[00:00] <ObrienDave> !patience | yofun
[00:01]  * yofun waits
[00:01] <hitsujiTMO> yofun: is that your own site as it appears to be misconfigured. I clicked on the link and downloaded the php source
[00:02] <yofun> nope its a file
[00:02] <yofun> a plugin
[00:02] <yofun> php plugij
[00:02] <yofun> plugin
[00:03] <yofun> however i cant wget it, it would just dowmload the redirect script
[00:03] <yofun> Not a direct link...
[00:03] <hitsujiTMO> ahh kk. in that case the site is sending a 403 for wget. you may need to force a referrer or set a browser user-agent
[00:05] <Mongo44> hitsujiTMO: 403 or 404?
[00:06] <hitsujiTMO> 403
[00:07] <demophobia> ObrienDave: Well, my other concern was environmental hazards, like lightbulbs with mercury or some batteries with ... mercury?
[00:08] <demophobia> http://www.staples.com/sbd/cre/marketing/easy-on-the-planet/recycling-and-eco-services.html Should I bring it there? ...
[00:08] <demophobia> looks like they'll take it, if they take 'all in one computers' ...
[00:09] <ObrienDave> yes, i would think that would be one of many good options
[00:11] <demophobia> I'm not sure how I would install a new hard drive, though: It looks like I'd need a screwdriver about 1.5 inches big ...
[00:12] <pgar23> lol...yup!
[00:13] <demophobia> This is an ATA drive -- can I replace it with a SATA drive? I'm not certain this computer has a 6GB/s SATA interface connector
[00:13] <rob_here> hello
[00:15] <ObrienDave> demophobia, all SATAs have the same connector and are backwards compatable
[00:16] <demophobia> Cool! :D Thanks, ObrienDave ... Perhaps I should read chapter 9 of http://www.amazon.com/Fix-Your-Own-Corey-Sandler/dp/0764534688 ...
[00:17] <cauthon> I have an older machine which can't run the Ubuntu GUI without NVidia drivers. Artifacts all over the screen, can't see anything. Where can I get a LiveCD with the NVidia drivers included?
[00:18] <TJ-> cauthon: Is the system already installed?
[00:18] <hitsujiTMO> cauthon: what gpu is it exactly?
[00:18] <cauthon> TJ-: No, I didn't install it or use the text install as I need to back up the hard drive to an ISO on my NAS
[00:18] <cauthon> hitsujiTMO: Let me check
[00:19] <TJ-> cauthon: If so, you can interrupt the boot-loader - GRUB - by holding down the Shift key as the system starts, and at the boot menu, choosing from Advanced, and Recovery option. That'll start in non-gui mode, where you can enable networking and then install the nvidia drivers from the terminal. Then, you can reboot to use the nvidia driver and get the GUI.
[00:19] <cauthon> hitsujiTMO: GeForce 6150SE onboard, on an AMD motherboard. It only has a VGA port on the back, so I'm guessing it's not the world's best GPU
[00:20] <cauthon> TJ-: Unfortunately not - if I hold shift while the LiveCD boots, can I install the system to a USB thumbdrive?
[00:22] <demophobia> cauthon: I've been told there are other options, perhaps lubuntu, for older computers. lubuntu might be worth looking into.
[00:23] <cauthon> demophobia: I'll look into that, thanks
[00:23] <cauthon> Is there an easy way to get a simple text install going from a normal Ubuntu Desktop LiveCD?
[00:24] <TJ-> cauthon: unfortunately no
[00:24] <TJ-> cauthon: You'll need the alternate ISO installer
[00:25] <ObrienDave> no more alternates. use mini ISO
[00:25] <ObrienDave> !mini
[00:25] <cauthon> Cool, thanks.
[00:26] <TJ-> ObrienDave: really? how are we supposed to install on non-networked systems now?
[00:28] <ObrienDave> ummm, carefully? ;)
[00:29] <hitsujiTMO> 12.04 still has an alternative cd
[00:33] <cauthon> Trying the server install now, should get me where I need to be
[00:34] <cauthon> (Already had the server install cd lying around, otherwise would have gone with mini)
[00:37] <luc__> is it possible to run lineage2 on ubuntu???
[00:37] <luc__> i am using 12.04 LTS
[00:37] <robotti^> it depends
[00:38] <robotti^> it is for windows
[00:38] <robotti^> you can always try wine
[00:38] <Xgates> hi everyone
[00:38] <robotti^> hello Xgates
[00:39] <hitsujiTMO> luc__: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=2273
[00:39] <Xgates> anyone know how to make all windows appear center? In the CompizConfig Settings Manager I figured out how to do it for one window individually at a time, but a bit of a pain to have to do this for each and every window...
 it doesnt run on ubuntu 12.04
[00:42] <Xgates> ahh I might have it figured out; CompizConfig Settings Manager - Window Management -->Place windows - Change Placement Mode from Smart to centered.
[00:42]  * Xgates trys
 the ratings is garbage
 i play Goddess of Destruction
[00:43] <Xgates> yeah that did it... WoOT! :)
[00:45] <Xgates> ok my biggest problem to date, and I've not seen any resolutions for this, I have a Asus G75VW and the F2 for Wifi to turn the adpater on and off, plus the F5 & F6 for screen brightness not working, anyone have any clues on this?
[00:46] <Xgates> Also acpi_listen and xev don't show any output when pressing the keys...
[00:46] <luc__> i tryed installed wine and winetricks
[00:46] <luc__> installing
[00:46] <luc__> *
[00:48] <damarusama> I use gmd and my user autologin into x, how can I remove the autologin to x ?
[00:50] <david38400> Can anyone please tell me if I can copy a video_TS file and convert to DVD? Thanks
[00:50] <damarusama> david38400: you can use ffmepg for that
[00:51] <ObrienDave> david38400, there are many utilities in the repos for doing just that
[00:51] <k1l_> damarusama: see /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[00:51] <TJ-> Xgates: Have you tried all the recommendations at http://www.linlap.com/asus_g75vw ?
[00:51] <rob_here> I'm currently reading O'Reilly Learning Python, does anyone have a better suggestion?
[00:52] <damarusama> k1l_: thanks getting there
[00:53] <k1l_> !ot | rob_here
[00:53] <damarusama> weird there is no custom.conf
[00:53] <rob_here> woops, sorry
[00:53] <Bin64> can you help me for create one fake server ssh ?
[00:53] <topper4125> rob_here, some people find it rather silly, but if you are more of a visual learner than a 'read and do' learner... (I'm more of a visual learner myself) I find tutorial vids on youtube to be quite helpful.
[00:54] <damarusama> how can I make sure I am using gdm ?  I am on a arm based 12 version
[00:54] <Xgates> TJ-: oh yeah I forgot to give nvidiabl a go, the only reason I didn't do that is because I'm pretty sure it's not Nvidia related but an ACPI issue, I believe Asus uses a driver in Windows to control them...
[00:54] <k1l_> damarusama: see with ps ax |grep dm       what is running
[00:54] <david38400> damarusama, Thanks will try
[00:55] <rob_here> topper4125, hey thanks, I'll check it out, and then get in the right IRC for questions later ^^
[00:55] <Xgates> as far as all the settings for grub and xorg.conf I've tried just about everyone I've seen too...
[00:55] <TJ-> Xgates: some of the comments recommend enabling the Compatiblity Support Module in BIOS, and say that F5/F6 start working after a suspend, and/or after creating an /etc/X11/xorg.conf that contains  "Option "registryDwords"	"EnableBrightnessControl=1"  "
[00:55] <damarusama> yep gdm binary
[00:55] <david38400> ObrienDave, Which ones for example.
[00:55] <Bin64> can you help me for create one fake server ssh ? please
[00:55] <topper4125> rob_here, yup.. that's what I do! Good luck!
[00:57] <qin> Bin64: fake ssh, you mean listining on 127.0.0.1?
[00:57] <Xgates> No Compatibility Support Module, Suspend doesn't do anything, also "Option "registryDwords" doesn't work too
[00:57] <damarusama> k1l_: if I don't have the custom.conf where could I disable x to load when my user login?
[00:57] <ObrienDave> david38400, not in Ubuntu at the moment
[00:57] <Xgates> TJ-: as I mentioned I've already tried just about everything out there, I've been reading and digging into this for a few weeks now...
[00:57] <david38400> ObrienDave, Ah ok. tried with ffmpeg but wouldnt work
[00:58] <TJ-> Xgates: So the suspend trick doesn't enable those hot keys?
[00:58] <david38400> will it work in a later version of UBuntu
[00:58] <Xgates> no
[00:58] <TJ-> If those other owner's suggestions don't help I doubt you're going to find anything better
[00:58] <k1l_> damarusama: i dont get what you want. if you dont want login into x use:
[00:58] <k1l_> !text | damarusama
[00:58] <Bin64> qin: I would like to create a ssh server that can afford to connect with logins that do not exist on my machine
[00:58] <Xgates> I made a bug report, hoping Canocial will figure out something, which I believe is going to take some type of driver...
[00:59] <damarusama> k1l_: thanks will try
[00:59] <qin> Bin64: allowed users in sshd_config
[01:00] <TJ-> Xgates: The comment by "Roberto, 2012/10/25 08:11" is pretty specific in the details of what definitely works on Ubuntu
[01:01] <Bin64> qin: No, I want that "toto" can connect via ssh on my machine without the "toto" account exists on my machine
[01:01] <qin> Bin64: man sshd_config; not sure how it makes server fake, better yet disable password login after issuing keys
[01:01] <Bin64> qin: this is not what I want :)
[01:02] <qin> Bin64: I do not think it is this what you really want. Do not know how to do it.
[01:03] <TJ-> Bin64: If "toto" doesn't exist as a user on the system, then it follows it is impossible for such a user to connect. Do you actually mean "user 'toto' on PC1 can connect to an account on PC2 that does not have a user called 'toto' " ?
[01:03] <Xgates> TJ-: but should also work with Ubuntu 12.04 and Nvidia 304.48 LOL, my luck I'm using 12.04 and 304.88, so I'm not really sure, I've also tried this out on livecds for Kubuntu and Mint with no luck either...
[01:03] <rob_here> topper4125, I'm actually just gonna dive into the MIT open course. Thanks for helping me remember that
[01:04] <qin> Bin64: besides it looks like you want to have undetectable access to remote system, which putting some doubts into my thinking.
[01:04] <TJ-> Xgates: And you have CSM enabled in the BIOS? Any other settings in BIOS look like they might affect these functions? Did you also add "acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor" to GRUB's linux kernel command line options?
[01:04] <Xgates> TJ-: the only reason I went with the LTS is I wanted to stay away from the Unity shopping lens spyware stuff, but I did a bit that I believe all you have to do is just uninstall the Unity Shopping Lens
[01:05] <bekks> Xgates: Correct. Uninstalling it is all you have to do.
[01:05] <Bin64> TJ-: I want to simulate a unix account accessible by ssh.
[01:05] <Xgates> TJ-: oh I also tried 13.10 livecd too and no good, maybe if I installed 13.10 and then the nvidia drivers I might have luck...
[01:06] <Bin64> as we can create a small web server using sockets;)
[01:06] <Xgates> TJ-: I don't have any CSM option in the bios, I tried also acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor
[01:06] <Xgates> bekks: so it's called unity shopping lens?
[01:07] <k1l_> Xgates: which ubuntu release are you talking about?
[01:07] <SaberX01> Simulate a Unix account .. I really do not see the advantage of that. Create the user account, and putting them in a JailShell or restricting the account to specific group usage would be much better approach.
[01:08] <Xgates> TJ-: oh wait unless I need to enable UEFI to see this CSM, I'll have to go back and check...
[01:08] <Xgates> k1l_: I'm using 12.04
[01:09] <Xgates> BUT if I enable UEFI I don't think this is going to boot any more because I installed Ubuntu MBR
[01:09] <k1l_> Xgates: the unity-lens-shopping only exists for quantal and raring
[01:09] <Xgates> I'm sure it won't boot then...
[01:09] <Xgates> I forgot what's 13.10 called?
[01:09] <Bin64> SaberX01: I find a good keyword: honeypot;)
[01:09] <Bin64> that's what I was looking for
[01:09] <k1l_> Xgates: saucy
[01:09] <Xgates> k1l_: yes I know it's not in 12.04 I was talking about the newer versions...
[01:10] <Xgates> oh it's not in saucy anymore?
[01:10] <k1l_> Xgates: but they changed the lens and scopes in 13.10
[01:10] <qin> Bin64: nc is good enough to make honeypot
[01:10] <k1l_> Xgates: just disable the overall online search in privacy settings or disable the specific scope you dont want.
[01:10] <Xgates> k1l_: so is there still some of this issue still in 13.10, I believe it was related to Amazon when you do searches they keep them
[01:11] <k1l_> Xgates: its no magic needed.
[01:11] <Bin64> qin: not for ssh (but if you know how, I want to know :))
[01:11] <k1l_> Xgates: dont follow the shitstorms blindly
[01:11] <Xgates> is it the same like 12.04 in Privacy just turn the 'Record Activity' off?
[01:12] <k1l_> Xgates: it was all the time.
[01:13] <Xgates> ok you said  online search which I didn't seem mention of that by name...
[01:13] <Xgates> seem/see...
[01:14] <Xgates> let me go check out UEFI and this CMS mode if this helps
[01:14] <Xgates> thanks TJ-, bekks and k1l_
[01:14] <Xgates> brb
[01:14] <Bo__> Hello, everytime I try to install Ubuntu via thumb drive to my laptop, I get an "unrecoverable error happened during installation" and I can only run on live mode
[01:15] <ObrienDave> Bo__, check MD5 sum. sounds like a bad D/L
[01:15] <qin> Bin64: nc -l 22; but if you want play with ssh intrusion, you can hoop uk scripts via iptables, very unsafe even if you thik you know what are you doing
[01:16] <Bin64> qin: No, I want to manage the complete ssh connection
[01:16] <Bo__> When I'm running live mode, I can't seem to be able to access the hard drive either. I'm pretty sure the DL is fine because I've used  the same thumb drive to install ubuntu on a different laptop before
[01:16] <qin> Bin64: than create user
[01:17] <qin> Bo__: can you have a look into smart data in Disk utility
[01:17] <Bin64> so easy, i prefer create fake server for high security
[01:18] <SaberX01> Bin64, Can you provide us with a link to what your calling a Fake Server .. I'm baffled by that term.
[01:18] <qin> Bin64: where did you got idea of fake ssh server? you mean virtual
[01:19] <loki_> how i can swtich off acceleration in flash?
[01:19] <loki_> i use chromium
[01:19] <loki_> and when i try to switch it off  i see window, but can't uncheck it)
[01:19] <qin> Bin64: for better security use fail2ban or knockd
[01:20] <Bin64> SaberX01: you think you connect to a real ssh server, but behind it there is a simple script to log logins, password, and commands.
[01:21] <qin> Bin64: man netcat
[01:21] <Bin64> qin: yes, of course, but then, the principle is to make a honeypot
[01:21] <Bin64> qin: netcat does not simulate a ssh service
[01:21] <Bin64> exemple for http, ftp, smtp : http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?272430-3-Honeypots-in-Python
[01:22] <Bin64> I try to do the same but ssh;)
[01:24] <SaberX01> Bin64, well I dont think that's possible via SSh without writing you own interface .. but you could create a chroot and install a bootstrap system in it. Manage access to it via SSH and a Specific user account on the primary server.
[01:25] <qin> Bin64: I think you have some reading adventure in front of yourself, perhaps you want to know that coming up with sensible solution may be quite profitable
[01:25] <Bin64> SaberX01: for obvious safety issue, I would prefer to avoid this solution and remain only in a simulated account :)
[01:25] <demophob_> "500107862016 bytes (500 GB) copied, 5894.87 s, 84.8 MB/s" using bs=16M -- so, 98 minutes ...
[01:26] <qin> Bin64: it is called jailshell
[01:27] <SaberX01> Bin64, then build a VPS, and create a demo server, I dont know of a solution to fit what your asking for given the constraints your listed, not to mention, I have no idea how the relates to Ubuntu support.
[01:28] <qin> SaberX01: haha
[01:29] <Bin64> I will continue my research, thank you for your time qin && SaberX01
[01:29] <damarusama> is there a simple way to remove any wm and start clean? I am to go with openbox or i3 and now I have xfce and gdm
[01:29] <gordonjcp> damarusama: install from the mini iso
[01:30] <damarusama> it's already install - it would be the easiest but I am on a weird arm machine
[01:30] <qin> damarusama: i thought you can gnome/kde openbox
[01:31] <damarusama> I guess I could, but I don't need any gnome or kde at this point
[01:32] <damarusama> is there some sort of gdm dpkp reconfigure
[01:33] <k1l_> just remove the xfce/xubuntu package and install the openbox or i3 package
[01:33] <damarusama> (I am stuck in the console with not access to my browser apart from w3m ... so appology for basic questions)
[01:33] <qin> damarusama: xinit and openbox; but not certain of effect
[01:35] <tacorwin> Damarusama: type "sudo apt-get remove xfce* xubuntu*" without the quotes. This will uninstall the WM/DM, but will also uninstall any package that has the word "xubuntu" and "xfce" in it.
[01:35] <SaberX01> I think, he needs to stop the current manager first, the dpkg-reconfigure <desired-wm>
[01:35] <SaberX01> *then dpkg .. ..
[01:36] <qin> damarusama: to be presice: xinit -- :1 vt8; and in xterm try to start openbox
[01:36] <damarusama> yeah X restart automatically when I try to stop it
[01:37] <qin> damarusama: sudo service lightdm/gdm/xdm stop; to stop x
[01:39] <damarusama> qin: ha thanks - that's a start :D
[01:40] <qin> damarusama: thanks, I have no clue how to have graphic login included in this
[01:41] <kain> hello guys, any idea why this command: sed -i "s/#archive_command = ''/archive_command = 'envdir /etc/wal-e.d/env wal-e wal-push %p'/" $CONF returns this error? sed: -e expression #1, char 53: unknown option to `s'
[01:42] <rotham> play --no-show-progress --null --channels 1 synth 200  sine 2000
[01:43] <rotham> how can i limit the duration of that cmd to 1 or 2 seconds
[01:43] <SaberX01> kain, try in #sed  or #bash ..
[01:43] <rotham> nm got it
[01:43] <kain> thanks SaberX01
[02:02] <cauthon> I have an Ubuntu server, and I just got a new machine I'd like to take its place. I just want to clone the entire hard drive to the one in the new machine, over the network. I have LiveCDs running on both, with OpenSSH server running and ready to go. How do I accomplish that?
[02:07] <qin> cauthon: dd over ssh in one solution, unison or rsync another. copying image over network have some simple failbacks, sync needs more preps
[02:07] <SaberX01> cauthon, for package selections: Original Box: dpkg --get-selections > OrigBoxSelections .. then on the new box: sudo apt-get install < OrigBoxSlections  .. that's a start but not all inclusive.
[02:08] <gmachine_24> greetings earthlings. If I install 12.04 LTS can I us the Cinnamon desktop with this? Thanks.
[02:08] <gmachine_24> *use
[02:08] <qin> SaberX01: he is using live systems
[02:08] <hitsujiTMO> gmachine_24: cinnamon  is lnly available in 13.10 repos
[02:08] <lotuspsychje> !info cinnamon | gmachine_24
[02:09] <hitsujiTMO> only*
[02:09] <cauthon> qin: Any disadvantages to dd over ssh? Seems like the simplest idea. Will that get me GRUB and everything so I literally just reboot into the same machine?
[02:09] <gmachine_24> so that would be a no. thank you. :-) and happy holidaze
[02:09] <SaberX01> qin, cauthon, here's a similar example of what I was referring to .. with bit more detail
[02:10] <SaberX01> http://eggsonbread.com/2010/01/28/move-ubuntu-to-another-computer-in-3-simple-steps/
[02:10] <qin> cauthon: pretty much if connection drops you have to restart proces, plus some hardware may deliver trouble
[02:11] <cauthon> qin: Hardware? You mean the system may have been set up to recognize the old machine's hardware and I wouldn't have a way of configuring it for the new hardware?
[02:11] <cauthon> SaberX01: Thanks, that's a good idea if just cloning the drive isn't an option
[02:12] <qin> cauthon: if you copr
[02:12] <qin> cauthon: if you copy raw image of odl system, yes, you will have to reconfigure it on first boot
[02:12] <lotuspsychje> is there a GUI package to optimize ssd tweaks in ubuntu?
[02:13] <cauthon> qin: Any idea what's involved in that? I imagine it's just triggering whatever process discovers your hardware in the installation process, but I have no idea how that's done
[02:14] <SaberX01> That' looks simple in the installer, but there is allot going on behind the scenes with HW detection & configuration.
[02:15] <qin> cauthon: well, firslt arch (assuming it is the same), nic, lvm, and app speecific configs
[02:16] <bravo_> anyone know ajax?
[02:16] <GeonoTRON2000> I have a pretty serious problem.
[02:17] <SaberX01> cauthon, may have missed this, is are the boxes servers or workstation ?
[02:17] <lotuspsychje> GeonoTRON2000: share it with us please
[02:17] <SaberX01> !details | GeonoTRON2000
[02:17] <cummseng> How do i stop pulseaudio from changing the default device? It changes everytime i restart my pc
[02:18] <cauthon> SaberX01: Servers. Well, glorified 5-year-old Windows boxes, but servers nonetheless.
[02:18] <GeonoTRON2000> I've installed ubuntu on a lenovo yoga 2 pro, and now when I start it up the screen goes black.
[02:18] <lotuspsychje> GeonoTRON2000: ubuntu version plz?
[02:18] <GeonoTRON2000> 13.10
[02:18] <lotuspsychje> !sound | cummseng
[02:19] <SaberX01> !nomodeset  | GeonoTRON2000 SOme options to look at:
[02:19] <Darkfire> !players
[02:19] <lotuspsychje> GeonoTRON2000: can you still enter grub?
[02:19] <cauthon> SaberX01: qin: Both are 64-bit systems, but one is an Intel laptop and the other is an AMD desktop
[02:20] <GeonoTRON2000> I don't believe it's a problem with the drivers, actually
[02:20] <david[1]> Hello, the program I'm trying to install (Adobe InDesign CS 6) states that it requires an Intel Pentium 4 processor or an AMD Athlon 64 processor, and a 16-bit graphics card
[02:20] <david[1]> I'm not sure how to check if my computer meets those requirements.
[02:20] <GeonoTRON2000> when I close the lid for a while and then open, the login screen flashes, then goes back to black
[02:20] <david[1]> My processor is listed as an Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2410m CPU
[02:20] <tacorwin> That my friend is a comparability issue with your driver. I had the same problem
[02:21] <tacorwin> Compatibility*^
[02:21] <cummseng> lotuspsychje, none of those links help. My sound is working perfectly, it's just that it switches to another sound card when i reboot, i then have to switch it back to the preferred device.
[02:21] <david[1]> Any idea if that processor would meet the requirements?
[02:21] <lotuspsychje> cummseng: can you disable the non-used sound card in bios?
[02:21] <cauthon> david[1]: Sounds good, i5 is significantly faster than a Pentium 4
[02:22] <david[1]> cauthon: Thanks. Any idea how I could check the 16-bit graphics card part?
[02:22] <cummseng> lotuspsychje, i can but i need it
[02:22] <cauthon> david[1]: AFAIK as long as your driver is correct, you'll be good on that as well.
[02:22] <david[1]> cauthon: Okay, thanks!
[02:22] <lotuspsychje> cummseng: you have 2 diff soundcards that you use togheter then?
[02:23] <cummseng> lotuspsychje, one is only ever used at a time. i switch between the two.
[02:23] <GeonoTRON2000> I've gotten it to boot once, and it said there were no additional drivers
[02:23] <lotuspsychje> cummseng: not sure how ubuntu acts on that, lemme lookup a few
[02:24] <lotuspsychje> GeonoTRON2000: try booting a kernel in recoverymode failsafeX from grub
[02:24] <Darkfire> GeonoTRON2000: check step 4, hope it helps http://datainfer.wordpress.com/2013/11/21/install-ubuntu-on-ideapad-yoga-2-pro/
[02:24] <GeonoTRON2000> the problem is, I don't get a grub menu either
[02:24] <david[1]> cauthon: Wait sorry, I made a mistake. It states that it needs a 16-bit graphics adapter, not a 16-bit graphics card.
[02:25] <lotuspsychje> GeonoTRON2000: you cant enter grub by holding shift?
[02:25] <GeonoTRON2000> I can't.
[02:25] <david[1]> cauthon: Does that make a difference to your earlier statement that the correct driver should do the trick?
[02:25] <lotuspsychje> cummseng: maybe this can help? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=922860
[02:26] <SaberX01> cauthon, bottom line is, it really depends on two majaor factors, as to which is the best way to go, the level of customization on Box1 and the Hardware deltas between Box1 & Box2 .. Sometimes, a new install with simple data backups is the easiest way to go.
[02:26] <lotuspsychje> !info paprefs | cummseng
[02:27] <lotuspsychje> cummseng: you should be able to config multiple cards with this tool, didnt test myself..
[02:27] <david[1]> cauthon: Never mind, I just googled and realized that adapter and card refer to the same thing in this context. Oops.
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> GeonoTRON2000: i doubt you cant enter grub, you sure you hold shift long enough at boot?
[02:29] <cauthon> SaberX01: Right. I have custom configs scattered throughout the machine, it's a plex server, openvpn, connects to my NAS to get to the media stored on it, a million other things, and I just don't want to reconfigure everything
[02:30] <cauthon> I suppose I could do a fresh install, add all packages from the machine using that article, copy /etc/*, and hope for the best
[02:30] <GeonoTRON2000> I've held shift until it plays the login screen music, so yeah.
[02:30] <SaberX01> cauthon, defiantely, do the base install then use that dpkg -get-selections to get additional packages and configs for you.
[02:31] <lotuspsychje> GeonoTRON2000: if you can boot ubuntu till login, you should at least be able to enter grub
[02:31] <GeonoTRON2000> when exactly should I hold shift?
[02:31] <cauthon> SaberX01: There's also custom scripts scattered throughout the /etc folders that do various things, etc. So to confirm, there's no way to dd the entire drive and then just run whatever hardware discovery process the original installation process runs? Seems like there has to be an easier way than a fresh install
[02:32] <pgar23> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2196089&p=12884589#post12884589
[02:32] <lotuspsychje> GeonoTRON2000: the moment you hit power button/post boot
[02:33] <jaco> salut à tous
[02:33] <SaberX01> cauthon, I've only used dd a few time, and nothing wiht any sorts of complexity to it, maybe some of these other guys, I've not though. I do know dd is an exact copy.
[02:33] <jaco> okj on est pas du tout sur le server francophone
[02:33] <cauthon> (I know I can try the dd over ssh and pray it works, but if there's a hardware issue, I'm thinking there has to be something like 're-check all my hardware and do the right thing' command. You know, the easy button. :) )
[02:33] <lotuspsychje> !fr | jaco
[02:33] <lotuspsychje> GeonoTRON2000: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[02:34] <SaberX01> cauthon, If you plan on doing this routinely, or maybe on critical services, Look at the Landscape applicaiton.
[02:34] <Griz64> hey gang. i need an assist with HDMI audio. "aplay -l"  lists  card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]   and  "speaker-test -c 2 -r 48000 -D hw:0,3"  DOES give me the 'static' that it's supposed to but when I look under the CONFIGURATION tab in pavucontrol, there is NO HDMI device listed and none of my audio apps seem to recognize that it exists. ATT i'm running KDE on a 12.04.3 and full up-to-date. can any of you help shed some light on this iss
[02:34] <Griz64> ue?
[02:34] <GeonoTRON2000> just restarted the computer, held shift from power to login and no grub
[02:34] <lotuspsychje> SaberX01: can he use aptoncd on his remote machine to speed things up?
[02:34] <cauthon> SaberX01: Heard about that, thanks, I'll check that out.
[02:35] <lotuspsychje> !sound | Griz64
[02:35] <Bashing-om> cauthon, Another consideration with dd - makes an exact copy - on the target machine the UUIDs for fstab and grub will have to be changed to reflect the new environment ,
[02:36] <SaberX01> lotuspsychje, From all he's said, it's not simply the apps that are of concern, custom scripts, config data, stuff like that, just not sure.
[02:36] <lotuspsychje> GeonoTRON2000: how about hitting shift alot
[02:36] <Griz64> lotuspsychje, those sites were of no use (to date). any other references to look into?
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> Griz64: you installed your sound driver?
[02:37] <mattwj2002> hi all what is the current status of burning bluray video disc in ubuntu?
[02:38] <lotuspsychje> mattwj2002: did you try burning one with brasero?
[02:38] <Griz64> lotuspsychje, well, internal audio works 5x5 and the usb headset does also, so i would have to say "Yes, I have sound drivers installed."
[02:38] <mattwj2002> brasero I want to take some mpeg2 files and burn them to disc
[02:38] <GeonoTRON2000> I'm just gonna close and open it a lot until I get access again...
[02:38] <cauthon> Bashing-om: Interesting, thanks.
[02:39] <Darkfire> GeonoTRON2000: hmmm have you tried ctrl + alt + F1 when it's at the black screen?
[02:39] <mattwj2002> not as in data but as in a video that can be played in a bluray player
[02:39] <Darkfire> GeonoTRON2000: if you are lucky you'll get a console to work with
[02:39] <GeonoTRON2000> ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't seem to do anything
[02:40] <Griz64> lotuspsychje, am i incorrect in my thinking?
[02:40] <mattwj2002> lotuspsychje: does Brasero have native support?
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> Griz64: not sure mate, whats your purpose of pavucontrol?
[02:41] <SaberX01> K3B sudpports it,
[02:41] <cauthon> Leaning towards a fresh install and some judicious SCP'ing of /etc subdirectories not
[02:41] <lotuspsychje> mattwj2002: you have a bluray burner ?
[02:41] <Griz64> lotuspsychje, specifying what program (e.g. Skype, mplayer, vlc, etc) use which audio device.
[02:42] <mattwj2002> yup
[02:42] <lotuspsychje> mattwj2002: if you have a bluray burner, you should be able to burn some right
[02:42] <mattwj2002> I have no media
[02:43] <Guest6627> hello how's it going? I am using Ubuntu 13.10 and am having an issue. Amazon and Ubuntu one will not go away. No matter what I do I can't delete them. When I go to the Ubuntu menu and try right clicking there is no remove option, only  a launch option. How can I make these go away?
[02:43] <GeonoTRON2000> I've got a console via SSH, what do I do from here?
[02:43] <mattwj2002> I am just wondering about how to author a Video BluRay in Ubuntu
[02:43] <mattwj2002> original design
[02:43] <lotuspsychje> Griz64: maybe this can help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/166953/how-to-make-pavucontrol-changes-permanent
[02:44] <lotuspsychje> !bluray | mattwj2002
[02:45] <SaberX01> cauthon, this is an areas that sysadmins CIO's and the links spend allto of time hashing out long before the decisions to purchase HW is ever made, just to ensure smooth transitions.
[02:45] <SaberX01> *and the like .. ..
[02:45] <lotuspsychje> GeonoTRON2000: what does lshw -C video show after driver=
[02:46] <Griz64> lotuspsychje, Thank You, that turned on a couple of lights and I was able to track down where the issue lay. Good Job! Have a Grand New Year!
[02:47] <cauthon> SaberX01: I'd expect it to be a solved problem at this point, but I'm not surprised. One of those things that's harder than it looks I guess.
[02:47] <lotuspsychje> !yay | Griz64
[02:48] <GeonoTRON2000> the problem is fixed, thanks everybody!
[02:48] <cauthon> SaberX01: This is one of those things that makes me want to run this in a VM, but not certain media transcoding would do well in that kind of an environment
[02:48] <SaberX01> cauthon, for the little guys it's a problem, for big guys, they have the resources / manpower to make things go allot easier, allto of times the whole thing is outsourced, depending on the scale of the project.
[02:49] <cauthon> SaberX01: Plus they're solving the same problem once for dozens of machines, instead of once for one machine
[02:49] <cauthon> Makes sense
[02:49] <SaberX01> yes, onzy, twozy is painfull ..
[02:50] <TJ-> cauthon: If you're cloning the raw drives, once the clone is done if the old server is being retired you don't need to change anything. If you intend keeping both running you need to change hostname and any statically allocated IPs.
[02:50] <cauthon> Note to self: Buy powerful enough Synology NAS that it can run Plex on itself :)
[02:51] <cauthon> TJ-: Really? If there's a possibility of it working, I'll let it dd overnight. Worst case I can go the clean install route. I am indeed retiring the old server.
[02:51] <lotuspsychje> !info partimage | cauthon
[02:52] <TJ-> cauthon: The only reason you might want to do more would be if you were cloning disks in the same system and would end up with conflicting file-system IDs... but as this a network clone-and-retire, you don't need to change anything on the new clone. Just change things on the old system (new hostname and IP and stop its services)
[02:52] <cauthon> TJ-: Old system is running a LiveCD just incase it decided to write to a file while it was being dd'ed over. Cool, I'll give it a try.
[02:54] <TJ-> cauthon: For speed, I'd always just plug the old hard disk directly into the new system temporarily, and do a very fast dd clone
[02:55] <cauthon> TJ-: I'd like to, but don't have a way of connecting the laptop drive into the system
[02:55] <SaberX01> cauthon, buy a scalable system, one you can add CPU's too, increase RAM need, expand the disk array ..  ;--)
[02:55] <Guest82237> hgyg
[02:56] <cauthon> SaberX01: Looking forward to the cash to do that :)
[02:56] <TJ-> cauthon: annoying! I have a machine dedicated to the task called 'caddy' with every conceivable interface and hot-swap bays
[02:57] <cauthon> TJ-: Nice, that's a great idea
[02:57] <SaberX01> cauthon, thats the nice thing about it, you can start small and increase over time, server dont need the latest and greatest .. just need to be robust and scalable.
[02:57] <TJ-> cauthon: Is your network gigabit or fast ethernet ?
[02:58] <cauthon> TJ-: Nope, I have an ancient Linksys with 10/100. Works for 1080p video (barely) but hobbles my NAS
[02:58] <TJ-> cauthon: because if it isn't gigabit you might benefit from using compression (either "ssh -C" or "dd ... | gzip | ssh ...")
[02:58] <cauthon> Ah good to know
[03:06] <cauthon> Out of curiosity, for those who run Ubuntu servers as a NAS with a RAID array, what do you use for RAID? I'm a huge fan of Synology, being able to add drives at will and not lose any capacity, but don't know if there's an equivalent
[03:06] <cauthon> I checked out FreeNAS and it was a cool toy, but the need for ECC ram and lots of it dissuaded me
[03:09] <SaberX01> Depends on your level of fault tolerance, RAID5,6,10 fault disks 1,2,1 .. and of course how padded the wallet is :-)
[03:11] <Naddiseo> How can I configure xorg to use two devices with different drivers (radeon + fglrx)? xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/6647621/  xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/6647611/
[03:11] <SaberX01> cauthon, the guys over a Nix have a pretty good explanation of 5 v.s. 10: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/raid5-vs-raid-10-safety-performance.html
[03:15] <SaberX01> Naddiseo, while I dont have the answer your seeking, one or the other is rough enough, good luck :-)
[03:17] <cauthon> SaberX01: Thanks, is there an equivalent to Synology Hybrid RAID? IE software RAID with 1-disk failure tolerance, with no loss of capacity except for that of the largest drive in the array, and the ability to hot swap in new drives and expand capacity of an existing array?
