[01:04] <grub9> after install Im getting can not find device error and getting kicked to grub_rescue> prompt
[01:36] <uBUXUBu> are u using IDE
[01:40] <uBUXUBu> might be a good idea to try this by booting from USB including live Ubuntu...
[04:28] <speckle> for xubuntu 14.04 please change default text editor from mousepad to gedit :)
[04:38] <SonikkuAmerica> speckle: Why gedit?
[04:39] <SonikkuAmerica> (Furthermore, it's not like it isn't in the repos, you can install it yourself and ditch mousepad)
[04:39] <speckle> yeah, luckily it switched the default to gedit after I uninstalled mousepad :) that was nice
[04:40] <speckle> I'm mostly for XFCE compared to GNOME, but gedit is the one GNOME application I like
[04:40] <speckle> Because it has tabs!
[04:40] <SonikkuAmerica> I'll agree that mousepad is pretty primitive, but when I need a plain text editor I nano
[04:41] <speckle> The file manager has tabs and Firefox has tabs, and I think it's really hard to be reasonably productive without them.  I understand the lightweight philosophy of XFCE, but I consider them a very basic feature for something like a text editor.
[04:42] <SonikkuAmerica> So does Chrome.
[04:42] <speckle> terminal-based text editors are probably too technical to be a default for any *ubuntu, heh
[04:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Um... nano comes with any *buntu these days.
[04:43] <speckle> I mean, the default when you double click on a file.
[04:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh
[04:49] <speckle> So yeah..
[05:00] <us_0gb> Gedit has syntax highlighting.
[05:01] <us_0gb> How can you live without syntax highlighting after having tried it? That's reason enough to switch to Gedit.
[05:04] <Unit193> mousepad has it as well, and generally speaking, gedit is overkill for a default editor.
[05:04] <speckle> I dunno, I feel like syntax highlighting is an advanced feature because it creeps into IDE territory
[05:04] <speckle> tabs are important if you just want to have more than 1 thing open without cluttering your taskbar
[05:04] <speckle> s/taskbar/panel/ ?
[05:09] <us_0gb> I've never thought of syntax highlighting as an advanced feature, but maybe you're right.
[05:10] <speckle> I just think of casual text editing use as saving/editing/loading up some random text that's *unrelated* to any programming or scripting language.
[05:11] <us_0gb> I use tabs on just about everything besides Thunar. I was exited to have tabs in Thunar when I installed the PPA (my distribution, Trisquel, uses an old version of Xfce that doesn't have tabs yet), but then I found I actually didn't find them as useful as I thought.
[05:11] <speckle> maybe gedit has overkill features, but they're don't get in the way of casual text editing unlike if you're using a full IDE.  Tabs, on the other hand..
[05:12] <us_0gb> I like tabs for text editing, but I could live without them.
[05:12] <speckle> I think file manager tabs become less important if you use the terminal a lot, because a lot of your filesystem locations are just open in the terminal.  Probably the same for the text editor, actually.
[05:14] <us_0gb> I use the command line for package management, but not much else.
[05:15] <speckle> Ah, I see.  I used to use tabs in file managers a lot, but now I just use the terminal as my file manager and open tabs there :P
[05:18] <us_0gb> Usually when I need multiple locations in the file manager open, I'm moving files from one location to the other. Tabs are somehow mildly inconvenient for that.
[05:19] <speckle> You have a good point.  Now I feel like tabs in a text editor are even more important than in a file manager :)
[08:35] <Kodachi> Greetings anybody home?
[10:21] <xubuntu079> hi
[10:21] <xubuntu079> i need help
[10:21] <TheSheep> !ask
[10:22] <pjotter> Hello everybody. Iḿ o Xubuntu 12.04 and would like to upgrade evince 3.4.0 to the latest version. Does anybodu know how to do this? I tried some of the suggested PPA's but I alwasy get evince 3.4.0, no matter what I do.
[10:23] <xubuntu079> How I enter to the software center? I can see any button.
[10:23] <xubuntu079> *can't
[10:23] <TheSheep> xubuntu079: it should be in the 'applications' menu
[10:24] <xubuntu079> I can't see it, that's the problem
[10:25] <pjotter> Maybe it got hidden somehow? Try Menu->Settings->Main menu. SOftware center should be enabled in the root of the menu.
[10:28] <Slesa> xubuntu079: Or try out Alt+F2, type Software and hit the cursor down key. It should appear in the list then.
[10:28] <pjotter> Maybe it got removed from the system? Try this: Alt-F2 en type in: software-center <enter>
[10:29] <xubuntu079> Thank you!
[10:29] <pjotter> Did it work?
[10:29] <xubuntu079> Yeah!
[10:29] <pjotter> Great
[10:29] <xubuntu079> Thanks a lot <3
[10:30] <pjotter> No problem
[13:12] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Hi all! Люди тут есть кто русскоговорящий, неужели нет трезвых сегодня людей?
