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grub9after install Im getting can not find device error and getting kicked to grub_rescue> prompt01:04
uBUXUBuare u using IDE01:36
uBUXUBumight be a good idea to try this by booting from USB including live Ubuntu...01:40
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specklefor xubuntu 14.04 please change default text editor from mousepad to gedit :)04:28
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SonikkuAmericaspeckle: Why gedit?04:38
SonikkuAmerica(Furthermore, it's not like it isn't in the repos, you can install it yourself and ditch mousepad)04:39
speckleyeah, luckily it switched the default to gedit after I uninstalled mousepad :) that was nice04:39
speckleI'm mostly for XFCE compared to GNOME, but gedit is the one GNOME application I like04:40
speckleBecause it has tabs!04:40
SonikkuAmericaI'll agree that mousepad is pretty primitive, but when I need a plain text editor I nano04:40
speckleThe file manager has tabs and Firefox has tabs, and I think it's really hard to be reasonably productive without them.  I understand the lightweight philosophy of XFCE, but I consider them a very basic feature for something like a text editor.04:41
SonikkuAmericaSo does Chrome.04:42
speckleterminal-based text editors are probably too technical to be a default for any *ubuntu, heh04:42
SonikkuAmericaUm... nano comes with any *buntu these days.04:43
speckleI mean, the default when you double click on a file.04:43
SonikkuAmericaOh04:43
speckleSo yeah..04:49
us_0gbGedit has syntax highlighting.05:00
us_0gbHow can you live without syntax highlighting after having tried it? That's reason enough to switch to Gedit.05:01
Unit193mousepad has it as well, and generally speaking, gedit is overkill for a default editor.05:04
speckleI dunno, I feel like syntax highlighting is an advanced feature because it creeps into IDE territory05:04
speckletabs are important if you just want to have more than 1 thing open without cluttering your taskbar05:04
speckles/taskbar/panel/ ?05:04
us_0gbI've never thought of syntax highlighting as an advanced feature, but maybe you're right.05:09
speckleI just think of casual text editing use as saving/editing/loading up some random text that's *unrelated* to any programming or scripting language.05:10
us_0gbI use tabs on just about everything besides Thunar. I was exited to have tabs in Thunar when I installed the PPA (my distribution, Trisquel, uses an old version of Xfce that doesn't have tabs yet), but then I found I actually didn't find them as useful as I thought.05:11
specklemaybe gedit has overkill features, but they're don't get in the way of casual text editing unlike if you're using a full IDE.  Tabs, on the other hand..05:11
us_0gbI like tabs for text editing, but I could live without them.05:12
speckleI think file manager tabs become less important if you use the terminal a lot, because a lot of your filesystem locations are just open in the terminal.  Probably the same for the text editor, actually.05:12
us_0gbI use the command line for package management, but not much else.05:14
speckleAh, I see.  I used to use tabs in file managers a lot, but now I just use the terminal as my file manager and open tabs there :P05:15
us_0gbUsually when I need multiple locations in the file manager open, I'm moving files from one location to the other. Tabs are somehow mildly inconvenient for that.05:18
speckleYou have a good point.  Now I feel like tabs in a text editor are even more important than in a file manager :)05:19
KodachiGreetings anybody home?08:35
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xubuntu079hi10:21
xubuntu079i need help10:21
TheSheep!ask10:21
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience10:21
pjotterHello everybody. Iḿ o Xubuntu 12.04 and would like to upgrade evince 3.4.0 to the latest version. Does anybodu know how to do this? I tried some of the suggested PPA's but I alwasy get evince 3.4.0, no matter what I do.10:22
xubuntu079How I enter to the software center? I can see any button.10:23
xubuntu079*can't10:23
TheSheepxubuntu079: it should be in the 'applications' menu10:23
xubuntu079I can't see it, that's the problem10:24
pjotterMaybe it got hidden somehow? Try Menu->Settings->Main menu. SOftware center should be enabled in the root of the menu.10:25
Slesaxubuntu079: Or try out Alt+F2, type Software and hit the cursor down key. It should appear in the list then.10:28
pjotterMaybe it got removed from the system? Try this: Alt-F2 en type in: software-center <enter>10:28
xubuntu079Thank you!10:29
pjotterDid it work?10:29
xubuntu079Yeah!10:29
pjotterGreat10:29
xubuntu079Thanks a lot <310:29