[03:18] <cauthon> I thought I remembered seeing the vaunted "Synology Hybrid RAID" was just a nickname for an existing Linux technology that's out there and free/OSS, but can't remember the name
[03:20] <M4dH4TT3r> 1+0?
[03:21] <SonikkuAmerica> 10 :)
[03:25] <demophobia> Should I select 'Security: WPA & WPA2 Personal' for a wireless connection whose security is 'WPA2-PSK [AES]'?
[03:26] <demophobia> There is also the option 'WPA & WPA2 Enterprise', which I think is something else ...
[03:26] <cauthon> demophobia: Right, you want personal
[03:26] <cauthon> Enterprise is for when there's a server that hands out per-device credentials, not a pre-shared key (PSK)
[03:26] <SaberX01> cauthon, I'd get a nice LSI, 3ware or Adaptec controller that supports RAID10 and call it a day, being sure to check that's it's Linux supported of course :-)
[03:27] <demophobia> Thank you. I'm still working to get wireless internet working; I will now try a different wireless adapter. Thank you, cauthon: That was my impression.
[03:30] <cauthon> SaberX01: Can RAID10 really expand on-demand? My impression is once you have the array, you're stuck with it unless your RAID controller happens to allow that in a non-standard way
[03:31] <SaberX01> cauthon, On demand as in by usage ? not sure about that one, but adding mroe drive over time is simple.
[03:32] <cauthon> Oh, you can add more drives. Okay, thanks, I'll have to look into it. I'm just about to fill the Synology I have, so it's between buying one with more bays or moving over to my Ubuntu server for the NAS
[03:33] <SaberX01> cauthon, it's up to you really whatever is easier to mange, backup and expand for you as the admin is what you should get. What works for one applicaiton may not be ideal for another.
[03:42] <demophobia> Thank you again for your help. I have now connected to the internet and am downloading updates.
[03:43] <demophobia> Please say a prayer for me that this hard drive is not damaged, that it was only some corrupt Windows registry files ...
[03:44] <mikeb2013> hi everyone
[03:44] <mikeb2013> i cant get any sound on a lubuntu box
[03:45] <mikeb2013> but i know it works because it works when i boot into another os
[03:46] <mikeb2013> anybody have any ideas- i have tried everything that i could find on google
[03:46] <mattwj2002> hi guys I need help with a dependency issue.....I am using mythbuntu not ubuntu help please!
[03:46] <mattwj2002> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mythtv/2012-July/000841.html
[03:46] <mattwj2002> that is my issue
[03:48] <Bashing-om> demophobia: prayer done, "dd" is good about reclaiming sectors .
[03:48] <mattwj2002> is there a way to skip a single dependency?
[03:52] <n00d> well
[03:53] <demophobia> Bashing-om: Thank you. 😊
[03:56] <linuxdog> yo
[03:57] <mattwj2002> yo linuxdog
[03:57] <duhamel> hi all. i have radeon HD 7560d onboard with using flgrx-updates additional driver. hooked up to tv with HDMI the test button under sound menu gives audio but i dont get it anywhere else
[03:57] <duhamel> any ideas
[03:57] <mattwj2002> I figured it out
[03:57] <M4dH4TT3r> anyone here familar with ubuntu-touch or wrong chan?
[03:58] <mattwj2002> quiet room....why?
[03:58] <duhamel> really quiet
[03:58] <M4dH4TT3r> all went quiet about 30mins ago...
[03:58] <mattwj2002> weird
[03:58] <linuxdog> Ok
[03:58] <linuxdog> Having an issue with a Dell Inspirion 8500
[03:58] <mattwj2002> everyone is here but no one is talking
[03:58] <M4dH4TT3r> guessing theres a superbowl or something
[03:58] <linuxdog> will not boot from USB or DVD
[03:58] <jj1234> is Network Manager no longer a service in 13.10?  I can't seem to be able to restart it
[03:58] <mattwj2002> no super
[03:59] <mattwj2002> bowl
[03:59] <linuxdog> LOL
[03:59] <linuxdog> Why watch the super bowl? All the commercials on on Youtube! :)
[03:59] <mattwj2002> audio is broke is 13.10
[03:59] <M4dH4TT3r> Dell inspiron use A:
[03:59] <n00d> anyone can give me greasemonkey scripting help?
[03:59] <duhamel> linuxdog: can you boot off harddrive? is bios working?
[03:59] <linuxdog> YEs
[03:59] <linuxdog> Set the BIOS
[03:59] <linuxdog> Damn thing says "load error - boot error"
[03:59] <M4dH4TT3r> lithium ok?
[04:00] <M4dH4TT3r> ramm error
[04:00] <linuxdog> duhaml, think it won't work
[04:00] <demophobia> Should I be concerned that, after clicking "Install Updates" for "204 updates", the 'Applying changes' window says only 'Waiting' with no action in the progress bar, with a triangle with grey 'Details' text unresponsive to click (which click I think should open a window displaying text about the progress)?
[04:00] <duhamel> how did you make bootable usb? unetbootin?
[04:00] <linuxdog> Trying to install Lubuntu for fun
[04:00] <n00d> you dont talk about 'windows' here do you?
[04:01] <hkr> yo
[04:01] <mattwj2002> hi hkr
[04:01] <linuxdog> duhamel, Yes unetbootin double checked the md5sums
[04:01] <duhamel> hm..
[04:01] <linuxdog> duhamel, used brasero for the DVDs
[04:01] <duhamel> is legacy enabled in bios?
[04:02] <M4dH4TT3r> no windows is to easy
[04:02] <duhamel> uefi?
[04:02] <linuxdog> duhamel, What? I checked the md5sums before installing onto a DVD or USB
[04:02] <linuxdog> duhamel, unsure
[04:02] <linuxdog> duhamel, how would I check
[04:02] <Bashing-om>  demophobia; I would be concerned, give it a bit more time, fd non responsive, close it out, and open terminal -> sudo apt-get update , sudo apt-get upgrade <-, advise if erors shown.
[04:03] <linuxdog> how do I use this in XCHAT?
[04:03] <duhamel> yeah, but if it is a UEFI bios sometimes binaries are whitelisted and you have to play with bios settings. Is it a windows 8 machine?
[04:03] <demophobia> 'fd' = 'if'?
[04:04] <duhamel> hi all. i have radeon HD 7560d onboard with using flgrx-updates additional driver. hooked up to tv with HDMI the test button under sound menu gives audio but i dont get it anywhere else does anybody have any suggestions
[04:05] <demophobia> Bashing-om: I've started a timer for 15 minutes. D'you think that is enough time for either 171.9-300 MB of updates to install, or for *something* to happen with the 'Applying changes' window? I think perhaps some glitch occurred with authenticating: I may have interacted with the Update Manager at the same time that language updates were installing (apparently in relation to Settings' Language preferences and LibreO
[04:05] <demophobia> ffice).
[04:05] <Bashing-om> demophobia; fd = if .. affirmative, sorry thought I "looked".
[04:05] <duhamel> linuxdog: in UEFI bios sometimes binaries are whitelisted and you have to play with bios settings. Is it a windows 8 machine?
[04:05] <linuxdog> duhamel, Windows XP pos, it's like 9 years old
[04:05] <n00d> linuxdog i use ADIIRC on linux
[04:06] <linuxdog> n00d, is that easier to use
[04:06] <Bashing-om> demophobia; 15 minutes is more than I would allow for something to happen on my system(s) .
[04:06] <cvtsx> ubuntu is def the best OS ;)
[04:07] <linuxdog> n00d, then xchat
[04:07] <n00d> idk about that never used xhcat
[04:08] <duhamel> i wish wilee-nilee was here. he'd know what to do!
[04:08] <demophobia> (Well, it's already been five minutes ...)
[04:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Wha-huh? Did I miss something?
[04:11] <mintydog> What up
[04:12] <demophobia> Bashing-om: I opened the Ubuntu Software Center and there is an "Applying changes" progress bar about 85% completed.
[04:12] <Bashing-om> demophobia; Think it is now time enough, Close out USC - gracefully - I would go to terminal amd see what I could find for a status on the package management system, advised up commands.
[04:12] <demophobia> This progress bar seems to imply that the updates are installing, but shouldn't I be concerned that the window popped up by the Update Manager became non-responsive? ...
[04:13] <Bashing-om> demophobia; ZFR my last ! .. will take a wait and see attitude !
[04:13] <Guinan> I just tried 'upgrading' my  Eee 1000HD (900 mhz celeron) from Ubuntu Precise to Lubuntu Saucy. I'm really not liking LXDE. Can anyone recommend a lightweight alternative that works like Unity?
[04:13] <demophobia> likewise, i had firefox open, and a black bar near the top came up 'your browser has been updated and needs to be restarted' ... which i think is more evidence that updates are being installed
[04:13] <demophobia> I don't understand what that last comment means, "ZFR my last !" etc
[04:14] <Bashing-om> demophobia; Yeah .. looking better allah the time .
[04:16] <Bashing-om> demophobia; Not to be concerned with ZFR .. short hand for "disregard" . I get in too big of a hurry sometimes !
[04:16] <demophobia> Ok, thank you.
[04:17] <M4dH4TT3r> allah like the koran?
[04:17] <demophobia> D: not sure if good: had to restart to finish updating, and 4 messages popped up briefly during the bootup screen which i didn't have time to read, indicating that multiple things had been disabled
[04:18] <Guinan> allah like allah yall should listen
[04:18] <M4dH4TT3r> Terrorist!
[04:18] <Guinan> M4dH4TT3r, have you lost allah yo marbles?
[04:19] <duhamel> I have audio through HDMI except in browser and netflix ubuntu 13.10 proprietary amd drivers flgrx-updates. any ideas
[04:19] <linuxdog> duhamel, What does pressing A do on a Dell Inspiron
[04:19]  * M4dH4TT3r watching as old ladies violently attack Guinan
[04:19] <duhamel> should out put an "a"
[04:19] <linuxdog> duhamel, Didn't medibuntu stop supporting some hardware
[04:19] <Bashing-om> demophobia; Well. Reboot once more, then let's look, ->sudo apt-get update , sudo apt-get upgrade <- , see what the PM has to say.
[04:19] <M4dH4TT3r> linuxdog nothing I bthink that is a repeat of my mentioning A:\
[04:20] <linuxdog> duhamel, when?
[04:20]  * Guinan needs unity-2d for this old dog of a  machine
[04:20] <linuxdog> M4dH4TT3r, Oh ok
[04:20] <M4dH4TT3r> depending on age i recommend Damn Small Linux
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> !ot | M4dH4TT3r
[04:21] <M4dH4TT3r> did I just get highlighted for cussing a linux flavor?
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[04:23] <M4dH4TT3r> ok no idea what the point of that was...
[04:23] <diped327600> M4dH4TT3r: You trust obama.
[04:23] <somsip> !ot | diped327600
[04:25] <diped327600> Wow that floodbot got a work out
[04:26] <n00d> diped327600 Please prove that trusting Brobama has anything to do with Ubuntu.
[04:26] <n00d> then we can talk.
[04:26] <TheLordOfTime> o.O
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> hinet... sounds like a botnet flood
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> !ops
[04:27] <M4dH4TT3r> lol floodbot heard you
[04:27] <TheLordOfTime> lotuspsychje: i think the floodbots're handling it...
[04:27] <Bashing-om> demophobia; did you also survive the flooding, are we still togather ?
[04:27] <TheLordOfTime> lotuspsychje: no need to ping the ops yet.
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> TheLordOfTime: cant harm that ops knowing this
[04:28] <diped327600> It's probably that Arab flooding the room.
[04:28] <TheLordOfTime> lotuspsychje: IIRC the floodbots notify the ops about things...
[04:28] <linuxdog> never seen spammers on IRC
[04:28] <TheLordOfTime> but lets not comment on the spam, back to Ubuntu :P
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> good idea
[04:28] <TheLordOfTime> and helping people.
[04:28] <demophobia> Bashing-om: Yes. brb. :)
[04:29] <Bashing-om> demophobia; good, awaiting what the PM has to say from update/upgrade commands.
[04:30] <demophobia> What is PM?
[04:30] <MrSalt> I'm connecting for the first time via weechat, and we're hit by spammers.  Coicencence?
[04:31] <somsip> MrSalt: yes. Back on topic now...
[04:31] <M4dH4TT3r> good
[04:31] <diped327600> I think it's M4dH4TT3r flooding the room
[04:32] <n00d> ^
[04:32] <demophobia> Bashing-om, what do you mean by PM?
[04:33] <n00d> demophobia she meant private message
[04:33] <demophobia> That's what I thought, but I was confused because I don't see any private message.
[04:35] <Bashing-om> demophobia; If there is any existent problems with updates, the Package Manager will be aware of it, and when -> sudo apt-get update , sudo apt-get upgrade <- is issued if there are problems, there will be advisories generated to that terminal in that output.
[04:36] <M4dH4TT3r> everybody done flooding now?
[04:37] <M4dH4TT3r> guess not...
[04:38] <jellow> glad that is over perhaps time to turn off text to voice
[04:38] <M4dH4TT3r> lmao
[04:38] <M4dH4TT3r> perhaps
[04:38] <M4dH4TT3r> looks like floodbots are coming back
[04:39] <researcher1231> how to install Ubuntu 32 bits from recently installed 64 bits?
[04:39] <M4dH4TT3r> with 32 bit image...
[04:40] <M4dH4TT3r> here we go
[04:40] <researcher1231> M4dH4TT3r: But will it erase earlier without deleting download n document folder?
[04:41] <demophobia> Bashing-om, I just ran 'sudo apt-get update' in terminal and didn't see anything noteworthy except one 'Ign' where the others said 'Hit'
[04:41] <jellow> researcher1231: you need to install a32-libs
[04:41] <demophobia> How do I install the Japanese keyboard layouts that Mac OS X has?
[04:42] <researcher1231> when I install a 32 bit on 64 bit will my earlier programs,download n document folder remain unaffected?
[04:42] <Bashing-om> demophobia; ign is OK .. ign == ignore .. as in presently not concerned. Now the biggy -> sudo apt-get upgrade <- .
[04:43] <jellow> researcher1231: I recommend you take frequent backups but yet it should be fine , it only a package
[04:43] <demophobia> Bashing-om, says 'Reading package lists... Done / Building dependency tree / Reading state information ... Done / 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.'
[04:44] <xoc__> hey I have like 1gig left on my hdd but apt-get is saying my stuff is full and cannot install stuff; what is the deal
[04:44] <Bashing-om> demophobia; installing alternate keyboard layouts is not in the sphere of my knowledge, I just know that it can be done.
[04:44] <xoc__> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: unable to create `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i': No space left on device
[04:44] <xoc__> how do I get more space?
[04:44] <researcher1231> jellow: Last time I took backup (from 12.10)  but unable to restore (on 13.10)
[04:45] <Bashing-om> demophobia; That means you are DONE ... up and running .. system is HAppy Happy Happy !
[04:45] <M4dH4TT3r> buy a bigger hdd
[04:45] <xoc__> M4dH4TT3r: what can I do to see what the hell is taking up all this space
[04:46] <xoc__> i want to delete stuff
[04:46] <SarahX> Anyone play dayz here? this dude is streaming it atm and wondering if anyone else plays it? http://www.twitch.tv/fragshackgamers
[04:48] <somsip> !ot | SarahX
[04:48] <Bashing-om> xoc__ : What returns from terminal commands ->df -h , df -i <- relates where the space is taken up.
[04:48] <SarahX> thx
[04:49] <somsip> xoc__: do you have /var/lib on a separate partition? You could try sudo apt-get clean to reclaim some space
[04:50] <demophobia> :D Thank you so much! <3
[04:50] <demophobia> Regarding Japanese, I am now following http://www.tofugu.com/guides/type-japanese-ubuntu/
[04:51] <Bashing-om> demophobia; Glad to be of help. ubuntu, one for all and all for 1 .
[04:53] <demophobia> I'm having trouble getting a last.fm radio station to play on Rhythmbox ... Is this a known issue/
[04:53] <demophobia> ?
[04:55] <linux_unix-10> is it possible to make an ubuntu touch build for qvga?
[04:55] <somsip> !touch | linux_unix-10
[04:55] <jj1234> is Network Manager no longer a service in 13.10?  I can't seem to be able to restart it
[04:55] <stefanhc> Hello!
[04:58] <AndroidLoverInSF> if i upgrade ubuntu from 12.04 to 13.10 will it erase my fstab?
[04:59] <somsip> AndroidLoverInSF: no
[05:00] <AndroidLoverInSF> somsip, cool
[05:00] <ice799> Hi - I am trying to understand what the purpose of the 'Supported' tag in the file Packages which is generated by reprepro on Ubuntu
[05:01] <ice799> what is the proper channel to ask ubuntu specific reprepro questions in?
[05:02] <ramborocks> better yet
[05:02] <Bashing-om> AndroidLoverInSF > No it will not erase it .. however, good backups is always a good thing, prior to doing ANY big changes, make it so !
[05:02] <ramborocks> what are some good channels for tech advice
[05:02] <somsip> ice799: reprepro is a supported package so you can ask here
[05:02] <somsip> !ask | ramborocks
[05:02] <SaberX01> AndroidLoverInSF, doing more that two levels of upgrade generally not advised though, LTS to LTS well supported, but 04 all the way to 13.10 could be risky.
[05:03] <AndroidLoverInSF> SaberX01, thx for the warning,
[05:04] <ramborocks> so if android does switch can he just copy paste his old fstab?
[05:04] <AndroidLoverInSF> i lost my sound even though all the apps like kmix, pulse audio volume control, audio and video settings seem alright
[05:04] <ramborocks> i edited my fstab last night and got locked out and had to unmount / remount (after a hour on google trying to figure out) while locked out
[05:05] <AndroidLoverInSF> can i re-install something to just reset it easily
[05:06] <somsip> ramborocks: always backup system files when editing them. Always have a live cd/usb to hand to help if you need to recover
[05:08] <ramborocks> just got my first tablet, the droid 7 inch azpen
[05:08] <ramborocks> seems like a good little buy for $40.
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> ramborocks: plz keep this channel for ubuntu support only
[05:09] <ramborocks> anyone ever root it? or is it not necessary
[05:09] <somsip> ramborocks: offtopic chat is better in #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:09] <ramborocks> ok
[05:11] <M4dH4TT3r> wheres the corner?
[05:12] <M4dH4TT3r> I cant remember...
[05:12] <Hydr0p0nX>  running ubuntu 12.04 and to get hdmi audio out working I had to upgrade to kernel v. 3.11 and disable the proprietary nvidia driver. now, hd video playback is choppy
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> Hydr0p0nX: video on vlc or youtube?
[05:13] <Hydr0p0nX> mythtv
[05:13] <M4dH4TT3r> wheres the corner?
[05:13] <Dylann> Does anybody know if its possible to re-locate my wine installation from my SSD to HDD?
[05:13] <Hydr0p0nX> but it also seems to be locking up the machine from time to time
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> M4dH4TT3r: what corner?
[05:16] <SaberX01> Dylann, maybe better to ask in #winehq
[05:17] <Hydr0p0nX> kernel 3.8 w/ nvidia's driver is rock solid, but hdmi audio doesn't work ... the audio out not working with nvidia's driver seems to be a bug in nvidia's driver, based on a thread at nvidia's dev forums
[05:17] <ubuntu-gnome> using 13.10 livecd, my hdd access light is always on - I don't understand why disk would be accessed... any hints?
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> Hydr0p0nX: did you try nvidia-current?
[05:18] <Hydr0p0nX> yes
[05:18] <Hydr0p0nX> tried 304, 319, current, and 331.20
[05:19] <SaberX01> ubuntu-gnome, try looking in the system monitor for apps running in the background Dash >> System Monitor ..
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> Hydr0p0nX: what chipset of your card mate?
[05:20] <osubuntu> sudo apt-get moo returns nothing?
[05:21] <Hydr0p0nX> geforce 8200 / MCP78S
[05:21] <SaberX01> osubuntu, ok, I'll bite, what is moo ?
[05:22] <osubuntu> SaberX01, It should print "Have you mooed today?" but it prints nothing and returns error code 126
[05:22] <ubuntu-gnome> it used to be a joke feature in apt
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> Hydr0p0nX: not sure mate sorry
[05:23] <SaberX01> osubuntu, lol .. indeed it does, or at least mine does, had no idea that was there.
[05:23] <cauthon> Hydr0p0nX: I had the same issue, no audio via HDMI on a laptop with GeForce Go 7600
[05:23] <osubuntu> I checked the checksum of apt-get and it matches with the official one
[05:24] <Hydr0p0nX> i'm fine with using opensource driver if I can get it stable
[05:24] <Hydr0p0nX> oh wow
[05:24] <Hydr0p0nX> how'd i turn on the underline ?
[05:24] <diped327600> cauthon: audio on GeForce was not introduced until 200 series
[05:25] <diped327600> cauthon: thru hdmi
[05:25] <SaberX01> osubuntu, pass, no idea on that one, like I said, never knew it was there to begin with :-)
[05:26] <ubuntu-gnome> are there things that system monitor will show me that lsof won't catch? there are no hd volumes mounted, and unless sth has changed in the last three years, I believe livecd does not create or use swap files on windows or any other hdd partitions...
[05:27] <ubuntu-gnome> it's also not typical for the hdd light to be on permanently... I'm beginning to suspect that the light is being set to on in spite of no actual hdd activity... not sure if that's possible
[05:27] <Hydr0p0nX> fixed ?
[05:27] <Hydr0p0nX> k
[05:27] <Hydr0p0nX> not sure what happened there ...
[05:28] <cauthon> diped327600: This particular laptop seemed to have it, it was billed as an HTPC so it had audio via HDMI and included a remote control. May have been some proprietary HP voodoo. (Which may be why it didn't work in Linux.) http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-PC-Sound-and-Audio/No-Sound-from-HDMI-in-Win-7-Pavilion-9000-GeForce-7600/td-p/251333
[05:29] <SaberX01> ubuntu-gnome, I think, tho I'd have to verify it, LiveCD uses a temfs (ram) as necessary for caching / swap or whatever
[05:29] <ubuntu-gnome> yes, it does
[05:30] <ubuntu-gnome> fwiw, the hard drive doesn't seem to be heating up
[05:31] <SaberX01> ubuntu-gnome, you could do something like: iostat -d 10 /dev/sda  to see if any real r/w are happenign to the devices
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> Hydr0p0nX: did you test latest alsa drivers?
[05:32] <SaberX01> ubuntu-gnome, need ti install sysstat tho
[05:33] <Hydr0p0nX> using alsa 1.0.25 libraries
[05:33] <Hydr0p0nX> i'm not sure what version alsa modules ship with the 3.11 mainline
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> Hydr0p0nX: http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> Hydr0p0nX: ive read a few threads with users staying on best working nvidia driver and fixxing their also (some compile from source)
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> *alsa
[05:39] <ubuntu-gnome> SaberX01: hardly any sda activity, certainly doesn't justify the light being on... but just whose bug is this, now?
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> Hydr0p0nX: you also sure you got the right hdmi cable?
[05:39] <Hydr0p0nX> yep
[05:40] <Hydr0p0nX> like i said, with 3.11 and nouveau hdmi audio out works
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> ok
[05:40] <Hydr0p0nX> just choppy and unstable
[05:40] <SaberX01> ubuntu-gnome, maybe livecd-rootfs  .. just a guess but seems logical
[05:41] <Hydr0p0nX> I'm thinking instability could be due to either mismatch alsa driver / utilities or something a little "off" with the nouveau version provided by ubuntu and the kernel being a 3.11 instead of 3.8
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> Hydr0p0nX: there is also a stuttering alinea here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> Hydr0p0nX: not sure if this is your case
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> Hydr0p0nX: also interesting: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/NVidiaProprietaryDriver#Choppy_video.2FHigh_CPU_Usage
[05:45] <Hydr0p0nX> not seeing high cpu utilization
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> yes but choppy video yes
[05:45] <Hydr0p0nX> only issue i have with the proprietary drive is no audio out over hdmi
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> Hydr0p0nX: seems like common issues, our not the only one so it seems
[05:46] <Hydr0p0nX> yea the fun of "old" hardware
[05:47] <FireStorms> Hey, I had my HDD partitioned for Ubuntu/Windows but I deleted my Windows partition. I'm now wanting to give CentOS a try in VMware so I need the extra disk space back. Can I expand my Ubuntu partition? And does anyone know, in VMware, is it possible to drag and drop files, from the host to the virtual OS such as my firefox bookmarks?
[05:47] <Hydr0p0nX> if i could find a spdif header for it , i wouldn't care
[05:48] <Hydr0p0nX> FireStorms, you can grow the partition with a bootable gparted disk, but there is a risk of corruption (i've never had a problem with it)
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> FiremanEd: you can expand partitions with gparted if you like
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> FireStorms: oops that was for you
[05:49] <Hydr0p0nX> vmware generally won't copy/paste from host to guest directly
[05:49] <FireStorms> Hydr0p0nX, lotuspsychje thank you :)
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> Hydr0p0nX: you ever got it working on other ubuntu versions?
[05:50] <Hydr0p0nX> it worked on 13.10
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> Hydr0p0nX: so it might be a mythbuntu issue?
[05:51] <Hydr0p0nX> i've never gotten it to work on ubuntu 12.04
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> ic
[05:51] <Hydr0p0nX> 13.10 works, but i lose usb keyboard and mouse sometimes
[05:52] <Hydr0p0nX> ssh and/or vnc in works fine, and it's ok again for a while after a reboot
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> Hydr0p0nX: you got usb keyboard and mouse enabled in bios?
[05:52] <Hydr0p0nX> yep
[05:52] <Hydr0p0nX> i think that's some kind of kernel issue
[05:53] <Hydr0p0nX> i see the same problem with 3.11 on 12.04
[05:53] <Hydr0p0nX> doesn't happen on 3.08
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> Hydr0p0nX: yes might be, got me an older ati x800 with a bug on 3 ubuntu versions, finally a kernel update solved it
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> imghost: hello mate
[05:54] <imghost> lotuspsychje, hi what's up?
[05:55] <Wayward_Vagabond> So, my sound is completely dead with mixer displying only dummy outputs.
[05:55] <Wayward_Vagabond> aplay -l returns: aplay: device_list:252: no soundcards found...
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> imghost: trying to solve Hydr0p0nX's issue, he's on mythbuntu 12.04 with no hdmi audio on nvidia card
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> imghost: any hint for him?
[05:56] <Wayward_Vagabond> I'm on xubuntu quantal
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> !sound | Wayward_Vagabond
[05:57] <imghost> lotuspsychje, did you change the audio output to hdmi?
[05:57] <Wayward_Vagabond> The soundcard not even showing up is what puzzles me.
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> imghost: its for Hydr0p0nX
[05:57] <Hydr0p0nX> imghost, it gets more interesting :)
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> Wayward_Vagabond: did you install your sound drivers?
[05:58] <Hydr0p0nX> with the 3.08-34 kernel (current LTS) no combination of options work for audio out with nvidia or nouveau driver ...
[05:59] <Wayward_Vagabond> Sound has worked on this machine before. I was using my laptop at somebody else's house (sound worked), drove home, started, and sound hasn't worked since
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> Wayward_Vagabond: so what did you do?
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> Wayward_Vagabond: recent update?
[05:59] <imghost> Hydr0p0nX, whats error are you getting when you test the sound?
[05:59] <FireStorms> If I had two operating systems (OS1, OS2) dual booted on a HDD and I was logged into OS1 would it be possible to somehow mount and access files from OS2?
[05:59] <Hydr0p0nX> install 3.11.10 mainline from the mainline ppa and use nouveau, hdmi audio works with a couple of modprobe options set but, hd video is choppy
[06:00] <Wayward_Vagabond> lotuspsychje: not, I've not touched anything since sound last worked
[06:00] <Hydr0p0nX> install 3.11.10 mainline from the mainline ppa and use nvidia driver, no hdmi audio out regardless of options
[06:00] <Wayward_Vagabond> *no
[06:01] <mbroeker> FireStorms, yes. you can access your windows or linux installations from a running ubuntu or linux
[06:01] <Hydr0p0nX> with either driver using 3.11 kernel, i have instability to the point of locking up from time to time
[06:01] <FireStorms> mbroeker, even if they're encrypted :)?
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> Wayward_Vagabond: not sure mate, maybe check your logs at /var/log/syslog
[06:02] <mbroeker> FireStorms, sorry, i was not paranoid enough for this stuff :)
[06:03] <FireStorms> mbroeker, you should me brah the nsa are watching!!!1 lol
[06:04] <Wayward_Vagabond> The only obviously audio stuff I see is nvidia for the hdmi out when I forced an alsa reload
[06:04] <imghost> Hydr0p0nX, http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ nouvea doesnot support hdmi/display port
[06:04] <mbroeker> FireStorms, i want access: snowden earned 150.000 bucks a year and quitted...
[06:04] <BlackBeaver> Hello
[06:05] <uBUXUBu> this acidbase utility looks interesting in ubuntu software center is anyone using it?
[06:05] <uBUXUBu> no reviews on it ...scary
[06:05] <Wayward_Vagabond> Dec 28 00:46:22 marvin-laptop kernel: [268244.104105] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:08.0: power state changed by ACPI to D0
[06:05] <BlackBeaver> lol
[06:05] <Wayward_Vagabond> Dec 28 00:46:22 marvin-laptop kernel: [268244.104112] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:08.0: power state changed by ACPI to D0
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> !info acidbase
[06:05] <Wayward_Vagabond> Dec 28 00:46:22 marvin-laptop kernel: [268244.104123] hda_intel: Disabling MSI
[06:05] <Wayward_Vagabond> Dec 28 00:46:22 marvin-laptop kernel: [268244.104164] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:08.0: setting latency timer to 64
[06:05] <Wayward_Vagabond> Dec 28 00:46:22 marvin-laptop kernel: [268245.012042] hda_codec: ALC888: SKU not ready 0x598301f0
[06:05] <FloodBot1> Wayward_Vagabond: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:05]  * FireStorms su paranoia
[06:05] <BlackBeaver> mm
[06:05] <Hydr0p0nX> says it supports hdmi audio out for mine (NV50)
[06:06] <Wayward_Vagabond> ...
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> !paste | Wayward_Vagabond
[06:06] <Wayward_Vagabond> It was only 5 lines
[06:06] <SaberX01> you got spanked :-)
[06:06] <Wayward_Vagabond> 01:05 < Wayward_Vagabond> Wait, is this relevant?
[06:06] <Hydr0p0nX> Wayward_Vagabond, i'm in 8 different channels right now
[06:07] <Hydr0p0nX> 8 lines floods my display out twice :)
[06:10] <Wayward_Vagabond> That has the same timestamp as the nvidia audio stuff, so it must be the intel chipset for general audio trying to do something
[06:15] <imghost> Hydr0p0nX, ok, did you do proper switching between proprietary and open source video drivers?
[06:16] <Hydr0p0nX> what do you mean, proper switching ?
[06:16] <Hydr0p0nX> i completely uninstalled one before trying the other
[06:17] <imghost> Hydr0p0nX, paste the output of lspci -k
[06:18] <Wayward_Vagabond> So, no ideas on why alsa isn't seeing my soundcard?
[06:18] <saudi> how can i set up the vhost ?
[06:18] <imghost> Hydr0p0nX, also output of dmesg
[06:19] <imghost> Hydr0p0nX, in terminal use command | pastebinit
[06:19] <mbroeker> saudi, check /etc/apache2/sites-enabled for apache2.x
[06:20] <somsip> saudi: acutally, /etc/apache2/sites-available and there will be a default or 000-default in there to use as a template
[06:20] <Hydr0p0nX> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6649674/
[06:20] <saudi> no :~
[06:20] <saudi> i mean in this Server
[06:20] <saudi> like this unaffiliated/balsaq
[06:21] <somsip> saudi: you need to be clear what you're referring to
[06:21] <saudi> i mean in this uBUXUBu (~Fred@unaffiliated/balsaq) (
[06:22] <uBUXUBu> hi saudi
[06:22] <somsip> saudi: I don't know what you are referring to. I'm out
[06:22] <SaberX01> saudi, start from the beginning, how you install apach2
[06:22] <SaberX01> *apache2
[06:23] <mbroeker> SaberX01, i think he wants to cloak his identity on this irc server ...
[06:23] <saudi> anyway thanks
[06:23] <saudi> :~
[06:23] <somsip> !cloak | saudi
[06:23] <SaberX01> Whoops, ok .. I misread that whole thing then .. LOL I'm out too then :-)
[06:23] <demophobia> I suspended the computer, started it again, logged in to my account, and after being met with a black screen + cursor for several seconds, this is what is left of the home screen: http://www.flickr.com/photos/110941453@N02/11598274593/
[06:24] <demophobia> the fan is running hard and with a constant high pitched whine or beep
[06:24] <demophobia> should I do a hard shutoff?
[06:24] <demophobia> the video card is GeForce GTX 260.
[06:26] <mikodo> How does one rsync data from a data partition internally to a partition in an usb external drive mounted with mtab? Does the partition in the usb drive need to be mounted  and read by Fstab?
[06:27] <somsip> mikodo: just use the path where the ext drive has been mounted to
[06:27] <mikodo> somsip, I will look at doing that. Thank you!
[06:31] <demophobia> i did a hard shut off and rebooted. now i can't type my password at the login screen. :(
[06:33] <mbroeker> demophobia, do you see the login screen or a black screen?
[06:33] <demophobia> "Sorry, Ubuntu 12.04 has experienced an internal error." (/usr/bin/nautilus, nautilus 1:3.4.2-0ubuntu8, ProblemType Crash)
[06:33] <demophobia> i logged in on a different Standard Account that didn't have a password to login, then started trying to type in Dash Home when this window popped up
[06:38] <demophobia> i can't type now
[06:38] <demophobia> when i type i get blocks with numbers as the character
[06:39] <demophobia> or, in libreoffice writer, it acts as if i'm hitting control sequences
[06:40] <demophobia> i was able to reset it by pressing 'control'
[06:40] <peyam> Hi
[06:41] <peyam> I want to speed up the booting time with my xubuntu
[06:41] <peyam> and I want to disable some services. I have bum installed and now I need help with which services are OK to be disabled
[06:41] <uBUXUBu> try this channel #xubuntu
[06:42] <peyam> I hope someone is there #xubuntu used to be very quite
[06:42] <demophobia> now /usr/bin/Xorg has experienced a problem ... maybe the HDD really is bad, thus these problems? first nautilus now xorg
[06:42] <demophobia> 'Xorg crashed with SIGABRT'
[06:44] <mbroeker> demophobia, start gnome-system-log and look into these files
[06:46] <lorfds> I'm trying to run a shell script from php
[06:46] <lorfds> when i run the script as root, it works fine
[06:46] <lorfds> either by calling the php script from the command line with php script.php
[06:46] <lorfds> or by calling the shell script directlly
[06:47] <lorfds> however, when i try to access the php page as a web user, nothing happens
[06:47] <lorfds> any thoughts on how i can make the php script run the shell_exec script when accessed as a web user
[06:47] <cauthon> Thanks to everyone for their help, the dd finished and the server is up and running on the new machine. I had to fix the ethernet rules, other than that it was seamless
[06:47] <mjayk> lorfds: webuser has permissions to run it
[06:47] <lorfds> I'm not concerned about security at the moment.....i realize there might be security issues here
[06:48] <lorfds> mjayk..... are you saying does web user have perms to run shell script?
