[00:00] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: OK, "(initramfs)" appears :)
[00:02] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: OK, so that confirms that its something caused during the upstart init process... so its a case of figuring that out now. First, lets try booting to a bash shell instead of starting upstart. Remove "break=init" and add "init=/bin/bash" and reboot. If that works, you've booted into the real root file-system but used BASH as the init process... which'll not do any configuration
[00:04] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: OK, I'll try it now...
[00:07] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: it doesn't freeze now, but it stops with blinking cursor, and it doesn't ask for crypt passphrase as usual
[00:07] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Aha... well that makes sense!
[00:08] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: OK... you can lose the "init=/bin/bash" since with using cryptsetup the init rules need to run to unlock the volume
[00:08] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: yepp
[00:12] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: is there any option?
[00:15] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: None I can think of right now... having encryption complicates the debug process immensely. Is there a spare (bootable) disk in there you could install an unencrypted testing environment into?
[00:15] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: this server is empty, I can reinstall the system on it
[00:16] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: without hands/eyes-on its very hard to work with these kinds of issues... often I spot subtle clues which isn't easy to do with IRC in the way
[00:18] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: You're right
[00:19] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: so could you point me to the right way, what strategy should I apply?
[00:21] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: As I see now, the point is to reinstall system without encryption. Then try to boot, if it still doesn't boot, try "init=/bin/bash". If it boots this way, try to make something in /sbin/init
[00:21] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: My next step would be to create a minimal command-line environment installation on a USB flash storage device (I actually carry one around with me for this kind of situation) that would then allow me to selective disable kernel modules that I can see being loaded, until I find the module(s) causing the lockups
[00:22] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: sounds awesome. Is there a fast and easy way to make it? (some manual you could recommend)
[00:23] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: If you can get into /bin/bash, you're in the read-write root file-system, and can then edit files in /etc/modprobe.d/ to blacklist modules that you suspect are to blame for the lockups. It's an iterative process using guesswork, hunches, and clues from the logs in /var/log/ .. especially /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/udev
[00:23] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I understand
[00:24] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: I've never come across one; this kind of sys-admin stuff comes from lots of experience with similar problems which develops an intuition about it
[00:27] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Which distro do you recommend for usb?
[00:29] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Ubuntu :) Mine starts from an ubuntu-minimal install and then has had all my preferred tools added. You can do something similar by installing from the Ubuntu server ISO to a USB device and not selecting any server packages, and then customising it after it has managed to boot (assuming it can!)
[00:31] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Am I right thinking that I can do the same with Ubuntu installer?
[00:33] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: The server installer? That was the one I was referring to. I don't think it can be done automatically from the LiveCD installer.
[00:39] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I think, this is what I need https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[00:40] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: I'd guess, being a LiveCD image, it'll hang like the liveCD itself does. That's why these situations need a really minimal non-GUI install
[00:41] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: What you need is something that you can easily change the boot process on and will do the absolute minimum necessary to get to a working terminal
[00:43] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I understand. So don't you know if there "ready to burn" clone of working minimal ubuntu that I can download and dd to my usb flash?
[00:44] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: for the moment all I found is how to install Linux on USB
[00:44] <TJ-> It's so long since I needed that I don't know; I've always created my own
[00:44] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Is it possible to make it with 1 MacBook and 1 USB flash stick?
[00:45] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: a USB device is the same as any other disk as far as installing goes. You only need 'special' measures for USB if creating a clone of a LiveCD ISO image
[00:49] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: as I understood I need kinda virtualization environment (program like VirtualBox) in which I should run Ubuntu Server installer and then I have to choose USB stick as a hard drive on which the installation should be done
[00:51] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: That sounds about right, yes
[00:54] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: do you know if the Parallels is suitable for it?
[00:55] <TJ-> I'd assume any hypervisor should be OK for doing that
[01:15] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Ok, I'm in.
[01:15] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: ls /etc/modprobe.d:
[01:16] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: there are only blacklist files
[01:17] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: You mean you've booted the server successfully to a /bin/bash prompt?
[01:19] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: ooops, that's my fault, I understood that I do incorrectly just a second ago
[01:20] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: How to know what kernel modules are being loaded on boot?
[01:25] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: By reading the previous boot's log-files in /var/log/ ... the previous boot(s) will have log-files with names including a "0" or "1", especially dmesg and kern.log
[01:25] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: in my syslog I have multiple *BAD*gran_size messages, is it normal?
[01:26] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: I don't recognise that message and no it doesn't sound normal
[01:26] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: there are only media-info and syslog in /var/log
[01:27] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: I think I'd start by looking at all the PCI hardware recognised by "lspci -nn" ... then I'd look-up the PCI device_vendor IDs of each device and locate the kernel module that drives it, and disable them one at a time by adding their names to a blacklist file in /etc/modprobe.d/ before booting normally (but with "debug") and seeing if the soft lockups go away
[01:42] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Found in /var/log/upstart/module-init-tools.log: "FATAL: Module rtc not found."