[13:12] <cfhowlett> !ru
[13:13] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> ubuntu-ru don't work right now
[13:13] <cfhowlett> so ... English then?
[13:17] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> so, I try to speak without brain-breaking mistakes
[13:17] <cfhowlett> :)
[13:22] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I would like get advice: how to install a file-server in home-network from a man, who did this already
[13:23] <cfhowlett> npocTo4eJIoBeK1, come ask in #ubuntu  --- more people.  I don't know the answer.
[13:24] <koegs> !samba | npocTo4eJIoBeK1
[13:24] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> difficulty is in the remote installation
[13:25] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I haven't any monitor for second pc
[13:28] <koegs> npocTo4eJIoBeK1: then i would recommend installing "openssh-server" on the server and use ssh
[13:28] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I'll stay here in this chanel and try ask in #ubuntu too
[13:31] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> ok, but i have little thing, that I don't understand: Any time then server starts it ask to login, haw can I solve this, autologin or something like that?
[13:31] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> *how
[13:33] <Rory> How can I remove the ctrl-F4 shortcut from being "switch to workspace 4"? I tried reducing the number of workspaces to 3, but the shortcut still remains and I can't find an option in either keyboard shortcuts, or workspace settings
[13:33] <Rory> I would like to do this becuase XFCE, like KDE, has this thing (papercut/bug IMO) where you can't use ctrl-f4 to close a tab in the browser because it's already mapped to workspace 4
[13:33] <TheSheep> Rory: settings -> window manager settings -> keyboard
[13:34] <Rory> Thanks very much TheSheep :)
[13:34] <TheSheep> Rory: also, you can use ztrl+w to close a tab
[13:34] <TheSheep> ctrl+w
[13:34] <GridCube> Rory, ctrl-w is close tabs in most, if not all programs
[13:34] <Rory> Old habits die hard
[13:34] <TheSheep> GridCube: not all, ctrl+w should be 'delete current word'
[13:34] <TheSheep> GridCube: but someone imported the 'close the window' from windows :(
[13:35] <GridCube> never heard of that feature
[13:35] <TheSheep> GridCube: and now there is no 'delete current word' shortcut
[13:35] <GridCube> mmhm
[13:35] <TheSheep> so you have to backspace like a retard
[13:36] <koegs> npocTo4eJIoBeK1: why should a server "auto-login"? that is not needed
[13:36] <GridCube> or ctrl-shift-←-del
[13:40] <koegs> npocTo4eJIoBeK1: please keep the discussion here
[13:44] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> sorry, I don't know how to answer in the public channel to single person
[13:44] <ObrienDave> npocTo4eJIoBeK1, use TAB auto-complete
[14:14] <Meerkat> how big is the 13.04 -> 13.10 update?
[14:26] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> in ubuntu nobody answered
[14:26] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I must grow up to 40-level or something like that)
[14:26] <holstein> npocTo4eJIoBeK1: you shouldnt need to autologin on a server.. most servers like that run headless.. what are you trying to accomplish?
[14:29] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> When I Install server what should I do, when it ask to create a root and user?
[14:30] <holstein> npocTo4eJIoBeK1: ubuntu server?
[14:31] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> yes
[14:31] <holstein> npocTo4eJIoBeK1: this is the xubuntu channel
[14:31] <holstein> !ubuntuserver
[14:31] <holstein> !server
[14:32] <holstein> http://nixgeeks.com/how-to-enable-automatic-login-in-ubuntu-server/ states how to auto login in a server distro.. though, i wouldnt do that, and i dont think that is what you are asking
[14:33] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Oh my God!)
[14:33] <holstein> npocTo4eJIoBeK1: ?
[14:34] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I install server-version on pc whithout video-system
[14:34] <holstein> npocTo4eJIoBeK1: sure. headless
[14:34] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> where is no video
[14:34] <holstein> npocTo4eJIoBeK1: correct.. no display.. headless
[14:34] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> no displays
[14:34] <holstein> npocTo4eJIoBeK1: right.. i understand that
[14:35] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> server-version old-desktopbox with file-server soft on it
[14:36] <holstein> npocTo4eJIoBeK1: sounds like a plan.. run what you like on it
[14:36] <holstein> i connect via ssh to mine
[14:37] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I dont know how it runs after start without any logins
[14:37] <holstein> npocTo4eJIoBeK1: it runs headless.. and you can connect from the network with ssh
[14:37] <holstein> !ssh
[14:37] <holstein> npocTo4eJIoBeK1: it boots, and runs as you have it configured.. no need to auto login
[14:38] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> just a minute...
[14:42] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Do I understand correctly:
[14:42] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> ssh make another PC force loading, even when it asks login?
[14:45] <koegs> npocTo4eJIoBeK1: any of the "server functions" like file server will run without any user logged in
[14:45] <koegs> ssh is just a way to "connect to your server via commandline" and then execute commands
[14:47] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I understand that it should whitout any logins, but I don't know what I must do for it
[14:47] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> what I do wrong?