[06:48] <jrib>  lorfds you're being too vague
[06:49] <lorfds> ok....currently, web root is owned by root
[06:49] <mjayk> lorfds: thats how id interpretate it
[06:49] <lorfds> all files are owned by root
[06:49] <jrib> lorfds: collect your thoughts, summarize your issues, give details, on one line.  Use a pastebin if you need space for logs, command output, source code, etc.
[06:49] <lorfds> ok
[06:50] <lorfds> i just want the answer :P !!
[06:50] <mjayk> dont we all
[06:50] <somsip> lorfds: make the file readable by www-data
[06:50] <hkr> Which is the most stable desktop environment ?
[06:51] <somsip> !flavours | hkr
[06:51] <hkr> ._. somsip I know that. I use xubuntu myself
[06:51] <hkr> I was asking which was the most stable one.
[06:51] <somsip> hkr: so there's your list of supported DEs. Have a look round and see what appeals, or what gets bad press as far as bugs are concerned
[06:51] <mjayk> then you will also know there is not a " most stable desktop"
[06:51] <hkr> okay :(
[06:51] <imghost> hkr, all are stable de
[06:52] <hkr> Guess I'll stay with Xfce/i3.
[06:52] <hkr> Thanks
[06:52] <somsip> hkr: and, of course, all have bugs
[06:52] <mjayk> nps
[06:52] <mjayk> just try them out
[06:52] <mjayk> decide for yourself
[06:52] <hkr> i cant use dolphin completely in xubuntu since the desktop is thunar.
[06:52] <hkr> Any ideas ?
[06:53] <mjayk> remove thunar install dolphin
[06:53] <hkr> thats the only problem I haave with xfce. And i've tried out Gone2,3 , kde and LXDE
[06:53] <mbroeker> lorfds, do you need sudo access for your script?
[06:53] <hkr> mjayk, Desktop is still thunar after removing thunar and installing dolphin
[06:54] <mjayk> what do you mean desktop is thunar
[06:54] <mjayk> thunar is a filemanager
[06:54] <hkr> do you use xfce ? im no good at explaining stuff
[06:55] <hkr> Deskop icons and stuff is from thunar.
[06:55] <lorfds> mbroeker..hard to say....im running everything as root currently
[06:55] <hkr> If i only have dolphin, i cant make desktop folders or delete or copy ...
[06:55] <somsip> lorfds: well, the web server does not run as root (and nor should you be) so that's why it isn't working probably
[06:56] <mbroeker> lorfds, can you paste your script?
[06:56] <lorfds> it runs fine when i execute php myfile.php from the command line...its just the web server serves the page instantly when i go to it (it is web scraping...so it takes a little to return results)
[06:56] <lorfds> yeah i will paste it if i can't get it to work...still hacking on it
[06:57] <lorfds> just trying to see if i have missed something obvious righ tnow
[06:57] <mbroeker> lorfds, the apache2 is configured to give up after, say, 30 seconds. if a script runs longer, it dies
[06:57] <somsip> lorfds: probably max_execution_time which is limited in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini but unlimited in /etc/php5/cli/php.ini
[06:57] <lorfds> yeah, but its giving up after 1 second
[06:57] <somsip> lorfds: then paste it
[07:05] <demophobia> my hard drive failed the extended self-test
[07:05] <demophobia> does that mean it's time to replace it?
[07:06]  * demophobia reads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.#Self-tests
[07:06] <somsip> demophobia: it may be prudent
[07:06] <mbroeker> demophobia, i think so. reformat the drive and redo the self test. but in generall, do not trust a broken hdd :)
[07:07] <demophobia> after all that ...
[07:07] <demophobia> oh well. perhaps i learned something.
[07:07] <demophobia> thanks.
[07:19] <Guest56965> hi, I'm having a hard time installing ubuntu to a raid1. I created my array using mdadm prior to running the installer, and all went well. but at the end of the install, grub-install fails. It offers the option to install to md0 as well as sda and sdb, but they all fail with "Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed.This is a fatal error." How can I fix this?
[07:35] <lorfds> ok more info....php is returning this when i try to run shell_exec inside a script and access it via the browser: "sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified Sorry, try again."
[07:35] <lorfds> how do i fix this errro?
[07:37] <somsip> lorfds: is the script running a command that requires sudo?
[07:39] <lorfds> well, one of the executables it is calling is owned by root
[07:40] <somsip> lorfds: many of them are. Doesn't mean they cannot be run by non-root. So, do any commands run by the script *require* sudo?
[07:40] <lorfds> sh: 1: /usr/local/bin/casperjs: Permission denied
[07:40] <lorfds> thats what happens without sudo
[07:41] <lorfds> so yes
[07:41] <lorfds> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 40 Dec 28 00:07 casperjs -> /root/repositories/casperjs/bin/casperjs
[07:41] <lorfds> i haven't been able to change ownership of casperjs to another user
[07:41] <lorfds> not sure why...maybe its the symlink
[07:41] <somsip> lorfds: so when you run something without sudo, a message pops up asking for a password. It cannot do that if no TTY (terminal) is present. When PHP is running the script in the browser, no TTY is present. Hence the error
[07:41] <lorfds> if i chown www-data:www-data /root/repositories/casperjs/bin/casperjs nothing happens
[07:42] <M4dH4TT3r> numeratic?
[07:42] <somsip> lorfds: because if you do that (probably a bad idea) you need to chown -R to change the content and not just tghe directory
[07:43] <lorfds> I'm going to kill this vm anyway once I'm done...im just trying to get this working to start...then going to start over for real with actual security, etc
[07:43] <M4dH4TT3r> Run the following command; sudo tar --numeric-owner -axf manhattan-quantal-armhf-tar-20130221-1.tar.gz
[07:43] <M4dH4TT3r>  Run the following command; sudo rsync -aP binary/casper/filesystem.dir/ /INSERTPATHTOSDCARD/ubuntu/
[07:43] <somsip> lorfds: ignore him
[07:43] <M4dH4TT3r> :P
[07:43] <somsip> !helpful | M4dH4TT3r
[07:43] <M4dH4TT3r> what?
[07:44] <lorfds> M4dH4TT3r...that doesn't look malicious at all
[07:44] <M4dH4TT3r> malicious how?
[07:45] <somsip> lorfds: I don't quite understand what you're trying to achieve. casperjs is a node script tester yes? And you're trying to launch it from within a PHP script?
[07:45] <lorfds> I'm using it as a scraper
[07:45] <lorfds> this is a web service I'm running to do on demand scraping
[07:46] <lorfds> php is an intermediate to the casperjs script
[07:47] <r47d00m_> hello guys, I have a touchscreen laptop with Windows 8, the touchscreen works flawlessly, perfectly, out-of-the-box, multitouch, etc... I'm wondering if the experience would be the same on Ubuntu ?
[07:47] <somsip> lorfds: post ls -la /root/repositories/casperjs/bin/
[07:48] <somsip> r47d00m_: try a live CD/DVD/USB
[07:48] <hipitihop> can someone assist with hdmi no audio issue. I have a Myhtbuntu 12.04 machine which worked fine video/audio over hdmi to tv, but I tried to connect via an onkyo a/v receiver and now only have video, no audio
[07:49] <r47d00m_> I can't right now, but I want to know the experience from people here with touchscreens
[07:49] <lorfds> somsip... http://pastebin.com/Qzukj3cR
[07:49] <r47d00m_> and ubuntu
[07:49] <somsip> r47d00m_: ok, but this is a quiet time of day so you may wait a while
[07:49] <hipitihop> I have since disconnected hdmi from onkyo box, back to direct to tv, but now only video. Tried everything I know with mixer audio settings etc
[07:50] <eaglezero> ahaa
[07:50] <Hydr0p0nX> hipitihop, what chipset ?
[07:50] <hipitihop> Hydr0p0nX, hmmm hold on will have to run lspci or the like to find out
[07:50] <somsip> lorfds: and the line of PHP that calls the casperjs script?
[07:51] <lorfds>   echo shell_exec("sudo /usr/local/bin/casperjs /var/www/ipdb_scraper/scraper/scraper.js --var=".$var." 2> /dev/null");
[07:51] <somsip> lorfds: so you still have the sudo in there...
[07:52] <lorfds> well, i have also removed it as well
[07:52] <lorfds> without it just says permission denied
[07:52] <hipitihop> Hydr0p0nX, foes this look correct from lspci output or do I need to list something else: Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation MCP79 High Definition Audio (rev b1)
[07:52] <lorfds> with it i get that tty error
[07:52] <hipitihop> s/foes/does
[07:52] <Hydr0p0nX> i'm having problems with the mcp78
[07:52] <somsip> lorfds: and you're reporting different paths in here to the ones in the script.
[07:53] <somsip> lorfds: Of course you get a TTY error. I explained why
[07:53] <robcar> r47d00m_: I installed ubuntu on a Dell Vostro AIO with touchscreen: worked fine; only had a problem with suspend
[07:53] <lorfds> i know...so just saying I've tried with and wo sudo
[07:53] <Hydr0p0nX> does aplay -l shows the HDMI adapter?
[07:54] <hipitihop> Hydr0p0nX, similar symptoms ? i.e. mine worked fine until I tried to take the hdmi which went to tv, instead plugged as hdmi input to onkyo and have since put back to original. box has been restarted etc too
[07:54] <Hydr0p0nX> no
[07:54] <Hydr0p0nX> mine only worked through hdmi after a number of unsupported changes
[07:55] <hipitihop> right, standby, running aplay over ssh
[07:56] <hipitihop> Hydr0p0nX, play -l shows the hdmi as third HDA NVidia device HMDI 0
[07:57] <Hydr0p0nX> does speaker-test -d hw:0.3 work ?
[07:57] <uBUXUBu> odd behaviour in ubuntu software center -crashed-report sent-after crash i used software center and all the information listed in software center about available software was all blanked out with roguh lines drwan thru them like someone had taken a pencil and scrathed over them?? very bizarre..rebooted and its normal again....
[07:57] <uBUXUBu> rough*
[07:58] <hipitihop> Hydr0p0nX, I can run that over my ssh session ? sorry, machine in another room
[07:59] <Hydr0p0nX> it might work
[08:03] <hipitihop> Hydr0p0nX, nothing, but if i'm interpreting the terminal output porperly, then it looks like it is testing on device 0 subdev 0
[08:04] <Hydr0p0nX> should be card.device
[08:04] <Hydr0p0nX> mine is card0 device3
[08:04] <hipitihop> Hydr0p0nX, Hardware PCM card 0 'HDA NVidia' device 0 subdevice 0
[08:04] <Hydr0p0nX> 0.0 then
[08:06] <hipitihop> Hydr0p0nX, still nothing and seems to still be teting same device
[08:07] <Hydr0p0nX> and none of the spdif devices are muted?
[08:07] <helmut__> i
[08:07] <helmut__> hi
[08:08] <hipitihop> spdif is related to hdmi ?
[08:08] <Hydr0p0nX> it is on mine
[08:08] <hipitihop> can I tell from cli ?
[08:08] <Hydr0p0nX> alsamixer
[08:08] <hipitihop> machine in other is pita
[08:09] <Hydr0p0nX> just make sure they all of the outputs are unmuted
[08:17] <hipitihop> Hydr0p0nX, ok I see s/pdif , s/pdif default PCM, s/pdif 1 all at 0 but don't respond to increasing volumne
[08:18] <Hydr0p0nX> none of them say MM, right ?
[08:18] <hipitihop> Hydr0p0nX, one did, but used 'M' to unmute now 00
[08:18] <Hydr0p0nX> retry speaker-test
[08:18] <hipitihop> I also see <Auto-Mute> enabled buit not sure if significant
[08:18] <Hydr0p0nX> I usually turn it off
[08:19] <Hydr0p0nX> select it and press down arrow to do so
[08:21] <hipitihop> still nothing from speaker test, but I'm not confident it is testign correct device
[08:24] <hipitihop> Hydr0p0nX, is there a definitive way to list correct list of device names I should be using ?
[08:24] <Hydr0p0nX> aplay -L will list every card and device seen
[08:29] <linuxlite> i have a canon ip1980 printer. i cant make it print my document
[08:29] <mrperfects> hi,,,
[08:30] <hipitihop> Hydr0p0nX, ok speaker-test -D plughw:CARD=NVidia,DEV=3 produced output, just testing others listed
[08:32] <linuxlite> i have a canon ip1980 printer. i cant make it print my document
[08:32] <WebLynx> hi everyone. just testing 13.10 dist
[08:33] <somsip> !test | WebLynx
[08:33] <WebLynx> has enyone problem with start ubuntustudio after installing?
[08:33] <Danato> How do I save my wifi password permanently? ubuntu keeps asking me to enter my password whenever i boot, and I ddnt set it to ask me every time
[08:34] <x_> hello Im really worried with something has happened me this morning
[08:34] <MarkDavies> Hi
[08:35] <x_> I just sleep the computer yesterday and this morning I found this on screen (the computer was almost frozen ):
[08:35] <WebLynx> Donato, you always boot from live dvd or after installing?
[08:35] <MarkDavies> What does "offshore support" mean?
[08:35] <x_> http://postimg.org/image/egxvfwizh/
[08:36] <x_> why there is something keyloging what I made ?
[08:36] <Danato> WebLynx, I have ubuntu installed, its not a live cd/usb
[08:36] <aeon-ltd> x_: that's looks like your terminal input history
[08:37] <x_> nope, there is almost all my strokes on a X session
[08:37] <aeon-ltd> x_: though, why the hell would you type fantazero in a terminal
[08:37] <hipitihop> Hydr0p0nX, speaker test only works on -D plughw:CARD=NVidia,DEV=3 so should I do standard test for audio now ?
[08:37] <x_> isnt a terminal , the only on terminal is ifconfig
[08:38] <x_> thats was an old msdos game made for me
[08:38] <x_> i just was installed dosbox
[08:38] <x_> then I mount some truecrypt volume, then go to sleep
[08:39] <x_> i sleep the computer and taking it back, i found this on screen without touch nothing
[08:39] <x_> why there is logging or whatever can be this of everything i made on x ????
[08:40] <x_> was been so great get something more of this , but only was working the terminals of functions keys
[08:40] <x_> no x11, no nothing
[08:40] <x_> only this, can someone tell me why could happen this ?
[08:41] <hipitihop> Hydr0p0nX, awesome, now I have audio ... many many thanks. So repluging the hdmi cables has caused these audio settings to change ? i.e. muted outputs ?
[08:41] <x_> i know there is forms of get keystrokes with xtest or something else
[08:43] <linuxlite> i have a canon ip1980 printer. i cant make it print my document
[08:45] <HumbertHumbert> ..
[08:47] <hipitihop> Hydr0p0nX, back in 15, maybe you can also sort out my hdmi overscan/res too high when going through onkyo
[08:50] <linuxlite> hello
[08:50] <linuxlite> anyone
[08:51] <linuxlite> i have a canon ip1980 printer. i cant make it print my document
[08:51] <linuxlite> i use 64 bit
[08:53] <pikaren> are mint users welcomed here?
[08:54] <uBUXUBu> of course
[08:54] <SaberX01> everyone is welcome
[08:55] <SaberX01> support however, is focused on Ubuntu :-)
[08:55] <elias_> and solaris
[08:56] <somsip> !mint | pikaren
[08:56] <uBUXUBu> linuxlite, There’s a ppa repository that provides the official drivers of Canon printers and multifunction devices which are not available on Canon’s website.
[08:58] <pikaren> !mint
[08:58] <uBUXUBu> your particular printer does not seem ot be listed but i suppose it wouldnt hurt to try this :   sudo add-apt-repository ppa:michael-gruz/canon-stable
[08:58] <linuxlite> where are those 32 bit drivers doesnt work for me
[08:58] <linuxlite> uBUXUBu where can i get them?
[08:58] <pikaren> hello > pikaren
[08:58] <MarkDavies> I've installed a printer with the drivers provided by the vendor. Should I run a daemon in order to have the printer working?
[08:58] <MarkDavies> If so, what is the name of this daemon?
[08:58] <uBUXUBu> look a couple lines above linuxlite
[08:59] <uBUXUBu> and ill post the site i am now reading...http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/07/canon-drivers-for-ubuntu-and-linux-mint/
[08:59] <pikaren> except the desktop environment, what are the differences between ubuntu and mint?
[08:59] <uBUXUBu> if ur lucky maybe a driver works even though i do not see your specific printer listed
[09:00] <linuxlite> im using 64 bit. will this work?
[09:00] <linuxlite> im trying
[09:00] <uBUXUBu> i dont know linuxlite as i said i dont see your specific printer
[09:00] <linuxlite> wish me luck. hehehe
[09:01] <linuxlite> uBUXUBu that's ok
[09:01] <uBUXUBu> maybe canon of a driver thats close enough
[09:01] <uBUXUBu> maybe canon know which one is sloe*
[09:01] <uBUXUBu> close*
[09:02]  * uBUXUBu kneels and looks towards the heavens....
[09:05] <glambert_> Hi, I created an iso from my dvd via "dd if=/dev/sr0 of=~/myfile.iso" but how do I mount that iso now?
[09:07] <Danato> How do I save my wifi password permanently? ubuntu keeps asking me to enter my password whenever i boot, and I ddnt set it to ask me every time
[09:07] <mbroeker> glambert, sudo mount -t udf -o loop /home/<user>/myfile.iso /mnt/cdrom
[09:07] <glambert_> mbroeker, I get a wrong fs type
[09:08] <mbroeker> glambert, try -t iso9660 instead of udf
[09:08] <glambert_> same, already tried it
[09:08] <glambert_> only one that worked was sysfs
[09:09] <glambert_> if I run "file ~/myfile.iso" it just says "data"?
[09:09] <SaberX01> Danato, are you using Unity Desktop ?
[09:10] <ese6> anyone ever used pennmush?
[09:15] <MarkDavies> lpstat -p -d gives "printer DCP150C is idle. (...) Waiting for printer to become available". What does it mean?
[09:16] <MarkDavies> Why doesn't the printer work?
[09:18] <ikonia> MarkDavies: normally poor linux support
[09:19] <MarkDavies> ikonia: yes, but it once worked
[09:19] <MarkDavies> and still, support is poor or not, the messages are meaningful, aren't they?
[09:20] <MarkDavies> I have found that: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-590793-p-2.html
[09:20] <MarkDavies> but I don't really understand what the responding guy is talking about.
[09:20] <ikonia> MarkDavies: the messages are meaningful - your printer is not online/available
[09:21] <MarkDavies> ikonia: but it is listed on the USB list
[09:21] <ikonia> MarkDavies: that doesn't mean anything, that just means it's plugged into a usb port
[09:22] <MarkDavies> so why isn't the printer available, even though I've installed the drivers for it?
[09:23] <pratz> Hello guys
[09:23] <pratz> I have a external hard disk
[09:23] <pratz> Is is safe to keep the external hard disk connected all time ?
[09:24] <ikonia> MarkDavies: poor linux support ?
[09:25] <Danato> SaberX01: sorry for the late reply, yes I'm using unity
[09:25] <MarkDavies> sorry, but it doesn't make sense. I've once managed to make this printer working. Now, it doesn't work for unknown, unclear reasons.
[09:25] <SaberX01> pratz, Yes, it's no more or less safe than you internal drives.
[09:25] <clypso> Does this support go for terminal based commands? Not relating to ubuntu specifically but to terminal commands in general. Or is there a better channel for me to go to ?
[09:25] <ikonia> MarkDavies: it does make sense, if your printer has bad linux support (as I know yours does) it will fail to work at random times/points due to it not being able to communicate with the OS properly
[09:25] <pratz> SaberX01: ok, here comes my main question
[09:26] <pratz> SaberX01: some time ubuntu detects it and some times it does not detect it
[09:26] <pratz> I am running 12.04
[09:26] <MarkDavies> ikonia: I managed to establish the connection between the printer and the computer by installing the Ubuntu drivers. But then the data wasn't printed, just the printer accepted it, and that was all.
[09:26] <pratz> when it does not detect it, I replug it again
[09:26] <ikonia> MarkDavies as I said "poor linux support"
[09:26] <SaberX01> Danato, you should be able to right click the network manager icon, Edit Connections, Wireless, Edit then Wireless Security .. you shoudl be able to enter your Wireless PW there.
[09:27] <MarkDavies> ikonia: it wouldn't be so bad, except for the fact that it seems to have "poor windows support" from some time, as well. The system just refuses it to be installed.
[09:27] <clypso> Does this support go for terminal based commands? Not relating to ubuntu specifically but to terminal commands in general. Or is there a better channel for me to go to ?
[09:27] <MarkDavies> clypso: what do you want?
[09:27] <clypso> Im cerious on the difference between dir and ls
[09:28] <MarkDavies> just check man dir
[09:28] <MarkDavies> man ls
[09:28] <uBUXUBu> they want us to buy new printers all the time
[09:28] <MarkDavies> but I suppose that ls is more standard in Unix environments, clypso
[09:28] <Danato> SaberX01: its already filled in, and I ddnt tick the "Ask for password every time" option, but it still asks me for the password every time I boot up
[09:29] <MarkDavies> to be honest, before you asked you question, I wasn't even aware that there is such a command like "dir", clypso
[09:29] <MarkDavies> uBUXUBu: do you suggest that it was programmed so it would spoil itself at some point of time?
[09:29] <clypso> Yes. Well i know about cmd commands thru windows. So by playing around with it i noticed dir worked lol
[09:29] <SaberX01> Danato, did you select available to all users on the edit screen ?
[09:30] <pratz> SaberX01: ??
[09:30] <clypso> I wasnt sure if this was a ubuntu thing or if i just had a good ol flat unix shell i was working with would it come up ?
[09:30] <uBUXUBu> no i just think printer copmanies dont bother to keep updating drivers
[09:30] <Danato> SaberX01: yes
[09:30] <clypso> probably ls is just for linux and dir is something ubuntu added for the window friendly users
[09:30] <uBUXUBu> i recently called HP on this subject and they more or less told me that...
[09:30] <SaberX01> pratz, Im not sure what would cause an intermittent connection, you could, if your well vers in UDEV rules, set a persistent rule for the device, but that's pretty advanced stuff.
[09:31] <MarkDavies> uBUXUBu: did you have similar problem as mine?
[09:31] <clypso> Alright markdavies. I appreciate your help anyhow =p
[09:31] <clypso> Does anyone know a good channel for unix ?
[09:32] <uBUXUBu> well actually i did but it was w7 and my hp deskjet 694 so i removed w7 installed ubuntu 1204 and it works perfect
[09:32] <uBUXUBu> 6940*
[09:32] <meteor42> Has anyone experience with pico2wave ?
[09:32] <uBUXUBu> so i called hp and they said hey its an older printer so....like that...i tore them a new pie hole
[09:33] <SaberX01> Danato, selecting all users normally fixes it, but there was a big on this at one time: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/854833
[09:33] <SaberX01> *bug
[09:33] <uBUXUBu> later of found out they have some universal driver that might work
[09:34] <uBUXUBu> if i have to chase around lookin for drivers somebodys gon na get a call from me
[09:36] <SaberX01> pratz, This is not easy. I've done it for a USB to Serial but it's tricky: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=168221
[09:45] <JackWarScout> Morning ;)
[09:45] <gordonjcp> morning
[09:46] <JackWarScout> cano u help me?
[09:46] <JackWarScout> *can
[09:46] <JackWarScout> pls
[09:47] <clypso> Ok
[09:47] <SaberX01> !ask | JackWarScout
[09:47] <JackWarScout> right!
[09:47] <clypso> Who was i just chatting with privately a moment ago that was helping me ?
[09:47] <clypso> System crashed sort of crashed on me. lost who it was
[09:47] <Rory> !pm | clypso this is why it's best to keep stuff in the main channel
[09:48] <JackWarScout> !ask r
[09:48] <clypso> !pm rory
[09:48] <MarkDavies> clypso: I
[09:49] <JackWarScout> !ask | how to make install  QUALCOMM ATHEROS AR9285 driver?
[09:50] <MarkDavies> what is better
[09:50] <MarkDavies> purge or deinstall (dpkg)?
[09:50] <thom_r> remove
[09:51] <borosky> !patience
[09:53] <marshmn> MarkDavies: I think that they do different things - I'm not sure that one is 'better' than the other; I tend to do 'dpkg -P <package>' which removes the package and any associated configuration (ie. purge)
[09:53] <marshmn> MarkDavies: but it depends what you are wanting to do
[09:54] <SaberX01> MarkDavies, purge is apt, it removes the target package and purges deps no longer in use. I normally use remove --purge. Is it better, matter of personal preference I think.
[09:55] <MarkDavies> SaberX01: isn't it possible to destroy files of another application with purge?
[09:55] <MarkDavies> I mean shared configuration files.
[09:55] <marshmn> SaberX01: that's not quite true - dpkg also has -P which is purge and means that a package and any config will be removed
[09:55] <SaberX01> MarkDavies, normally no, it's generally safe to use, unless you have broken deps.
[09:56] <marshmn> 'purge' on dpkg and with APT are two different things
[09:56] <marshmn> so you need to be careful of the differences
[09:56] <marshmn> the man pages should help
[09:56] <SaberX01> marshmn, I didn't mention dpkg, different tool & capabilities.
[09:57] <marshmn> SaberX01: sure - just poingint it out since the original question was for dpkg
[09:58] <SaberX01> marshmn, bit of both I think, I suppose with purge being in both :-) .. I try to stick with one method .. normally apt unless I need search or pkg selection stuff.
[09:59] <n1n0> any good link for lan with 2 ubuntu computers for file sharing? xp and ubuntu was ok, but 2 ubuntu doesn't work.
[10:01] <MarkDavies> Does rebooting after installation/deinstallation of packages make sense in Ubuntu?
[10:02] <Rory> Not generally MarkDavies , only if they are new drivers or something like that
[10:02] <SaberX01> n1n0, Samba, SSHFS, NFS, I can go dig up the links but those all work pretty well for that.
[10:02] <MarkDavies> Rory: I mant that
[10:02] <Rory> MarkDavies: If you're concerned about programs still being open and wanting to be sure you've restared them for the upgrade to have properly taken effect, you might as well just log out and in again
[10:02] <Rory> MarkDavies: Yes, for new kernel versions and, for example, the nvidia driver, it's easiest to reboot
[10:03] <MarkDavies> so it is for printer drivers, probably
[10:03] <Rory> MarkDavies: probably not
[10:03] <Rory> MarkDavies: You could just restart cups: sudo service cups restart
[10:04] <n1n0> SaberX01 thank you
[10:04] <SaberX01> n1n0, Samba: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba  .. SSHFS https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS ... NFS https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[10:05] <SaberX01> n1n0, ham call ?? de KI7MT
[10:06] <gordonjcp> SaberX01: gm de mm0yeq
[10:06] <SaberX01> GM
[10:07] <SaberX01> OT but tonight be 160m Stew Perry Contest :-)
[10:07] <gordonjcp> qsy #u-ot
[10:07] <gordonjcp> ;-)
[10:07] <gordonjcp> I don't think I've got anything that'll do 160m
[10:08] <gordonjcp> well, I could do CW by keying my signal genny, and receive it with... *something*
[10:08]  * gordonjcp handwaves
[10:08] <gordonjcp> cobble together a Top Band direct conversion receiver
[10:08] <SaberX01> I got a cloud warmer, that's about it, Im happy to work JA's :-)
[10:09] <gordonjcp> SaberX01: I really haven't played with top band
[10:09] <gordonjcp> SaberX01: the workshop manager where I work is an amateur, and used to know an old guy in Glasgow whose garden backed onto the Forth and Clyde canal
[10:10] <gordonjcp> now
[10:10] <SaberX01> next 10yrs gonna be great .. we better stay On Topic :-)
[10:10] <gordonjcp> along the line of the canal was a mile or two of diused telephone line...
[10:10] <gordonjcp> *disused
[10:10] <gordonjcp> oh yeah, load that sucker up on 160 ;-)
[10:10] <SaberX01> Spent 6yrs in Holy Loch :-) .. Know the Clyde very well.
[10:13] <MarkDavies> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=590793&page=37
[10:13] <MarkDavies> how does he know that he needs the MFC -210C driver?
[10:14] <MarkDavies> Where can I find the compability list?
[10:15] <TJ-> MarkDavies: Generally, when adding a printer, there is an option to choose your printer's exact model... which leads to the name of the actual driver for it (often-times a single driver supports many model variations)
[10:23] <raffo> hi
[10:23] <gry> hello :)
[10:23] <bibi234> hi, on the terminal, how can I copy a long line from a file, when I open it with nano, and i try to select the line with the mouse and copy, I can only select the visible part.
[10:25] <MonkeyDust> bibi234  i guess you have to zdd slashes for spaces... or maybe try to put the line between quotes
[10:26] <MonkeyDust> add*
[10:26] <TJ-> bibi234: If you're working with a text file you'd be best opening the file with a GUI text editor instead
[10:27] <TJ-> bibi234: Assuming your intention is to copy to the clipboard; the other method would be to use something other than 'nano' to display the line(s) you want to copy, such as 'grep'
[10:27] <bibi234> Tj- : I can't do this because it's not on my computer, I've opened a terminal to setup a ssh connection to a ubuntu server machine with no gui
[10:27] <SaberX01> bibi234, man nano, see Ctrl +G  for options, but Select: ALT + M + A  Copy: ALT + 6 Paste: CTRL + U  the 6 is line 6 etc etc
[10:28] <TJ-> bibi234: Do you wish to copy the text into the local system's clipboard, or into the remote system's 'nano' text buffer?
[10:28] <MonkeyDust> bibi234  and what line is it, you want to copy paste?
[10:29] <TJ-> bibi234: I think grep will be easiest. E.g. if you know the line(s) you want contain "dead fox" you can simply do "grep 'dead fox' /path/to/text.file"
[10:30] <bibi234> TJ- : I've managed to do this with grep as you said, I was trying to get the build command for PHP "php -i | grep "Configure Command", but it's a lucky shot :) , if they were multiple lines similar I would have been stucked, anyway thx for your help
[10:30] <zamnuts> mirror/apt question (i haven't used ubuntu since dapper/edgy days), i've been swearing at apt-get for the past few hours, i've tried several west-coast to central mirrors, and apt-get update is just so slow (hangs for minutes at a time)... any insight?
[10:31] <zamnuts> when it isn't hanging, it flies (1-3 megabytes/sec), but these waiting for headers and other misc hangs are annoying
[10:31] <TJ-> bibi234: Yes... you can write more complex text selectors by piping output from one process to another, too for example: "grep 'dead fox' /path/to/text.file | grep 'did not jump over'
[10:32] <SaberX01> bibi234, u can use awk as well to grab specific line numbers.
[10:32] <TJ-> zamnuts: Sounds very much like you have a bad route between you and other locations... try doing a "tracepath xxxx.archive.ubuntu.com" and look for problematic routers being reported
[10:34] <zamnuts> TJ-, will check ty
[10:35] <TJ-> SaberX01: bibi234: for line number ranges, 'sed' would be a better choice. E.g. for lines 5-10: sed -n '5,10 p'
[10:36] <MonkeyDust> bibi234  it's called regular expressions
[10:36] <SaberX01> TJ-, Lots of ways to do it awk 'NR==5&&NR==9' "file"    easy peasy :-)
[10:37] <Nale> MonkeyDust: no, it is not.
[10:37] <Nale> MonkeyDust: Do you even know what is Linux?
[10:37] <Nale> MonkeyDust; it isn't called regular expressions.
[10:37] <MonkeyDust> Nale  do I know you?
[10:37] <Nale> MonkeyDust: I am correcting your stupidity.
[10:37] <TJ-> SaberX01: That example doesn't work :)
[10:38] <MonkeyDust> Nale  tone it down please
[10:38] <Nale> monkeydust; alright, jeez.
[10:38] <SaberX01> TJ-, My bad, this works on my file: awk 'NR>=5&&NR<=9' "file"
[10:39] <TJ-> SaberX01: It'd be awk 'NR>=5&&NR<=10'
[10:39] <Nale> MonkeyDust: you cocksucking bastard, I'll fuck your mother behind a brothel.
[10:39] <Nale> FUCK YOU!
[10:39] <Nale> ILL FUCKING RAPE YOUR FAMILY
[10:39] <Nale> FUCK YOU!!!!!
[10:39] <FloodBot1> Nale: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:39] <SaberX01> TJ-, I forgot the > and <  ..lol
[10:40] <bibi234> TJ- : ok thanks, very useful!
[10:40] <TJ-> SaberX01: :p We all do that
[10:40] <zamnuts> TJ-, my route is missing a valid gateway, but it is defined in /etc/networking/interfaces i ran `service networking restart` already, what am i missing?
[10:41] <TJ-> zamnuts: What does "ip route ls" show? Please pastebin the result
[10:42] <TJ-> bibi234: As an example of how *bad* piped text processing commands can be, take a look at this I wrote last night for helping a server admin trying to resolve a CPU lockup issue, It figures out which drivers handle which bits of hardware, without allowing the system to actually probe for any drivers:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6648944/
[10:43] <tim167> hello, when i install applications in ubuntu, it sets the interface in the wrong language (German, while my Locale is set to English), how do I fix this?
[10:43] <gdi2k> hi, I installed LTSP afresh to try out fat clients. now I am having trouble chrooting: sudo ltsp-chroot -c -p leads to chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: No such file or directory
[10:43] <zamnuts> TJ-, http://pastebin.com/fFbWFAym gateway is 172.16.1.1 FYI
[10:44] <gdi2k> (sorry, wrong channel)
[10:45] <zamnuts> TJ-, 172.16.5.0/24 is not occupied (172.16.1.0/24 is the only dhcp block)
[10:45] <cevarief> Hi, how to turn off nvidia VGA card? my laptop is using 2 vga, i giess i'm enough using intel vga and want to disable nvidia.