pjotterNo problem10:30
npocTo4eJIoBeK1Hi all! Люди тут есть кто русскоговорящий, неужели нет трезвых сегодня людей?13:12
cfhowlett!ru13:12
ubottuПожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke.13:12
npocTo4eJIoBeK1ubuntu-ru don't work right now13:13
cfhowlettso ... English then?13:13
npocTo4eJIoBeK1so, I try to speak without brain-breaking mistakes13:17
cfhowlett:)13:17
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I would like get advice: how to install a file-server in home-network from a man, who did this already13:22
cfhowlettnpocTo4eJIoBeK1, come ask in #ubuntu  --- more people.  I don't know the answer.13:23
koegs!samba | npocTo4eJIoBeK113:24
ubottunpocTo4eJIoBeK1: Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html13:24
npocTo4eJIoBeK1difficulty is in the remote installation13:24
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I haven't any monitor for second pc13:25
koegsnpocTo4eJIoBeK1: then i would recommend installing "openssh-server" on the server and use ssh13:28
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I'll stay here in this chanel and try ask in #ubuntu too13:28
npocTo4eJIoBeK1ok, but i have little thing, that I don't understand: Any time then server starts it ask to login, haw can I solve this, autologin or something like that?13:31
npocTo4eJIoBeK1*how13:31
RoryHow can I remove the ctrl-F4 shortcut from being "switch to workspace 4"? I tried reducing the number of workspaces to 3, but the shortcut still remains and I can't find an option in either keyboard shortcuts, or workspace settings13:33
RoryI would like to do this becuase XFCE, like KDE, has this thing (papercut/bug IMO) where you can't use ctrl-f4 to close a tab in the browser because it's already mapped to workspace 413:33
TheSheepRory: settings -> window manager settings -> keyboard13:33
RoryThanks very much TheSheep :)13:34
TheSheepRory: also, you can use ztrl+w to close a tab13:34
TheSheepctrl+w13:34
GridCubeRory, ctrl-w is close tabs in most, if not all programs13:34
RoryOld habits die hard13:34
TheSheepGridCube: not all, ctrl+w should be 'delete current word'13:34
TheSheepGridCube: but someone imported the 'close the window' from windows :(13:34
GridCubenever heard of that feature13:35
TheSheepGridCube: and now there is no 'delete current word' shortcut13:35
GridCubemmhm13:35
TheSheepso you have to backspace like a retard13:35
koegsnpocTo4eJIoBeK1: why should a server "auto-login"? that is not needed13:36
GridCubeor ctrl-shift-←-del13:36
koegsnpocTo4eJIoBeK1: please keep the discussion here13:40
npocTo4eJIoBeK1sorry, I don't know how to answer in the public channel to single person13:44
ObrienDavenpocTo4eJIoBeK1, use TAB auto-complete13:44
Meerkathow big is the 13.04 -> 13.10 update?14:14
npocTo4eJIoBeK1in ubuntu nobody answered14:26
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I must grow up to 40-level or something like that)14:26
holsteinnpocTo4eJIoBeK1: you shouldnt need to autologin on a server.. most servers like that run headless.. what are you trying to accomplish?14:26
npocTo4eJIoBeK1When I Install server what should I do, when it ask to create a root and user?14:29
holsteinnpocTo4eJIoBeK1: ubuntu server?14:30
npocTo4eJIoBeK1yes14:31
holsteinnpocTo4eJIoBeK1: this is the xubuntu channel14:31
holstein!ubuntuserver14:31
holstein!server14:31
ubottuUbuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is !Precise (Precise Pangolin 12.04) - More info: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition - Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/C/ - Support in #ubuntu-server14:31
holsteinhttp://nixgeeks.com/how-to-enable-automatic-login-in-ubuntu-server/ states how to auto login in a server distro.. though, i wouldnt do that, and i dont think that is what you are asking14:32
npocTo4eJIoBeK1Oh my God!)14:33
holsteinnpocTo4eJIoBeK1: ?14:33
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I install server-version on pc whithout video-system14:34
holsteinnpocTo4eJIoBeK1: sure. headless14:34
npocTo4eJIoBeK1where is no video14:34
holsteinnpocTo4eJIoBeK1: correct.. no display.. headless14:34
npocTo4eJIoBeK1no displays14:34
holsteinnpocTo4eJIoBeK1: right.. i understand that14:34
npocTo4eJIoBeK1server-version old-desktopbox with file-server soft on it14:35
holsteinnpocTo4eJIoBeK1: sounds like a plan.. run what you like on it14:36
holsteini connect via ssh to mine14:36
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I dont know how it runs after start without any logins14:37
holsteinnpocTo4eJIoBeK1: it runs headless.. and you can connect from the network with ssh14:37
holstein!ssh14:37
ubottuSSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH for client usage. PuTTY is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. See also !scp (Secure CoPy) and !sshd (Secure SHell Daemon)14:37
holsteinnpocTo4eJIoBeK1: it boots, and runs as you have it configured.. no need to auto login14:37
npocTo4eJIoBeK1just a minute...14:38
npocTo4eJIoBeK1Do I understand correctly:14:42
npocTo4eJIoBeK1ssh make another PC force loading, even when it asks login?14:42
koegsnpocTo4eJIoBeK1: any of the "server functions" like file server will run without any user logged in14:45
koegsssh is just a way to "connect to your server via commandline" and then execute commands14:45
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I understand that it should whitout any logins, but I don't know what I must do for it14:47
npocTo4eJIoBeK1what I do wrong?14:47
koegswhat did you do?14:48
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I install ubuntu-server, then it ask to create root pass and user pass what should I do?14:49
koegsubuntu server asks for a root-password?14:50
npocTo4eJIoBeK1yes14:50
koegsi am pretty sure it does not14:51
ivantПривет, ПростоЧеловек)14:51
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I want to know way how to install or configure it without logins14:51
Sysi!ru | ivant14:51
ubottuivant: Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke.14:51
npocTo4eJIoBeK1Здарова14:51
npocTo4eJIoBeK1ivant не могу попасть на ubuntu-ru14:52
npocTo4eJIoBeK1Замучался иностранцам пояснять, что хочу14:52
ivanti am nooby too14:52
npocTo4eJIoBeK1sorry for russian14:53
ObrienDaveit's ok14:53
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I am in worse position russians linux-guru drinking or celebrate holydays14:56
npocTo4eJIoBeK1And my bad English don't take me connect better with non-russian speakers14:57
elfyyour bad english is whole lot better than my russian - don't worry, as long as people understand enough to answer questions :)14:57
ivantcool14:58
npocTo4eJIoBeK1If i defeat my server-configuration problems i'll write a solution for russion users14:59
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I learn English at school long time ago)14:59
ivantin ubuntu,  u must work on user rights and configure system as root15:00
npocTo4eJIoBeK1Linux documentation force me to learn english better15:00
ivantme too15:01
npocTo4eJIoBeK1i work whith ubuntu like user about 2 years15:01
ivantand Google Translate)15:01
ivantand week I15:02
tnwnsfi love russian translations into english.  defeat my server-configuration problems15:02
npocTo4eJIoBeK1google translate is bad grammar, if i use it it was a grammar-abracadabra from russian to english15:02
ivantIt helps to learn words15:03
tnwnsfi know, what are you trying to do15:03
npocTo4eJIoBeK1words... I know many on English, but it does not matter, if words in wrong places in sentence15:05
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I can understand English-speakers, can translate from English to Russian, but I can't correctly translate Russian to English15:07
koegsthe best way to learn english is to keep the general talking in #xubuntu-offtopic :)15:07
npocTo4eJIoBeK1sorry15:07
npocTo4eJIoBeK1i'll try to not do offtopics15:08
ivanti have problem with sound driver( after install XUbuntu15:09
ivanti am sorry to for offtopic15:10
KodachiGreetings anybody home?15:42
ObrienDavenope15:42
Kodachii'll take that as a yes15:42
npocTo4eJIoBeK1yes15:43
Kodachiare you really familiar xubuntu?15:44
Kodachii could use a few moments of help on something please15:46
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I am a xubuntu user over 1.5 years15:47
Kodachiok15:47
ObrienDave!ask | Kodachi15:47
ubottuKodachi: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience15:47
Kodachido you know a way to get open office to run?15:48
ObrienDaveKodachi, yes, I use LibreOffice. same thing basically15:49
Kodachi does it read  ms office documents?15:49
ObrienDaveyes15:49
ObrienDavewrites them also15:50
Kodachiok thanks you15:50
ObrienDavenp15:50
Kodachianother stupid question how do you remove open office frolm a computer? i didn't install it through  the software center15:54
ObrienDavesudo apt-get purge openoffice15:54
KodachiGreetings everybody17:43
ObrienDavewelcome back17:43
Kodachithank you17:43
Kodachiwould you happendto know how to get dvd playback to work on 13.10 64 bit? i got the standard suite of software needed vlc player restriced extras what am i missing?17:45
Kodachivlc gives me the error cannot open disc  VLC is unable to open the MRL 'dvd:///dev/dvd17:47
npocTo4eJIoBeK1you can't play video files from dvd or can't play it from menu17:47
npocTo4eJIoBeK1?17:47
Kodachino17:48
Kodachibut17:48
Kodachi i can see the dic open from desktop17:48
