[07:18] <foobarry> http://petapixel.com/2013/12/27/100-year-old-box-exposed-negatives-discovered-conservators-antarctica/
[07:19] <mapps> that Lillyhammer looks good!
[10:04] <brobostigon> good morning boys and girls.
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[10:25] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[10:27] <foobarry> Facebook is ?dead and buried? to young people, who are fleeing the site to escape their parents, a major study of social media has found.
[10:28] <foobarry> The project?s lead researcher dealt the ultimate blow to the formerly ground-breaking social media site, saying it was "simply not cool any more."
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> well that settles it then
[10:28] <brobostigon> and using what insted?
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> G+ of course, until the kids start to hate that
[10:29] <shauno> the premise is that most of them are using fb because their parents want somewhere they can stay in touch
[10:29] <brobostigon> i dont think kids will use g+, it seems far to techinically orientated.
[10:29] <shauno> on that grounds, G+ is already for grownups, so has lost that one before it was even out the gate
[10:29] <foobarry> g+ is for tech and photos
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> ok.. tumblr then
[10:30] <foobarry> gonna make site called beliebo
[10:30] <foobarry> kids are probably more likely to click ads
[10:31] <brobostigon> and mess up their windows machines with viriii
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> and then not buy the service
[10:34] <shauno> if we're clever, we'll stop letting one service 'win', and force them to play nicely together
[10:34] <foobarry> "mummy please can you buy me this thing all my frineds have"
[10:35] <brobostigon> (insert I-device name here)
[10:43] <foobarry> " Teenagers are gravitating instead towards sites like Snapchat and Twitter, the former because interactions leave no permanent record."
[10:44] <foobarry> teens/kids will always want to do same but different
[10:45] <foobarry> what happened to bebo?
[10:46] <foobarry> shauno: thats not very capitalist? next you'll want it to be easy to transfer money vetweens banks and change energy provider in 1 week
[11:05] <MooDoo> hello all
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> \o
[11:10] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[11:11] <MooDoo> hows MartijnVdS brobostigon
[11:11]  * MartijnVdS pokes at chef a bit more
[11:11] <brobostigon> not bad over, and you MooDoo ?
[11:11] <brobostigon> overall*
[11:12] <MooDoo> yeah I'm ok, at work at mo waiting to pic the family up at 12 they are at a play :D
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> your family of PICs? ;)
[11:13] <brobostigon> :)
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> Picts? ;)
[11:13] <MooDoo> pick :D lol
[11:13] <MooDoo> or they could be picts, armed with their swords :D
[11:14] <brobostigon> lol
[11:20] <foobarry> anyone had issues with a youtube video that works on phone but loses audio after about 90% stage on youtube version?
[11:21] <brobostigon> android or ios, youtube app or in browser?
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> I haven't had problems on Android, Chromebook or PC
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> or the "Youtube" app on my TV
[11:27] <foobarry> in browser
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> Hah: http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/16226/trolling-homework-questions-sorting
[13:40] <nigelb> That was bloody brilliant :D
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> the C# example.. there was a C# coder at the previous place I worked at that wrote code like that
[13:43] <nigelb> The comment on the Java example made me laugh :P
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> python -> Gives the user a sorted array by removing all elements not in sorted order from the input array.
[13:44] <nigelb> The perl example. *shudders*
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> yeah.. that's *bad* :)
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> I mean, I can decode it.. but *read*?
[13:47] <nigelb> ah, yes. There's a php one.
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> hahaha :)
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> it requires you to sort manually
[13:49] <MartijnVdS>         echo "Type the index of the smallest double value in the list: ";
[13:49] <nigelb> Perfect :D
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> heh, the "monte carlo" method of sorting
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> i.e. randomize the list until it's sorted.
[13:51] <nigelb> Heh
[15:41]  * penguin42 would be tempted to print pairs of numbers out as captchas and post them somewhere to get the pairs sorted
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: Mechanical Turk? :)
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: https://www.mturk.com/mturk/
[16:56] <penguin42> yes that's exactly what I was thinking
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: foobarry was having youtube issues as well
[20:57] <popey> foobarry: oh?