[14:48] <koegs> what did you do?
[14:49] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I install ubuntu-server, then it ask to create root pass and user pass what should I do?
[14:50] <koegs> ubuntu server asks for a root-password?
[14:50] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> yes
[14:51] <koegs> i am pretty sure it does not
[14:51] <ivant> Привет, ПростоЧеловек)
[14:51] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I want to know way how to install or configure it without logins
[14:51] <Sysi> !ru | ivant
[14:51] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Здарова
[14:52] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> ivant не могу попасть на ubuntu-ru
[14:52] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Замучался иностранцам пояснять, что хочу
[14:52] <ivant> i am nooby too
[14:53] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> sorry for russian
[14:53] <ObrienDave> it's ok
[14:56] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I am in worse position russians linux-guru drinking or celebrate holydays
[14:57] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> And my bad English don't take me connect better with non-russian speakers
[14:57] <elfy> your bad english is whole lot better than my russian - don't worry, as long as people understand enough to answer questions :)
[14:58] <ivant> cool
[14:59] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> If i defeat my server-configuration problems i'll write a solution for russion users
[14:59] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I learn English at school long time ago)
[15:00] <ivant> in ubuntu,  u must work on user rights and configure system as root
[15:00] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Linux documentation force me to learn english better
[15:01] <ivant> me too
[15:01] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> i work whith ubuntu like user about 2 years
[15:01] <ivant> and Google Translate)
[15:02] <ivant> and week I
[15:02] <tnwnsf> i love russian translations into english.  defeat my server-configuration problems
[15:02] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> google translate is bad grammar, if i use it it was a grammar-abracadabra from russian to english
[15:03] <ivant> It helps to learn words
[15:03] <tnwnsf> i know, what are you trying to do
[15:05] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> words... I know many on English, but it does not matter, if words in wrong places in sentence
[15:07] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I can understand English-speakers, can translate from English to Russian, but I can't correctly translate Russian to English
[15:07] <koegs> the best way to learn english is to keep the general talking in #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[15:07] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> sorry
[15:08] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> i'll try to not do offtopics
[15:09] <ivant> i have problem with sound driver( after install XUbuntu
[15:10] <ivant> i am sorry to for offtopic
[15:42] <Kodachi> Greetings anybody home?
[15:42] <ObrienDave> nope
[15:42] <Kodachi> i'll take that as a yes
[15:43] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> yes
[15:44] <Kodachi> are you really familiar xubuntu?
[15:46] <Kodachi> i could use a few moments of help on something please
[15:47] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I am a xubuntu user over 1.5 years
[15:47] <Kodachi> ok
[15:47] <ObrienDave> !ask | Kodachi
[15:48] <Kodachi> do you know a way to get open office to run?
[15:49] <ObrienDave> Kodachi, yes, I use LibreOffice. same thing basically
[15:49] <Kodachi>  does it read  ms office documents?
[15:49] <ObrienDave> yes
[15:50] <ObrienDave> writes them also
[15:50] <Kodachi> ok thanks you
[15:50] <ObrienDave> np
[15:54] <Kodachi> another stupid question how do you remove open office frolm a computer? i didn't install it through  the software center
[15:54] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get purge openoffice
[17:43] <Kodachi> Greetings everybody
[17:43] <ObrienDave> welcome back
[17:43] <Kodachi> thank you
[17:45] <Kodachi> would you happendto know how to get dvd playback to work on 13.10 64 bit? i got the standard suite of software needed vlc player restriced extras what am i missing?
[17:47] <Kodachi> vlc gives me the error cannot open disc  VLC is unable to open the MRL 'dvd:///dev/dvd
[17:47] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> you can't play video files from dvd or can't play it from menu
[17:47] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> ?
[17:48] <Kodachi> no
[17:48] <Kodachi> but
[17:48] <Kodachi>  i can see the dic open from desktop
[17:48] <Kodachi>  but no play
[17:48] <Kodachi> i get that error
[17:49] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> what if try drag-n-drop 1 video file in VLC player?
[17:49] <Kodachi> one moment
[17:50] <Kodachi> LOL
[17:50] <Kodachi>  that works
[17:50] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> russian-style)
[17:50] <Kodachi> ok
[17:50] <ObrienDave> rofl
[17:50] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> )))
[17:51] <Kodachi>  ok
[17:51] <Kodachi>  thank you for your time
[17:52] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> But seriously, everything should work as it should, it is a temporary way
[17:52] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I am not IT-man, just user
[17:53] <ObrienDave> yes, i'm not sure why it would not open like normal. there is no RIGHT way. if it works, it works :)
[17:54] <ObrienDave> Kodachi, you still there?
[17:56] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> No, it should works normal-way
[18:00] <lduros> hi, inside ~/.dmrc to load xubuntu-desktop instead of unity
[18:00] <lduros> what string do I have to put there?