Kodachi but no play17:48
Kodachii get that error17:48
npocTo4eJIoBeK1what if try drag-n-drop 1 video file in VLC player?17:49
Kodachione moment17:49
KodachiLOL17:50
Kodachi that works17:50
npocTo4eJIoBeK1russian-style)17:50
Kodachiok17:50
ObrienDaverofl17:50
npocTo4eJIoBeK1)))17:50
Kodachi ok17:51
Kodachi thank you for your time17:51
npocTo4eJIoBeK1But seriously, everything should work as it should, it is a temporary way17:52
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I am not IT-man, just user17:52
ObrienDaveyes, i'm not sure why it would not open like normal. there is no RIGHT way. if it works, it works :)17:53
ObrienDaveKodachi, you still there?17:54
npocTo4eJIoBeK1No, it should works normal-way17:56
lduroshi, inside ~/.dmrc to load xubuntu-desktop instead of unity18:00
lduroswhat string do I have to put there?18:00
lduroscould someone take a look at their ~/.dmrc and tell me what they have?18:00
ldurosI'm trying to change the desktop remotely over ssh for someone18:00
ldurosthey have Session=ubuntu18:00
ldurosso maybe i need:18:01
ldurosSession=xubuntu18:01
ldurosor Session=xubuntu-desktop18:01
ldurosnot sure18:01
ldurosi'll try Session=xubuntu18:03
npocTo4eJIoBeK1We need to wean from crutches, everything in system should work fine & humanly  it is not Fedora)18:04
Kodachihello again everybody18:05
npocTo4eJIoBeK1Salam)18:05
Kodachianybody know why xubuntu does not automount a dvd when you put it in a drive?18:06
npocTo4eJIoBeK1 I noticed that xubuntu users willingly answer questions)18:07
Kodachiyes and i am very grateful18:08
npocTo4eJIoBeK1coz automount is not-unix way)18:08
Kodachi ok18:08
tiox1But so much easier.18:08
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Kodachiis there a way to get xubuntu to automount a dvd?18:09
npocTo4eJIoBeK1seriously, I don't know why)18:09
tioxIf you want mounting to be more Unix-like, use Fedora and type your password in every time you want to mount any filesystem. (Or edit Ubuntu's policy on it.) :P18:09
npocTo4eJIoBeK1but it is seriously unix-way18:09
tioxKodachi: DVDs should auto-mount because even in Fedora I can spin up a DVD in VLC no problem.18:10
Kodachi ok18:10
Kodachi thank you18:10
tiox(After I add ATrpms to get libdvdcss2 anyway)18:11
npocTo4eJIoBeK1(autorun) this is the way of the ancient times, when the terrible virus could infect from flash drive or cd18:12
tioxNow for the reason I came in here; Does anyone know of a guide I'm not privy to that teaches installation of Compiz in XFCE on Debian systems?18:12
tioxXubuntu fits the bill, and COmpiz isn't installed by default so I assume it's a relatively fresher start than on Ubuntu.18:13
tiox(Earlier I tried using Debian's Squeeze repo to install it, by no means fun.)18:14
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I want install compiz?18:15
npocTo4eJIoBeK1sek18:15
npocTo4eJIoBeK1Do you want install compiz or what&18:15
npocTo4eJIoBeK1?18:15
tioxYes, I would like to have Compiz, but not the half-assed C++ implementation 0.9 had become.18:16
tioxI can easily type in sudo apt-get install compiz [etc.] and get that.18:16
tioxThe most recent "Stable" build for modern systems is 0.8.9, compatible with MATE thanks to the likes of MATE forum's Nice&Gently but that's out of reach and 0.8.8 is the more notable stable build.18:17
ldurosso is ~/.dcrm still used?18:17
lduros~/.dmrc rather?18:18
npocTo4eJIoBeK1Is in xubuntu repos different compiz then ubuntu?18:18
tioxNo.18:18
tioxThe on;y difference is that you have to use xubuntu-specific packages for some things, but all Ubuntu systems carry the same base.18:19
tioxxubuntu / XFCE-specific rather.18:19
npocTo4eJIoBeK1If you install it by apt-get it installed not correctly?18:20
tioxI will say though, refer to Webupd8 if you want quick-and-dirty configuration informtion on fixing the sound issue it has.18:20
tioxIf you install via apt-get, I believe XFCE will request configuration by the end-user.18:20
tioxYou might screw that process up, but if you installed MATE before it should be no harder than that.18:21
tioxKDE, Elementary, etc.18:21
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I suppose, if after the mate works fine, it maybe so case could be that there are some components of the GNOME18:25
npocTo4eJIoBeK1sorry for my English, I hope you understand me18:27
tioxGNOME and MATE kind of go hand-in-hand, the only real aim of MATE is to prodice a workable traditional environment that is still up to snuff with GTK3. It's more than a GNOME-Shell hack, it's a re-implementation fo GNOME 2 that functions with GTK3 / GSettings.18:29
tioxof GNOME 2*18:29
tiox(Which, gsettings function with dconf-editor)18:30
npocTo4eJIoBeK1Are U PR-manager of MATE?)18:31