[10:46] <TJ-> zamnuts: The routing table looks OK as far as it goes, is 172.16.1.1 configured correctly for forwarding? If so, I'd suspect an ISP router close to you since your problems seem to affect several target servers in different locations (which would imply different hops the further away they are from you)
[10:47] <SaberX01> tim167, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Locale
[10:47] <zamnuts> TJ-, the gateway is correctly configured i have upwards of 40 active hosts (static and dhcp), win/android/centos, this is the first ubuntu host that i have configured for a static IP
[10:48] <zamnuts> TJ-, i just figured i was missing something in my network config that might be specific to ubuntu, the kernel routing table (`route`) doesn't look good based on what i'm used to (win/rhel)
[10:48] <TJ-> zamnuts: Could the problem be name resolution (DNS) rather than routing? That can be a common issue with static configurations
[10:49] <bibi234> TJ- : you're crazy aha! Those are regular expressions right? I know a little bit about them, but the previous one you gave me about grabbing specific(s) line isn't a regular expression no? eg. "sed -n '2 p' file" (to get the second line), I've never seen this syntax for regular expressions
[10:49] <win5hit> hi there! I've got a fresh installed ubuntu 13.10 Server virtual machine. upon start i only get ipv6 addresses no ipv4... any idea? If i execute 'dhclient eth0' I've got a dhcp lease within fractals of a second and the interface is good to go....
[10:49] <TJ-> bibi234: Yeah, I had to use 'sed' to transpose the captured text into a shell script that defines environment variables, then include that file, and use the variable values to format the output
[10:49] <zamnuts> TJ-, `cat /etc/resolv.conf` yield "nameserver 172.16.0.2" which is correct, don't think it is a DNS issue, especially since tracepathing an IP is borked
[10:50] <SaberX01> bibi234, technically, tho Im def not a sed expert, it's not regex: http://www.gnu.org/software/sed/manual/html_node/Regular-Expressions.html
[10:50] <TJ-> bibi234: The "sed -n" says don't display lines by default. The '5,10' says select lines 5 through 10, and the " p" says print those lines. End result = you see only lines 5-10
[10:52] <win5hit> no idea why i don't get ipv4 lease upon boot?
[10:52] <zamnuts> TJ-, http://pastebin.com/4wYa8E0Y is the config for /etc/network/interfaces ...maybe a second set of eyes might help
[10:52] <TJ-> bibi234: You could add in regexp to that expression such as "sed -n '5,10 {/dead fox/ p}' "
[10:53] <zamnuts> win5hit, `auto eth0` in your network interfaces configuration?
[10:53] <SaberX01> TJ-, bibi234 I need to work more wiht sed, but them long sed strings make my head spin .. lol ..
[10:54] <TJ-> zamnuts: You need to add a "dns-nameservers <IP address>" to the eth0 stanza
[10:54] <win5hit> zamnuts: good question. didn't change anything so far. just finished installing... thought it should be in there... as during the setup dhcp4 was successful
[10:54] <TJ-> SaberX01: me too! I build them bit by bit
[10:55] <win5hit> auto eth0 /CR /LF iface eth0 inet6 auto
[10:55] <zamnuts> TJ-, link to doc? can't seem to find anything official (or am i asking to much?)
[10:55] <TJ-> zamnuts: See "man resolvconf" and search for it using "/dns-nameservers"
[10:56] <zamnuts> TJ-, s/to much/too much/
[10:56] <zamnuts> TJ-, duh. thanks.
[10:56] <TJ-> zamnuts: It's in the "ifup" section of that man-page
[10:56] <ultidesp> hi, every body. Using dmesg I got some ACPI errors like this "No handler for Region [ECOR] (ffff88022335cc18)", "Region EmbeddedControl (ID=3) has no handler". But my laptop works well. Should I take these errors as big matters?
[10:57] <zamnuts> TJ-, yes it is, found it, ty again
[10:57] <bibi234> TJ- : hum I'll take a look at the documentation, it looks like special expressions, to me regular expressions were like '/[a-z0-9](.*)/', I had never heard about line numbers and so
[10:57] <linuxlite> hello
[10:57] <linuxlite> how to resset eeprom for canon ip1980
[10:57] <linuxlite> anyone here knows canon ip1980 eeprom resetter for ubuntu
[10:57] <win5hit> ok so the ubuntu installer decided i don't need ipv4, as i have a working IPv6 configuration... not too smart...
[10:57] <TJ-> bibi234: Yes, I just used 'address ranges' which can be line numbers like '5,10' or regexps like '/start/,/end/'
[10:57] <zamnuts> bibi234, TJ-'s example is specific to sed, sed is a beast, built on top of general regex (extended regex, etc.)
[10:59] <win5hit> is this a feature?(or a known bug) ;)
[10:59] <TJ-> win5hit: Are you using Network Manager's applet to configure the interface?
[11:00] <zamnuts> TJ-, you were right about the kernel routing, i forgot to use route -n initially, i'm seeing the proper gateway in there
[11:00] <win5hit> this is the gui thing right? nope it's console only
[11:00] <thom_r> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IPv6
[11:00] <zamnuts> TJ-, also updated the DNS, still can't ping 8.8.8.8 nor tracepath google's IP meh. can't even tracert from my laptop to the host, what on earth...
[11:00] <ultidesp> I got some acpi errors while booting, but my laptop works well. How can I fix this? The errors are something like "No handler for Region [ECOR] (ffff88022335cc18)". Any help will be appreciated.
[11:01] <TJ-> OK, so the system is a server or terminal-only, which means networking defined in /etc/network/interfaces, correct?
[11:01] <win5hit> TJ yes
[11:01] <bibi234> so for example on this example "sed -n '5,10 {/dead fox/ p}' ", the regular expression is only on this placeholder "/dead fox/" right?
[11:01] <TJ-> zamnuts: Sounds like some significant issue somewhere ... firewall per-chance?
[11:01] <SaberX01> ultidesp, after a bit of searching that appears to be som sort of thermal control (fan speed), are you seeing any heat issues ? If not, then Id' say no, but if you are, may want to dig into that a bit more.
[11:02] <zamnuts> TJ-, the system is a fresh install of ubuntu server x86_64 latest non-LTS version, firewall perhaps... ufw in ubuntu, right?
[11:02] <TJ-> bibi234: Yes "/dead fox/" is the regexp, but in my example it only contains literal characters
[11:02] <win5hit> i already got v4 working just needed on more line: "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
[11:02] <TJ-> zamnuts: Do a quick manual check with "sudo iptables -nvL" make sure the default policies aren't DROP, if if they are, that other rules enable the traffic
[11:03] <zamnuts> TJ-, ufw status is inactive, iptables -L has empty chains
[11:03] <ultidesp> SaberX01: no heat issues. It seems every things is OK. strange.
[11:03] <zamnuts> TJ-, confirmed with -nv switches, no DROPs
[11:03] <TJ-> zamnuts: OK, so you're back to routing! Check those IPs
[11:03] <TJ-> win5hit: So you've fixed it now?
[11:04] <win5hit> yes
[11:04] <SaberX01> ultidesp, is may be trying to adjust the speed, and can't, so if the speed is ok, then probably not an issue. But I'd keep an eye on it to be safe.
[11:04] <TJ-> zamnuts: Can you ping the default gateway (172.16.1.1) ?
[11:04] <win5hit> only needed one more line, as written above. but i was wondering that you have to do that... the installer only took the v6 config to the /etc/network/interfaces
[11:04] <TJ-> zamnuts: Could the gateway be dropping the packets in its firewall?
[11:04] <zamnuts> TJ-, nope, i AM ssh'd in tho
[11:04] <zamnuts> TJ-, the gateway doesn't drop ICMP.
[11:05] <zamnuts> TJ-, there is a specific rule to say so :)
[11:05] <TJ-> win5hit: That does sound a bit unfriendly; possibly post a bug against ubiquity (the GUI installer) or d-i (debian-installer)  about it
[11:05] <zamnuts> TJ-, can't ping the gateway
[11:05] <ultidesp> SaberX01: the fan works well. And 13.10 seems better than 13.04, my laptop is cooler. But the only thing looks not normal is the fan speed can not show  by using "sensors" command. Thx very much . I will keep an eye on it.
[11:05] <TJ-> zamnuts: Is this a wired or wireless interface?
[11:06] <TJ-> I assume wired but sometimes.... interface names get munged by udev rules
[11:06] <zamnuts> TJ-, i can ping the ubuntu server (172.16.5.10) from my laptop (same network, dhcp'd tho), and can ping back, FYI
[11:06] <TJ-> zamnuts: does "ifconfig eth0" show error counts or anything? Do the Tx/Rx counts increase?
[11:07] <zamnuts> TJ-, server is wired (shares the same switch with other working hosts), my laptop is wireless (but works just fine on other hosts)
[11:07] <TJ-> zamnuts: But 172.16.5.10 is the IP of eth0 on that system, so you would be able to ping it.
[11:07] <marcuspbaird> howdy
[11:07] <zamnuts> TJ-, yea receive/transmit bytes are increasing
[11:07] <SaberX01> Hello
[11:07] <marcuspbaird> lol
[11:07] <zamnuts> TJ-, when pinging... even tho i don't get a response
[11:07] <marcuspbaird> by linuxlite
[11:07] <TJ-> zamnuts: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces ... I suspect there is an error
[11:09] <marcuspbaird> why are linux lite users coming here I wounder
[11:09] <TJ-> zamnuts: no matter, I found the link you posted for it
[11:10] <SaberX01> marcuspbaird, how that relates to ubuntu support I do not know, but LL users could probably answer that ques for you :-)
[11:10] <TJ-> zamnuts: OK, so eth0 has 172.16.5.10, the gateway is 172.16.1.1, and you can't ping the gateway?
[11:11] <zamnuts> TJ-, more diagnostics (with an updated interfaces config): http://pastebin.com/ZqrJyvYe
[11:11] <zamnuts> TJ-, correct, cannot ping the gateway, nor outside hosts, but CAN ping other hosts on the subnet
[11:12] <marcuspbaird> lol I don't get on to well with valtan happy to help out the liux lite users though on his distro
[11:12] <zamnuts> TJ-, to confirm i am ABLE to ping the gateway from other hosts on the subnet
[11:12] <zamnuts> TJ-, in the interim, thanks for the help so far
[11:12] <SaberX01> Why is it a 5.10 IP in 1.1 subrange ?
[11:13] <zamnuts> SaberX01, my netmask is a /16, just a way of categorizing stuff on our (small) network
[11:13] <SaberX01> Ahh ok
[11:13] <zamnuts> SaberX01, .1.x is all dhcp, .0.x is all infrastructure, .5.x is all temp stuff
[11:15] <asso1992> hi
[11:15] <waperboy> Thinking of using fdupes command for the PlayOnLinux 'windows' folders to hardlink all duplicate files, since all the wineprefix folders have many duplicate files, would this be safe to do?
[11:19] <SaberX01> waperboy,  probably a question for #playonlinux
[11:20] <bahamas> anyone know where kindle reader stores its files when downloaded for offline reading?
[11:20] <TJ-> zamnuts: That output shows a ping 172.16.1.9 is good... how about a ping to the default gateway? If that fails then I'd check out the gateway settings.
[11:20] <waperboy> SaberX01, not really, I'm more concerned about hardlinks in general I think
[11:20] <TJ-> zamnuts: Is this PC directly wired to the gateway, or with some switch? If a switch, is it managed or unmanaged?
[11:21] <zamnuts> switch (2 actually), unmanaged
[11:21] <zamnuts> TJ-, ^
[11:22] <TJ-> zamnuts: I'd deploy tcpdump now on the host and the gateway to see what packets are doing
[11:22] <TJ-> zamnuts: "sudo tcpdump -ni eth0 icmp and host 172.16.5.10"
[11:22] <zamnuts> TJ-, http://pastebin.com/tRp3tkfU
[11:23] <zamnuts> TJ-, meh, i was hoping it wouldn't come to that... ok :P
[11:23] <TJ-> zamnuts: The switches are cascaded?
[11:23] <zamnuts> TJ-, i was looking for a "oh dude... u missed a ____ directive in ____"
[11:24] <zamnuts> TJ-, yes... for now
[11:24] <zamnuts> TJ-, ugly, i know, the physical topology is being refactored, and right now i'm in a lull, coincidentally i'm having this problem you're helping me troubleshoot
[11:25] <TJ-> zamnuts: I'm just thinking... if you've got PC > SW1 > SW2 >GW ... how will ARP be handled when PC says "who has 172.16.1.1" ? will the switches figure it out?
[11:25] <TJ-> zamnuts: assuming they're layer-2 switches
[11:26] <TJ-> zamnuts: easy way to test that - wire directly from PC to SW2 (the switch connected to the GW)
[11:27] <zamnuts> TJ-, great question. (thinking)
[11:28] <zamnuts> TJ-, will test... should have a long enough cat5 around here somewhere....
[11:28] <zamnuts> TJ-, FYI i have 2 other physical hosts on the cascaded switch config (each with 4 VMs) and they're running just peachy.
[11:32] <zamnuts> TJ-, ok got it bypassing the second switch, still getting 100% packet loss on pings
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> !info etherape | zamnuts
[11:32] <hyutyi> hi
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> hyutyi: hello, what can we do for you?
[11:33] <hyutyi> UEFI is unable to set ubuntu as a priority boot entry
[11:33] <TJ-> zamnuts: OK, so I'm starting to wonder about a bad physical connection, although that doesn't explain the ping to 172.16.1.9 working, unless the problem is a flakey switch port
[11:33] <zamnuts> lotuspsychje, etherape sounds good... does it require GUI? i'm running CLI
[11:33] <TJ-> zamnuts: could that PC be preferring IPv6 over IPv4 ?
[11:33] <hyutyi> i have: HDD, USB flash, CD-Rom options
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> zamnuts: oh yes it needs gui, sorry
[11:34] <SaberX01> That's what I was thinking too .. bad NIC .. SW port not likely now that he's on the other switch.
[11:34] <TJ-> zamnuts: The ping argues against an IPv6 issue
[11:34] <zamnuts> TJ-, not running IPv6 on the local net (unless it could be confused?)
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> hyutyi: did you disable secureboot in bios?
[11:34] <zamnuts> lotuspsychje, np, thanks for the suggestion tho :)
[11:35] <TJ-> zamnuts: I'd like to see the tcpdump from the GW when the PC is pinging it... this could be down to a bad routing table on the GW. can you pastebin the GW's "ip route ls"
[11:35] <zamnuts> TJ-, the bad physical connection could only be on the host itself, but yea, doesn't make sense when the comms with other hosts on the network are fine
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | hyutyi
[11:35] <hyutyi> I have to press F9 ->> ubuntu (HP-XXXX). There is another option called "Ubuntu" but it boots W8
[11:35] <TJ-> zamnuts: Because if you've not defined the route on the GW as a /16 this would be an expected result
[11:35] <zamnuts> TJ-, gateway is a cisco asa... don't have the luxury of ip route ls, but i'll get you the routing table, hang on
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> hyutyi: you want a dualboot or single boot ubuntu?
[11:36] <hyutyi> Legacy enbled (SB disabled)
[11:36] <zamnuts> TJ-, oh the route on the GW is /16, but i will check. (i've had previous 172.16.5.x hosts before)
[11:36] <TJ-> zamnuts: The ping 172.16.1.9 would work if that host is directly reached via the switches
[11:36] <hyutyi> dual boot
[11:36] <zamnuts> TJ-, yes it (was) directly reached via switches
[11:37] <TJ-> zamnuts: can you mirror the switch port on the ASA to another port and capture it with tcpdump on another host to analyse it?
[11:37] <zamnuts> TJ-, it is now hooked up to cisco appliance directly (single VLAN, so no complexities there)
[11:37] <TJ-> zamnuts: What we need to see, is what packets are reaching the GW's ethernet interface.
[11:37] <zamnuts> ok
[11:37] <zamnuts> TJ-, ^ (ok)
[11:38] <TJ-> zamnuts: I'm looking for the packets arriving from PC but not being replied to, either because of a route or firewall rule
[11:38] <zamnuts> TJ-, wilco
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> hyutyi: not sure mate, try the uefi url i triggered to you
[11:40] <zamnuts> TJ-, FYI, i'm seeing the ubuntu host (5.10) on the ASA's ARP table
[11:40] <zamnuts> TJ-, MAC is a match
[11:40] <TJ-> zamnuts: Which argues that the ASA is the culprit, not replying
[11:42] <zamnuts> TJ-, sorry, i don't follow
[11:44] <hyutyi> I cannot set ubuntu (HP-(numbers)) on BIOS setup because that option is not available. However, if I try Esc+F9 (Boot selection) ubuntu option appears. Annoying.
[11:44] <TJ-> zamnuts: If the ASA 'know's about the PC via it's ARP table then it must be receiving packets... but it is not replying to them
[11:44] <hyutyi> I lost my connection again
[11:44] <zamnuts> TJ-, route table on ASA: http://pastebin.com/pkExGYqr
[11:44] <hyutyi> BIOS Firmware is also updated
[11:45] <zamnuts> TJ-, that is true, unless the ASA is replying, but the reply is being lost
[11:46] <TJ-> zamnuts: Hence why I suggest a mirror-port to another host/interface so you can analyse it via tcpdump
[11:46] <hyutyi> ?
[11:47] <TJ-> zamnuts: But based on experience I'm pointing the finger at the ASA configuration. Have you tried changing the PC's static IP temporarily to one in the ASA's DHCP range?
[11:47] <zammit> TJ-, i haven't had a chance to do the tcpdump yet (sorry!)
[11:47] <zammit> TJ-, good point, will try a known range or two...
[11:47] <hyutyi> hi?
[11:48] <hyutyi> Is there any wai
[11:49] <donc3> Hi!
[11:49] <TJ-> zammit: OK, no rush... but I always recommend looking at the actual data rather than trying to guess. Saves a lot of messing about, working with facts not guesses.
[11:49] <hyutyi> *way to configure touchscreen (no touchpad) to do (Up and down) sliding the finger?
[11:49] <donc3> somebody could say me what is the lastest kernel that supports an AGP graphic card???
[11:49] <hyutyi> it only does that on gnome control
[11:50] <TJ-> donc3: All kernels will... AGP is just a variation of the PCI bus
[11:50] <zammit> TJ-, ok using something on the DHCP range is working, bingo. i'll try a different staic on the .5 block
[11:51] <hyutyi> on other programs ex. chromium it acts as a "left mouse button"
[11:51] <donc3> I have an AGP card an Ati 3850 HD
[11:51] <TJ-> donc3: Problems with unrecognised AGP cards will be more to do with no driver support for no-longer-manufactured devices
[11:51] <bibi234> there are some scripts (like GIT) which are able to open a command line editor with some content, and then ask the user to edit it, (eg. "git commit"), how can I do this in my own command line script, if possible, without creating a temp file?
[11:51] <donc3> and it gives me some problems
[11:51] <TJ-> donc3: Is it listed if you do "lspci -nn" ?
[11:51] <donc3> But one user from here help me to upgrade to an older kernel an it worked
[11:52] <TJ-> zammit: Yay!
[11:52] <donc3> but now I need to do it another time, and I doesn't remember the version
[11:52] <TJ-> zammit: I'd guess the ASA is configured to only pass packets within the defined ranges
[11:52] <SaberX01> bibi234, what lang is the script?
[11:52] <zammit> TJ-, ok, so i tried 172.16.5.35 (was .10)... and it works as well
[11:53] <zammit> TJ-, i wonder if the ARP cache old?
[11:53] <donc3> TJ- yes, it is listed
[11:53] <TJ-> zammit: Could be... flush the ARP table?
[11:53] <bibi234> SaberX01: it can be a shell script, or PHP, or anything else if there is a better option
[11:53] <TJ-> zammit: Could one of the switches have a stale table?
[11:54] <donc3> TJ- it could be 3.10 kernel with open source radeon drivers?
[11:54] <TJ-> donc3: OK, so what exactly happens? Does the GUI desktop fail to start? start in low resolution? appear corrupted?
[11:55] <bibi234> SaberX01: (because there is no script yet, I haven't started it)
[11:55] <donc3> TJ- sometimes it freezes and blocks
[11:55] <TJ-> bibi234: "git commit -e " uses a temporary file for the editor
[11:55] <SaberX01> bibi234, so you want to prompt the user to edit, then after edits to a commit?
[11:55] <hyutyi> also I have a useless Synaptic touchpad which is detected by kernel but doesn't move
[11:55] <zammit> TJ-, ok, i'm blind, the MAC on the ASA's ARP table was off by 2 digits (b3e3 vs b5fd) (facepalm)
[11:55] <TJ-> donc3: OK ... and when that happens are there any clues in "/var/log/kern.log" ?
[11:55] <TJ-> zammit: *spanx* :D
[11:55] <zammit> TJ-, so it is def an ARP table problem, confirmed, i must've used the .5 on another NIC a few hours ago...
[11:55] <hyutyi> gsynaptics tool doesn't work
[11:56] <zammit> TJ-, thanks for the help, and not related to ubuntu either
[11:56] <donc3> TJ- I can paste you
[11:56] <TJ-> zammit: I think we've gone around the houses on that one! :D
[11:56] <zammit> TJ-, yea i think so! :P
[11:56] <SaberX01> and then some :-) noce work
[11:56] <SaberX01> *nice
[11:57] <donc3> TJ- there is not any kern.log
[11:57] <TJ-> donc3: What Ubuntu version is it? "lsb_release -a"
[11:58] <bibi234> SaberX01: no git was just an example, I'd just like to open a command line editor with some default text, the user can then edit it, when it saves it I grab the edited content and continue the script
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> donc3: did you browse to /var/log manually with nautilus?
[11:58] <donc3> TJ- I was using Ubuntu 13.10 but yesterday I change to elementary OS
[11:59] <bibi234> I think it's doable with a temp file, but was wondering if it was possible to keep it in memory
[11:59] <donc3> lotuspsychje no I do it in terminal
[11:59] <zammit> TJ-, apt-get is flying now, woo!!
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> !elementary | donc3
[11:59] <zammit> TJ-, how refreshing.
[11:59] <demon^eye> anyone knows if firefox 26 for linux is 64 bit?
[11:59] <TJ-> bibi234: You could do, for example: " echo -n "Please edit this text\nLine #2" | vim -   "
[11:59] <SaberX01> bibi234, there's lots of ways to do that. The amount of data will determine which is the best approach, one line, paragraph, config item etc.
[11:59] <TJ-> zammit: makes you wonder where the lost packets were going!
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> demon^eye: if you installed ubuntu 64bit FF will be also
[12:00] <demon^eye> lotuspsychje,  : yes i did :D
[12:00] <demon^eye> 10x
[12:00] <zammit> TJ-, /dev/null (or equiv) i hope.
[12:00] <SaberX01> bibi234, also, if there is a specific format the data must adhere too. You can use Perl, Bash, Ruby all sorts.
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> demon^eye: most packages will be 64bit then, when you download them
[12:03] <MonkeyDust> !info firefox | demon^eye looks version 26 to me
[12:03] <zammit> bibi234, TJ-'s answer is pretty good, you could: $ captured=`echo -n .... | vim - ` use the backticks to capture stdout and throw it into a var, or redirect stdout entirely `>`
[12:04] <demon^eye> if we aretalking on FF , what are the best fonts to set  ?
[12:05] <demon^eye> i mean linux and wins got not the same ones
[12:06] <hyutyi> no idea :(
[12:06] <TJ-> demon^eye: The defaults are chosen with readability in mind
[12:06] <hyutyi> it says that synaptic driver is not loader but xinput detects it
[12:06] <Guest59359> Amazon is preinstalled on my Ubuntu 13.10 and I can't delete it. When I click on the Ubuntu menu and type in "amazon" it shows up under applications, and when I right click it won't let me delete if only gives the launch option. And when I click launch it brings me to amazon.com... I have been trying for a couple days to get rid of this now and can't. Same thing with Ubuntu One Music. Does anyone know how to get rid of this stuff?
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> Guest59359: http://askubuntu.com/questions/363912/how-to-remove-amazon-and-ubuntu-one-music
[12:07] <sitown> TJ-: Hi, and if anybody else can answer. You told me that the faulty suspend function is probably caused by the graphical interface. Unity. So if i uninstall and install gnome 3 or something it might help?
[12:08] <k1l> Guest59359: open the application-lens/scope, then scroll down and you will see all scopes that are installed. then chose the one you dont want and hit disable
[12:08] <k1l> Guest59359: or you can disable all online searches with one switch in the privacy settings in system settings
[12:08] <demon^eye> tj- : i found other better ....
[12:09] <bibi234> zammit TJ- : I've tried this one http://pastie.org/8582311, but without success, it says 'alert the output isn't redirected to a terminal'
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> demon^eye: there is no 'best' that counts for everyone, its the users choice right
[12:09] <TJ-> sitown: You don't need to uninstall anything, you can install alternatives alongside Unity and choose which one to use at each log-in by pressing the gear icon to the top-right of the username at the log-in prompt
[12:10] <Guest59359> k1l, i disabled all online searches but Amazon and ubuntu one is still there. How do I open the application lens scope? Where is it located?
[12:10] <demon^eye> lotuspsychje,  : yes , but some hebrew site look bad with the default ones
[12:10] <bibi234> zammit: I don't know about backticks, I know about '>', but I've only done this to redirect stdout to a file, I don't understand how I should use it in this context (variable).
[12:10] <k1l> Guest59359: see the askubuntu link
[12:10] <demon^eye> so gota change them up
[12:10] <zammit> bibi234, what about echo -n ... | vim - > out.file ?
[12:10] <TJ-> bibi234: delete the leading "$" from the first line. When assigning to a variable do not preceed its name with the "$"
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> demon^eye: you can always ask new font layouts in #firefox if you wish, maybe they might know some
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> demon^eye: type about: in firefox for your architecture by the way
[12:13] <bibi234> zammit: "captured=`echo -n "allo" | vim - > tmp" , test.sh: 4: test.sh: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution
[12:13] <Guest59359> k1l, I filtered results by dash plugins like it said and there are non listed. but when I go to applications amazon and ubuntu one music are still there
[12:13] <Guest59359> noneE
[12:13] <Guest59359> ugh none* sorry
[12:13] <zammit> bibi234, captured=`echo -n "allo" | vm - `;
[12:14] <zammit> bibi234, then.... echo "$captured" > out.file;
[12:14] <zammit> bibi234, round-about way of doing it, but just to illustrate the steps
[12:14] <pepe221> HI I have one problem with my AGP videocard. When I scroll down fast, the screen turns black.  I paste you my syslog file to see my problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/6650902/
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> pepe221: ubuntu version and grafix card chipset plz?
[12:16] <SaberX01> zammit, I thought originally, he didn't want a temp.file though. Could have the script read an array | editor, re-write the array var
[12:16] <ikonia> pepe221: I doubt you'll see that in a syslog
[12:16] <sayah> Hi I have a simple question, how do you get to a command line prompt from the desktop in ubuntu?
[12:16] <pepe221> yes ikonia
[12:16] <pepe221> ubuntu 13.10
[12:16] <k1l> Guest59359: please make a screenshot and show it here
[12:16] <zammit> SaberX01, ah i missed that detail, then he just should omit the echo "$captured" > out.file; ...the contents are within $captured now :)
[12:16] <ObrienDave> sayah, open a terminal
[12:17] <sitown> TJ-: So the sudo apt-get install gnome-shell, is the one that probably would be the one with least bugs?
[12:17] <bibi234> zammit: oh indeed I had missed a backtick, it still says "Vim: Alert: output isn't done on a terminal" (translated)
[12:17] <sayah> ObrienDave: thanks, how do you get to terminal?
[12:17] <zammit> try nano? i really have never attempted such a thing in bash!
[12:17] <SaberX01> If the input is variable gonna have to read somwhere, if it's static, read a var, edit, rewrite the var.
[12:18] <pepe221> lotuspsychje ubuntu  and the graphic card is an ati 3850 agp
[12:18] <Guest59359> k1l,  I installed gksudo and i think i got rid of it i will restart and brb
[12:18] <tapout> is there a 'howto' on disabling the ads/tracking in ubuntu?
[12:18] <ObrienDave> sayah, does right click "open terminal here" work?
[12:18] <pepe221> lotuspsychje ubuntu 13.10 sorry
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> pepe221: so you can boot fine to desktop, and after scrolling you get black screen?
[12:19] <SaberX01> bibi234, is the input going to be static  or variable based on a condition or search or something?
[12:19] <pepe221> lotuspsychje yes
[12:19] <k1l> installing gksudo for disabling the amazon scope? there is alot wrong in your system
[12:19] <sayah> ObrienDave: Nope, no right click window.
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> pepe221: your 'additional driver' section shows other drivers?
[12:20] <ObrienDave> sayah, look in your app menu. i DON"T do unity. ;)
[12:20] <Guest6437> k1l,  THEY ARE GONE! I will make not of this thank you very much.
[12:20] <djtorr3> just installed ubuntu on an Asus Ultrabook (dual booted with Win8), it has a Geforce 740M card in it, but ubuntu apparently isn't detecting that there's a nvidia card, so in the additional drivers sections it says no available additional drivers, is there some way around this?
[12:21] <djtorr3> i'd just use the default drivers but it makes unity extremely slow
[12:21] <TJ-> bibi234: "sudo apt-get install moreutils" then "export EDITOR=vim" then something like "capture=`echo "allo" | vipe | cat`"
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> djtorr3: what does lshw -C video show after driver=
[12:21] <bibi234> SaberX01: it should be the output of a command, basically I'd like to create a release tool, example "release 1.8.4", then it will use git to get the commit diff with previous versions, and I'd like to have a way to edit it so that I only keep relevant things, then it's added to a CHANGELOG file, and git tag, push.
[12:22] <TJ-> bibi234: After installing the package, "man vipe" will help you
[12:22] <zammit> bibi234, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10686183/pipe-vim-buffer-to-stdout
[12:22] <TJ-> bibi234: "vipe" does exactly what you require, and you can set the editor using EDITOR
[12:22] <Guest6437> I have another problem. I am using a Dell N4010 laptop with Ubuntu 13.10. I can't use my backlight keys on the keyboard to change my brightness I have to use command line. I know it's not a problem with the computer because I booted Windows and it works fine. Is there something I can install to make this function?
[12:22] <zammit> TJ-, would be nice to have solution that does not require non-standard utils
[12:23] <zammit> TJ-, (although vim isn't exactly standard either! but a bit more common, perhaps vi is best)
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> its 13.10 screen error day again oO
[12:23] <djtorr3> lotuspsychje, i don't see anything that says driver=, but it says product: GK208M [GeForce GT 740M]
[12:23] <TJ-> zammit: "EDITOR=vi" or "EDITOR=nano" :)
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-current | djtorr3 try this maybe
[12:24] <jemark> TJ-: vim
[12:24] <bibi234> TJ- zammit : well this looks like the tool! thanks I'll check this out
[12:24] <pepe221_> lotuspsychje have you say me something??? it has happened another time the same problem and it has blocked
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> djtorr3: did you setup ubuntu with an internet connection enabled?
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> pepe221_: plz check your 'additional drivers' section to see if any other drivers list
[12:24] <zammit> TJ-, bibi234 ...i wonder how crontab does it? ...wait no, it uses a temp file
[12:25] <djtorr3> lotuspsychje, yes I did
[12:25] <pepe221_> lotuspsychje yes,
[12:25] <djtorr3> lotuspsychje, i checked additional drivers but saw nothing in there, said no additional available
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> djtorr3: ok try the nvidia-current to test
[12:25] <djtorr3> ubottu, i'm about to try nvidia-current again.  i tried it once and had to remove everything because after login it was just showing a black screen
[12:25] <TJ-> djtorr3: Can you pastebin the output of "lspci -nn" please?
[12:25] <pepe221_> lotuspsychje yes, I have the privative drivers of ATI but this ones, doesn't work well
[12:26] <djtorr3> TJ-, i'm on here on a separate machine atm
[12:26] <pepe221_> lotuspsychje I see all pixelated, and the pc doesn't turn on well
[12:26] <djtorr3> TJ-, what specifically were you looking for out of lspci -nn?
[12:27] <sitown> What is the best alternative to Unity, if you want a less buggy interface? Dont need 3d and animations.
[12:27] <TJ-> djtorr3: The [vendor:device] ID
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> pepe221_: you updated your system?
[12:29] <SaberX01> TJ-, zammit I didn't know about this vipe app .. that's pretty slick .. have several scripts that could be much simpler with that.
[12:29] <pepe221_> yes, i'm on ubuntu 13.10
[12:30] <djtorr3> TJ-, not sure if this is it, i think you are looking for [8086:0a16] ?
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> pepe221_: did your card work better on other ubuntu versions?
[12:30] <pepe221_> no, allways happens the same
[12:30] <djtorr3> TJ-, thats for an integrated graphics controller
[12:30] <TJ-> djtorr3: No... I need the ID of the nvidia device. try "lspci -nn  | grep VGA"
[12:30] <pepe221_> i'm using ubunutu since 12.4
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> pepe221_: and 12.04 didnt run your card smoothly?
[12:31] <TJ-> djtorr3: I thought the issue was with the nvidia device? If its an optimus system with dual GPUs you'll need a recent nvidia driver, or the bumblebee driver
[12:31] <pepe221_> it happend the same
[12:31] <djtorr3> TJ-,  line says 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0a16] (rev 09)
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> pepe221_: maybe try a nomodeset or xubuntu/lubuntu
[12:32] <pepe221_> I'm searching on google and people says that is a problem with the kernel
[12:32] <pepe221_> I need an old kernel
[12:33] <pepe221_> that supports  an AGP card
[12:33] <pepe221_> with open source drivers
[12:34] <SaberX01> Older kernel goign to mean older distro.
[12:34] <SaberX01> Or allot of custom work.
[12:35] <TJ-> djtorr3: As the system has two different GPUs, that's an Nvidia Optimus technology, so you need to focus on that issue. It isn't a simple video-driver issue, you'll probably need to look at the Bumblebee driver which is the open-source GPU-switcher
[12:35] <jemark> pepe221_: what is your pc?
[12:35] <TJ-> pepe221_: Can you pastebin the output of "lspci -nn" please?
[12:35] <pepe221_> jemark a desktop pc
[12:35] <djtorr3> TJ-, so i'd look at installing bumblebee first then the nvidia drivers?
[12:36] <sitown> sitdown
[12:36] <SaberX01> pepe221_, what year roughly?
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> jemark:  ati 3850 agp on ubuntu 13.10
[12:36] <sitown> Sorry, wrong place i wrote
[12:36] <pepe221_> TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/6651005/
[12:36] <TJ-> djtorr3: I can't tell you; I've not dabbled with Optimus personally, but I have seen experts in here talking about it. It appears it can be a pain! I read that recent nvidia drivers support it (I use nvidia 331 from the Xorg Edgers PPA, for example, which is supposed to)
[12:37] <win5hit> hmmm, I've got a question that might be "hard" to answer... I've a ubuntu 13.10 server running as virtual machine on hyper-v, and I've enabled dynamic memory. the guest tells the host that it currently needs 589MB of RAM. but 'top' tells me: KiB Mem:    673072 total,   312684 used,   360388 free,    16592 buffers
[12:37] <pepe221_> SaberX01 8-9 years approx
[12:37] <djtorr3> TJ-, as i'm reading about it it looks like ubuntu itself supports it a little better on the newer versions too, appreciate the help, here's to a night of debugging i guess
[12:38] <Daekdroom> win5hit, do you have zRAM enabled in the guest?