[18:00] <lduros> could someone take a look at their ~/.dmrc and tell me what they have?
[18:00] <lduros> I'm trying to change the desktop remotely over ssh for someone
[18:00] <lduros> they have Session=ubuntu
[18:01] <lduros> so maybe i need:
[18:01] <lduros> Session=xubuntu
[18:01] <lduros> or Session=xubuntu-desktop
[18:01] <lduros> not sure
[18:03] <lduros> i'll try Session=xubuntu
[18:04] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> We need to wean from crutches, everything in system should work fine & humanly  it is not Fedora)
[18:05] <Kodachi> hello again everybody
[18:05] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Salam)
[18:06] <Kodachi> anybody know why xubuntu does not automount a dvd when you put it in a drive?
[18:07] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1>  I noticed that xubuntu users willingly answer questions)
[18:08] <Kodachi> yes and i am very grateful
[18:08] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> coz automount is not-unix way)
[18:08] <Kodachi>  ok
[18:08] <tiox1> But so much easier.
[18:09] <Kodachi> is there a way to get xubuntu to automount a dvd?
[18:09] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> seriously, I don't know why)
[18:09] <tiox> If you want mounting to be more Unix-like, use Fedora and type your password in every time you want to mount any filesystem. (Or edit Ubuntu's policy on it.) :P
[18:09] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> but it is seriously unix-way
[18:10] <tiox> Kodachi: DVDs should auto-mount because even in Fedora I can spin up a DVD in VLC no problem.
[18:10] <Kodachi>  ok
[18:10] <Kodachi>  thank you
[18:11] <tiox> (After I add ATrpms to get libdvdcss2 anyway)
[18:12] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> (autorun) this is the way of the ancient times, when the terrible virus could infect from flash drive or cd
[18:12] <tiox> Now for the reason I came in here; Does anyone know of a guide I'm not privy to that teaches installation of Compiz in XFCE on Debian systems?
[18:13] <tiox> Xubuntu fits the bill, and COmpiz isn't installed by default so I assume it's a relatively fresher start than on Ubuntu.
[18:14] <tiox> (Earlier I tried using Debian's Squeeze repo to install it, by no means fun.)
[18:15] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I want install compiz?
[18:15] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> sek
[18:15] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Do you want install compiz or what&
[18:15] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> ?
[18:16] <tiox> Yes, I would like to have Compiz, but not the half-assed C++ implementation 0.9 had become.
[18:16] <tiox> I can easily type in sudo apt-get install compiz [etc.] and get that.
[18:17] <tiox> The most recent "Stable" build for modern systems is 0.8.9, compatible with MATE thanks to the likes of MATE forum's Nice&Gently but that's out of reach and 0.8.8 is the more notable stable build.
[18:17] <lduros> so is ~/.dcrm still used?
[18:18] <lduros> ~/.dmrc rather?
[18:18] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Is in xubuntu repos different compiz then ubuntu?
[18:18] <tiox> No.
[18:19] <tiox> The on;y difference is that you have to use xubuntu-specific packages for some things, but all Ubuntu systems carry the same base.
[18:19] <tiox> xubuntu / XFCE-specific rather.
[18:20] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> If you install it by apt-get it installed not correctly?
[18:20] <tiox> I will say though, refer to Webupd8 if you want quick-and-dirty configuration informtion on fixing the sound issue it has.
[18:20] <tiox> If you install via apt-get, I believe XFCE will request configuration by the end-user.
[18:21] <tiox> You might screw that process up, but if you installed MATE before it should be no harder than that.
[18:21] <tiox> KDE, Elementary, etc.
[18:25] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I suppose, if after the mate works fine, it maybe so case could be that there are some components of the GNOME
[18:27] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> sorry for my English, I hope you understand me
[18:29] <tiox> GNOME and MATE kind of go hand-in-hand, the only real aim of MATE is to prodice a workable traditional environment that is still up to snuff with GTK3. It's more than a GNOME-Shell hack, it's a re-implementation fo GNOME 2 that functions with GTK3 / GSettings.
[18:29] <tiox> of GNOME 2*
[18:30] <tiox> (Which, gsettings function with dconf-editor)
[18:31] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Are U PR-manager of MATE?)
[18:31] <tiox> I am not, just a user of many things.
[18:33] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I was just a user of everything that students make, XFCE for REAL-Man)
[18:33] <tiox> The aim of XFCE was to produce an environment using XForms / CDE, but after XForms became obsolete, XFCE simply became yet another GTK2 environment.
[18:34] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> And its great)
[18:34] <tiox> By all means. For some time, Linus' favored desktop environment.
[18:36] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I don't want some pieces of my DE lying down after each update
[18:36] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I am not Linus
[18:36] <tiox> It's not that some pieces of your DE lay down, it's that you lay down.