tioxI am not, just a user of many things.18:31
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I was just a user of everything that students make, XFCE for REAL-Man)18:33
tioxThe aim of XFCE was to produce an environment using XForms / CDE, but after XForms became obsolete, XFCE simply became yet another GTK2 environment.18:33
npocTo4eJIoBeK1And its great)18:34
tioxBy all means. For some time, Linus' favored desktop environment.18:34
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I don't want some pieces of my DE lying down after each update18:36
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I am not Linus18:36
tioxIt's not that some pieces of your DE lay down, it's that you lay down.18:36
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I want DE works18:37
tioxIf you can isolate issues with naming conflicts and stuff of that nature, you can very easily rename files and modify configuration files, even recompile programs if you had the experience to.18:37
tioxThe main goal of Ubuntu and related projects is to minimize the end-user's need to compile to produce an easy and marketable environment. The latter of that being more arguable.18:38
npocTo4eJIoBeK1Linus was OpenSUSE user, and It is "his precious" like KDE)))18:40
tiox(As of recent anyway -- I was ready to give My heart to Ubuntu before Shuttleworth became an idiot and didn't at least try to halt GTK3 adoption and GTK2's subsequent abandonment until everything was "Just right")18:40
npocTo4eJIoBeK1And it is great then all works fine from start button)18:41
tioxYeah, until you try to modify it, then things get broken. In the old days things were less integrated, ergo less chance of getting broken.18:42
npocTo4eJIoBeK1Mark want to be a King)18:43
tioxI'm not going to argue the ease of use when keeping it stock though, but I will argue that Linus prefers OpenSuSE because it uses RPM, which is linux standard base for software distribution.18:43
npocTo4eJIoBeK1Coolar than Jobs18:43
npocTo4eJIoBeK1RPM is child of RedHat)18:44
tioxShuttleworth became lame. He's not even CEO of Canonical anymore.18:45
npocTo4eJIoBeK1Debian more GNU-system than RPM-based systems)18:45
tioxHuh. I thought the GNU project came along after Linus made Linux what it was. GNU Project and FSF wouldn't exist if Linux had a price tag like MINIX did.18:46
npocTo4eJIoBeK1and aptitude is a great thing18:46
Unit193!ot18:47
ubottu#xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!18:47
tioxKnow your history; Debian came about because Ian Murdock wanted to make an easier-to-use Linux system -- Something his girlfriend could get into without much fuss.18:48
npocTo4eJIoBeK1thanks, holywars is Linus-things)18:50
tioxSome can say He succeeded. But with the way Debian had become, with its "Free software only" philosophy, it's in actuality harder off the start to use Debian than a system with broader hardware support like Ubuntu, that doesn't care if the software behind the hardware is "Free".18:51
tioxI am in no holy war. You're spouting silliness.18:51
Unit193tiox, npocTo4eJIoBeK1: This is the support channel, please chat in another one (#ubuntu-offtopic, #xubuntu-offtopic)18:51
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I use Debian on My Desktop PC and my Laptop with XFCE and it works betters than Ubuntu)18:53
npocTo4eJIoBeK1Ubuntu at my office-work18:53
tioxSorry Unit193; I came here to see if anyone knew anything more about installing Compiz in XFCE / Xubuntu and this guy showed up with broken English telling us what is better and speaking things without really looking stuff up.18:53
npocTo4eJIoBeK1)18:54
npocTo4eJIoBeK1Sorry, but who start PR company?)18:54
tioxCompiz 0.8.8 rather.18:54
tioxI am no part of any public relations, I am just mentioning the end goals of everything you are talking about.18:55
Unit193tiox: Compiz "isn't supported" on Xubuntu, have you looked at Compton though?18:55
tioxIt's more than effects I am looking for Unit.18:55
Unit193(Compiz is rather unmaintained, you can in theory get it to work, but not quit.)18:55
Unit193Cool, what you looking for?18:55
npocTo4eJIoBeK1if you asked about XFCE keep way of question, don't tell MATE works better or something like that)18:56
tioxI'm looking to have the flashy, yet functional desktop I had back in Compiz 11.x, when DockbarX and Avant Window Navigator meant something to people.18:56
Unit193npocTo4eJIoBeK1: Please keep the offtopic somewhere else.18:56
tioxUbuntu 11.x rather.18:56
tioxYou know, all the "Cool stuff" before GNOME 3 / GNOME-Shell and Unity came along.18:57
npocTo4eJIoBeK1Sorry, it was stupid to give meal18:57
Unit193Hmm, alright.18:58