[12:38] <TJ-> djtorr3: Good luck :)
[12:38] <win5hit> Daekdroom: let me google that... never heard before :)
[12:38] <nashant> Hi guys, I've got a problem. Just bought a new laptop and the touchpad doesn't have separate buttons, they're under the bottom corners. The issue is that if I touch these areas it moves the pointer. I've tried using synclient AreaBottomEdge, but that then disables the whole touchpad if I have my thumb on the dead area. Anyone know of a solution?
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> !zram | win5hit
[12:39] <TJ-> pepe221_: You could be suffering bug #574884
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> Daekdroom: can that be used on a desktop with ssd aswell?
[12:39] <Daekdroom> win5hit, you can find out whether it's enabled by running "dmesg | grep zram". If it is enabled, you'll see about 6 or 7 lines and one of them is something like "zram: Created 4 device(s) ..."
[12:39] <Daekdroom> lotuspsychje, yes
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> Daekdroom: what are the advantages of this?
[12:40] <pepe221_> TJ- and how could I fix it?
[12:40] <win5hit> Daekdroom: no zram enabled
[12:40] <Daekdroom> lotuspsychje, less paging, so in the case of SSD it means less spent writing cycles and longer drive life. Also, I'd guess better performance in situations the system is nearly out of free RAM.
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> Daekdroom: nice hint mate tnx!
[12:41] <TJ-> pepe221_: search for and read the comments in bugs related to the RV670 and test suggested work-arounds or fixes
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> Daekdroom: you wouldnt know any other gui ssd tweak tools perhaps?
[12:41] <win5hit> Daekdroom: so you are telling me that i want zram?
[12:41] <Daekdroom> lotuspsychje, no, I don't.
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> Daekdroom: ok tnx anyway
[12:41] <TJ-> pepe221_: compare your system's configuration to those described in bug reports to identify if your system is very similar in configuration to that reported in the bug
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: hello mate!
[12:42] <Daekdroom> win5hit, nope, I was trying to figure out why the values were different.
[12:42] <pepe221_> TJ- my kernel is an old kernel??
[12:42] <win5hit> Daekdroom: ok :)
[12:43] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[12:43] <pepe221_> 3.2.0-57-generic
[12:43] <TJ-> pepe221_: Have you tested the most recent liveCD image (for 13.10) to see if the problem still exists there?
[12:44] <win5hit> Daekdroom: so from the values reported by top i would say the system currently uses 312MB RAM, right?
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: he says he got issues on all ubuntu versions with that card
[12:45] <Daekdroom> win5hit, 305MB
[12:45] <win5hit> Daekdroom: ah, devided by 1024? i was lazy... :)
[12:45] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: Yeah, but trying to get specifics. pepe221_ Have you seen/tested the solution at http://askubuntu.com/questions/316490/fixed-radeon-hd-3870-driver-installation-issue-on-ubuntu-12-04-precise
[12:49] <pepe221> TJ- have you say me something, I had to reboot
[12:49] <pepe221> :S
[12:50] <TJ-> pepe221: Have you seen/tested the solution at http://askubuntu.com/questions/316490/fixed-radeon-hd-3870-driver-installation-issue-on-ubuntu-12-04-precise
[12:52] <pepe221> TJ- i'm going to try it
[12:56] <yick2> is there a  zoom pop up like this in FM? http://postimg.org/image/lrch699mn/ is this only for desktop?
[12:57] <MonkeyDust> what's FM?
[12:57] <yick2> thunar
[12:57] <yick2> or any other
[12:57] <k1l> FileManager
[13:01] <Alex4o> hi
[13:01] <Alex4o> error file /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found
[13:01] <Alex4o> i have that problem
[13:01] <Alex4o> please help
[13:02] <Rory> !grub | Alex4o
[13:04] <SaberX01> Alex4o, Similar Problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/266429/error-file-grub-i386-pc-normal-mod-not-found
[13:04] <Alex4o> how to run terminal ?
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Alex4o, alt+f2 , terminal
[13:09] <Alex4o> thanx a lot guys
[13:11] <SaberX01> BluesKaj, if you at the grub rescue >  .. ..  can you get to a console / terminal ?
[13:14] <BluesKaj> SaberX01, ctl+alt+F1-F6 , don't think I've ever been at grub rescue
[13:15] <demon^eye> i see latest VlC player is 2.1 2 ... and on ubuntu software center is 2.0.8 ? if so how can i upgrade it to latest version
[13:16] <vvf> ciao
[13:17] <vvf> !list
[13:20] <demon^eye> again ... what is the latest VLC for ubuntu ? since their site shows 2.1.2 and software center show 2.0.8
[13:20] <demon^eye> anyone?
[13:20] <ObrienDave> demon^eye, safer to stay with the repo versions
[13:21] <SaberX01> BluesKaj, yeah understand grub rescue> is for grub, grub> is Grub2 .. but dont thing he can get to a console form there.
[13:21] <demon^eye> ObrienDave,  : what do u mean?
[13:21] <SaberX01> *think
[13:22] <ObrienDave> demon^eye, the repo versions are more stable
[13:22] <demon^eye> ObrienDave,  "repo" stand for?
[13:23] <ObrienDave> demon^eye, repository. where you get the "software center" versions
[13:23] <demon^eye> ObrienDave,  :  roger that :D
[13:23] <SaberX01> !repo | demon^eye,
[13:24] <demon^eye> SaberX01, : 10x
[13:26] <SaberX01> !backports | demon^eye, Also See:
[13:28] <BluesKaj> SaberX01, I probly used "Boot Repair". it's helped me in some of those situations
[13:30] <SaberX01> demon^eye, looks like 2.1.2 is slatted for 14.04 .. fouund some PPA stuff, but unless your really need 2.1x .. ObrienDave is right, probably best to hang where your at until it's released.
[13:32] <demon^eye> SaberX01, : "release" u mean via ubuntu software center?
[13:32] <SaberX01> BluesKaj, I think BR is still in a PPA .. hope they release that soon, seems allot of folks could use that given the number of folks could use it here rescently.
[13:33] <SaberX01> demon^eye, yes, should be released when 14.04 is released.
[13:33] <BluesKaj> SaberX01, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[13:34] <hkr> is mate any good ?
[13:34] <demon^eye> SaberX01, : u mean  ubuntu 14.04  ? will it be LTS also ? and where can i see any future release of UbuntU ? 10x :)
[13:34] <hkr> or should i use gnome 2 >
[13:34] <SaberX01> BluesKaj, yeah, have to add the PPA to get it.
[13:35] <cfhowlett> demon^eye, for development releases see #ubuntu+1
[13:35] <demon^eye> ok
[13:35] <cfhowlett> hkr, yes. no. how would we know what appeals to you.  no way to answer.
[13:36] <SaberX01> demon^eye, Yes Saucy has 2.0.8 and Trusty has 2.1.2: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=saucy&keywords=vlc
[13:36] <hkr> I'm asking about stability and you know... freedom and stuff
[13:36] <Rory> hkr: In my opinion, Mate is the perfect desktop environment, however
[13:36] <jj995> is there anything dangerous about using pull-debian-source/mk-build-deps/debuild to install a package from another distribution?  I can always uninstall with apt-get remove, right?
[13:36] <Rory> !best
[13:36] <hkr> ok Rory. its xfce for me :D
[13:37] <cfhowlett> jj995, mixing distros frequently leads to unpredicatable if not disasterous results
[13:37] <hkr> which file manager does it use by default, Rory ?
[13:38] <BluesKaj> SaberX01, fortunately I used the cd , since I didn't have usb boot capability at the time
[13:38] <jj995> cfhowlett: disastrous results including not being able to just apt-get remove the thing you added to revert the disaster?
[13:38] <TJ-> jj995: Depends on the source of the 'source' :p If it's upstream Debian, for most packages, it'll be OK. But as always, it depends on the specific package and differences against the Ubuntu version
[13:38] <cfhowlett> jj995, yes that would be one possibility
[13:39] <SaberX01> BluesKaj, It looks pretty good, goes through all the stuff we plow through here on a daily basis.
[13:39] <cfhowlett> jj995, consider the attempt a nice science experiment  - probably not something to risk your production environment on ...
[13:39] <jj995> ok, I'll just build the package my self under /usr/local then
[13:40] <TJ-> jj995: I generally add a "debian/" directory to source packages I build in order to take advantage of dpkg/apt facilities later
[13:40] <SaberX01> jj995, have a look at checkinstall, makes it easy to pull it back out if things go the wrong way.
[13:40] <nikcsareb> hi
[13:40] <SaberX01> Hello
[13:41] <eoifj1> and nooow - reporting live from my fubared system! using lynx and irssi
[13:42] <SaberX01> eoifj1, could be worse, could be at grub> .. .. ..
[13:42] <Maveryck> ciao
[13:42] <nikcsareb> My touch mouse aka trackpad is unsupported by xorg input synaptics What should i do? Where should i ask or report?
[13:42] <TJ-> SaberX01: could be worser, could be at _
[13:42] <SaberX01> :-)
[13:43] <eoifj1> How comes some packages decide to remove the whole desktop environment?! (And how do I get the idea to allow that?!)
[13:43] <SaberX01> TJ-, yeah, if ya get the dreaded _  things have gone really sideways ...
[13:44] <k1l> eoifj1: depends on what packages you remove
[13:45] <jj995> SaberX01: thanks, I'll give checkinstall a try
[13:45] <eoifj1> last time I logged in I still managed to open a terminal and had about 1.5 fonts :D
[13:45] <cfhowlett> eoifj1, details?  crystal ball is in the shop ...
[13:46] <TJ-> eoifj1: If package libVital is removed, everything that depends on libVital, and everything that depends on packages that depend on libVital, get removed
[13:46] <eoifj1> I think I was installing gvim yesterday. The removal of about 100 packages happened so fast I could not stop it
[13:47] <TJ-> eoifj1: If you need to reinstall them, you ought to be able to find a log of what was removed in /var/log/apt/history.log
[13:47] <jj995> SaberX01: usually I just run make install with some preface directory like /usr/local/boost so that I can just remove /usr/local/boost if I want, but that makes it a pain since it isn't in standard search paths -- checkinstall lets you get best of both worlds, right? standard search paths + easy to remove
[13:47] <_5andr0> hey guys. i got this problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/396804/rtl8111-8168b-rev-06-ethernet-controller-not-working-with-ubuntu-12-04-03-13-1 offering some btc for a solution
[13:47] <SaberX01> jj995, Yup there's also some auto stuff that's pretty nifty too.
[13:48] <eoifj1> at the last boot I wrote a .py script to reset them to manually installed, it seemed to work, but I didn't get all of them
[13:48] <SaberX01> jj995, auto-apt run ./configure  works pretty slick
[13:48] <eoifj1> i'll reboot now, lets see what works
[13:49] <djtorr3> i have a problem with nvidia/intel optimus dual gpu in ubuntu, i'm trying to find a way to simply enable bumblebee or whatever i need to run default in unity so that i can use nvidia drivers
[13:50] <TJ-> _5andr0: Can you pastebin the output of "lspci -nn" please?
[13:50] <k1l> !away > dziegler
[13:51] <TJ-> _5andr0: If its a pain, what I want to see is the [vendor:device] PCI ID of the network device
[13:52] <_5andr0> TJ-: sure, it's a bit of a hassle. will take a while because the rig is in an ice cold cellar. brb
[13:53] <cfhowlett> *wine cellar* ??
[13:54] <eoij> There and back again. I can access the terminal after the splash screen. Still no graphical environment. I installed xorg, gnome-desktop and others.
[13:55] <TJ-> _5andr0: Arghh... OK ... also, can you tell me if it has the package "r8168-dkms" installed? " dpkg-query -l 'r8168*' | grep '^ii'  ''
[13:55] <k1l> eoij: what desktop do you want to use?
[13:55] <eoij> unity
[13:55] <k1l> eoij: make sure a 'dm is instaled, like lightdm
[13:55] <k1l> eoij: install lightdm and ubuntu-desktop
[13:56] <TJ-> eoij: lightdm should start X. is lightdm installed and the service enabled?
[13:56] <eoij> lightdm is installed, ubuntu-desktop too
[13:57] <eoij> lightdm returns "Failed to use bus name org.freeDesktop.DisplayManager"
[13:59] <k1l> eoij: are you root or a user? what command did you start lightdm with?
[13:59] <_5andr0> TJ-: Ethernet Controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 06)      brb again for the dkms package
[14:00] <eoij> I started lightdm with root
[14:00] <_5andr0> cfhowlett: wish it was a wine cellar, but no. it's an unused cellar full of spiderwebs and dust :D
[14:00] <MarkDavies_> where is the file xinetd.conf on new Ubuntus?
[14:01] <eoij> k1l: it blinks a while and when I switch to another terminal and back, the mentioned message is shown
[14:01] <MarkDavies_> well, it doesn't even have inetd/xinetd daemons. What are these replaced by?
[14:01] <k1l> start lightdm as a user with "sudo service lightdm start"
[14:02] <eoij> "Job is already running"
[14:02] <k1l> then do a "restart"
[14:02] <eoij> i stopped and started it now
[14:03] <eoij> and I even _heard_ something :D
[14:03] <eoij> the ubuntu-login-sound
[14:03] <eoij> but I see nothing except a frozen underscore
[14:04] <eoij> now i switched back and there is "lightdm started running"
[14:04] <eoij> I still get no response from "tty7"
[14:05] <pozzio> ciao, per vedere skygo mi chiede l'installazione di silverlight ma non capisco (e non mi fa capire il web) dove scaricare il programma per ubunu. Chi mi può gentilmente aiutare?
[14:05] <k1l> !it | pozzio
[14:05] <pozzio> ok
[14:06] <nashant> Hi guys, I really want to use ubuntu but I've got a problem. Just bought a new laptop and the touchpad doesn't have separate buttons, they're under the bottom corners. The issue is that if I touch these areas it moves the pointer. I've tried using synclient AreaBottomEdge, but that then disables the whole touchpad if I have my thumb on the dead area. Anyone know of a solution?
[14:06] <mazinho> helpe me
[14:06] <mazinho> meu som não funcinoa
[14:06] <mazinho> funciona
[14:07] <mazinho> my sound stopped working
[14:07] <k1l> eoij: see the logs from Xorg and syslog to get to know what is wrong there
[14:08] <mazinho> how?
[14:08] <TJ-> _5andr0: Your AskUbuntu question says you manually installed the r8168 driver, but the preferred way to install that driver is using the "r8168-dkms" package. You can download it as a single .deb and transfer it to the host, then install it manually using "sudo dpkg -i /path/to/r8168-dkms.deb" from the following link
[14:08] <nashant> mazinho: He's not talking to you
[14:09] <banex> Hello Al
[14:09] <TJ-> _5andr0: From this link choose first the Ubuntu version that is installed (for each version, prefer the -updates and -backports variations to get the latest version)
[14:10] <ddosantos> hi there, little question about memory usage
[14:11] <TJ-> _5andr0: The package is available for Quantal (12.10) and later
[14:11] <ddosantos> executing df -h I get /dev/sda7             127G   92G   30G  76% /home
[14:11] <ddosantos> but the du -sch at /home level says 88G
[14:11] <ddosantos> do I have 4G missing?
[14:14] <_5andr0> TJ-: no packages installed like that. i tried installing it like that: http://sikpigs.wordpress.com/2013/10/07/realtek-r8168-on-ubuntu-12-04/ but it sais dkms not found. u said "from this link" but i can't see a link :S
[14:15] <TJ-> _5andr0: lol I forgot to paste it! >>> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=quantal&searchon=names&keywords=r8168-dkms
[14:16] <TJ-> _5andr0: Those instructions are incomplete and don't cover blacklisting the r8169 driver and having the r8168 driver auto-load
[14:16] <TJ-> _5andr0: I suspect you'll need to use "dkms" to remove the manually installed version *first*
[14:18] <_5andr0> well, then i have to build dkms^^
[14:21] <TJ-> _5andr0: 'dkms' should be installed. What you'll need do is something along the lines of "sudo dkms remove r8168/8.0.037.00 --all"
[14:22] <TJ-> _5andr0: Then you can do the "sudo dpkg -i /path/to/r8168-dkms.deb"
[14:23] <tux31> how install sis video driver
[14:23] <_5andr0> can't find the r8168-dkms.deb package for precice lts. can i take the quantal.deb package? i swear i got an error message when using sudo dkms that dkms it wasn't found on a fresh precice desktop install
[14:23] <freefox> hi,it says "no free space on home drive, KDE cannot start" at startup, beven though I freed up space, what can I do?
[14:25] <anuvrat> I am trying to boot off a live usb of ubuntu 13.04 (works fine on one of my machines) but gives "can't stat /root/var/cache... password.dat': Input/output error" on other machine (lenovo thinkpad') ..
[14:25] <anuvrat> could someone tell me what could be the problem?
[14:25] <TJ-> _5andr0: Arghh, it might be it was optional in Precise, but I can't recall now
[14:26] <TJ-> _5andr0: Not sure if the Quantal  r8168-dkms package would work but in theory it might, since it is a source-only package. It depends on whether specific kernel patches are needed/included for the Precise kernel.
[14:27] <freefox> and it says "Error writing headers; rc = [-28]" on the console
[14:27] <TJ-> _5andr0: You could save a lot of grief if you could temporarily plug in a spare network card or USB network adapter to gain network access... anything you can 'borrow' from another system temporarily?
[14:28] <_5andr0> yea, that could work. what can i do when internet is working?
[14:28] <TJ-> _5andr0: You could ssh to it from your warm and cosy PC, and then install software/pastebin results of commands so we can help you better
[14:29] <_5andr0> great idea. brb
[14:29] <freefox> help!
[14:29] <TJ-> _5andr0: OK, I have to go run the huskies so will be away for a while; someone else should be able to pick up helping you
[14:29] <_5andr0> okay hf ;) thx
[14:30] <pikaren> why is mint ranked ahead of ubuntu on distrowatch
[14:32] <k1l> pikaren: that is a topic for the offtopic channel: #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:32] <Ronn5241> Distrowatch just measures the number of views the main website gets, it isn't the measure of how many users use those distros
[14:33] <BluesKaj> pikaren, it's political :)
[14:34] <ROPA> is there anyway to have a program play an audio file at full volume ev en if the master volume control is set to a low volume level???
[14:35] <ObrienDave> ROPA, no, that's why it's called the MASTER volume
[14:38] <ROPA> ObrienDave can a command line direct the master volume to be turned up to full, play the short audio file, then redue the master volume control back to its previous setting??? Is there really no way to do this??
[14:39] <CrzyUchiha2486> sup guys, trying to install mpv player, new to linux, any help would be appreciated
[14:39] <jrib> ROPA: sure, you can do that.  You can also set volume to more than 100% for the application
[14:39] <xangua> !find mpv
[14:40] <CrzyUchiha2486> I've tried a couple of guides to build it my self with no luck unfortunetly
[14:42] <CrzyUchiha2486> !find mpv
[14:43] <ROPA> jrib that works once, until the system reboots-
[14:43] <jrib> ROPA: what do you mean by "that".  I mentioned two options
[14:43] <djangonoob> I have got a new laptop and switched from 12.04 to 13.10 and I think my sony eye-toy which I am using for a python project is not working anymore
[14:43] <djangonoob> I see it with lsusb
[14:44] <djangonoob> I think the python code should be correct
[14:44] <ObrienDave> "sony eye-toy", wasn't that for a PS3?
[14:44] <djangonoob> it is the older one
[14:44] <ROPA> jrib when I set the sound system to play wide open for a particular application, the next time the system is rebooted, it has to be adjusted again.
[14:44] <djangonoob> for ps2 (or ps1?)
[14:44] <jrib> ROPA: ok
[14:45] <jrib> ROPA: your question is how to make that persistent?
[14:45] <eoij> still no graphics here :/
[14:45] <djangonoob> ObrienDave, it was working with the old laptop and ubuntu 12.04
[14:45] <ROPA> jrib persistance might make it work.........
[14:46] <ObrienDave> djangonoob, don't know what to tell ya. sorry
[14:46] <jrib> ROPA: i'm trying to figure out what your actual question is.
[14:46] <eoij> "trusty" tahr
[14:46] <ROPA> jrib I will elaborate............
[14:47] <ObrienDave> eoij, "trusty" support is in #ubuntu+1
[14:48] <ROPA> I want a notification to be heard even if the master volume is turned down.........in my case, I want xchat irc program to advise me when my brother comes online and I need to be able to hear it even if I'm in the next room and the master volume is set to a low setting.
[14:48] <dramon> i am using ubuntu 13.10 and have installed java plugin but firefox is not running javascript so i wonder if someone can help me figure it out
[14:48] <ROPA> jrib I want a notification to be heard even if the master volume is turned down.........in my case, I want xchat irc program to advise me when my brother comes online and I need to be able to hear it even if I'm in the next room and the master volume is set to a low setting.
[14:49] <jrib> ROPA: so as I suggested before, either make the app raise master volume, play, restore master volume or have the app raise its application volume past 100%
[14:49] <eoij> It was not the thars fault, it was mine. I guess it would also happen with other releases
[14:50] <jrib> ROPA: you need to decide on one of these options (or suggest a new one), then try to use it/implement it
[14:50] <davor> hello
[14:51] <eoij> The interesting thing is, when I do a full restart on the lightdm service, i hear the login sound every time, now the terminal in which I started it indicates that no output was found
[14:51] <djangonoob> how can I find out what ubuntu 12.04 does with my eye-toy after I connect it what ubuntu 13.10 does not?
[14:52] <eoij> tty1 says: "Failed to start NVIDIA PRIME Power Saving Mode"
[14:52] <ROPA> jrib all the programs I tried so far will only play at a setting that is limited by the master volume setting.
[14:52] <k1l> djangonoob: dmesg
[14:52] <jrib> ROPA: so as I suggested before, either make the app raise master volume, play, restore master volume or have the app raise its application volume past 100%
[14:52] <k1l> eoij: so its a video card issue with hybrid graphic
[14:53] <jrib> ROPA: to expand on the second option, with pulseaudio you can set volume past 100%.  See pavucontrol for example
[14:53] <ObrienDave> ROPA, how's this.... turn down the volume on ALL other apps except for Xchat
[14:53] <dramon> could someone help me figure it out what happen in my firefox that dont play youtube videos
[14:53] <davor> I am trying to install Ubuntu 13.10 x64 to a Lenovo G710. I can get to the bootloader, but upon selecting Install or Try without installing, I get a black screen (no backlight either, black as if the computer is off). I have tried setting SATA mode to compatible and switching from EFI to legacy, all to no avail.
[14:53] <zteam> Hi guys!
[14:54] <zteam> is there any easy way to convert a a KDE-icon theme to Gnome?
[14:54] <jrib> ROPA: I assume one can manipulate the application volume with something like pactl or pacmd.  Or that those settings can be saved and restored.  Or that they can be configured statically somewhere.  I don't know the details; I'm just suggesting a path for you to take
[14:54] <davor> If I just leave it to boot off the DVD on its own, it gets to the violet screen with the little man and keyboard drawing on the bottom, and then said black screen follows
[14:54] <eoij> k1l: So there is probably some package that was previously removed that caused this?
[14:55] <k1l> yes, possible. we still dont know what you removed. but the apt log in /var/log can tell you
[14:57] <jrib> ROPA: how do you make xchat notify you?  Is it built-in or is it launching some external application?
[14:58] <ROPA> jrib xchat has it built in......OR you can specify a sound player and the file to play........
[14:58] <k1l> jrib: its in the xchat settings
[14:59] <jrib> ROPA: so probably the easiest/kludgiest solution is to just launch a script that modifies volume, plays sound, restores volume (bonus for just modifying the app volume that's playing the sound)
[14:59] <eoij> interesting: apt held the nvidia-319-updates back.
[15:00] <ROPA> jrib ok-so I need to learn about writing scripts???
[15:00] <ObrienDave> eoij, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:00] <jrib> ROPA: it's probably handy to learn how to write a basic script, yes.  Do you use the command line at all?
[15:01] <ROPA> I'm a near beginner, and prefer the command line.
[15:01] <ROPA> jrib I'm a near beginner, and prefer the command line.
[15:02] <jrib> ROPA: a basic script is just a text file with one command per line and a special line at the very top of the form "#!/bin/bash" that has executable permissions (chmod +x script)
[15:02] <ROPA> none to the sound plyers have the ability to independently raise the mster volume level though.
[15:02] <Kartagis> Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) <--- with this audio device, all I get is a constant buzz in skype. this started happening with 13.10 update. any ideas?
[15:02] <jrib> ROPA: you can change the volume with pactl or pacmd
[15:03] <jrib> ROPA: google something like "pulseaudio volume command" or "pulseaudio pacmd pactl volume raise" etc.  I don't know the command offhand
[15:04] <ROPA> jrib ok, so script wring and pacmd and pactl are the topics I NEED TO LEARN ABOUT??!! I can do that, thanks for the nudge in the right direction !!
[15:04] <ROPA> wring = writing.
[15:05] <jrib> ROPA: yes.  Start by write some basic script that says "hello".  Then, try to figure out the commands that control volume.  Then combine your knowledge...
[15:06] <ROPA> jrib ok, that sounds like a plan-any idea how to sense the initial master volume level and then return it to that level after the alert sound is played???
[15:07] <jrib> ROPA: not offhand
[15:07] <jrib> ROPA: make that the last thing you worry about
[15:08] <ROPA> jrib ok, I'll hit the books again....Ive never written a script before, unless a .bat file in windows counts::>
[15:08] <ROPA> jrib I thank you, you were incredibly helpful.
[15:11] <LjL> ROPA: that's pretty much jrib, yeah
[15:12] <jrib> a wild LjL appears
[15:13] <mbicknell1> Anyone around the Middle Ga area?
[15:13] <Rory> !anyone | mbicknell1
[15:15] <dna__> scope-runner-dbs.py keeps crashing in my 13.10. Any ideas why?
[15:15] <mbicknell1> I'm looking for someone in the Middle GA area (Warner Robins, Macon), to give a paid session on setting up a mail server on ubuntu. Yes, paid.
[15:16] <dna__> mbicknell1, have you tried ubuntu-offtopic ?
[15:16] <mbicknell1> I will try, thank you!
[15:19] <dramon> what command should i use to deleted completely firefox and install it again without remember how was set before?
[15:19] <dramon> in the terminal
[15:19] <dna__> sudo apt-get remove firefox
[15:20] <dramon> dna__, is that better than purge?
[15:20] <dramon> cause is still putting the bookmarks
[15:20] <ObrienDave> dramon, use purge to completely remove
[15:20] <xangua> dramon: the configuration is in your home ~/.firefox
[15:21] <dramon> ObrienDave, i did but still remember the config
[15:21] <xangua> Or it was ~/.mozilla
[15:21] <jrib> dramon: you probably just want to create a new profile (firefox -ProfileManager) or rename ~/.mozilla
[15:21] <dramon> well...the problem is this...for some reason firefox stop running java
[15:23] <dennis_> dramon: did you update to firefox 26?
[15:23] <dramon> dennis_, no
[15:24] <dramon> dennis_, i just installed ubuntu 13.10
[15:25] <tacorwin> dramon: try reinstalling Java, and/or Firefox.
[15:25] <dennis_> the ubuntu updater might have updated firefox. can you check the version?
[15:25] <dramon> tacorwin, i did...although now i would like to use something stronger that apt-get purge
[15:26] <foxx> hello all. does anyone know why a loop mount does not lock the file being mounted? i.e. `mount -o loop /root/somefile.img /mnt/somepath` does not seem to lock `/root/somefile.img`, so im able to delete the file yet the mount remains there (albeit with a deleted warning inside `mount`). any ideas on why this is not done by default, and whether it can be locked?
[15:28] <jrib> foxx: does "lock" have a special meaning or are you just using it to mean "prevent from being deleted"
[15:28] <foxx> jrib: sorry, i should have been more specific. in this instance, its to prevent write/delete.
[15:28] <jrib> foxx: have you ever seen that behavior?  I haven't
[15:29] <foxx> jrib: actually, thats a good point. i dont think i have.
[15:29] <foxx> well, ive seen write lock, but not delete lock
[15:29] <jrib> foxx: why do you want that behavior?
[15:30] <tacorwin> Just do  "apt-get remove firefox firefox* java* && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get install firefox icedtea
[15:30] <dramon> xangua, when we purge firefox it also remove the configuration right?
[15:30] <xangua> dramon: no, the configuration is in your home
[15:30] <foxx> jrib: mostly to prevent accidental user fuckups. i wonder if setting sticky bit would do the trick
[15:31] <tacorwin> Whoops. Didn't finish that! dramon ^^
[15:31] <dramon> tacorwin, ok
[15:31] <jrib> foxx: depending on the scenario, permissions or chattr +i might be sufficient
[15:31] <foxx> jrib: just saw +i now, checking man page
[15:32] <foxx> that looks exactly like what i need, will give it a shot. thank you sir!
[15:32] <dramon> tacorwin, but did you read what xangua says?...the configuration is in different location
[15:39] <djzekome> q
[15:40] <tacorwin> dramon: 10:30:05 <tacorwin> Just do  "apt-get remove firefox firefox* java* && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get install firefox icedtea-6-plugin icedtea-7-plugin" also, delete the ~/.mozilla directory.
[15:41] <dramon> tacorwin, thanks...i am on it
[15:42] <tacorwin> You may also want to reinstall other versions of Java you may want/need
[15:43] <dramon> tacorwin, they working good in chrome so i dont know what happened with firefox
[15:44] <dramon> so i am just removing firefox
[15:44] <tacorwin> Also install icedtea-7-plugin and icedtea-6-plugin, if that doesn't work
[15:45] <dramon> tacorwin, thats a good idea...i think i also did
[15:46] <Dudytz> hi all .. what is a "non-interative" session?
[15:46] <TJ-> dramon: Are you aware that Firefox 26 blocks Java plug-ins by default?
[15:48] <TJ-> dramon: See https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/26.0/releasenotes/
[15:48] <dramon> TJ-, didnt know that although i just installed ubuntu 13.10 on my new system :-P
[15:49] <tacorwin> dramon, TJ-, I wasn't aware of that either.
[15:49] <TJ-> dramon: I just came back in, but I got the drift that your problem was Firefox not executing Java applets, but Chrome will... that would be one explanation
[15:49] <Dudytz> is a gnome session a "non interative" session?
[15:49] <dennis_> if you selected to download updates during ubuntu setup you will have the Firefox 26
[15:50] <dramon> TJ-, thats right but ...what we have to do then?
[15:50] <TJ-> dramon: In Firefox's Tools > Addons > Plugins, you may see that the Java plugin is set to "Ask to Activate"
[15:51] <dramon> TJ-, doesnt even show though
[15:52] <TJ-> dramon: OK... once you've re-installed the icedtea-plugin packages and restarted Firefox, the Java plugin should show up
[15:58] <dalit> i love ubuntu but have limited hardware.Im considering xubuntu but is it possible to remove dash and have xfce in ubuntu?
[15:59] <dalit> Is it possible to remove dash and have xfce in ubuntu?
[15:59] <Steve^> I'm trying to read command line email, but struggling to give the username in the right format.. if the username is steve@mydomain.com, what value do I give to "mail -u ..."?
[15:59] <HTML5lover> I know this is the ubuntu irc, but is anyone else unable to boot Fedora, OpenSUSE, or Slackware from usb?
[15:59] <owljoel> hi
[16:00] <dalit> HTML5lover : no
[16:00] <Rory> HTML5lover: Why don't you ask ##linux
[16:00] <dalit> Is it possible to remove dash and have xfce in ubuntu?
[16:00] <TJ-> Steve^: "mail -u $USER" where $USER is your logged-in username *or* another local system user that you have sufficient permissions to access their /home/$USER/ directory
[16:00] <owljoel> anyone knows where to ask about c programming?
[16:01] <TJ-> dalit: The 'dash' is part of Unity so if you use XFCE the 'dash' won't be used
[16:01] <MarkDavies> how can I learn what the ip of my computer is?
[16:01] <MarkDavies> by the use of a command line, I mean
[16:01] <daftykins> MarkDavies: ifconfig in a terminal if you want to do it command line
[16:01] <Steve^> TJ-, ah ok, in my case that doesn't match up, so I probably need to specify the file location of the mailbox?
[16:01] <dalit> TJ- can i have xfce without installing xubuntu
[16:01] <MarkDavies> daftykins: but it gives me 192.168.1.10
[16:01] <dalit> i know dash is default
[16:02] <TJ-> owljoel: Probably the "##c" channel, although we have experts in here too for Ubuntu-related questions
[16:02] <dalit> so i m ready to remove Unity
[16:02] <dramon> TJ-, i have icedtea-web plugin "always active"
[16:02] <daftykins> MarkDavies: do you mean you want your internet-facing IP?
[16:02] <owljoel> ok, thanks
[16:03] <TJ-> dalit: Yes, using "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[16:03] <MarkDavies> daftykins: exactly
[16:03] <dalit> TJ- then will it work normally?
[16:03] <daftykins> MarkDavies: well that's only possible if it were an interface on your local machine. you could wget whatismyip.com or use a text-based browser like lynx to visit whatismyip.com
[16:03] <ObrienDave> dalit, LOL it will work
[16:03] <TJ-> MarkDavies: From the command line: "wget -qO- http://ipecho.net/plain ; echo"
[16:04] <dalit> TJ- ObrienDave : i mean i have limited hardware
[16:04] <dalit> TJ- ObrienDave : no graphic card lesser RAM
[16:04] <dramon> anyway i just check and i am using firefox 25
[16:04] <MarkDavies> TJ-: it doesn't work
[16:04] <TJ-> dalit: Once xubuntu-desktop is installed you'll be able to select an XFCE session from the log-in screen, by pressing the Gear icon next to the username
[16:05] <TJ-> MarkDavies: What result do you get?
[16:05] <MarkDavies> oh, ok, there is O instead of 0
[16:05] <ObrienDave> dalit, I run Xubuntu on laptop. integrated graphics. no card. works just fine
[16:05] <dalit> TJ- i want to make that xfce the default choice. possible?
[16:06] <jj1234> is Network Manager no longer a service in 13.10?  I can't seem to be able to restart it
[16:06] <dalit> ObrienDave : ya but i want ubuntu without Unity
[16:06] <TJ-> dalit: Someone else needs to confirm this, but I believe once you've installed xubuntu-desktop you could remove ubuntu-desktop... possibly need a little more work though. Not had to do it myself in a long time
[16:06] <dalit> Unity is cumbersome
[16:07] <TJ-> jj1234: How are you trying to start it?
[16:07] <gvo> dalit that's being polite
[16:07] <ObrienDave> dalit, the core is the same, just a different desktop manager
[16:08] <jj1234> well I was just trying to restart it
[16:08] <jj1234> it's an upstart job, right?