[01:46] <JanC> some people/discussions with/about that error mention booting with the 'disable_mtrr_cleanup' kernel parameter as a workaround?
[01:51] <JanC> also, sometimes it helps to change the amount of RAM available to an on-board GPU to the minimum?
[02:31] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: I have to go to bed now, but I've written a compact BASH scriptlet that will determine what loadable kernel modules are required just by using the output of lspci, which you can run from the "init=/bin/bash" terminal without having to run upstart. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6648944/
[02:32] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Thanks! You helped me so much today
[02:33] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I appreciate it! Thank you for your time
[02:33] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: The output lists, for each device, any loadable kernel modules that can manage the device. Those are the module names you should add to blacklist entries in "/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-testing.conf" in the form of one per line "blacklist <module_name>"
[02:34] <Logan_> xnox: tsp tsp, synced over your own autoreconf delta, and now it's not building on ppc64el: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/ntrack/016-1.2 Want me to reintroduce it?
[02:34] <Logan_> *tsk tsk lol
[02:34] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: This is example output, from my laptop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6648963/
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[02:34] <xnox> Logan_: did I? *sigh* yes, please.
[02:34] <Logan_> doing
[02:35] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: OK
[02:35] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: will try it tomorrow
[02:35] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Good luck with it
[02:38] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Thanks
[02:39] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Be best to continue support in #ubuntu-server rather than this channel, too; this is for Ubuntu development not user support. I'm in that channel too
[02:40] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I'll find you there. Would be glad to continue discussing this problem later on
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[08:01] <uBUXUBu> odd behaviour in ubunut software center-crashed-report sent-after crash software center acting strange-when i tried to read about software packages they were all blanked out and had lines drawn thru them as though someone had taken a pencil and scrathced things out? very bizarre-rebooted all normal?
[08:02] <uBUXUBu> ubuntu*
[08:02] <uBUXUBu> odd cause in using 12.04 LTS
[08:09] <darkxst> uBUXUBu, file a bug with a screenshot
[08:10] <uBUXUBu> well as i just said i rebooted and its gone
[08:11] <uBUXUBu> but i did file report
[09:40] <ogra_`> ogra      2038  4.6 53.6 8997504 4076544 ?     Ssl  Dez11 1119:24 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hud/hud-service
[09:40] <ogra_`> hmm
[09:40] <ogra_`> 4G for the hud ...
[09:43] <infinity> adconrad  2559  0.0  0.1 372556 29996 ?        Ssl  Dec21   4:14 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hud/hud-service
[09:43] <infinity> I think you've done something special to yours.
[09:43] <ogra_`> well, not that i know of ... i use it ...
[09:43] <ogra_`> i wonder fi it caches all requests ever made in a session
[09:46] <ogra_`> i suspect a reboot is in order ...
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[10:21]  * ogra_` glares at update-manager ... 
[10:22] <ogra_`> why the heck do i have texlive-latex-extra-doc installed ... and why is it 300MB bit !!
[10:22] <ogra_`> *big
[10:41] <ogra_`> argh
[10:42] <ogra_`> i think this upgrade killed my libcd
[10:42] <ogra_`> *libc
[10:42]  * ogra_` gets a "file not found" for everything 
[10:43] <ogra_`> sigh
[10:43] <cjwatson> ogra_`: If you had libc6-amd64:i386 installed, see the instructions near the top of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator
[10:43] <ogra_`> i surely had, and usually make sure it doesnt get uninstalled
[10:43] <ogra_`> seems soemthing removed it
[10:44] <cjwatson> The upgrade from 2.17 to 2.18 may have had similar effects to uninstallation
[10:44] <ogra_`> ah
[10:44] <cjwatson> (Perhaps, I don't know)
[10:46] <ogra_`> hmm
[10:46] <ogra_`> i still have 2.17 installed
[10:49] <ogra_`> sigh, and i cant sudo indeed
[11:27] <ogra_`> sigh
[11:28]  * ogra_` fixes the instructions on the wiki ... linking to the linker of the initrd kind of doesnt really work :P
[11:28] <ogra_`> cjwatson, thanks !
[11:28] <ogra_`> (all back up again)
[13:32] <xnox> How to do a fakesync, when debian's dfsg'ed upstream version number is lower than ubuntu's dfsg'ed upstream version number?
[13:33] <xnox> opencolorio 1.0.8~dfsg0-2.1 (debian), 1.0.8+repack1-0ubuntu3 (ubuntu)
[13:34]  * xnox is thinking to rename debian's tarball into 1.0.8+repack2 and write a sensible explanatory changelog entry that this is in-fact a fake-sync.
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