[18:37] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I want DE works
[18:37] <tiox> If you can isolate issues with naming conflicts and stuff of that nature, you can very easily rename files and modify configuration files, even recompile programs if you had the experience to.
[18:38] <tiox> The main goal of Ubuntu and related projects is to minimize the end-user's need to compile to produce an easy and marketable environment. The latter of that being more arguable.
[18:40] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Linus was OpenSUSE user, and It is "his precious" like KDE)))
[18:40] <tiox> (As of recent anyway -- I was ready to give My heart to Ubuntu before Shuttleworth became an idiot and didn't at least try to halt GTK3 adoption and GTK2's subsequent abandonment until everything was "Just right")
[18:41] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> And it is great then all works fine from start button)
[18:42] <tiox> Yeah, until you try to modify it, then things get broken. In the old days things were less integrated, ergo less chance of getting broken.
[18:43] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Mark want to be a King)
[18:43] <tiox> I'm not going to argue the ease of use when keeping it stock though, but I will argue that Linus prefers OpenSuSE because it uses RPM, which is linux standard base for software distribution.
[18:43] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Coolar than Jobs
[18:44] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> RPM is child of RedHat)
[18:45] <tiox> Shuttleworth became lame. He's not even CEO of Canonical anymore.
[18:45] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Debian more GNU-system than RPM-based systems)
[18:46] <tiox> Huh. I thought the GNU project came along after Linus made Linux what it was. GNU Project and FSF wouldn't exist if Linux had a price tag like MINIX did.
[18:46] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> and aptitude is a great thing
[18:47] <Unit193> !ot
[18:48] <tiox> Know your history; Debian came about because Ian Murdock wanted to make an easier-to-use Linux system -- Something his girlfriend could get into without much fuss.
[18:50] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> thanks, holywars is Linus-things)
[18:51] <tiox> Some can say He succeeded. But with the way Debian had become, with its "Free software only" philosophy, it's in actuality harder off the start to use Debian than a system with broader hardware support like Ubuntu, that doesn't care if the software behind the hardware is "Free".
[18:51] <tiox> I am in no holy war. You're spouting silliness.
[18:51] <Unit193> tiox, npocTo4eJIoBeK1: This is the support channel, please chat in another one (#ubuntu-offtopic, #xubuntu-offtopic)
[18:53] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I use Debian on My Desktop PC and my Laptop with XFCE and it works betters than Ubuntu)
[18:53] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Ubuntu at my office-work
[18:53] <tiox> Sorry Unit193; I came here to see if anyone knew anything more about installing Compiz in XFCE / Xubuntu and this guy showed up with broken English telling us what is better and speaking things without really looking stuff up.
[18:54] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> )
[18:54] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Sorry, but who start PR company?)
[18:54] <tiox> Compiz 0.8.8 rather.
[18:55] <tiox> I am no part of any public relations, I am just mentioning the end goals of everything you are talking about.
[18:55] <Unit193> tiox: Compiz "isn't supported" on Xubuntu, have you looked at Compton though?
[18:55] <tiox> It's more than effects I am looking for Unit.
[18:55] <Unit193> (Compiz is rather unmaintained, you can in theory get it to work, but not quit.)
[18:55] <Unit193> Cool, what you looking for?
[18:56] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> if you asked about XFCE keep way of question, don't tell MATE works better or something like that)
[18:56] <tiox> I'm looking to have the flashy, yet functional desktop I had back in Compiz 11.x, when DockbarX and Avant Window Navigator meant something to people.
[18:56] <Unit193> npocTo4eJIoBeK1: Please keep the offtopic somewhere else.
[18:56] <tiox> Ubuntu 11.x rather.
[18:57] <tiox> You know, all the "Cool stuff" before GNOME 3 / GNOME-Shell and Unity came along.
[18:57] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Sorry, it was stupid to give meal
[18:58] <Unit193> Hmm, alright.
[18:59] <tiox> I am going to veer quite a bit OT saying this, but if Ubuntu was really a "Community OS" by the people, and if Ubuntu really cared about using community-available software, it would have not made Unity, and instead worked on supporting what was popular (or at least well-known) at the time.\
[19:00] <tiox> You know, stuff like Docky, DockbarX, Avant Window Navigator, people wanted all the cool stuff that came with Compiz 0.8, so when making COmpiz 0.9 reverse-compatiblity should have been the focus, etc.
[19:01] <tiox> I am pretty damn sure Canonical could have made an AWN plugin that did the same thing as the dash button in Unity.
[19:02] <Unit193> But that doesn't help here.  I'd look at compton, though I'm pretty sure it doesn't do what you want.  As far as other compositors?  All depends on your luck I suppose, at least when it comes to compiz.
[19:03] <tiox> Fair enough. I should just give up and submit to KDE / KWin at some point.
[19:04] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I am afraid Evil-moderater will cast banhammer for the great justice!