tioxI am going to veer quite a bit OT saying this, but if Ubuntu was really a "Community OS" by the people, and if Ubuntu really cared about using community-available software, it would have not made Unity, and instead worked on supporting what was popular (or at least well-known) at the time.\18:59
tioxYou know, stuff like Docky, DockbarX, Avant Window Navigator, people wanted all the cool stuff that came with Compiz 0.8, so when making COmpiz 0.9 reverse-compatiblity should have been the focus, etc.19:00
tioxI am pretty damn sure Canonical could have made an AWN plugin that did the same thing as the dash button in Unity.19:01
Unit193But that doesn't help here.  I'd look at compton, though I'm pretty sure it doesn't do what you want.  As far as other compositors?  All depends on your luck I suppose, at least when it comes to compiz.19:02
tioxFair enough. I should just give up and submit to KDE / KWin at some point.19:03
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I am afraid Evil-moderater will cast banhammer for the great justice!19:04
tioxlol19:06
tioxWell, just so people know where I am coming from, I am literally a product of OMG Ubutu! and Webupd8.19:07
tioxOMG Ubuntu!*19:07
tioxI mean, My Ubuntu usability experience was based on what those two places posted.19:07
tioxThat and Compiz / GTK2 was "The thing" 2005 and up until 0.9 came out and broke everything.19:08
npocTo4eJIoBeK1U are Great man write more cool info, nobody knows true staff19:10
tioxnpocTo4eJIoBeK1: I stopped feeding the troll long ago. I want information and I got it. No use complaining in an OT channel because the natural evolution is to go away from what mate Linux a thing in the first place to many twenny-bopper Windows users.19:38
tioxtweeny-bopper*19:38
tioxWow, typos everywhere. That's how mad I actually am about it. :P19:39
speckleI think xubuntu is the best distro for people new to Linux, since it doesn't have the quirkiness of regular ubuntu or kubuntu19:48
speckleBut if you want flashy, maybe OpenSUSE is better since KDE is better than GNOME now, and it integrates the best with KDE19:48
speckleI appreciate Ubuntu's newbie-friendliness compared to most other distros, but in the end I got Xubuntu because it gets rid of some of the quirks while keeping most of the user-friendliness :) Obviously Canonical has their own goals, I'm just happy they made a "Debian easy mode"19:53
tiox1Right.19:53
speckleMint has its own issues, like not being able to do a major upgrade without having a separate boot partition, which you can't expect new users to always have19:53
tiox1No, but you can always expect users to have a USB drive and unetbootin on hand.19:54
speckleI don't even know what unetbootin is without googling it first :P19:54
bazhangusb-creator has a similar function speckle19:55
bazhangwrite an iso to usb for installation19:55
SysiI don't know if I prefer kde or gnome anymore, but xfce does everything I need, usually nicely19:56
specklehonestly though, I feel like 13.10 was a step backwards - it broke several things without any noticeable improvements. Both in Xubuntu-specific things and Ubuntu itself19:57
specklethere are open bugs about those things, so I'm worried whether xubuntu is dying19:58
tiox1Now all the people at NCHC have to do is to make Clonezilla as easy to use for backing up Linux partitions as it is for Windows partitions and poeple would have no trouble.19:58
bazhangyou can stick with what works for you now, even try 14.04 in roughly 3 mos time19:58
tiox1people*19:58
specklethe biggest problems with backups is not utilities but drive speeds, IMO20:00
specklethen again you could just set it over night I suppose20:00
tiox1speckle: Yep.20:02
tiox1Or, you can start off with a small system, then grow the partition out after you're done.20:02
tiox1That's what I did with Windows. Start out with 50GB, fill it out later.20:03
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I am afraid ubuntu will go away from other DE with new MIR20:05
npocTo4eJIoBeK1Then how ubuntu might take XFCE?20:07
bekksMIR isnt a DE.20:07
npocTo4eJIoBeK1I know20:07
bazhangnpocTo4eJIoBeK1, did you have an actual support issue?20:07
bazhangnpocTo4eJIoBeK1, this channel is for support not chit chat, try #xubuntu-offtopic20:08
npocTo4eJIoBeK1OK, i understand, but tell it anyothers)20:10
tiox1speckle: Drive speed is less an issue these days with USB3, but it still would take a full workday to back up someone's PC, or rather, a full night's sleep. :P20:11
tiox1Provided you keep the partition at least 100GB backing that up and using the rest for ~ might be more beneficial if you want to do system image backups.20:11
tiox1You know, as I do.20:11