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: see 11:20 today (UK time :))
[21:00] <popey> not same issue
[21:00] <popey> i think
[22:02] <popey> well, youtube is completely broken now
[22:03] <daftykins> what for?
[22:43] <popey> daftykins: everything
[22:43] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/+bug/1264754
[22:44] <popey> I don't doubt it's probably some oddity that will be "fixed" if I reboot, but I refuse to do that until we know what it is
[22:45] <daftykins> weird!
[22:45] <penguin42> popey: Hmm see the HookError bit in your bug, you might want to file a bug against that bug
[22:47] <popey> eh?
[22:48] <ali12341> some apport hook failed to run correctly
[22:48] <ali12341> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/160954170/HookError_chromium_browser.txt
[22:48] <ali12341> that looks like a python2 -> python3 bug
[22:49] <ali12341> they've totally mangled the way strings and buffers work for "better" (actually just more annoying) unicode support
[22:49] <popey> ah
[22:49] <popey> thanks
[22:49] <ali12341> as for youtube/flash... no idea
[22:50] <ali12341> are you using html5? feather?
[22:52] <popey> filed bug 1264756
[22:53] <popey> neither, its a clean browser session, no login
[22:53] <popey> so it cant be either of those
[22:53] <ali12341> any reason why you made a new profile? just randomly trying to break stuff?
[22:53] <popey> to get a clean log
[22:53] <ali12341> so your normal profile is doing the same thing?
[22:53] <popey> and prove it wasnt anything in my profile
[22:53] <popey> yes
[22:54] <ali12341> what video driver?
[22:54] <ali12341> my guess would be video driver problems
[22:54] <popey> intel
[22:54] <popey> it worked earlier today
[22:54] <ali12341> have you tried completely 100% closing down chromium?
[22:54] <popey> yes
[22:54] <popey> logged out and in again too
[22:54] <ali12341> really?
[22:54] <popey> ya
[22:54] <ali12341> service lightdm restart?
[22:54] <popey> i have a high uptime
[22:54] <popey> no, logout /login
[22:54] <penguin42> popey: anything in dmesg or /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:55] <popey> root     28343  0.0  0.0 192788  4720 ?        Sl   21:55   0:00 lightdm --session-child 12 31
[22:55] <ali12341> yeah check for errors in those places
[22:55] <ali12341> also ~/.Xsession-errors or whatever it's called
[22:55] <ali12341> i dunno what that means :/
[22:55] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654030/
[22:55] <penguin42> ali12341: Problem is you can never tell in .xsession-errors - it's always full of junk
[22:55] <ali12341> not always
[22:56] <popey> .xsession-errors is near empty here
[22:56] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654035/
[22:56] <ali12341> also if it's full of vdpau errors or something, we've probably found the cause
[22:56] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654038/
[22:56] <popey> i removed libvdpau1
[22:57] <popey> bah! now it's working
[22:57] <popey> ffs
[22:57] <ali12341>  [Mon Dec 23 01:01:56 2013] EXT4-fs warning (device sdc1): __ext4_read_dirblock:908: error reading directory block (ino 2, block 0)
[22:57] <ali12341> errrr.........
[22:57] <penguin42> popey: What is sdc ?
[22:57] <directhex> viddyPOW!
[22:57] <popey> sdc is a dodgy usb stick
[22:57] <popey> from my ouya
[22:57] <ali12341> was any of those dmesg?
[22:58] <popey> which was corrupted by an ouya software update
[22:58] <popey> last one was
[22:58] <ali12341> no your machine has written nothing on dmesg for 5 days?
[22:58] <penguin42> is it still plugged in?
[22:58] <popey> oh, how interestin
[22:58] <ali12341> my dmesg is not timestamped like that
[22:58] <popey> thats dmesg -T
[22:59] <ali12341> ah, cool
[22:59] <penguin42> popey: / full ?