[19:06] <tiox> lol
[19:07] <tiox> Well, just so people know where I am coming from, I am literally a product of OMG Ubutu! and Webupd8.
[19:07] <tiox> OMG Ubuntu!*
[19:07] <tiox> I mean, My Ubuntu usability experience was based on what those two places posted.
[19:08] <tiox> That and Compiz / GTK2 was "The thing" 2005 and up until 0.9 came out and broke everything.
[19:10] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> U are Great man write more cool info, nobody knows true staff
[19:38] <tiox> npocTo4eJIoBeK1: I stopped feeding the troll long ago. I want information and I got it. No use complaining in an OT channel because the natural evolution is to go away from what mate Linux a thing in the first place to many twenny-bopper Windows users.
[19:38] <tiox> tweeny-bopper*
[19:39] <tiox> Wow, typos everywhere. That's how mad I actually am about it. :P
[19:48] <speckle> I think xubuntu is the best distro for people new to Linux, since it doesn't have the quirkiness of regular ubuntu or kubuntu
[19:48] <speckle> But if you want flashy, maybe OpenSUSE is better since KDE is better than GNOME now, and it integrates the best with KDE
[19:53] <speckle> I appreciate Ubuntu's newbie-friendliness compared to most other distros, but in the end I got Xubuntu because it gets rid of some of the quirks while keeping most of the user-friendliness :) Obviously Canonical has their own goals, I'm just happy they made a "Debian easy mode"
[19:53] <tiox1> Right.
[19:53] <speckle> Mint has its own issues, like not being able to do a major upgrade without having a separate boot partition, which you can't expect new users to always have
[19:54] <tiox1> No, but you can always expect users to have a USB drive and unetbootin on hand.
[19:54] <speckle> I don't even know what unetbootin is without googling it first :P
[19:55] <bazhang> usb-creator has a similar function speckle
[19:55] <bazhang> write an iso to usb for installation
[19:56] <Sysi> I don't know if I prefer kde or gnome anymore, but xfce does everything I need, usually nicely
[19:57] <speckle> honestly though, I feel like 13.10 was a step backwards - it broke several things without any noticeable improvements. Both in Xubuntu-specific things and Ubuntu itself
[19:58] <speckle> there are open bugs about those things, so I'm worried whether xubuntu is dying
[19:58] <tiox1> Now all the people at NCHC have to do is to make Clonezilla as easy to use for backing up Linux partitions as it is for Windows partitions and poeple would have no trouble.
[19:58] <bazhang> you can stick with what works for you now, even try 14.04 in roughly 3 mos time
[19:58] <tiox1> people*
[20:00] <speckle> the biggest problems with backups is not utilities but drive speeds, IMO
[20:00] <speckle> then again you could just set it over night I suppose
[20:02] <tiox1> speckle: Yep.
[20:02] <tiox1> Or, you can start off with a small system, then grow the partition out after you're done.
[20:03] <tiox1> That's what I did with Windows. Start out with 50GB, fill it out later.
[20:05] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I am afraid ubuntu will go away from other DE with new MIR
[20:07] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Then how ubuntu might take XFCE?
[20:07] <bekks> MIR isnt a DE.
[20:07] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I know
[20:07] <bazhang> npocTo4eJIoBeK1, did you have an actual support issue?
[20:08] <bazhang> npocTo4eJIoBeK1, this channel is for support not chit chat, try #xubuntu-offtopic
[20:10] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> OK, i understand, but tell it anyothers)
[20:11] <tiox1> speckle: Drive speed is less an issue these days with USB3, but it still would take a full workday to back up someone's PC, or rather, a full night's sleep. :P
[20:11] <tiox1> Provided you keep the partition at least 100GB backing that up and using the rest for ~ might be more beneficial if you want to do system image backups.
[20:11] <tiox1> You know, as I do.
[20:12] <speckle> yeah, I guess users have to be proactive about organizing their files, and there's only so easy software can make that
[20:12] <speckle> that's probably why cloud services are so popular, heh
[20:13] <tiox1> Because people don't actually have to care about organizing their files? :P
[20:13] <speckle> to a point, yeah
[20:16] <tiox1> Here, I am going to post something on Pastebin, about how I set up my system. This assumes Windows but can also be used for Linux setup.
[20:16] <speckle> Windows??!
[20:16] <tiox1> M = Make, CP = Copy, http://pastebin.com/QiaNLFy8
[20:17] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> how to make icons of unmount partitions not displayed with mount devices (like flashdrive) on table?
[20:17] <tiox1> Yeah, I use Windows because games and shit.
[20:17] <tiox1> Also, ~ = ~~, or equal approximate.
[20:17] <speckle> playonlinux works better for older games :)
[20:19] <tiox1> I gt a bit lazy toward the end, I should mean to have said make per-month image backups of SDA1
[20:19] <tiox1> But makes sense to me.
[20:19] <tiox1> Also, crap, messed it up a bit -- There;s some talk about SDA7 in there, wrong -- I thought I could make two extended partitions.