speckleyeah, I guess users have to be proactive about organizing their files, and there's only so easy software can make that20:12
specklethat's probably why cloud services are so popular, heh20:12
tiox1Because people don't actually have to care about organizing their files? :P20:13
speckleto a point, yeah20:13
tiox1Here, I am going to post something on Pastebin, about how I set up my system. This assumes Windows but can also be used for Linux setup.20:16
speckleWindows??!20:16
tiox1M = Make, CP = Copy, http://pastebin.com/QiaNLFy820:16
npocTo4eJIoBeK1how to make icons of unmount partitions not displayed with mount devices (like flashdrive) on table?20:17
tiox1Yeah, I use Windows because games and shit.20:17
tiox1Also, ~ = ~~, or equal approximate.20:17
speckleplayonlinux works better for older games :)20:17
tiox1I gt a bit lazy toward the end, I should mean to have said make per-month image backups of SDA120:19
tiox1But makes sense to me.20:19
tiox1Also, crap, messed it up a bit -- There;s some talk about SDA7 in there, wrong -- I thought I could make two extended partitions.20:19
tiox1Seems not, but I can make three primary = 1 extened for my Fat16 partitions with other backup stuff.20:20
specklethanks, I'll think about adopting some of those practices20:23
tiox1Just touching it up so it makes actual sense after my revelation about extended partitions.20:24
tiox1The only rreason I would make partitions to backup drives first then copy is to guarantee 1:1 backup not needing a larger partition to make 1:1 file backups with. It's less relevant to do for places where you'll keep images, but when the images get large enough, the extra space will be appreciable.20:26
tiox1Here we go, the version that should make more sense; http://pastebin.com/2q0tRqXJ20:26
specklecool, thanks20:27
tiox1speckle: I got called away, but you don't even need those two FAT16 partitions, I could get away with making the Windows install backup an NTFS partition but I don't want to somehow set that as boot by accident. I am all about the paranoia.20:54
speckleah, I see20:55
tiox1And maybe the other Fat16 partition could be a Fat32 partition and be copied to CD instead, but I keep it to Fat16 because of the hard 4GB limit.20:55
tiox1It's predictable.20:55
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speckleWhere do I report packages that are missing important files?21:51
TheSheep!bugs | speckle21:51
ubottuspeckle: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.21:51
specklethanks!21:52
speckleahhh, I have to create an account and everything, I can't just post it21:54
speckleoh well21:54
xubuntu279Hello22:27
xubuntu279I need help.22:27
xubuntu279Please, help me, annyone?22:27
xubuntu279I'm using Xubuntu 13.10.22:27
bekks!ask | xubuntu27922:28
ubottuxubuntu279: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience22:28
xubuntu279I've installed Xubuntu 13.10, I'm getting random "System Program Problem", it's annoying, I'm trying to make a USB install to Ubuntu, but ALL SOFTWARES crashes everytime here, my Windows 8.1 also isn't shown at Grub, I need help into that.22:30
xubuntu279All softwares crashes while creating USB Bootable disk, this is only happening into this glitchy Xubuntu, never happened at Ubuntu or Windows.22:30
xubuntu279Also I can't get to AMD Catalyst Control Center, it shows the same "System Program Problem" error.22:31
xubuntu279Almost everything at everytime shows as "System Program Problem" error, it's a fresh install.22:31
xubuntu279Trying to create the bootable USB to install Ubuntu again, hope is doesn't crash this time, it's the 6th try.22:35
xubuntu279Since Xubuntu Grub destroyed everything I'm trying to to this now.22:36
xubuntu279And it simply corrupted one of my hard disks while these random crazy crashes, more than U$10,000.00 worth files damaged.22:36
xubuntu279Wow, crashed again22:36
xubuntu279This is the shittiest OS ever.22:37
bekksToo long, didnt read.22:37
bekksKeep your actual question in one sentence please.22:37
xubuntu279my actual question is the first and it's in one sentence22:37
xubuntu279no one answered.22:37
xubuntu279again:22:37
xubuntu279I've installed Xubuntu 13.10, I'm getting random "System Program Problem", it's annoying, I'm trying to make a USB install to Ubuntu, but ALL SOFTWARES crashes everytime here, my Windows 8.1 also isn't shown at Grub, I need help into that.22:37
tioxxubuntu279: Does it happen with Ubuntu? How about Linux Mint?22:37
xubuntu279No, only in this Xubuntu.22:38
bekksI dont see a single question until now.22:38
xubuntu279I've done fine at Linux Mint too, but I'm trying different distros.22:38
bekksHowever, I am out.22:38
xubuntu279Tried Xubuntu and it's destroyed everything.22:38