[16:08] <dalit> gvo : LOL
[16:08] <TJ-> jj1234: Yes, "sudo service network-manager restart"
[16:08] <ObrienDave> dalit, if you remove Unity and install XFCE, you are running Xubuntu. no difference
[16:08] <jj1234> whoa, ok so that works
[16:09] <jj1234> so it doesn't work if I run it as the root user
[16:09] <dramon> ok there is a option in help firefox menu where you can restart firefox with all add-on dissabled and re-install firefox as originally comes so i got to get it fixed...thanks guys
[16:09] <dalit> ObrienDave : then its fine
[16:09] <ObrienDave> yes
[16:09] <jj1234> i'm not sure I understand that
[16:09] <dalit> ObrienDave : i will do it that way
[16:09] <FiremanEd> dalit: you could opt by just installing sudo apt-get install xfce4
[16:09] <TJ-> jj1234: Yes, "sudo" provides root privileges.
[16:10] <dalit> FiremanEd : then i will get rid of Unity?
[16:10] <jj1234> right, but how come when I run it as the root user, it says 'unknown job: network-manager'
[16:10] <TJ-> jj1234: Depends how you switch to 'root'. The login environment may not be fully set-up. You should use "sudo -i"
[16:11] <jj1234> yep, wasn't using 'su -'
[16:11] <jj1234> just doing 'su'
[16:11] <TJ-> jj1234: aha
[16:11] <FiremanEd> dalit: no, removing unity is not recommended, but you can go all the way and do a Ubuntu minimal install. You install only the packages you want and in your case you would add xfce4 to the list of packages to install (not Gnome or Unity). That way you will get no packages from Xubuntu, except the ones you have selected.
[16:11] <jj1234> fantastic, thanks
[16:12] <daum_> anyone have the lenovo u510? thinking about getting one refurbed and was curious if people like it with ubuntu
[16:12] <OerHeks> !nounity
[16:13] <dalit> FiremanEd : ya somebody even suggested me "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[16:13] <FiremanEd> dalit: If I recall xubuntu-desktop has a dropdown at login to use xfce
[16:14] <ObrienDave> dalit, that will get you a more "complete" DE
[16:14] <ObrienDave> FiremanEd, yes, xfce and xubuntu dropdown
[16:15] <dalit> ok then gong for ubuntu install with xfce interface added later
[16:15] <allstarsnorks2> Hi guys, I am unable to log into my account after changing to a Gnome theme on Ubuntu GNOME.
[16:15] <FiremanEd> dalit: good deal
[16:16] <dalit> thanks guys
[16:16] <isidore> hello , everyone, I met a problem
[16:17] <allstarsnorks2> How do I log back into Ubuntu GNOME after getting stuck on a login screen?
[16:17] <isidore> I develop an IM software, server program runs in linux, and Client program runs in windows
[16:18] <isidore> linux can receive Net Packet from windows, but windwos can't receive Net Packet from linux
[16:18] <isidore> who can tell me why?
[16:19] <TJ-> isidore: Without seeing your application source-code and test-rig, no-one. What steps have you taken so far to diagnose the issue?
[16:20] <isidore> the server source code  and client source run windows, and there is no problem
[16:21] <isidore> @<TJ-> how can I show you my application and source code to ?
[16:21] <TJ-> isidore: Sounds as if you need to check the network connectivity, routing, and firewalls
[16:23] <moi> hi
[16:24] <moi> salut
[16:24] <moi> ok
[16:25] <isidore> there is another phenemenon about linux can't ping windows success, howerver windows can ping linux success
[16:25] <moi> fine
 but there are so many IM software in the business market, they could't make every client user to think their  e network connectivity, routing, and firewalls
[16:29] <jos-z> Weet iemand iets voor de installatie van Lexmark z1270
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> !nl | jos-z
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> !lexmark | jos-z
[16:34] <jos-z> lotuspsychje> Dat ga ik even proberen
[16:36] <Merce> Hola
[16:37] <choxte> hola merce
[16:37] <Merce> ola choxte
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> !es | Merce
[16:37] <Merce> ok
[16:38] <Merce> eoooooooo
[16:38] <choxte> que pasa merce?
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> english guys
[16:38] <Merce> no se eskee nadieeennn habla
[16:39] <choxte> aqui se hanla inglés solamente merce
[16:39] <choxte> habla*
[16:39] <Merce> no
[16:39] <Merce> poco
[16:39] <Merce> bueno po entonces me boi
[16:39] <litropy> I'm running ubuntu from an external HD. My internal HD is damaged, however it does mount. When I attempt to browse my user folders, I get a permissions error. Is this a simple case of chown?
[16:39] <Merce> adios
[16:40] <choxte>  bye
[16:40] <_nix_> litropy, indeed. Try browsing as a root user
[16:40] <shreezbot_> Hi!  I'm looking for a way to have all files created in a directory have the permissions bits set to 666.  Do you guys know of a way to do this?
[16:40]  * hardis 5x5 on
[16:41] <arunkumar413> I friends, I want to create sqlite database the GUI way. is there any good application for ubuntu
[16:41]  * hardis 5x5 on
[16:41] <_nix_> arunkumar413, yeah.. look for sqlite manager in firefox addons
[16:42] <qin> !es | choxte
[16:42] <hardis> nix
[16:42] <hardis>  cm?
[16:42] <hardis> 5x5
[16:42] <hardis> ?
[16:42] <hardis> ?
[16:42] <FloodBot1> hardis: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:42] <_nix_> Heh
[16:42] <arunkumar413> _nix_: ya, I've tried that but having issues with foreign keys
[16:42] <litropy> _nix_, thanks. where can I find my drive in bash, anyway? /media only has floppies; when I try sda2 (which is my mounted, damaged drive), it tells me it's not a directory. 'b' is next to sda2's listing.
[16:43]  * hardis 5x5 cm?
[16:43]  * hardis 5x5 on
[16:43] <demophobia> Can Ubuntu get viruses from visiting porn websites?
[16:44] <TJ-> demophobia: Not as easily as you can :p
[16:44] <OerHeks> litropy, 'mount' should tell you where
[16:44] <_nix_> litropy, try "mount | grep sda2" in bash and it should show you where sda2 is mounted
[16:44] <ObrienDave> TJ-, rofl
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> demophobia: you should always be prudent for forms of malware
[16:44] <demophobia> ObrienDave, ?
[16:45] <_nix_> arunkumar413, not sure then heh. I do this stuff with mysql workbench but that's for mysql alone I think
[16:45] <demophobia> lotuspsychje, of course, but I am not the only user of this computer ...
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> demophobia: if you hit a malicious banner, while pc banking...things can happen right
[16:46] <demophobia> "pc banking"?
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> demophobia: keep a healthy paranoia, is my point
[16:46] <foxx> lotuspsychje: anything can happen when your browsing.
[16:46] <glitsj16> arunkumar413: have you tried sqliteman yet? should be in the ubuntu repos
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> foxx: true
[16:46] <foxx> lotuspsychje: there is no 100% way to prevent all attacks, the best you can do is layer multiple defences
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> foxx: agree on that
[16:47] <_nix_> Browsing with javascript and plugins disabled helps
[16:47] <foxx> but a great start would be to disable flash, java, javascript (unless pre-auth'd), anti virus where possible, lowered user permissions.. etc
[16:47] <TJ-> arunkumar413: what issues are you having? which version of sqlite are you using?
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> !security | demophobia
[16:48] <rah> my parents' machine has Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) on it
[16:49] <rah> it has a GNOME 2 desktop
[16:49] <rah> I want to upgrade it
[16:49] <_nix_> rah, awesome
[16:49] <foxx> lotuspsychje: if you want to do crazy, then throw in a passive DPI such as snort, or sourcefire. run your workspace inside a virtual machine with snapshots that revert on every run. check for root kits from a clean OS with your virtual machine bind mounted in
[16:49] <arunkumar413> TJ-: I'm unable to define a foreign key
[16:49] <rah> but if their desktop changes, they'll shout at me
[16:49] <shreezbot_> So does anyone know of a way to have all files created in a directory created with certain permissions bits?  For example, I want all files created in /media/data1/ to have permissions bits of 766 regardless of the user who created the files....
[16:49] <foxx> lotuspsychje: the question is, what are you trying to protect, and how far do you want to go to protect it
[16:49] <rah> so, can I upgrade to a recent release of Ubuntu and retain the GNOME 2 desktop?
[16:49] <foxx> lotuspsychje: because honestly, this can escalate all the way to sitting inside your own home built faraday cage. im not joking :)
[16:49] <gordonjcp> rah: it's no longer developed
[16:49] <_nix_> rah, there's a MATE desktop
[16:50] <litropy> _nix_, nevermind, I was ssh'ed into another box, thinking it was my computer.
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> foxx: i know this, demophobia started the question
[16:50] <OerHeks> rah no, gnome2 is dead
[16:50] <foxx> ahh
[16:50] <TJ-> arunkumar413: Show us the syntax you're using, and tell us the sqlite version
[16:50] <_nix_> litropy, lol
[16:50] <foxx> my bad, misread your message!
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> no sweat :p
[16:50] <foxx> demophobia: be afraid!
[16:50] <_nix_> shreezbot_, you can try that with a umask I guess
[16:50] <arunkumar413> TJ-: actually , i'm doing the GUI way
[16:51] <foxx> total paranoia is total awareness. but additional security is usually a pita.
[16:51] <rah> _nix_: will the MATE desktop retain the panel layout, etc., of a user's GNOME 2 desktop?
[16:51] <gordonjcp> rah: maybe, maybe not
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys
[16:51] <gordonjcp> MATE is the hacked-about reanimated corpse of Gnome 2
[16:51] <_nix_> rah, MATE desktop kinda looks like gnome2 but there's some difference somewhere. I haven't really used it, KDE fellow here heh
[16:51] <_nix_> Yes, what gordonjcp said
[16:51] <gordonjcp> rah: just use Unity like a normal person
[16:52] <shreezbot_> _nix_, I'll try to google that...  Thanks!  :)
[16:52] <OnkelTem> Hi all. Can anybody clarify what is the key difference between Xubuntu and Lubuntu? If both are minimal, then why two?
[16:52] <demophobia> What calendar program should I use? Can I export my iCal calendars into it?
[16:52] <rah> gordonjcp: the issue isn't what I want to use
[16:52] <rah> gordonjcp: the issue is what will prevent my parents from shouting at me
[16:52] <rah> gordonjcp: Unity will make my parents shout at me
[16:52] <gordonjcp> rah: no, it won't
[16:52] <rah> gordonjcp: eh?
[16:52] <gordonjcp> rah: it took my mum all of about ten seconds to figure it out
[16:53] <ObrienDave> rah, only until they get used to it ;P
[16:53] <gordonjcp> it's much quicker than Gnome 2 used to be
[16:53] <rah> gordonjcp: that doesn't contradict what I said
[16:53] <_nix_> shreezbot_, but umask would apply to your login shell. As in, do "umask 0111" in bash and then any file you create would have 0666 perms
[16:54] <TJ-> arunkumar413: I'd recommend checking you can do it from the sqlite shell first. If that works, it narrows the issue down to the GUI you use
[16:54] <rah> is MATE the only fork in Ubuntu?
[16:54] <arunkumar413> glitsj16: now I've tried the sqliteman, but there is no option to define a foreign key
[16:54] <rah> is Cinamon in Ubuntu?
[16:55] <rah> (sp?)
[16:55] <shreezbot_> _nix_, Oh, that might not work for me then.  There is an application running as another user that is creating the files...  :(
[16:55] <rah> Cinnamon
[16:56] <phillyj> will i get some error if I install both IDE and SATA optical drives in my machine?
[16:56] <shreezbot_> _nix_, I have another task, running as another user, that needs to be able to have full rw access to the files, but it can't because it doesn't have permission...  :(
[16:56] <_nix_> rah, there's Cinnamon in Ubuntu. I'd suggest trying out mint.
[16:57] <_nix_> shreezbot_: oh, hmm.
[16:57] <rah> _nix_: why mint?
[16:57] <litropy> _nix_,  so I'm now ready to (attempt to) copy my user directory from my damaged HD to my external HD, where I'm running Ubuntu. I'm using root. Will that set the owner of all files and directories to root, or will they be unaffected? Eventually, I'd like to chown it all to my Ubuntu user.
[16:58] <rah> hmm
[16:58] <rah> scratch that
[16:58] <_nix_> rah, mint because Cinnamon is their child and they have the best implementation
[16:58] <glitsj16> arunkumar413: i'm with TJ-: even when you use a sqlite GUI you will have to enter properly syntaxed and correct sql commands, a GUI isn't pure magic
[16:58] <rah> I read "mint" as "MATE"
[16:59] <_nix_> litropy, depends on how you're copying. If you do it with cp -a it'll preserve ownership and permissions. You can always do a recursive chown anyway though
[16:59] <_nix_> shreezbot_, is this process creating files as well?
[16:59] <litropy> _nix_, thx
[17:00] <_nix_> litropy, I
[17:01] <TJ-> arunkumar413: I've ust used sqliteman to create 3 tables, the third having two foreign key definitions to the other tables
[17:01] <_nix_> litropy, I'd suggest using something like scalpel if it's a damaged HD
[17:01] <shreezbot_> _nix_, Well, there is the process creating the files running as one user, and then another process that needs to be able to move the files running as another user...
[17:02] <_nix_> shreezbot_, how about putting both users in the same group and applying group read/write umask on them?
[17:02] <arunkumar413> TJ-: then when adding the record how do we select the foreign key
[17:02] <rah> thanks
[17:02] <_nix_> litropy, oh check this out http://foremost.sourceforge.net/ :)
[17:03] <litropy> _nix_ too late for that, already started cp. Will check it out while I wait, though.
[17:03] <shreezbot_> _nix_, That sounds like exactly what I'd like to do...
[17:05] <Rick_> first timer : what are hot topics?
[17:05] <RiotingPacifist> When I try and add a connection i get Error: Failed to add/activate new connection: (32) No session found for uid 1000 (unknown), but polkit is set to allow me to create connections and doing it as root works
[17:06] <shreezbot_> _nix_, Actually, if both users are members of the same group, so I even need to set a umask?
[17:07] <_nix_> shreezbot_, I -think- the default umask is 0022 which translates to u=rwx,g=rx,o=rx in Ubuntu. Can't verify it right now though.
[17:07] <kalon33> Hello everybody, someone else experiencing 404 errors downloading updates using archive.ubuntu.com?
[17:08] <user82> is there still a way to dynamically hide the side-bar in Ubuntu 13.10. Like when you have a full screen app running?
[17:08] <_nix_> shreezbot_, ohh how are you launching the other process? You can also make a shell script to call umask 0111 before launching the process, that'll work too.
[17:09] <cristian_c> Hi
[17:09] <_nix_> cristian_c, hey
[17:09] <cristian_c> I've purchased a serial to usb adapter
[17:09] <_nix_> cristian_c, eep
[17:09] <cristian_c> _nix_, hello
[17:09] <cristian_c> I've tried it with a serial mouse, for example
[17:10] <shreezbot_> _nix_, It is getting launched by "/etc/init.d/couchpotato start"
[17:10] <cristian_c> I've tried the mdetect command
[17:10] <_nix_> shreezbot_, oh cool. You can edit the init script to achieve this
[17:10] <cristian_c> and the terminal has returned intellimouse
[17:11] <cristian_c> then, I've set intellimouse protocol with the inputattach command
[17:11] <cristian_c> I've found a new input device in xinput list
[17:11] <shreezbot_> _nix_, Sweet!  Thanks for all of your help with this!  :)
[17:11] <cristian_c> but I don't know how to enable it
[17:12] <glitsj16> kalon33: seems down here too for the moment, you can always use http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[17:12] <cristian_c> I've noticed a strange thing, also: if I disconnect the mouse, I see the new device in xinput list yet :O
[17:12] <_nix_> shreezbot_, :)
[17:12] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[17:12] <cristian_c> :)
[17:13] <kalon33> glitsj16, thanks, didn't know that one :)
[17:14] <ddsss> what skype alternative do you guys use if any?
[17:14] <ObrienDave> kalon33, or, select a different mirror
[17:14] <TJ-> arunkumar413: Did you do "pragma foreign_keys = ON;" for the database?
[17:14] <ObrienDave> ddsss, there is no skype alt. afaik
[17:15] <kalon33> ObrienDave, I did that, but it doesn't solve the server problem
[17:15] <ddsss> ObrienDave, jitsi?
[17:15] <ddsss> ObrienDave, https://prism-break.org/en/subcategories/linux-video-voice/
[17:16] <t-rex_> hi
[17:16] <arunkumar413> can we use libreoffice base to create sqlite db
[17:16] <Rick_> exit
[17:17] <kostkon> ddsss, viber? only 64bit deb atm
[17:17] <ddsss> kostkon, have you used it?
[17:18] <kostkon> ddsss, no
[17:18] <ddsss> kostkon, I guess I should have addedd: open-source
[17:18] <kostkon> ddsss, right
[17:19] <HiItsNick> which unix operation system should i install on my computer? specs processor: 1.8ghz ram 2gb graphic card nvdia geforce6200 turbochace
[17:19] <HiItsNick> sorry if its offtopic
[17:19] <litropy> _nix_, alright, everything looks good, and I'm ready to chown. Is it just:  chown myuser:mygroup *
[17:20] <_nix_> litropy, you want to do chown -R myuser:mygroup .. to apply it to everything inside as well
[17:20] <OerHeks> HiItsNick, try xubuntu
[17:21] <litropy> _nix_, that's for when I'm in the directory I just copied, right?
[17:21] <HiItsNick> ok.. im lagging on this machine..
[17:21] <HiItsNick> win7..
[17:21] <jos-z> quit for search
[17:21] <_nix_> litropy, right. You can supply a path to chown as well
[17:22] <litropy> _nix_, thx
[17:22] <HiItsNick> thanks oerheks
[17:22] <_nix_> litropy, :)
[17:24] <anonymous__> do you know how to hack a facebook account???
[17:25] <_nix_> Heh
[17:25] <ObrienDave> anonymous__, seriously?? ROFLMAO
[17:25] <_nix_> I know but I'm not telling
[17:25] <HiItsNick> i know
[17:25]  * _nix_ highfives HiItsNick.
[17:25] <anonymous__> please
[17:25] <HiItsNick> download rat.zip
[17:26] <HiItsNick> and run server.exe
[17:26] <phillyj> HiItsNick: mint? for your old pc
[17:26] <anonymous__> r u sure ur not hacking me with this
[17:26] <anonymous__> !!
[17:26] <HiItsNick> im using ubuntu for 3 years
[17:26] <HiItsNick> but my parents pc is running slowly
[17:27] <HiItsNick> and i want to suggest them a fast unix system
[17:27] <HiItsNick> i dont now what to install
[17:27] <HiItsNick> know*
[17:27] <_nix_> HiItsNick, how about.. lubuntu?
[17:27] <HiItsNick> hm lemme read a review about it
[17:28] <anonymous__> were to download rat.zip
[17:28] <OerHeks> Hacking is byond the scope of this channel, anonymous__ ( do not suggest those solutions here HiItsNick )
[17:28] <OerHeks> !ot
[17:29] <_nix_> I think we were just trolling xD
[17:29] <ObrienDave> anonymous__, you will NOT receive help for this topic here
[17:29] <anonymous__> from were
[17:29] <gordonjcp> OerHeks: s/hacking/cracking/
[17:29] <gordonjcp> tyvm
[17:30] <HiItsNick> anonymous join anonops
[17:30] <HiItsNick> not freenode
[17:31] <k1l> !lubuntu | HiItsNick
[17:31] <HiItsNick> thanks you guys
[17:34] <phillyj> HiItsNick: im using mint on a P4 HT 10 year old PC
[17:35] <jhutchins> !mint
[17:35] <actu> please can any one help im in desspret need to hack a facebook account?????
[17:35] <HiItsNick> does linux mint use the same commands as ubuntu?
[17:35] <HiItsNick> apt-install etc
[17:36] <k1l> actu: aka anonymous__  you were already told that this is forbidden here
[17:36] <ObrienDave> for the most part. not 100%
[17:36] <HiItsNick> actu
[17:36] <HiItsNick> pray to god 9 times a day
[17:36] <HiItsNick> and then u will receive a facebook account hacker
[17:37] <ObrienDave> lol
[17:37] <actu> i do pray to 12 times a day
[17:37] <HiItsNick> pray 9 times a day or die with a small penis
[17:37] <HiItsNick> god loves anal
[17:37] <gvo> Must be praying to the wrong god.
[17:37] <HiItsNick> i should know
[17:37] <gvo> Try Vishnu.
[17:38] <k1l> guys, lets keep it family friendly and to technical ubuntu support in here.
[17:38] <gordonjcp> ugh, "family friendly"
[17:38]  * Mongo44 agrees with k1l.
[17:38] <gordonjcp> offensive
[17:39] <bigbadben> when I compile something from source why is that the executable only works from that folder I compiled from but not from my path?
[17:40] <llutz> bigbadben: it relys on other files located in the srcdir?
[17:41] <TJ-> bigbadben: Maybe because it relies on other files with relative paths from the present working directory, or the executable directory?
[17:41] <llutz> bigbadben: check for the usage of relative pathers
[17:41] <llutz> -r
[17:43] <gvo> bigbadben: define "works"  Error message??
[17:46] <bigbadben> gvo I guess "works" means that if I click on the executable in that folder it will exectue but its not installed in my applications or anything like that
[17:46] <gvo> bigbadben: So you have to add it to your path or add it to your menu system.
[17:47] <gvo> bigbadben: depending on how you want to call it, or you could create a link on your desktop.  Your choice.
[17:48] <bigbadben> gvo, ok but when I apt-get something where does it get added I guess
[17:49] <gvo> Depends a lot on what your're adding.
[17:50] <gvo> If there is a script in the package to add it to the menu system, it'll go there, for instance.
[18:00] <mason-> Anyone here have any experience with Ubuntu's PPA for Native ZFS for Ubuntu? If so, what has your experience been?
[18:02] <Guest92157> ciao a tutti
[18:03] <Guest92157> !list
[18:07] <n1n0> hi. trying to share files between ubuntu 12.04 and 13.10. got ssh server and openssh, and when trying to browse the files from ubuntu 12 machine to ub.13, it works via Files-Connect to the server where I can choose between ftp, ssh... and manually enter IP, yet from 13 I cannot access 12, and the "Connect to server" window doesn't offer to choose between ssh,ftp...connection
[18:12] <veke> hello there, Is there a reason why a dameon won't start on my ubuntu 13.10 with error "Cannot assign requested address" ? i tried changing the port and looking at netstat if the port was busy but it's not
[18:13] <jhutchins> veke: Yes.
[18:13] <bekks> veke: Which daemon then?
[18:14] <gvo> permissions?
[18:14] <jhutchins> n1n0: There's an sshfs that's been intermittently available under fuse, but generally an ssh connection isn't browsable.
[18:14] <jhutchins> n1n0: cifs/samba is probably the easiest way to make it browsable.
[18:14] <bekks> gvo: Unavailability of the address configured most likely.
[18:15] <Pavelcz> Can Ubuntu 13.10 be upgraded to next version when it comes out ?
[18:15] <bekks> Pavelcz: Yes.
[18:15] <jhutchins> Pavelcz: Yes.
[18:15] <Pavelcz> Thanks. Already running on it ;)
[18:16] <n1n0> jhutchins samba was ok to connect to xp station, yet didn't recognize another ubuntu
[18:16] <n1n0> is there a way to downgrade 13 to 12 distro?
[18:17] <bekks> n1n0: No. You have to reinstall.
[18:17] <HiItsNick> can some1 tell me what exactly ubuntu tv is
[18:21] <veke> bekks, it's an uncommon daemon
[18:21] <veke> jhutchins, which ?
[18:22] <DJones> HiItsNick: This is probably the best place to look that up, http://www.ubuntu.com/tv/ Still something in development though
[18:23] <HiItsNick> i checked it but stil i cant understand what ubuntu tv is
[18:23] <HiItsNick> an app or a tv?
[18:23] <HiItsNick> dumb question.
[18:24] <jimgroth> hi
[18:24] <gordonjcp> HiItsNick: it's a suite of applications, based around Ubuntu and the Unity desktop and intended for use as "smart TV" firmware
[18:24] <jimgroth> How would one go about resuming a disconnected SSH session?
[18:24] <gordonjcp> HiItsNick: think along the lines of XBMC
[18:25] <gordonjcp> jimgroth: ssh to the box you got disconnected from, resume whatever you were doing
[18:25] <zx> hello.guys .i have  problem with __-i have a dangerous icon in my icon.remind me something need to update.but when i update.it show that can't download ?is there anyone can tell my why?what happende/
[18:25] <jimgroth> when connect again (using putty) it starts a new session.
[18:25] <gordonjcp> jimgroth: if you want stuff to stay working while you're disconnected, look into using screen or tmux
[18:25] <zx> ubuntu 12.0
[18:25] <zx> 12.10
[18:25] <jimgroth> thanks. Looking into to those. :)
[18:26] <gordonjcp> jimgroth: they're great
[18:26] <HiItsNick> is it possible to install it on my own tv?
[18:26] <HiItsNick> http://en.the-ghost.com/2012/01/how-to-install-ubuntu-tv-on-any-tv.html
[18:27] <lonewulf85> Hello I am having trouble logging into my PC, When I boot I get an error about my xserver Is there a way to coorect this from a live boot Ubuntu
[18:27] <gordonjcp> HiItsNick: not really
[18:27] <HiItsNick> oh now i got it
[18:27] <HiItsNick> thanks you
[18:27] <gordonjcp> HiItsNick: you could install it on a PC, and stick it under your TV
[18:27] <zx> lonewulf85: is your name and password right?
[18:28] <HiItsNick> oh thanks you
[18:30] <lonewulf85> zx, It does not even get that far the screen freezes at the Ubuntu splash screen then flashes a warning about my Input, screen or graphics card.
[18:31] <demophobia> Does ubuntu 12.04 LTS not have a default Calendar app? I've searched Dash Home and it comes up empty.
[18:31] <lonewulf85> zx, I have tried running Xorg -configure and I get an error about the number of displays not being correct. It is on a netbook.
[18:31] <lonewulf85> demophobia, try clicking on the clock.
[18:32] <demophobia> lonewulf85, thank you, but I am looking for a replacement for iCalendar, coming from Mac OS X.
[18:33] <zx> demophobia:try comand order:
[18:33] <lonewulf85> demophobia, You can try searching the Ubuntu software center, as for a default built in one the clock is the only one that I know of.
[18:34] <demophobia> Thank you. zx, what do you mean "comand order"?
[18:34] <zx> i just have a guess
[18:35] <lonewulf85> zx, the driver that I need is an ati/radeon driver.
[18:35] <zx> demophobia
[18:35] <lonewulf85> zx, could something like this work if I replace the nvidia with ATI    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[18:35] <sam_> http://pastebin.com/9dX4BRY3      trying to repair my grub after reinstalling windows. can't figure out which sda I should choose. can somone give a hand?
[18:36] <lonewulf85> sam_, What is the order of your installation?
[18:36] <zx> be careful with your grub.sam_
[18:36] <zx> that can ruin you
[18:36] <zx> haha
[18:37] <sam_> lonewulf85 I had windows installed first then I installed ubuntu on another partition
[18:37] <sam_> if thats what you asking
[18:37] <zx> i have to sleep now ! goodbye guys
[18:37] <zx> sorry to lonewulf85 again
[18:37] <sam_> zx yeah ok will be carefull have messed up with grub afew times
[18:38] <zx> ok ok .good luck sam_
[18:38] <lonewulf85> sam_, then grub should have installed just fine, try booting into the live boot disc you used to install and the serach for installing GRUB form a live disc.
[18:39] <lonewulf85> sam_, on the internet.
[18:39] <sam_> so command sudo apt-get install grub????
[18:40] <sam_> oh no you are miss understanding I mean after ubuntu was installed I had to reinstall my windows for some reason now I don't have any grub installed
[18:40] <DJones> !grub | sam_ This should help with reinstalling grub after a windows install,
[18:40] <sam_> I know I have to install grub now please help me install my grub
[18:41] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Reinstalling_GRUB_2
[18:42] <alumno> lo
[18:44] <irc-5225225> I'm having issues with nmcli, connecting to my wireless router. It often drops out, or just doesn't work at all. I'm using a usb wireless adapter.
[18:44] <sam_> yeah thats the problem DJones after this command ls -l /dev/disk/by-label/   I get this result http://pastebin.com/uBsbhsAT
[18:45] <sam_> and non of those sda patitions look like linux
[18:46] <vik> my ubuntu was fine few hours before . after restart ubuntu logo comes and then just a blank screen . So can any one provide solution for this
[18:46] <vik> i think its problem with Radeon graphics driver
[18:46] <ObrienDave> !nomodeset | vik
[18:48] <Beldar> sam_, This tool has a script, the bootinfo summary that gives more detailed info run just it and paste, the url generated. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[18:49] <vik> but it was working fine for around a month .k thanks ubottu . will look into it
[18:51] <sam_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6652832/             here is the link from bootrepair
[18:53] <Beldar> sam_, I see no install partition, sda4 is an extended, the sda5 is a swap.
[18:53] <Beldar> windows is there no ubuntu or at least unallocated if it was
[18:53] <sam_> so you mean I have installed windows on ubuntu's sda
[18:54] <sam_> its unallocated I havn't mount it
[18:54] <Beldar> sam_, Only you would know that I see what is there now.
[18:54] <ObrienDave> sam_, sda is the first hard drive
[18:54] <ObrienDave> sda1 is first partition on first hard drive
[18:55] <Beldar> sam_, The extended is 285 gigs was ubuntu in there as a logical partition?
[18:56] <sam_> yes my ubuntu partition used to be 285 gigs there was a patition in there
[18:57] <douglarret> how can I mount my osx partition in r/w mode from 13.10?
[18:57] <Beldar> sam_, You can look at gparted on the live cd/usb it is either unallocated or gone from what I can see.
[18:57] <jhutchins> douglarret: What filesystem is it?
[18:58] <sam_> can you please give me the command I should use? I bit newbie
[18:58] <sam_> oh now I got what you mean
[18:58] <Beldar> sam_, gparted is a gui partitioner.
[18:59] <sam_> its unallocated. how can I allocate it?
[19:00] <Beldar> sam_, Not sure there is a fix, you have any backups?
[19:02] <sam_> nope no backup but last time this command worked (now it doesn't) http://pastebin.com/qM1GSUYe
[19:05] <Beldar> sam_, sda6 seems to have been in the extended, it is the unallocated as of now right?
[19:05] <sam_> oh by the way the ubuntuu that was installed on my system was 13.10 but my live usb is 12.04 . that shouldn't cause a problem right?
[19:06] <Beldar> sam_, not in general no.
[19:06] <sam_> now sda4 is unallocated (extended file system) not sda6  , sda6 exist no more (I don't know why)
[19:08] <irvingd_> Hi - quick q. I've recently done an apt-get upgrade which took me from 3.11.0-12-generic to 3.11.0-14-generic. I lost all sound and aplay -l is empty. Any clues on where to look?
[19:08] <sam_> I'm sorry I think my last sentence was unclear. sda6 doesn't exist anymore or at least I cannot mount it
[19:08] <sam_> sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/mount: special device /dev/sda6 does not exist
[19:08] <Beldar> sam_, show a screenshot of gparted, I'm wondering if you understand the extended as a container for logicals.
[19:09] <michael2> I am having a weird issue with my video, xrandr is showing up as LVDS connected 1366x768+-32768+-32768 and I cannot change the mode of the video. Actual output of the video is weird shapes and patterns
[19:09] <WhatIsTheMatrix> irvingd_: a lot of times when the kernel gets upgraded i've had to go and unmute and/or turn back up, all the sound channels
[19:10] <michael2> nevermind, fixed it....
[19:11] <irvingd_> WhatIsTheMatrix: If I go in to alsamixer and attempt to select the HDMI audo device, it says 'This sound device does not have any controls'.
[19:11] <irvingd_> (didn't do that pre upgrade. Also errors in dmesg about 'hda-codec: No codec parser is available')
[19:12] <sam_> http://i.imgur.com/GJWFcLv.png
[19:13] <WhatIsTheMatrix> irvingd_: okay, sounds like your problem is not what i've encountered when kernel gets upgraded... sorry. newer kernel has always still had the drivers working
[19:13] <irvingd_> WhatIsTheMatrix: Thanks anyway! :)
[19:14] <WhatIsTheMatrix> irvingd_: sure. what do you get if you do? --> lspci -v | grep HDMI
[19:15] <david38400> I am having problems with some DVD's. I originally converted Videos to DVD using my LG DVD recorder. This has recorded them all in a video_ts file format. Maybe something is wrong with my LG player now, but I can't get them to work on another DVD player that seems to play most formats. Is this format video_ts unique to LG which would mean I have to buy another player to watch these DVD's
[19:15] <Beldar> sam_, So sda4 is okay, the extended, it is the sda6 that is missing that is the unallocated and was a logical partition, the sda5 is unknown as well. Did you ever resolve the flexnet error in the mbr, from your link?
[19:15] <irvingd_> WhatIsTheMatrix: Gives me: 1:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Turks/Whistler HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 6000 Series]
[19:15] <sam_> no I never did
[19:16] <sam_> but anyway ubuntu started working well
[19:16] <sam_> before not now
[19:16] <sam_> I didn't need to fix flexnet error
[19:16] <WhatIsTheMatrix> irvingd_: okay. i don't know how to help much more. but it looks like the kernel/os can at least see the device is there
[19:17] <constl> Hello, I'm trying to set a home laptop with Ubuntu and remote control it from my Mac. I'm running into some locale problems with python applications e.g. glances, mosh etc. Any hints?
[19:17] <neil> can anyone help new ubuntu user here
[19:17] <irvingd_> WhatIsTheMatrix: I'll keep digging :)  Thanks!
[19:17] <neil> flash player is not working in chromium
[19:17] <intrader> I hope this is a question that can be answered here. My tomboy application does not show a menu on ubuntu 12.04. How do I tell ubuntu to show menu for an application?
[19:17] <vik> ubottu : really thank u . It worked 8-)
[19:18] <Beldar> sam_, Cool, that was a problem for a bit, there are recovery apps, I would have everything there backed up before running however if needed.
[19:18] <vik> what Bot ?
[19:18] <david38400> Can I import from a DVD a video_ts format and convert to DVD? Any help please
[19:19] <sam_> http://pastebin.com/TU8Y8cNe         take a look at the result of this command. last time this command fixed all my problems but now this
[19:19] <vik> ubottu: if ur bot , then how could u give a exact solution
[19:19] <sam_> Thanks for helping me by the way
[19:19] <AcidRain2012> how can i search all directives recursively for files with " - " in their name?
[19:20] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: i'm not familiar with using tomboy. does it normally have a menu that you are used to using?
[19:21] <mattintech> AcidRain2012: not sure if there is a better way... but:  sudo find / | grep " - "
[19:21] <Beldar> sam_, grub is in the OS now missing and the mbr, in conjuction they boot ubuntu and windows as well.
[19:21] <neil__> flash player wont work in chromium anyone help??
[19:21] <intrader> If I restart tomboy, the first tomboy window has a menu.