[20:20] <tiox1> Seems not, but I can make three primary = 1 extened for my Fat16 partitions with other backup stuff.
[20:23] <speckle> thanks, I'll think about adopting some of those practices
[20:24] <tiox1> Just touching it up so it makes actual sense after my revelation about extended partitions.
[20:26] <tiox1> The only rreason I would make partitions to backup drives first then copy is to guarantee 1:1 backup not needing a larger partition to make 1:1 file backups with. It's less relevant to do for places where you'll keep images, but when the images get large enough, the extra space will be appreciable.
[20:26] <tiox1> Here we go, the version that should make more sense; http://pastebin.com/2q0tRqXJ
[20:27] <speckle> cool, thanks
[20:54] <tiox1> speckle: I got called away, but you don't even need those two FAT16 partitions, I could get away with making the Windows install backup an NTFS partition but I don't want to somehow set that as boot by accident. I am all about the paranoia.
[20:55] <speckle> ah, I see
[20:55] <tiox1> And maybe the other Fat16 partition could be a Fat32 partition and be copied to CD instead, but I keep it to Fat16 because of the hard 4GB limit.
[20:55] <tiox1> It's predictable.
[21:51] <speckle> Where do I report packages that are missing important files?
[21:51] <TheSheep> !bugs | speckle
[21:52] <speckle> thanks!
[21:54] <speckle> ahhh, I have to create an account and everything, I can't just post it
[21:54] <speckle> oh well
[22:27] <xubuntu279> Hello
[22:27] <xubuntu279> I need help.
[22:27] <xubuntu279> Please, help me, annyone?
[22:27] <xubuntu279> I'm using Xubuntu 13.10.
[22:28] <bekks> !ask | xubuntu279
[22:30] <xubuntu279> I've installed Xubuntu 13.10, I'm getting random "System Program Problem", it's annoying, I'm trying to make a USB install to Ubuntu, but ALL SOFTWARES crashes everytime here, my Windows 8.1 also isn't shown at Grub, I need help into that.
[22:30] <xubuntu279> All softwares crashes while creating USB Bootable disk, this is only happening into this glitchy Xubuntu, never happened at Ubuntu or Windows.
[22:31] <xubuntu279> Also I can't get to AMD Catalyst Control Center, it shows the same "System Program Problem" error.
[22:31] <xubuntu279> Almost everything at everytime shows as "System Program Problem" error, it's a fresh install.
[22:35] <xubuntu279> Trying to create the bootable USB to install Ubuntu again, hope is doesn't crash this time, it's the 6th try.
[22:36] <xubuntu279> Since Xubuntu Grub destroyed everything I'm trying to to this now.
[22:36] <xubuntu279> And it simply corrupted one of my hard disks while these random crazy crashes, more than U$10,000.00 worth files damaged.
[22:36] <xubuntu279> Wow, crashed again
[22:37] <xubuntu279> This is the shittiest OS ever.
[22:37] <bekks> Too long, didnt read.
[22:37] <bekks> Keep your actual question in one sentence please.
[22:37] <xubuntu279> my actual question is the first and it's in one sentence
[22:37] <xubuntu279> no one answered.
[22:37] <xubuntu279> again:
[22:37] <xubuntu279> I've installed Xubuntu 13.10, I'm getting random "System Program Problem", it's annoying, I'm trying to make a USB install to Ubuntu, but ALL SOFTWARES crashes everytime here, my Windows 8.1 also isn't shown at Grub, I need help into that.
[22:37] <tiox> xubuntu279: Does it happen with Ubuntu? How about Linux Mint?
[22:38] <xubuntu279> No, only in this Xubuntu.
[22:38] <bekks> I dont see a single question until now.
[22:38] <xubuntu279> I've done fine at Linux Mint too, but I'm trying different distros.
[22:38] <bekks> However, I am out.
[22:38] <xubuntu279> Tried Xubuntu and it's destroyed everything.
[22:39] <tiox> xubuntu's a bit on the buggy side yes, but being destructive? I don't know about that.
[22:39] <xubuntu279> Ok bekks, how can I mount a bootable USB to install Linux since Xubuntu crashes at every 20 seconds?
[22:39] <tiox> The worse I have seen is sound not working off thre bat, which had been covered for users to fix.
[22:39] <xubuntu279> Can you help me?
[22:39] <bekks> Create a bootable USB, which doesnt require mounting.
[22:39] <xubuntu279> I'm just trying to mount but the file manager crashes too, terminal crashes, tried to install Nautilus then it crashed too.
[22:40] <xubuntu279> bekks, I can't copy files since terminal or file managers crashes.
[22:40] <xubuntu279> That "System Program Problem".
[22:40] <tiox> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install unetbootin && sudo unetbootin
[22:40] <bekks> USe a terminal and use "dd" to transfer the file to the USB.