tioxxubuntu's a bit on the buggy side yes, but being destructive? I don't know about that.22:39
xubuntu279Ok bekks, how can I mount a bootable USB to install Linux since Xubuntu crashes at every 20 seconds?22:39
tioxThe worse I have seen is sound not working off thre bat, which had been covered for users to fix.22:39
xubuntu279Can you help me?22:39
bekksCreate a bootable USB, which doesnt require mounting.22:39
xubuntu279I'm just trying to mount but the file manager crashes too, terminal crashes, tried to install Nautilus then it crashed too.22:39
xubuntu279bekks, I can't copy files since terminal or file managers crashes.22:40
xubuntu279That "System Program Problem".22:40
tioxsudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install unetbootin && sudo unetbootin22:40
bekksUSe a terminal and use "dd" to transfer the file to the USB.22:40
xubuntu279Already tried this tiox and bekks.22:40
xubuntu279Both solutions.22:40
bekksAnd?22:40
xubuntu279"System Program Problem"22:40
xubuntu279The same crash.22:40
tiox /_\22:40
xubuntu279Then the app close.22:40
bekksWhich app?22:41
xubuntu279Terminal22:41
xubuntu279And UnetBootin22:41
xubuntu279Tried usb-creator-gtk too.22:41
bekksUse ctrl alt f1 to get to a TTY.22:41
bekksIt will not abort like that.22:41
xubuntu279Then use the dd copy?22:41
bekksYes.22:41
xubuntu279Never used ctrl+alt+F1, there's a step by step using the command into this ctrl+alt+f1 screen?22:42
xubuntu279I mean, the copy dd command.22:42
bekksdd if=/the/full/path/to/the/ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX    where sdX represents your USB.22:42
bekksAnd be carefull, it will overwrite alll content on the USB without asking you. And ensure you are using the correct device.22:43
tioxSpeaking of such, I'm doing dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M to wipe a USB drive giving me problems in Windows.22:43
xubuntu279Ok, I can use cd command there and check if it's correct, ok?22:43
tioxxubuntu: dd is VERY unforgiving. Not recommended for novice users without some information of what they are doing.22:44
xubuntu279If it's the correct sdX, right?22:44
bekksxubuntu279: Windows has no dd.22:44
tioxbekks: Unless one were to install cygwin. :P22:44
bekkstiox: As a novice user? :P22:45
xubuntu279Yes, but isn't the case right here, I'll try using Ctrl+ALt+F1.22:45
tioxEven still, I say no to DD unless I'm doing a drive format, of which I can destory things real easy with dd. :P22:45
xubuntu279I'll cd the sdX to check if it's the correct USB device22:45
tioxJust do dmesg after plugging rhe drive in.22:45
bekksThats not going to work.22:45
bekksxubuntu279: you cannot cd into /dev/sdX22:45
bekksxubuntu279: you would have to mount the content, to see whats in there.22:45
xubuntu279cd /dev/sd(number)?22:45
xubuntu279mount command?22:46
tioxNo, but he can udisks --mount /ev/sdXn and browse to wherever it ends up in /media22:46
xubuntu279Ok.22:46
tiox...22:46
xubuntu279Thanks for the help guys.22:46
xubuntu279I'll try it.22:46
tioxudisks --mount /dev/sdXn, example, udisks --mount /dev/sda122:46
xubuntu279Got it.22:46
tioxBut...22:46
tioxYou have to sudo apt-get install udisks to do that first becaue xubuntu doesn't even come with that.22:46
bekksunmount it before using dd :)22:46
tioxDon't ask why,22:47
xubuntu279Ok.22:47
xubuntu279Thanks.22:47
tioxI guess, no perceived need for udisks when XFCE handles mounting just fine normally.22:47
brainwashnewer versions of xubuntu ship with udisks222:51
xubuntu650Thanks for the help bekks and tiox, solved here, succesfully mount Ubuntu Installer USB.22:53
xubuntu650Using Ctrl+Alt+F122:53
xubuntu650Didn't crashed.22:54
tioxudisks2? I should look into that. So it's udisks2 --mout?22:55
tioxmount*22:55
xubuntu650Yes.22:55
xubuntu650Like bekks said.22:55
xubuntu650Worked like a charm, now I gtg guys, thanks again.22:55
xubuntu650Cya.22:55
tioxBye.22:56
tioxGlad we could help.22:56
patrickdFolks, is there anyway to enable sound when running xubuntu in virtualbox ?22:58
tioxThe same way you enable sound normally, by modifying the service file. I'll fetch it.22:58
tioxhttp://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/xubuntu-1310-sound-indicator-fix.html22:59
brainwashtiox: udisks2 installs udisksctl, see "man udisksctl"22:59
patrickdtiox, Thanks for the link, this is the first time I've come across the sound icon not working out of the box that wasn't caused by missing drivers or the silly muted by default option.23:04
tioxWelcome patrickd23:07
tioxbrainwash: I am in Windows at the moment, but could it be fair to say I could do alias udisks=udisksctl in ~/.bash-aliases and expect it to work just the same?23:08

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