[19:22] <sam_> so what should I do?
[19:22] <TJ-> AcidRain2012: "find / -name '*-*'  "
[19:22] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, sorry I answered without your nick
[19:22] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: oh, i see. have you tried hovering your mouse over the bar at the very top of the screen?
[19:23] <sam_> this thing never happens on my other laptop but this one keeps doing this . everytime I reinstall windows I have alot of problem with ubuntu :(
[19:23] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, yes. Once I close the first window, I loose the menu from any window related to tomboy notebooks
[19:23] <mojtaba> Hi, I just run the command sudo apt-get update, but I recieved this error message. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653041/
[19:23] <AcidRain2012> ok it works
[19:24] <mojtaba> Could you please let me know what should I do?
[19:24] <AcidRain2012> now i want to delete all files with '* - *'
[19:24] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: yeah, i hear you. i don't know what think. just thought i'd make sure you'd tried that
[19:25] <Muharrem> EUZUBILLAHIMINEÞÞEYTANIRRACIM BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIM
[19:25] <Muharrem> ALLAHU EKBERRRRR!  LA ÝLAHE ÝLLALLAH MUHAMMEDEN RESULULLAH!?
[19:25] <TJ-> sam_: How do you reinstall Windows? Using the recovery/reinstaller ?
[19:25] <FloodBot1> Muharrem: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:25] <zetheroo> nautilus is very slow for me ... using Ubuntu 13.10 ...
[19:25] <zetheroo> why is it that nautilus has to rebuild thumbnails in a folder where I was just in ...
[19:25] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: maybe try pressing 'alt' while tomboy has the focus... dunno
[19:25] <sam_> there is a preload of windows installed internaly on my laptop. I don't use a compact disk
[19:26] <AcidRain2012> find /media/Server2/My_Documents/Music -name '* - *' | rm  ??
[19:26] <TJ-> sam_: That is what I meant, and explains everything. That reinstaller usually *wipes* out everything else and rewrites the entire disk
[19:26] <AcidRain2012> how can i simulate this without doing it first?
[19:26] <sam_> Beldar do you have any solution to that?
[19:26] <mojtaba> Hi, Does anybody know why do I get this error message? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653041/
[19:27] <Beldar> sam_, Is the preload manually reinstalled all it takes is a resize of that extended to break whats inside.
[19:27] <mojtaba> I can not run also chrom! (it is wired)
[19:27] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, not to start a 'unity war' but unity menus are a problem for me. For example, when I start vim, vim opens a window at the bottom right of the screen. To reach its menu, I must cursor all the way to the left corner. Do you know of a reason for the change?
[19:27] <AcidRain2012> find /media/Server2/My_Documents/Music -name '* - *' -exec rm -f?
[19:27] <sam_> I'm not following Beldar.
[19:28] <sam_> you mean I edit my preload of windows
[19:28] <mojtaba> mojtaba@mojtaba-Studio-1555:~$ [7930:7930:1228/142730:ERROR:process_singleton_linux.cc(900)] Failed to create socket directory.
[19:28] <mojtaba> [7930:7930:1228/142730:ERROR:chrome_browser_main.cc(1167)] Failed to create a ProcessSingleton for your profile directory. This means that running multiple instances would start multiple browser processes rather than opening a new window in the existing process. Aborting now to avoid profile corruption.
[19:28] <sam_> that seem very dangerous
[19:28] <TJ-> AcidRain2012: "find /media/Server2/My_Documents/Music -name '*-*' -print" and check the list of files is correct, then replace "-print" with "-delete"
[19:29] <sam_> TJ when you say it wipes whole disk you don't mean just windows partition right? you mean whole hard drive?
[19:29] <david38400> No help today anyone with DVD formats please?
[19:29] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, alt does not do it - it pops up a command window.
[19:29] <AcidRain2012> TJ-, fail. deleted whole drive
[19:29] <mojtaba> Does anybody know what should I do?
[19:29] <TJ-> AcidRain2012: huh?
[19:29] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: nope. i can't say i've used the ubuntu/unity desktop for a while. i'm running 'trusty/testing' and the ubuntu/unity desktop is unstable. so i've been using kde
[19:29] <ClientAlive> Anyone up for a challenge? I'm a bit dumb on file/folder sharing between two users (me and someone else on the same computer). I've looked up some information and gottan as far as I can but I'm stuck now. Info is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653064/  <-- Can someone please help?
[19:30] <AcidRain2012> jk. lol
[19:30] <AcidRain2012> ok. how do i empty a directory. i got error directory not empty
[19:30] <Beldar> sam_, I see that, there is no easy fix here , no magic command, any recovery is not guaranteed, maybe a reinstall, and starting a backup system might be best.
[19:30] <TJ-> AcidRain2012: "sudo rm -rf /sense/of/humour" :p
[19:30] <AcidRain2012> lol
[19:31] <sam_> :( that means I have to reistall ubuntu everytime I reinstall windows. that sucks
[19:31] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, sorry, I did no get your entire message and as there is no horizontal scroll in hexchat, I can't see the end of it
[19:31] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: nope. i can't say i've used the ubuntu/unity desktop for a while.
[19:32] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: i'm running 'trusty/testing' and the ubuntu/unity desktop is unstable.
[19:32] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: so i've been using kde
[19:32] <mojtaba> I just run sudo apt-get update. but I recieved this message. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653097/
[19:32] <mojtaba> Please help
[19:32] <Beldar> sam_, Not necessarily, something is going wrong, my guess is user error. having multiple partitions and reinstalling to them or reloading an image have to be done correctly.
[19:33] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, how do you like it?
[19:33] <daftykins> mojtaba: i don't think that's an error, it's just ignoring those PPAs
[19:33] <TJ-> ClientAlive: Can I suggest a slightly different way of doing it, one I use? I create the directory "/home/all/" under which I put directories containing documents and files to be shared amongst all users (e.g. "/home/all/Manuals/") with "sudo chown -R tj:users /home/all" and then "chmod -R g+w /home/all", and all users added to the "users" group. I can symlink from each home directory to that at will with "ln -s /home/all/ ~/all"
[19:34] <mojtaba> daftykins: It was ok before I restart my laptop
[19:34] <ki7rw> why does my screen occassionally darken and i can't do anything? happens on more than 1 PC - version 12.04
[19:34] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: i like it, kde 4.12.0 in trusty is very nice.
[19:34] <douglarret> jhutchins, how can I mount my osx (hfs or hfs+) partition in r/w mode from 13.10? Sorry my dad called me...
[19:34] <AcidRain2012> how to remove all empty directories?
[19:34] <mojtaba> daftykins: now I can not even run a browser! It gave me error or warning.
[19:34] <TJ-> AcidRain2012: "rmdir $DIRECTORY" for empty directories
[19:34] <sam_> I don't know Beldar but the preload on my computer doesn't give alot of options . I don't know how I can make an error in this
[19:35] <AcidRain2012> i dont think that will work...
[19:35] <daftykins> mojtaba: a browser playing up doesn't have anything to do with running an update 0o
[19:35] <TJ-> AcidRain2012: How about "find $START_DIR -type d -empty -delete" ?
[19:35] <sam_> Acer eRecovery manager has a certain path and doesn't allow me to pick partition. its very automatic
[19:35] <phillyj> can someone help me get this SATA optical drive working? Could it be conflicting with the IDE optical drives I got on it?
[19:35] <mojtaba> daftykins: I know, but I get both errors. May some file is locked up or something has happened.
[19:35] <TJ-> AcidRain2012: I recommend you "man find" first
[19:36] <ClientAlive> TJ-: Oh, am I supposed to be doing perms with user1:user2 rather than user:group?
[19:36] <daftykins> mojtaba: can you provide more info on the browser issue with an example in pictures or something?
[19:36] <glitsj16> intrader: you could try starting the apps you want to have old-skool menus in the app by prepending their start command with 'UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0'
[19:37] <TJ-> ClientAlive: No, $USER:$GROUP is correct. On my system I have the group "users" which I add each real user to
[19:37] <mojtaba> daftykins: I can initiate the browser from cmd and pastebin the warning here, if that works
[19:37] <TJ-> sam_: That recovery manager *usually* rewrites blindly assuming the disk has nothing valuable on it
[19:37] <ClientAlive> TJ-: Ok, I've named my group differently but I think I was shooting for what you said, no?
[19:38] <mojtaba> daftykins: I run chromium-browser, and received "[8085:8085:1228/143723:ERROR:process_singleton_linux.cc(900)] Failed to create socket directory.
[19:38] <mojtaba> [8085:8085:1228/143723:ERROR:chrome_browser_main.cc(1167)] Failed to create a ProcessSingleton for your profile directory. This means that running multiple instances would start multiple browser processes rather than opening a new window in the existing process. Aborting now to avoid profile corruption.
[19:38] <mojtaba> "
[19:38] <TJ-> ClientAlive: I think so... it makes sense to put the shared directory outside of any user's home directory because otherwise you'll have to deal with directory-traversal permissions
[19:39] <sam_> so is there any solution to that TJ? can I change my erecovery manager?? I'm tired of loosing all my data everytime I install windows . it also deletes my ubuntu partition
[19:39] <TJ-> ClientAlive: By default, other users cannot traverse your home directory or its sub-directories
[19:39] <mojtaba> daftykins: I just checked my home directory and the permission for my account are: drwx------. is this ok?
[19:39] <intrader> glitsj16, I don't know how to prepend something to a command of an application installed by ubuntu
[19:39] <TJ-> sam_: No, there isn't... Stop re-installing Windows!
[19:40] <daftykins> mojtaba: would you have done anything to change them? try renaming your chrome config folder to see if a fresh one works
[19:40] <TJ-> sam_: Take care of Windows... treat it like the invalid it is, like a 112 year old granny
[19:40] <Beldar> sam_, Some have a manual install option, I would look closer.
[19:40] <Sarah1> hi
[19:40] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, how do I try it?
[19:40] <mojtaba> daftykins: I did not do anything. I just run this command before: touch /forcefsck
[19:40] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: very carefully ;-)
[19:40] <sam_> you mean from Disk?
[19:40] <TJ-> sam_: Always keep your important data backed up on an external device of some type
[19:40] <glitsj16> intrader: you can just try from a terminal first if it gives you what you want, ie UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0 tomboy .. if tomboy is the command, we can deal with changing things generally later on if it works
[19:41] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: you'd have to download the installer
[19:41] <ClientAlive> TJ-: Ahh! So, for a dir at /home/me/dirtoshare I would have to chown -R me:groupname /home/shine (or even * /home)? <-- which would not be good if that's the case.
[19:41] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: how long have you been using gnu/linux?
[19:41] <mojtaba> and when I restarted the laptop, it checked file system and said there is some error, press f to force for fix.
[19:41] <TJ-> ClientAlive: You've got it :)
[19:41] <mojtaba> I did it, and now I have these problems
[19:41] <ClientAlive> wow
[19:41] <ClientAlive> thx man
[19:42] <mojtaba> daftykins: and when I restarted the laptop, it checked file system and said there is some error, press f to force for fix. I did it, and now I have these problems
[19:42] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: running 'testing' might not be for someone who wants stability and the fewest amount of issues
[19:42] <sam_> ok Thanks Beldar and Tj. :)
[19:42] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, a long time, but I guess I am not one to pay attention to closely
[19:42] <Kihokki> Hi! What catalyst version fglrx-installer-experimental has? Is it 13.9?
[19:42] <TJ-> ClientAlive: The actual case would be you'd have to do "chown $USER:group /home/$USER && chmod g+x /home/$USER" to allow the user's group access
[19:43] <bekks> Kihokki: apt-cache policy fglrx-installer-experimental
[19:43] <daftykins> mojtaba: hrmm, i'm not sure if there's really an issue on the update front but you can try the chrome clean profile test i mentioned to see if it'll fix that one
[19:43] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, earlier versions (8.04) allowed me to start kde
[19:43] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: if you're wanting it to try it you'd go here...
[19:43] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/
[19:44] <ClientAlive> TJ-: Think I did those things. Can I pm you some confidential?
[19:44] <Kihokki> bekks: Sorry I don't have any Ubuntu around me because had a GPU+HDD failure
[19:44] <mojtaba> daftykins: Do you know what does it mean: "W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock "
[19:45] <sam_> Beladas you said there isn't any easy solution . if you know any website anything I can google for any kind of solution please tell me
[19:45] <mojtaba> daftykins: and this one: "E: Couldn't create temporary file to work with /var/lib/apt/lists/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_saucy_Release - mkstemp (30: Read-only file system)
[19:45] <mojtaba> "
[19:45] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, I 'll save that for reference - thanks
[19:45] <TJ-> ClientAlive: I have to go make dinner here now, sorry, but if you have allowed that kind of access to your home directory I'd recommend reversing it and using a location outside outside anyone's home dir, as I outlined
[19:45] <Kihokki> bekks: can you give me the output?
[19:45] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: np, yw
[19:45] <Kihokki> I'm using my phone now to irc
[19:45] <hitsujiTMO> mojtaba: has your root filesystem been mounted as read only?
[19:45] <sam_> I'm sure I can learn it from forums and websites if I know what to look for
[19:46] <ClientAlive> I think I'll make another logical vol for this. Thanks man. Enjoy your dinner.
[19:46] <daftykins> mojtaba: it almost sounds like your disk is read only, can you pastebin the output of "mount" ?
[19:46] <Guest98811> Hey how's it going everyone? I am using a Dell N4010 with Ubuntu 13.10 installed. Everything works great but the keyboard keys that adjust the screen brightness. (it isn't the computer because it works on Windows) I am able to adjust the brightness with the terminal but I really don't want to have to do that everytime i have to change my brightness. Is there a way someone can help me
[19:46] <mojtaba> hitsujiTMO: I do not know, how can I check that.
[19:46] <mojtaba> daftykins: what is the full command for mount?
[19:47] <hitsujiTMO> mojtaba: as daftykins pastebin the output of : mount
[19:47] <daftykins> mojtaba: just type it on its' own
[19:47] <hitsujiTMO> mojtaba: as daftykins said* pastebin the output of : mount
[19:47] <mojtaba> hitsujiTMO: daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653177/
[19:48] <sam_> Beladas you said there isn't any easy solution . if you know any website anything I can google for any kind of solution please tell me
[19:48] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: you should ask about your tomboy problem again.
[19:48] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: someone else might know what's up
[19:49] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: same with your vim question
[19:49] <daftykins> hitsujiTMO: hrmm i don't have enough experience for mojtaba's query, there's evidence there as if the FS is read only but it looks like none are mounted 'ro' there
[19:50] <mojtaba> daftykins: hitsujiTMO: Do you know what should I do? :(
[19:50] <hitsujiTMO> daftykins: yeah, i see the same
[19:50] <intrader> glitsj16, thanks, I don't know whether it works; as I said above, when I restart tomboy it has the menu. It disappears when I close the main subwindow of tomboy
[19:50] <hitsujiTMO> mojtaba: can you pastebin the output of: dmesg
[19:51] <daftykins> perhaps the disk check with the encrypted home caused complications?
[19:51] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, thanks for help. I will
[19:51] <daftykins> certainly sounds like it fried your chrome profile
[19:51] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: okay, cool :)
[19:51] <mojtaba> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653196/
[19:51] <cli3nt> hi
[19:51] <Beldar> sam_, At this point your relying on a recovery partition on the HD for windows, with no backups right?
[19:51] <glitsj16> intrader: np, did you try starting tomboy from a terminal with 'UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0 tomboy' yet to see if that changes anything?
[19:52] <sam_> no backups
[19:52] <glitsj16> intrader: that command should disable the global menu for all tomboy windows
[19:52] <sam_> and I'm asking for recovery of my ubuntu not solution for erecovery manager
[19:53] <daftykins> hitsujiTMO: ah-ha good call, looks like the drive is nerf'd
[19:53] <daftykins> mojtaba: your disk looks to be faulty
[19:53] <intrader> glitsj16, no change
[19:53] <daftykins> mojtaba: can you run disk utility and screenshot your SMART status?
[19:53] <Beldar> sam_, If that windows license is important to you I would get all of it backed up, before doing any recovery attempts.
[19:54] <sam_> ok my activation key is writen on back of my laptop
[19:55] <Beldar> sam_, I having to repeat myself here, and this is really user awareness stuff, any HD can fail at any time alone.
[19:55] <sam_> product key I mean: that should work I think
[19:55] <glitsj16> intrader: that's probably another problem then with tomboy, can you try the same command, but now with vim, just to see if you can disable the global menu in general?
[19:55] <sam_> its ok tell me
[19:56] <Beldar> I have twice get backed up
[19:56] <Beldar> sam_, I would ask in ##windows on imaging/cloning the windows partitions
[19:59] <sam_> I should change my chanel to windows you mean?? unlikely that they help because right now I can't login windows. grub won't load so I can't continue to windows. and if I recover MBR there will be no hope to recover ubuntu grub
[19:59] <intrader> glitsj16, oops, by vim disappeared on account of my executing `sudo apt-get remove python` - disastrous - I have reinstalled the desktop, but a lot was deleted.
[20:00] <sabahang> Hi I provided a wrong email address to NickServ for registration, any idea how to change it?/reregister using the same username?
[20:00] <cheesecakes> sabahang: try #freenode
[20:00] <xangua> sabahang: /join #freenode
[20:00] <intrader> glitsj16, I did not know that ubuntu runs on python
[20:00] <glitsj16> intrader: hmm, removing python can get you in serious trouble indeed ..
[20:00] <bonsu> when you make a new user account must i also create the user folder?
[20:01] <sabahang> thanks, I'll ask there
[20:01] <cheesecakes> bonsu: not necessary but if the new user needs login access, you need a home dir
[20:01] <hitsujiTMO> bonsu: not if you use adduser.  useradd only creates account tryies.
[20:01] <hitsujiTMO> entries*
[20:02] <glitsj16> intrader: have you reinstalled python yet?
[20:02] <cheesecakes> hmm my arch doesn't have adduser
[20:02] <cheesecakes> ok
[20:02] <Cajunfiend> i dont understand why ubuntu updater cant connect to ppa
[20:03] <intrader> glitsj16, during the process of reloading desktop, it installed python2.7.3 - I wanted 4.0
[20:03] <Guest98811> Anyone have any idea?
[20:03] <nikcsareb> Hi where should I report for unsupported hardware?
[20:03] <OerHeks> Cajunfiend, what ubuntu version and what ppa?
[20:03] <bonsu> i used useradd but without the option "-d" and now i cant login it bounce me back to the login menu
[20:03] <Cajunfiend> 13.10
[20:03] <cheesecakes> Guest98811: does anyone have any idea about what?
[20:03] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: you wanted python4.0?
[20:03] <Cajunfiend> wont connect to the ppa.launchpad.net
[20:04] <Cajunfiend> says there's somethign wrong with my connection but obviously not since im here
[20:04] <cheesecakes> bonsu: you can login as another user with root privs
[20:04] <intrader> glitsj16, yes - to try some of the new stuff
[20:04] <cheesecakes> and then : mkdir /home/newuser
[20:04] <OerHeks> Cajunfiend, connects fine here
[20:05] <glitsj16> intrader: just for reference on the global menu issue, look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/10481/how-do-i-disable-the-global-application-menu later, i'd suggest testing your regular apps and the ubuntu in general to see if python is okay first
[20:05] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: ubuntu-minimal requires 3.3. once you go beyond ubuntu-standard, most scripts requires 2.7
[20:05] <bonsu> that's the only account i have
[20:05] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: i don't think there is python4.0. even in trusty/testing python3.4 just got released
[20:05] <Cajunfiend> im trying to get rid of the ! in my taskbar it says theres a problem updating
[20:05] <cheesecakes> bonsu: with what account did you create that user?
[20:05] <bonsu> root
[20:06] <cheesecakes> ok so login with root
[20:06] <TJ-> bonsu: Use "usermod -d ..." to set the correct home directory
[20:06] <nikcsareb> Hi my laptop has two batteries and it shut down when one of them is on 3%
[20:06] <geirha> bonsu: And in the future, use adduser rather than useradd
[20:06] <Guest98811> cheesecakes,  hey how's it going? I am using a Dell N4010 with Ubuntu 13.10 installed. Everything works great but the keyboard keys that adjust the screen brightness. (it isn't the computer because it works on Windows) I am able to adjust the brightness with the terminal but I really don't want to have to do that everytime i have to change my brightness. Is there a way someone can help me
[20:06] <intrader> glitsj16, so I realize that I am limping along - it is 3.0.4
[20:07] <intrader> glitsj16, hitsujiTMO so I realize that I am limping along - it is 3.0.4
[20:07] <demophobia> Does ubuntu have a "zoom" feature like Mac OS X where I can zoom in and magnify a portion of the screen?
[20:07] <phillyj> con someone help me figure out why only one of my 3 ODDs can read a CD, even though all 3 show up in BIOS?
[20:08] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: for what exactly do you need a specific version of python for? 99% OF 3.0 scripts will rin on 3.3
[20:08] <bonsu> ok ty
[20:08] <WhatIsTheMatrix> !info xzoom | demophobia
[20:08] <intrader> glitsj16, hitsujiTMO brings to mind that I probably should reinstall without wiping /home
[20:08] <glitsj16> intrader: better follow hitsujiTMO on the python issue, i messed that up once before too and had to reinstall
[20:09] <Beldar> sam_, as of now you have no ubuntu, grub is dead without it's install or recovery, any recovery attempt should be made if you secure windows, if it's important to you.
[20:09] <xangua> demophobia: if you are using unity, just install compiz settings manager in software center and you can enable and edit the 'Magnifier' plugin
[20:09] <demophobia> Thank you!
[20:09] <WhatIsTheMatrix> glitsj16: python installations are pretty tricky eh?
[20:09] <intrader> glitsj16, hitsujiTMO: how to reinstall without messing up /home
[20:09] <WhatIsTheMatrix> demophobia: sure, yw
[20:09] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: you can install as many versions of python as you want. just symlink them seperately in /usr/bin
[20:09] <cheesecakes> Guest98811: try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2145241&p=12648279#post12648279
[20:10] <glitsj16> WhatIsTheMatrix: very much so indeed, got stung and even now i don't have a grip on it
[20:10] <demophobia> compiz settings manager magnifier plugin > xzoom?
[20:10] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: is /home a seperate partition?
[20:10] <WhatIsTheMatrix> glitsj16: rgr that. i've run into some pretty tricky installations before. been there
[20:10] <intrader> glitsj16, hitsujiTMO, WhatIsTheMatrix : It needs a better dependency manager to prevent this disaster
[20:10] <nikcsareb> i can boot it
[20:10] <TJ-> intrader: Each version of python has its own executable named "/usr/bin/pythonX.Y" and "/usr/bin/python" is sym-linked to the system-preferred version used by system scripts.
[20:11] <glitsj16> intrader: that or less fiddling :p
[20:11] <nikcsareb> but it hibernates because one of the batteries is at 3%
[20:11] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: it warns you quite clearly that its about to uninstall the system
[20:11] <TJ-> intrader: You can run whichever version of the python interpreter you wish using e.g. "python3" or "python3.3" if the packages for those are installed
[20:12] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, I did not see the warming. but then... wow I was aghast!
[20:12] <nikcsareb> hibernate looo
[20:12] <nikcsareb> loop
[20:12] <TJ-> intrader: If you have python scripts that absolutely require a particular version, then add a shebang line - the first line of the script would be e.g.  "#/usr/bin/python3.3"
[20:12] <nikcsareb> it is plugged to AC
[20:13] <intrader> TJ-, I realize that now
[20:13] <jj1234> what's the best way to create a network 'chroot' type environment short of going full OS virtualization with say qemu?
[20:13] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: if your /home is not on a separate partition. i'd boot a live cd and nuke everything other that /home ... then install to the same partition without formatting
[20:13] <nolrai_26> So I added a .pam_environment to add a path to my $PATH and now when ever I try to log in it boots me back out to the log in screen. Anyway I can get rid of that file with out logging in?
[20:13] <nolrai_26> (or log in)
[20:13] <Guest98811> cheesecakes, brb got to restart for the change
[20:14] <hitsujiTMO> jj1234: debootstrap is prob what you're looking for
[20:14] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, /home is not in a separate partition
[20:14] <jj1234> can I setup network interfaces as well?
[20:14] <jj1234> my big picture goal is to create a network of several hosts and test software with traffic shaping 'tc'
[20:15] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: then boot a live cd. nuke everything other than /home and reinstall to the same partition but choose not to format
[20:15] <WhatIsTheMatrix> nolrai_26: you could boot up to live/rescue cd/usb and mount/access the hard drive from that
[20:15] <jj1234> but I'd like to keep my resource utilization as low as possible...i.e. avoid VMs if I can
[20:15] <geirha> nolrai_26: reboot, hold down shift, select the recovery line from the menu that appears, choose root-shell, then fix it from there
[20:15] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, I have /home saved by the backup application
[20:15] <nolrai_26> Thanks!
[20:15] <TJ-> jj1234: You need to use Linux cgroups, aka containers aka LXC
[20:16] <WhatIsTheMatrix> nolrai_26: perhaps what geirha said will work
[20:16] <geirha> nolrai_26: *hold down shift during the early boot sequnce, until a menu appears
[20:17] <hitsujiTMO> jj1234: virtualisation overhead is usually pretty minimal, but if you want to avoid the vms then LXC would be the best option as TJ- said
[20:17] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, rmdir each directory?
[20:17] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: rm -r
[20:18] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, rm -r thanks
[20:18] <jj1234> ok, I'll check it out...thanks
[20:18] <jj1234> i suppose I can give them multiple network interfaces and do fancy routing between them?
[20:19] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, by the way, does it really warn me that removing python is such a bad thing?
[20:19] <TJ-> jj1234: See e.g.  http://www.nsnam.org/wiki/HOWTO_Use_Linux_Containers_to_set_up_virtual_networks
[20:21] <irvingd_> WhatIsTheMatrix, sudo apt-get remove oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms - problem solved :)
[20:21] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: it lists the packages that will also be removed. So you should see a wall of text with 99% of the packages installed on your system
[20:21] <TJ-> jj1234: This might get you jump-started: http://containerops.org/2013/11/19/lxc-networking/
[20:22] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, why not use C++ or C instead of python?
[20:23] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, perhaps that is the reason ubuntu is slow vs. suse
[20:23] <omega14> I need the default apache2.config file
[20:24] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: because these are simple, user editable scripts that gain minimal speed when switching to c.
[20:24] <vik> should i reinstall all software after upgrading to new ubuntu
[20:25] <TJ-> omega14: Depending on version, you should find it at "/usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/examples/apache2/" or very similar
[20:25] <phillyj> vik: why?
[20:25] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, make sense - it is an easier language to learn and use.
[20:25] <phillyj> vik: isn't it a fresh install?
[20:26] <vik> i am going to upgrade to 13.10 . should i install apps like chrome and others after upgrade
[20:26] <vik> i am using 13.04 now
[20:26] <intrader> vik, careful, I tried 13.10 with disastrous consequences - very unstable
[20:27] <phillyj> vik: if it's not part of the distro, then you will have to install it
[20:27] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: and ubuntu is certainly not slow in comparison to suse. the slowness you're prob talking about is just the unity DE. Switching to a DE thot doesn't use soo many resources like whats used in suse would show a huge difference in speed
[20:27] <vik> then is it good to be with 13.04
[20:27] <hitsujiTMO> vik: 13.04 is EOL next month
[20:28] <vik> what does EOL means ?
[20:28] <vik> i am new to ubuntu
[20:28] <hitsujiTMO> !eol > vik
[20:28] <phillyj> vik, end of life
[20:28] <Bashing-om>  vik; Are you contemplating a clean install from liveMedium, or on-line upgrade to 13.10 ?
[20:28] <vik> online upgrading
[20:29] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, that makes sense - I did not like the change to unity - too many slow downs and laptop overheating problems
[20:29] <phillyj> my ssh connectivity is sporadic and right now, my characters don't show up on the ssh login terminal screen
[20:29] <phillyj> any ideas?
[20:30] <vik> k can any one tell should i upgrade to 13.10
[20:30] <Bashing-om>  vik: I have done 2 on-line upgrades to 13.10, no problem ! .. 13.10 is faster than 13.04.
[20:31] <vik> would i keep my apps ?
[20:31] <vik> would it keep my apps ?
[20:31] <WhatIsTheMatrix> vik: i don't see why not. you'll find out though
[20:31] <hitsujiTMO> vik: you'll need to reinstall non repo apps most likely
[20:31] <WhatIsTheMatrix> vik: what hitsujiTMO said
[20:32] <Bashing-om>  vik: here's the deal, diable your 3rd pary PPAs, and any screensaver, do the upgrade and then re-enable the PPAs, and again update the system.
[20:32] <WhatIsTheMatrix> vik: otherwise, what you'll get is newer versions of your apps, unless as hitsujiTMO said, they are non-repo apps
[20:32] <vik> i am a mozilla developer . i had setup mozilla build . should i build again
[20:32] <Calinou> third party repos are automatically disabled before an upgrade, normally
[20:33] <WhatIsTheMatrix> vik: yes, after upgrading i would think... in order to link it to the newer libc6 and other libs
[20:34] <vik> is there any solution
[20:34] <Bashing-om>  vik: There is always the rsik of something going wrone, In all my on-line upgrades, all my files and configs have been kept - no problem, just disable the 3rd party PPAs prior to upgrading.
[20:34] <intrader> All: most interesting conversation. It applies to my problem.
[20:35] <hitsujiTMO> vik: if you are using the system for dev you should stick to the LTS versions, unless you absolutely need a feature in a non-lts version
[20:36] <ceed^> Hi, how can I enable to grub menu when I boot so I can choose which kernel to boot? Now it just boots the newest kernel, but I want to be able to choose. I'm running 13.10 x64
[20:36] <hitsujiTMO> ceed^: there should be a list of available kernels in advanced menu
[20:37] <Bashing-om> ceed: from a cold boot, as soon as the bios screen clears, depress and hold the shift key -> grub boot menu (non UEFI !).
[20:37] <vik> k how to disable PPA
[20:37] <ceed^> hitsujiTMO, but I am not getting a menu at all, it just boots directly using the newest kernel.
[20:38] <phillyj> you got to be kidding me, ssh won't work if a vga cable is plugged into the port??
[20:38] <vik> Bashing-om : so ur telling me to use 12.04
[20:38] <phillyj> i hate linux sometimes
[20:38] <hitsujiTMO> ceed^: as Bashing-om you need to hit either left-shift - right-shift or esc immediately after bios screen
[20:38] <Calinou> phillyj, you shouldn't
[20:39] <Bashing-om>  vik: Easiest way to disable is from the U Software Center -> Other Software, uncheck the boxes.
[20:39] <Calinou> why wouldn't ssh not work because of that?
[20:39] <hitsujiTMO> phillyj: thats most definately not the case
[20:39] <ceed^> hitsujiTMO, I will try that, but I would prefer to have it so that I get the menu every time. I know there's a setting in grub's config for that but I can't remember what it is.
[20:39] <phillyj> Calinou: i have no idea, some kind of input redirect i think
[20:39] <Cdunn700> hello can anyone help me please?
[20:39] <Calinou> you're probably doing something wrong
[20:39] <Calinou> I can ssh to a machine using VGA or DVI screen just fine
[20:39] <WhatIsTheMatrix> !ask | Cdunn700
[20:40] <phillyj> Calinou: it was just the cable, not connected to the monitor
[20:40] <Cdunn700> oh ok im just wondering i have built a new computer and i have a gtx 760 graphics card will i have issues with it in ubuntu
[20:40] <Cdunn700> ?
[20:40] <Cdunn700> or isit easy to get properietry drivers for it
[20:40] <Cdunn700> thanks
[20:40] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, from live CD, where do I see the directories?
[20:40] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, I connected the network cable and this window is not updating
[20:40] <hitsujiTMO> ceed^: you need to change the relevant option in /etc/default/grub and run update-grub
[20:40] <phillyj> Cdunn700: i think you're supposed to use the nvidia drivers for best results
[20:41] <ceed^> hitsujiTMO, thanks, I will try that.
[20:41] <Cdunn700> how would i install them on ubuntu gnome
[20:41] <Cdunn700> just download the linux driver from the website
[20:41] <Bashing-om>  vik: Well if it is a development enterprise, I would highly value stability and Long Term Support, currently that is 12.04 // Next LTS is 14.04 due out next April !
[20:41] <Cdunn700> because last time i had a amd and had to do legacy drivers and it was a nightmare
[20:41] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, I will be reinstalling as described.
[20:42] <hitsujiTMO> Cdunn700: copy it to ~/.themes
[20:42] <Cdunn700> ?
[20:42] <WhatIsTheMatrix> lol
[20:42] <sam_> ok I used testdisk software now I have all my ubuntu driver shown in home folder from live usb. however I still cannot login my ubuntu. and my gparted looks ugly (http://i.imgur.com/t1Qeea7.png) what have I done???!!
[20:43] <vik> Bashing-om : April 2014 ?
[20:43] <phillyj> Cdunn700: go to settings > additional drivers
[20:43] <hitsujiTMO> Cdunn700: sorry. "how would i install them on ubuntu gnome" was thinking you meant themes for a sec. you should install nvidia-319
[20:43] <Cdunn700> ok well i havnt installed it yet
[20:44] <Cdunn700> the ubuntu as i was seeing
[20:44] <Cdunn700> if it had alot of issues
[20:44] <Cdunn700> as i like gaming
[20:44] <phillyj> check it out to see if its there, Cdunn700
[20:44] <Cdunn700> and linux will have more games ported in the new year
[20:44] <Cdunn700> can i check it out using the live cd demo
[20:45] <Cdunn700> or from installing it?
[20:45] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Cdunn700: i don't think you can check out the nvidia-319 driver when running  a live install cd/usb
[20:45] <hitsujiTMO> Cdunn700: for proprietary drivers its best to install
[20:45] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, with the python removal I also lost vimeo capability
[20:45] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Cdunn700: i think you'll need to actually install gnu/linux
[20:45] <Cdunn700> ah okay
[20:46] <Cdunn700> ill have to try it this weekend
[20:46] <Cdunn700> cheers guys
[20:46] <Cdunn700> see ya
[20:46] <hitsujiTMO> WhatIsTheMatrix: you can, but theres quite a bit of effort to get it up without having to reboot
[20:46] <phillyj> Cdunn700: go to your synaptic manager and install nvidia-current
[20:46] <Bashing-om> ceed^; Yes indeed for the grub edits: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 .
[20:46] <sam_> I think I'm one big step closer to recovering my ubuntu just need a bit of help
[20:48] <dougl> why can't I mount my hfsplus partition in read write mode in 13.10 according to a multitude of google results on the subject say the same thing I am doing but still cannot write to my OSX partition.
[20:48] <WhatIsTheMatrix> hitsujiTMO: ohh, roger. it can be done, but quite a hassle then, i take it
[20:48] <sam_> Beladas you still there?