[22:40] <xubuntu279> Already tried this tiox and bekks.
[22:40] <xubuntu279> Both solutions.
[22:40] <bekks> And?
[22:40] <xubuntu279> "System Program Problem"
[22:40] <xubuntu279> The same crash.
[22:40] <tiox>  /_\
[22:40] <xubuntu279> Then the app close.
[22:41] <bekks> Which app?
[22:41] <xubuntu279> Terminal
[22:41] <xubuntu279> And UnetBootin
[22:41] <xubuntu279> Tried usb-creator-gtk too.
[22:41] <bekks> Use ctrl alt f1 to get to a TTY.
[22:41] <bekks> It will not abort like that.
[22:41] <xubuntu279> Then use the dd copy?
[22:41] <bekks> Yes.
[22:42] <xubuntu279> Never used ctrl+alt+F1, there's a step by step using the command into this ctrl+alt+f1 screen?
[22:42] <xubuntu279> I mean, the copy dd command.
[22:42] <bekks> dd if=/the/full/path/to/the/ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX    where sdX represents your USB.
[22:43] <bekks> And be carefull, it will overwrite alll content on the USB without asking you. And ensure you are using the correct device.
[22:43] <tiox> Speaking of such, I'm doing dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M to wipe a USB drive giving me problems in Windows.
[22:43] <xubuntu279> Ok, I can use cd command there and check if it's correct, ok?
[22:44] <tiox> xubuntu: dd is VERY unforgiving. Not recommended for novice users without some information of what they are doing.
[22:44] <xubuntu279> If it's the correct sdX, right?
[22:44] <bekks> xubuntu279: Windows has no dd.
[22:44] <tiox> bekks: Unless one were to install cygwin. :P
[22:45] <bekks> tiox: As a novice user? :P
[22:45] <xubuntu279> Yes, but isn't the case right here, I'll try using Ctrl+ALt+F1.
[22:45] <tiox> Even still, I say no to DD unless I'm doing a drive format, of which I can destory things real easy with dd. :P
[22:45] <xubuntu279> I'll cd the sdX to check if it's the correct USB device
[22:45] <tiox> Just do dmesg after plugging rhe drive in.
[22:45] <bekks> Thats not going to work.
[22:45] <bekks> xubuntu279: you cannot cd into /dev/sdX
[22:45] <bekks> xubuntu279: you would have to mount the content, to see whats in there.
[22:45] <xubuntu279> cd /dev/sd(number)?
[22:46] <xubuntu279> mount command?
[22:46] <tiox> No, but he can udisks --mount /ev/sdXn and browse to wherever it ends up in /media
[22:46] <xubuntu279> Ok.
[22:46] <tiox> ...
[22:46] <xubuntu279> Thanks for the help guys.
[22:46] <xubuntu279> I'll try it.
[22:46] <tiox> udisks --mount /dev/sdXn, example, udisks --mount /dev/sda1
[22:46] <xubuntu279> Got it.
[22:46] <tiox> But...
[22:46] <tiox> You have to sudo apt-get install udisks to do that first becaue xubuntu doesn't even come with that.
[22:46] <bekks> unmount it before using dd :)
[22:47] <tiox> Don't ask why,
[22:47] <xubuntu279> Ok.
[22:47] <xubuntu279> Thanks.
[22:47] <tiox> I guess, no perceived need for udisks when XFCE handles mounting just fine normally.
[22:51] <brainwash> newer versions of xubuntu ship with udisks2
[22:53] <xubuntu650> Thanks for the help bekks and tiox, solved here, succesfully mount Ubuntu Installer USB.
[22:53] <xubuntu650> Using Ctrl+Alt+F1
[22:54] <xubuntu650> Didn't crashed.
[22:55] <tiox> udisks2? I should look into that. So it's udisks2 --mout?
[22:55] <tiox> mount*
[22:55] <xubuntu650> Yes.
[22:55] <xubuntu650> Like bekks said.
[22:55] <xubuntu650> Worked like a charm, now I gtg guys, thanks again.
[22:55] <xubuntu650> Cya.
[22:56] <tiox> Bye.
[22:56] <tiox> Glad we could help.
[22:58] <patrickd> Folks, is there anyway to enable sound when running xubuntu in virtualbox ?
[22:58] <tiox> The same way you enable sound normally, by modifying the service file. I'll fetch it.
[22:59] <tiox> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/xubuntu-1310-sound-indicator-fix.html
[22:59] <brainwash> tiox: udisks2 installs udisksctl, see "man udisksctl"
[23:04] <patrickd> tiox, Thanks for the link, this is the first time I've come across the sound icon not working out of the box that wasn't caused by missing drivers or the silly muted by default option.
[23:07] <tiox> Welcome patrickd
[23:08] <tiox> brainwash: I am in Windows at the moment, but could it be fair to say I could do alias udisks=udisksctl in ~/.bash-aliases and expect it to work just the same?