[22:59] <stgraber> popey: note that nowadays you also want to check the logs in ~/.cache/upstart as most things that used to be in .xsession-errors have now been moved there with the switch to upstart user sessions
[22:59] <popey> ah yes
[22:59] <penguin42> stgraber: Nice
[22:59] <popey> /dev/sda1            213G  191G   11G  95% /
[22:59] <ali12341> stgraber: that's nt particularly useful as most things that use upstart don't write logs in the first place
[23:00] <directhex> ouya costs £99. ps3 12gb costs £99. nintendo 2ds costs £99. one of these things is not like the other
[23:00] <stgraber> ali12341: well, anything that used to write to stdout/stderr and end up in .xsessions_errors will end up in something under .cache/upstart/
[23:00] <penguin42> popey: Maybe /var/log/kern.log has something newer?
[23:00] <stgraber> ali12341: so you won't get anything more than you used to, but you shouldn't get anything less either
[23:00] <ali12341> yeah, but it's mostly all the junk that now ends up in .cache
[23:00] <stgraber> (it's not always obvious where they end up though, most usually end up under dbus IIRC)
[23:01] <ali12341> where as the interesting things generally still go to .Xsession-errors
[23:01] <popey> yeah, kern.log is newer
[23:01] <ali12341> ie actual errors
[23:01] <ali12341> anywhoo
[23:02] <ali12341> so when was the last time it worked?
[23:02] <ali12341> and when did you do between then and now?
[23:02] <popey> this morning
[23:02] <penguin42> and what does your kern.log say
[23:02] <popey> well, more recently than that, this afternoon i watched some videos, about 5pm
[23:03] <popey> its pastebinnin, but taking a while
[23:03] <penguin42> bbs
[23:03] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654074/
[23:04] <ali12341> that looks like you suspended the machine or something
[23:05] <ali12341> line 4362
[23:06] <popey> that was waking up from suspend, yes
[23:07] <popey> been on all day since then i think
[23:08] <popey> I tried this a dozen times in my browser window, and then in firefox and then in a new browser session, it locked up every time
[23:09] <ali12341> what about flash that isn't a video?
[23:10] <popey> I'm not even watching video!
[23:10] <popey> just go to youtube.com and click "my subscriptions" or "sign in"
[23:10] <ali12341> what about other sites with flash video?
[23:11] <popey> right, it's broken again!
[23:11] <popey> such as?
[23:11] <directhex> *insert porn url here*
[23:11] <popey> heh
[23:11] <popey> dailymotion also locks up
[23:13] <popey> right, dailymotion & youtube in chromium, and dailymotion in firefox, all freeze up
[23:13] <popey> dm played in ff for about 3 seconds
[23:13] <ali12341> can you disable hardware acceleration in flash?
[23:14] <popey> hmm, dunno.
[23:14] <directhex> popey, kill all chomium processes
[23:14] <directhex> popey, e.g. lingering plugin container processes
[23:14] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ ps aux | grep chrom
[23:14] <popey> alan       460  0.0  0.0   9424   644 pts/13   D+   23:14   0:00 grep --color=auto chrom
[23:16] <penguin42> popey: Can you clean up some of the other thing your machine is really unhappy with - e.g. it's still moaning about that sdc mount and there is some usb+/bluetooth on there that's completely shot
[23:16] <popey> works first time I load after starting chromium, then close tab and do it again and it fails
[23:16] <popey> bt is my headphones
[23:17]  * popey switches off bluetooth
[23:17] <ali12341> hmm... your new bluetooth headphones?
[23:17]  * popey unmounts sdc
[23:17] <popey> yes
[23:17] <ali12341> could be related
[23:17] <popey> could be, yes
[23:17] <ali12341> maybe it's the old "only one thing can use sound" again
[23:18] <popey> yup, switched off bt, now the tab loads
[23:19] <penguin42> so probably getting stuck on sound
[23:22] <penguin42> ali12341: Which shouldn't happen - unless pulse has fallen over because of the bt stuff
[23:23] <penguin42> popey: Oh and congratulations on segging perl dconf worker[22010]: segfault at b00 ip 00007ffdcc447132 sp 00007ffdbd353130 error 4 in libperl.so.5.14.2[7ffdcc3b8000+16e000] :-)
[23:24] <popey> hah