[20:48] <phillyj> can someone help me get a cd drive working? only one of the 2 IDE drives works even though they both show in bios
[20:48] <dougl> it gives me an error saying is mounted in read only mode
[20:50] <sam_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653468/
[20:50] <hitsujiTMO> dougl: you need to disable the journal in osx afaik which is not recommended
[20:50] <Bashing-om> sam_; State your problem.
[20:50] <sam_> just check one little step is left
[20:50] <atari> hi
[20:50] <dougl> hitsujiTMO, good to know = thank you :)
[20:50] <WhatIsTheMatrix> hello
[20:51] <atari> does anyone feel like doing a oocalc test for me?
[20:51] <sam_> Bashing -om I had windows 7 and ubuntu 13.10 on different partitions. had to reinstall my windows. the erecovery process erased my ubuntu partition.
[20:52] <sam_> I used testdisk software to recover that partition
[20:52] <dougl> hitsujiTMO, do you know how to mount ext3 partition in osx?
[20:52] <hadifarn_> how can I see user's last login? is there a command for that?
[20:52] <sam_> now I think somone with better knowledge can help me recover my grub and ubuntu
[20:52] <sam_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653468/
[20:52] <dougl> I googled that with fruitless results too
[20:52] <hitsujiTMO> dougl: i dont i'm afraid. not an osx user.
[20:53] <dougl> hitsujiTMO, thanks
[20:53] <dougl> :)
[20:53] <WhatIsTheMatrix> hadifarn_: looks like 'lastlog'
[20:53] <hitsujiTMO> dougl: last time i used osx + linux i used exfat as an intermediate filesystem
[20:53] <Bashing-om> sam_; Let's work with tools I am familiar with, give me a pasty of terninal code: -> sudo fdisk -lu <- Too see the partitions.
[20:53] <WhatIsTheMatrix> hadifarn_: i got them from -->  apropos user | grep login
[20:54] <WhatIsTheMatrix> hadifarn_: i got that* from -->  apropos user | grep login
[20:54] <hadifarn_> thanks WhatIsTheMatrix
[20:54] <WhatIsTheMatrix> hadifarn_: sure, yw
[20:55] <hadifarn_> dougl: you need to work on your googling skills. use OSX Fuse. there must be a plugin for ext3
[20:55] <sam_> to Bashing -om         http://pastebin.com/77g7Lk1b
[20:58] <Bashing-om> sam_: good news; your partition is still there "/dev/sda5       694587392  1226446847   265929728   83  Linux". No can boot is the problem ?
[20:58] <sam_> yes I still can't boot into ubuntu
[20:59] <sam_> I see grub rescue page when I reboot my pc
[20:59] <phunyguy> which package, when removed, gets rid of the "available/away/offline/etc" list in the envelope?  I want to keep the apps there, but get rid of the availability entries
[20:59] <hitsujiTMO> sam_: erm... if thats mbr partition then thats an invalid partition table
[20:59] <hitsujiTMO> sam_: is this a pc or mac?
[21:00] <sam_> what do you mean hitsujiTmo? its pc
[21:00] <nikcsareb> hi Where can i report hardware issues ? (touchpad)
[21:00] <hitsujiTMO> sam_: you have 6 primary partition... mbr only supports 4
[21:00] <sam_> I can see my files from ubuntu system they are not gone but I cannot login ubuntu because I don't have grub
[21:01] <Bashing-om> sam_: sorry, We are looking at Windows as dynamically partitioned, out of my shere of knowledge "HPFS/NTFS/exFAT", hang loose see if those who know about HPFS can help .
[21:02] <sam_> ok hitsujiTMo see this screenshot please     http://i.imgur.com/t1Qeea7.png
[21:02] <sam_> I can see the partition in home folder from live usb but the gparted shows no partition. is that what you mean with this?
[21:03] <jhutchins> !fixgrub
[21:04] <sam_> ok I think boot repair will fix this problem now
[21:04] <trism> phunyguy: it's not a package, there is an entry in the apps .desktop file that enables it
[21:05] <trism> phunyguy: X-MessagingMenu-UsesChatSection=true
[21:05] <phunyguy> thanks
[21:05] <phunyguy> trism: which .desktop file?
[21:05] <trism> phunyguy: which app?
[21:06] <phunyguy> trism: I think you are getting what I want backwards
[21:06] <phunyguy> I want the apps to be there, but not the available/away/etc stuff
[21:06] <trism> phunyguy: it is enabled on a per app basis, for instance I grabbed that line from pidgin's
[21:07] <phunyguy> I do not have that in my pidgin.desktop
[21:07] <phunyguy> (12.04, Xubuntu)
[21:08] <phunyguy> ahh wait
[21:08] <phunyguy> missed it
[21:08] <Bashing-om> sam_: Exercise care ! .. Best I am aware of Windows' dynamic partitioning, Ubuntu does not deal with it (proprietary to Windows), a real challenge and a hassle to change back to GPT of msdos partitioning !
[21:08] <phunyguy> wait, nope, wrong thing.
[21:08] <phunyguy> yeah I don't have it.
[21:08] <trism> phunyguy: well it's new in quantal, so on 12.04 it is different
[21:09] <bonsu> how to use adduser and useradd '
[21:09] <phunyguy> trism: ok.  and this enables.disables the availability portions of the menu?
[21:09] <phunyguy> because this still doesn't make any sense to me
[21:09] <sam_> I see . ok bootrepair is done I'm restarting to see the result. will be back
[21:09] <trism> phunyguy: in 12.10+, not in 12.04
[21:10] <phunyguy> the reason I ask, is because I have an icon theme that I really like, and that is the ONLY thing that doesn't work.  ;)
[21:10] <phunyguy> and I remember previos versions of xubuntu not having that part of the menu.  Just the apps listed.
[21:11] <trism> phunyguy: there may have been a separate package in the 12.04- version but I don't really remember
[21:12] <chocapic> Hey, do you know a package on which I could use skype?
[21:13] <Jazayri> Want to capture traffics from the computer of my brother ! Wireshark ?
[21:13] <EMKO|2> i updated to 13.04 and on boot i get kernel panic-not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on  unknown block(0,0) any way to fix this?
[21:14] <geirha> bonsu: sudo adduser newusername
[21:14] <TJ-> Jazayri: Depends upon the network topology, generally, with switches, you'd need to capture at the switch/router, you can't do it from another PC (unless both are using 802.11b/g/a)
[21:14] <bonsu> ok but i have to create a home folder how ?
[21:15] <bonsu> adduser -d /home/newusername but it says " adduser  not found "
[21:15] <Rory> bonsu: if you use the "adduser" command, the home directory will automatically be created
[21:16] <sam_> ok my ubuntu is back now. however its abit different now I can see my windows recovery partition. and there are two windows 7 loader on grub page
[21:16] <Rory> bonsu: sudo adduser fred
[21:16] <hitsujiTMO> bonsu: whats the output of: cat /etc/issue
[21:16] <bonsu> im using root now
[21:16] <Jazayri> TJ-: we are using wireless card ! Two TP links wireless card
[21:17] <geirha> bonsu: adduser creates homedir and such by default; it's a wrapper around the more primitive useradd command
[21:17] <demon^eye> just want to know ... does Mint share same update server with ubuntu?
[21:17] <hitsujiTMO> EMKO: sounds like your in some sort of shared vps environment. you should look up your hosting providers info for any particulars thats needed during an upgrade
[21:17] <Rory> demon^eye: Yes and no; it uses the base Ubuntu repositories but has a separate repository as well.
[21:17] <Rory> !mint | demon^eye
[21:18] <hitsujiTMO> demon^eye: no 2 completely different distros
[21:18] <geirha> bonsu: so just  ''adduser newusername''  no options or anything.
[21:18] <TJ-> Jazayri: See http://sandilands.info/sgordon/capturing-wireless-lan-with-ubuntu-tcpdump-kismet
[21:18] <EMKO> hitsujiTMO: its my htpc it has also another OS and that one works
[21:18] <bonsu> it doesn't work  adduser comand not found
[21:18] <demon^eye> ok , i am using Ubuntu
[21:18] <demon^eye> just want to know how thing works
[21:18] <WhatIsTheMatrix> bonsu: what happens if you do? --> sudo apt-get install adduser
[21:18] <hitsujiTMO> EMKO: are you using virtulisation?
[21:19] <EMKO> no
[21:19] <EMKO> i just choose in grub what os i want to use
[21:19] <Jazayri> TJ-: Thank you
[21:19] <EMKO> just after update ubuntu doesnt want to work
[21:19] <hitsujiTMO> emko to what extent were you using VFS then?
[21:20] <demon^eye> so what i understand if update available to ubunto , its doesnt mean it will be available for mint or Zorin , even they are based on them ? am i correct?
[21:20] <bonsu> ok ok the package of adduser wasn't install
[21:20] <WhatIsTheMatrix> bonsu: okay
[21:20] <EMKO> i dont even know what that is so probably none
[21:20] <Rory> demon^eye: Honestly I don't think you'll get a proper answer here, you're better off asking in the mint/zorin/etc support channels
[21:20] <bonsu> ty guys
[21:21] <WhatIsTheMatrix> yw
[21:21] <OerHeks> demon^eye, how would we know?
[21:21] <demon^eye> Rory,  : well i just want to know technically side of it ...
[21:21] <hitsujiTMO> demon^eye: you'd have to ask that in the mint forums. we know nothing of mint here
[21:22] <demon^eye> hitsujiTMO,  : me to LOL
[21:22] <TJ-> EMKO: Can you get into the GRUB boot men by holding down the shift key as the PC starts, and then selecting an older kernel version from the "Advanced..." menu?
[21:22] <EMKO> yes
[21:22] <TJ-> EMKO: Do all older kernels result in the same failure?
[21:22] <EMKO> that works but its a small window and no UI just the desktop image
[21:22] <TJ-> EMKO: OK... well that is progress, it gives you a way in to fix up the failed grub configuration
[21:23] <TJ-> EMKO: I recommend you do that and select an older kernel version *and* its Recovery option which will take you to a single-user root session
[21:23] <hitsujiTMO> EMKO: can you pastebin the contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg and the output of: sudo fdisk -l
[21:23] <TJ-> EMKO: A comon cause is having a separate /boot/ partition and it running out of space
[21:25] <TJ-> EMKO: If you can get to a root shell, use "df" to see how much space is used on /boot/ ... if indeed there is a separate partition for /boot/
[21:25] <EMKO> ok i will try get the pastebin and check the space on boot
[21:25] <EMKO> i think there is i just cant remeber i did this long time ago
[21:26] <TJ-> EMKO: I know the feeling :)
[21:27] <chocapic> Do you know any package that could allow me to talk to people who are on skype?
[21:27] <EMKO> if i boot into my other OS openelec and ssh into it can i find out about all this ?  so i can do it from here
[21:27] <TJ-> EMKO: Yes... you'd need to discover which partition is the /boot/ partition though, and mount it manually
[21:28] <OerHeks> chocapic, there is a native linux skype client, in the partner repo or use the installer from their site, it will add their sources
[21:29] <chocapic> Okay, thanks, but what's the partner repo?
[21:31] <OerHeks> chocapic, you can enable it in softwarecenter > edit > sources
[21:31] <chocapic> OerHeks, and what's it for?
[21:31] <OerHeks> !partner
[21:32] <chocapic> Okay, thanks
[21:32] <OerHeks> skype is not free to distibute
[21:33] <chocapic> Ow, okay
[21:36] <kervan_> Hello, Is dist upgrade from version 10 to 13 safe and possible?
[21:36] <Seveas> there's no such thing as 'version 10' or 'version 13'
[21:37] <Seveas> there's 10.04, 10.10, 13.04 and 13.10. And direct dist-upgrades from any 10.x to 13.x are not supported
[21:38] <EMKO> TJ-: ok instead i just install openssh on ubunut now i have access from here any easy way to pastebin?
[21:38] <kervan_> thank you Seveas
[21:40] <OerHeks> !pastebinit
[21:40] <RozzyFriend> ji?
[21:40] <RozzyFriend> hi*
[21:40] <hitsujiTMO> EMKO: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /boot/grub/grub.cfg && sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit
[21:42] <EMKO> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653710/  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653711/
[21:42] <[[a]> Hello, I would like to know how to terminate the "Port 5431 PARK AGENT"- I couldn't find a command on Ubuntu to stop the port.
[21:45] <mbroeker> [[a], enter "netstat -atulpen | grep 5431" in terminal
[21:45] <[[a]> thx
[21:45] <hitsujiTMO> EMKO: "Partition table entries are not in disk order" could be part of the problem. can you also do: df -h | pastebinit
[21:46] <EMKO> hitsujiTMO:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653738/
[21:46] <sam_> I think I erased my erecovery manager for my windows preload :(. damn reinstalling windows after ubuntu is so hard, they need to do sth about it
[21:47] <[[a]> mbroeker, still open
[21:47] <mbroeker> [[a], what's the last column?
[21:48] <[[a]> mbroeker, 5431/tcp open  park-agent
[21:49] <[[a]> mbroeker, I think there is no way I can close it, since it is open on my router. I googled the port to get some information about, some ppl do say it is "risky" to let it open. I couldn't find a command to close it
[21:50] <irc-5225225> What's the command to find the uuid of a partition?
[21:50] <hitsujiTMO> EMKO: "Partition table entries are not in disk order" is the only thing I see that 'could' be part of the problem. but most stuff can handle an out of order partition table. I'd consider a clean reinstall
[21:51] <Bashing-om> irc-5225225: sudo blkid for UUID mapping .
[21:51] <EMKO> hitsujiTMO: oh ok
[21:52] <irc-5225225> Bashing-om: Thanks
[21:54] <hitsujiTMO> [[a]: what service do you have running that is using that port?
[21:55] <mbroeker> [[a], disable uPnp in your router and check again with nmap :)
[21:55] <[[a]> mbroeker, ok I will do that
[21:55] <the8thbit> Hi, I want use the speakers in my digital piano as general use speakers for my laptop. Right now, if I plug it in via USB and run Synthesia in Wine, Synthesia is able to output audio to the speakers. However, if I go into the 'sound' menu in ubuntu, they are not listed as an output device.
[21:56] <[[a]> hitsujiTMO, there is no service running on it
[21:56] <TJ-> EMKO: "for n in 1 3 4 5; do sudo blkid /dev/sda$n; done
[21:56] <hitsujiTMO> [[a]: there has to be if the port is open. is this on a router or an ubuntu machine?
[21:57] <nikcsareb> ok
[21:57] <[[a]> hitsujiTMO, the service is called "PARK AGENT" and its running on my router.
[21:57] <nikcsareb> Where should i ask for evdev issues?
[21:57] <TJ-> EMKO: Then "sudo mkdir /mnt/tmp && sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/tmp && df | pastebinit"
[21:58] <mbroeker> [[a], for the next time: nmap -T4 -A <router ip>
[21:58] <bhldev> hi guys
[21:58] <hitsujiTMO> [[a]: this isn't router support this is ubuntu support. Park agent is there as nmap generically reffers to that as being the most common service running from that known port. doesn't mean that that is the actual service that is running
[21:58] <[[a]> mbroeker, ok
[21:58] <EMKO> mbroeker: i include the " in the commands right?
[21:59] <mbroeker> EMKO, no :)
[21:59] <bhldev> I have a virtual machine running ubuntu server that I created a static ip for somehow by modifying /etc/network/interfaces (virtualbox) now I want it to use dhcp again and it's not been working
[21:59] <bhldev> so far I modify /etc/network/interfaces to add auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp lines back and comment out all the rest except loopback, but the old ip is still there instead of the dhcp ip
[22:00] <EMKO> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653799/
[22:00] <hitsujiTMO> bhldev: what type of network interface is it? bridged/NAT/etc?
[22:00] <bhldev> how do I make ubuntu server completely forget about the eth0 interface and start from nothing?
[22:00] <bhldev> NAT
[22:01] <TJ-> EMKO: OK, that shows us that running out of space wasn't the cause of the issue.
[22:01] <[[a]> hitsujiTMO, thank you. Just if you missed the conversation from the begining, I said " How to close any port using ubuntu's terminal". Thx to mbroeker, who clarified my problem, now I know it is comming from router.
[22:01] <EMKO> TJ-: ok sorry im not much help im not that good with linux
[22:01] <bhldev> for example now it says 10.0.2.15 that was an old ip I want it to pull from my router's dhcp
[22:01] <bekks> bhldev: then network manager configures it.
[22:01] <bhldev> ubuntu server doesn't come with network manager does it?
[22:01] <bekks> bhldev: And dont use NAT then, but bridged.
[22:01] <bhldev> should I get it?
[22:02] <hitsujiTMO> bhldev: and is there a dchp running within that nat? what virtualisation software is it?
[22:02] <bhldev> I'm using virtualbox I don't know where the 10.0.2.15 addy is coming from
[22:02] <bhldev> okay let me switch to bridged
[22:02] <bekks> bhldev: Thats the default NAT DHCP address from vbox.
[22:02] <[[a]> mbroeker, Thx man, it worked. Even though I dont know who activated, next time I will make sure that is closed
[22:02] <TJ-> EMKO: So, what I'd suggest you do is reboot it, enter the grub menu, choose an older kernel and its associated Recovery option, get to the root prompt, and rebuild all the initial ramdisks using "update-initramfs -uvk all"
[22:02] <hitsujiTMO> bhldev: ahh yeah, if you want it on the external network you need bridged as bekks said
[22:02] <bekks> bhldev: Very well documented in chapter 6 of the official vbox manual.
[22:03] <TJ-> EMKO: In theory that will fix the corrupted initrd image for the latest kernel... After that you can reboot normally, and hopefully it'll start correctly
[22:04] <BluesKaj> bhldev, /etc/resolv.conf has been replaced by /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base , that's where one lists the IPs you want to use with the interfaces file
[22:04] <mbroeker> [[a], Windows and Linux uses UPNP to open ports on demand: skype or games use UPNP to auto-open ports and networking just works.
[22:05] <bhldev> hitsujiTMO, bekks, BluesKaj thanks, got it to work also just found out about the base
[22:05] <bekks> bhldev: the /etc/resolv.conf doesnt set any IP addresses of an interface. It configures the DNS servers to be used only.
[22:05] <bhldev> this is why I use ubuntu, ubuntu people are nicer ;p
[22:06] <bhldev> although I should have realized to use bridged instead of NAT
[22:07] <HeathHayle> i keep on getting error 1604 any ideas?
[22:07] <bekks> !details | HeathHayle
[22:07] <hitsujiTMO> HeathHayle: can you give us the full error and what app?
[22:07] <HeathHayle> Sorry wrong room
[22:09] <nikcsareb> hi can i use /etc/x11/xorg.conf.d on ubuntu?
[22:09] <bekks> nikcsareb: Yes.
[22:10] <nikcsareb> because that dir does not exist
[22:10] <bekks> nikcsareb: Although using /etc/x11/xorg.conf would be more easy.
[22:11] <nikcsareb> i want Xorg to use synaptics driver insthead of evdev...
[22:11] <bekks> nikcsareb: Then just create a /etc/x11/xorg.conf file.
[22:12] <asl40mca> hi
[22:12] <genii> bekks: Uppercase X there ;)
[22:12] <asl40mca> is there a way to have more than one desktop running ?
[22:12] <asl40mca> a viritual machine or box?
[22:12] <bekks> genii: Yeah :)
[22:12] <asl40mca> how do i do that
[22:12] <bekks> asl40mca: Install a hypervisor, setup a virtual machine.
[22:13] <BluesKaj> bekks, yeah, it's been a while since i used a static IP , now i remember , resolv.conf was for the dns entries
[22:13] <EMKO> TJ-: when i do that command nothing happens? is that normal
[22:14] <TJ-> EMKO: The "update-initramfs ..." command?
[22:14] <EMKO> TJ-: yea
[22:15] <TJ-> EMKO: No, far from normal. The "v" option should cause it to print a lot of information on what it is doing
[22:16] <EMKO> TJ-: maybe i typed it wrong i will go try again
[22:16] <TJ-> EMKO: OK
[22:16] <hitsujiTMO> EMKO: did you run it with sudo?
[22:16] <amh345> i've got a ubuntu server with a CPU idling between 80-99%. top reveals all cpu% nothing that would be taking up this cpu idle. only a handful of process report cpu usage. and they're all under 1%
[22:16] <amh345> any ideas?
[22:17] <nikcsareb> bekks: FUUUUUUUUUU
[22:17] <nikcsareb> Xorg ignores it
[22:17] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: If its in recovery single-user mode as I suggested, that wouldn't be needed
[22:17] <bitpaul> amh345: occurs each time you reboot?
[22:17] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: ahh sorry
[22:18] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: I'd hope it'd throw an error too about no permissions :)
[22:18] <amh345> bitpaul: yes. each time.  i've let it sit for a few minutes to see if it comes back down and it doesn't.
[22:19] <TJ-> amh345: Is it doing a lot of work on the network? Or on RAIDed block devices, maybe?
[22:19] <hitsujiTMO> amh345: can you pastebin: top -n 1
[22:20] <amh345> hitsujiTMO: here is the paste bin for it. http://pastebin.com/qbRhUzii
[22:20] <EMKO> TJ-: hitsujiTMO: i tried with and without nothing happens
[22:20] <bitpaul> amh345: by chance do you have IOTop installed?
[22:20] <amh345> bitpaul: i do not
[22:21] <TJ-> EMKO: OK, that suggests something more is amiss
[22:21] <bitpaul> amh345: and it spikes right away and stays there?
[22:22] <hitsujiTMO> amh345: can you pastebin the full output, not just the individual entries
[22:22] <amh345> bitpaul: immediately spikes and sits there.
[22:22] <EMKO> bitpaul: all i did was update from 12.04 i think to 12.10 that worked then i whent to 13.04 and this happend
[22:23] <EMKO> bitpaul: sorry wrong person
[22:23] <amh345> hitsujiTMO: pops. my mistake. here is full output. http://pastebin.com/RfwjfZEX
[22:23] <EMKO> TJ-: all i did was update from 12.04 i think to 12.10 that worked then i whent to 13.04 and this happend
[22:23] <bitpaul> EMKO: no worries
[22:23] <TJ-> EMKO: "all I did" is an understatement ... release-upgrades are the most traumatic things that are done, and stringing 2 together is double-trouble :)
[22:24] <EMKO> TJ-: oh i didnt know that
[22:24] <TJ-> EMKO: what we need to do, I think, is see if there's some clues in the system log files in "/var/log/" ... I'm thinking which to check out first.
[22:24] <TJ-> EMKO: At the moment does that system have network access?
[22:24] <nikcsareb> Xorg.conf is not used for input devices by default
[22:25] <nikcsareb> but
[22:25] <EMKO> TJ-: yea everything worng just no unity desktop, it just shows a small window in the middle of my screen with the desktop image
[22:26] <EMKO> works*
[22:26] <ice799> Hi - I know you can use preseeding on ubuntu to automate package installation but is it possible to use preseed.cfg to install build-deps too? For example, I want to automate "apt-get build-dep package" -- is it possible to do this with preseeding? if so, what is the syntax?
[22:26] <res_> hi, i'm using ubuntu 13.10 64 bit. The copy process is taking a lot of cpu, around 90% of it. i'm having an core i3 processor with 4gb of ram. also the process mono takes about 10% of the cpu. i tried searching and found a lot of similar threads in forums but not a solution. is this a bug or is there a solution for it? thanks
[22:26] <Rory> ice799: Not natively, the best thing to do would be to run "apt-get build-dep <package>" yourself and use preseed to install those packages
[22:27] <TJ-> EMKO: OK... if you reboot it and go into the grub menu, and choose a "Recovery" option matching the older kernel you know will boot... that will avoid the graphical user interface. It'll give you a text menu where you can choose to enable networking and then 'drop' to a root shell terminal. From there, you can 'pastebinit' some of the log files... does that sound OK?
[22:27] <ice799> Rory: I see, OK thanks
[22:27] <bitpaul> amh345: does the boot log show anything?
[22:27] <hitsujiTMO> amh345: that top output looks fairly normal to me
[22:27] <EMKO> TJ-: yea 3.2 recovery drops me to desktop only 3.0 goes to that menu is that ok?
[22:28] <Rory> res_: Are you using full-disk encryption?
[22:28] <TJ-> EMKO: That is fine... the important thing is to get to the text shell with networking enabled
[22:28] <amh345> hitsujiTMO: so the idle is no big deal?
[22:28] <bitpaul> amh345: agreed, I don't see anything weird about the top output
[22:28] <res_> Rory: nop, i am not
[22:28] <hitsujiTMO> amh345: idle = cpu processing time not being used.
[22:28] <Rory> res_: OK, when you say the copy process, what are you referring to?
[22:29] <hitsujiTMO> amh345: its normal to have a high idle on a low usage
[22:29] <res_> Rory: I'm copying a bunch of files, a lot of small files, about 400,000 files from my portable hdd to my laptop hdd
[22:29] <amh345> so is idle just "available" cpu resource?
[22:29] <hitsujiTMO> amh345: effectively yes.
[22:30] <TJ-> res: Is the portable HDD connected via USB 2?
[22:30] <bitpaul> amh345: what problem were you attempting to resolve to start with?
[22:30] <hitsujiTMO> amh345: more that its cpu time not being allocated to a process
[22:30] <EMKO> TJ-: ok done
[22:31] <TJ-> EMKO: great... first let me see the list of log files itself: "ls -latr /var/log/ | pastebinit"
[22:31] <hitsujiTMO> bitpaul: i think he just misunderstood the idle process
[22:31] <res> sorry, i got disconnected. Rory , the copy dialog has also disappeared for me
[22:31] <TJ-> EMKO: I'm assuming 'pastebinit' is already installed, and the network *is* working!
[22:31] <TJ-> res: Is the portable HDD connected via USB 2?
[22:31] <Rory> res_: OK, when you say the copy process, what are you referring to?
[22:31] <EMKO> TJ-: i have to reinstall it?
[22:31] <bonsu> which desktop environment is better gnome kde or xfsc ?
[22:31] <res> TJ-: yes it is
[22:31] <Rory> res: Sorry, I missed your answer above
[22:32] <bitpaul> hitsujiTMO: ah, I was assuming he thought this was a symptom of something else. I know I can get lost from time to time on secondary issues when I see things I don't quite understand.
[22:32] <TJ-> EMKO: Not if it is already there, no... but if you get an error "command not found" then yes, you will need to install it
[22:32] <res> Rory: no probs, the copy process is just right-click copy-paste
[22:32] <hitsujiTMO> bonsu: better in what sense exactly? its a pretty ambiguous term
[22:32] <Rory> res: Is the target filesystem ntfs? There's no native ntfs driver, so I guess copying a very large number of small files to an ntfs filesystem could cause high CPU usage
[22:33] <res> Rory: , no my laptop hdd is ext4
[22:33] <Xgates> hi guys
[22:34] <phenex> anyone knows how to disable the onboard vga in ubuntu??? Don't want to disable it in bios. But when I install drivers for my pcie vga sometimes i get a black screen. Sry for my bad english
[22:34] <bonsu> one that weigh less
[22:34] <TJ-> res: When copying large numbers of files using the GUI, often times the system spends more time building pretty internally lists of all the files it needs to copy, using up valuable RAM, and leading to extremely long-winded copy operations.
[22:34] <EMKO> TJ-: nice ssh is working making it much easier http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653938/
[22:34] <TJ-> EMKO: Yay ... progressQ
[22:34] <bekks> phenex: Disable it in your BIOS.
[22:34] <bonsu> trying arch on virtualbox  hoping i can get advise on the desktop environment
[22:34] <Rory> res: If you want to copy a very large number of files, I recommend looking into the "rsync" command
[22:34] <res> TJ-: so i guess it is just a bug then. any idea about the disappeared copy dialog?
[22:35] <bekks> phenex: Unless you have Nvidia Optimus, you should be able to do so.
[22:35] <Xgates> It's been a while since I've played with Ubuntu, in Dash the sections are called Lens? Like Home Lens, Application Lens, etc...?
[22:35] <res> thanks Rory , i'll take a look on rsync
[22:35] <hitsujiTMO> phenex: what exactly is the onboard vga? and are you sure thats the cause of your problem? you could blacklist the kernel driver for it.
[22:35] <k1l> Xgates: its called lens and scopes
[22:35] <Rory> !rsync | res
[22:35] <Xgates> ahhh scopes ok I remember that one now... :)
[22:35] <phenex> it's an apu HD4000
[22:35] <TJ-> EMKO: Now show me "ls -latr /var/log/dist-upgrade/ | pastebinit"
[22:35] <bhldev> for nvidia optimus use bumblebee I figured it out last week
[22:35] <Xgates> How can I remove the Social one?
[22:35] <phenex> desktop pc
[22:36] <hitsujiTMO> phenex: and what gpu is it?
[22:36] <phenex> the apu is an HD4000 and the pcie card is an nvida gtx80
[22:36] <k1l> Xgates: open the application lense, scroll down and select the scope you want to disable, click disable
[22:36] <EMKO> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653948/
[22:36] <phenex> sry gtx680
[22:36] <res> thanks Rory , i'll keep it in mind next time i copy large number of files
[22:36] <TJ-> res: disappearing dialog... no ideas! I always use a shell to do file operations
[22:37] <bhldev> shit was going to pimp my blog but didn't write about the stuff I did with bumblebee
[22:37] <res> ah okay. thanks TJ-
[22:37] <k1l> Xgates: http://askubuntu.com/questions/363912/how-to-remove-amazon-and-ubuntu-one-music
[22:37] <bhldev> it wasn't much anyway I think I just followed the ubuntu guide to install bumblebee
[22:37] <bhldev> for "optimus"
[22:37] <TJ-> EMKO: OK now "pastebinit /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log"
[22:37] <hitsujiTMO> phelix: under no circumstances should the apu be the cause of the issue with the gpu. what driver exactly are you using. you may simply need the nomodeset kernel param
[22:37] <Jodo> Hello! Ubuntu will help me with my wife to have children?
[22:37] <marjinal1st> hi i'm using ubuntu 13.10, I can't link my twitter on gnome online accounts. its returning some ssl error on console like this: "credentials-cc-panel-CRITICAL **: cc-credentials-authorization-page.vala:182: Error completing auth session process: GDBus.Error:com.google.code.AccountsSSO.SingleSignOn.Error.Ssl: The issuer certificate of a locally looked up certificate could not be found;The root CA certificate is not trusted for this purpose;" How can i
[22:37] <hitsujiTMO> phenex: ^^
[22:38] <Xgates> not sure about this disable you  mention where it's at I want to uninstall the Social Lens...
[22:38] <k1l> Jodo: that is offtopic here, please ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:38] <hitsujiTMO> !nomodeset | phenex
[22:38] <phenex> i installed the nvidia-331 from the xorg ppa
[22:38] <k1l> Xgates: see the askubuntu link
[22:38] <Jodo> u ask
[22:38] <Rory> Jodo: Sure, take a look at "Periodic Calendar", a GUI application which assists in women menstrual cycles tracking and fertility periods prediction. http://linuxorg.sourceforge.net/
[22:38] <Xgates> I'm looking thanks...
[22:38] <EMKO> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653955/
[22:39] <phenex> the problem is only when i activate the apu
[22:39] <hitsujiTMO> phenex: is this a laptop or desktop?
[22:39] <Okitain> Rory: i had no idea that the question was serious
[22:39] <Rory> Okitain: I assume it wasn't, but thought I'd answer as if it were.
[22:40] <phenex> its an desktop pc bumblebee only works with laptop optimus support
[22:40] <Rory> Okitain: Don't feed the trolls and all that
[22:40] <hitsujiTMO> phenex: if you wish you csould try blacklisting i915
[22:40] <TJ-> EMKO: I'm reading it... might be a few minutes
[22:40] <EMKO> TJ-: its ok
[22:40] <gordonjcp> Okitain: you never know.  You really, really never know.
[22:41]  * TJ- awards Rory the Terry Pratchett Subtle Humour Award :p
[22:41] <phenex> i tryed alread to blacklist video it seems to be the module but after kerlnerl update i had the same problem
[22:43] <hitsujiTMO> phenex: its its happening after a kernel update then the issue is most likely with dkms not recompiling the nvidia kernel module after the upgrade
[22:43] <phenex> yeah then i tryed to reinstall the nvidia driver again from console but on boot i still got a black screen
[22:44] <bekks> phenex: Because you have to use bumblebee to disable the Intel APU and activate the Nvidia GPU.
[22:44] <hitsujiTMO> bekks: its a desktop not laptop
[22:45] <rizmut> Hello everyone
[22:45] <Xgates> Disable Social is not what I'm trying to do, this doesn't work, anyone know how to uninstall the Social lens if that's possible?
[22:45] <phenex> ok i try bumblebee again an search the web for a workaround again
[22:45] <hitsujiTMO> phenex: have you booted the system now?
[22:45] <Jodo> http://ubuntusatanic.org/wallpapers/SE-Kristanna_Loken.jpg
[22:46] <phenex> yes with disabled apu
[22:46] <rizmut> I've installed Ubuntu 12.04.3 64 bit in Lenovo G450 system
[22:46]  * Xgates trys sudo apt-get remove unity-lens-xxx
[22:46] <hitsujiTMO> phenex: are you at the cli now or graphical DE?
[22:46] <Rory> Xgates: that would be unity-lens-*
[22:47] <rizmut> actually this is first time I want to use 64 versiob
[22:47] <rizmut> version
[22:47] <phenex> yes i'm from de
[22:47] <k1l> Xgates: did you look into the privacy settings?
[22:47] <k1l> in system settings?
[22:47] <phenex> graphical
[22:47] <Xgates> yes I turned off for the privacy but that's not what I want, I have no need for a Social section/lens...
[22:48] <k1l> phenex: DE means DesktopEnviroment
[22:48] <hitsujiTMO> phenex: damn. it would be good to see the Xorg log + dmesg from when you get the black screen
[22:48] <rizmut> and I've added some PPAs (including Kazam PPA)
[22:48] <phenex> ok lol
[22:48] <rizmut> but sadly my Totem, Cheese and Gstreamer related application could not work properly
[22:49] <rizmut> I couldn't play any video play using Totem or Gloobus Preview
[22:49] <Xgates> I really wish Canocial didn't install all these lens/scopes and left it up to the end-user to pick and choose, and if Canocial is so persitant on it, then let the end user pick and choose them during the Install of Ubuntu
[22:49] <Xgates> Rory: not following you? apt-get remove unity-lens-social doesn't work...
[22:49] <k1l> Xgates: dont make a drama out of it. disable the online search in privacy settings and all is fine
[22:49] <Xgates> k1l: ypu
[22:49] <Xgates> errrr
[22:50] <Xgates> k1l: you're not following me... this isn't about Search results I'm talking about removing things I don't need/use
[22:50] <k1l> Xgates: then remove the lenses you dont want: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=saucy&searchon=names&keywords=unity-lens
[22:50] <Xgates> I don't need a Social section in Dash and would like to remove it...
[22:50] <glitsj16> Xgates: i think you're refering to the unity-lens-friends
[22:50] <Guest90938> hey guys
[22:51] <Xgates> yes I'm trying, been following some things been reading online, not sure which one works for it...
[22:51] <Rory> You can set a more friendly nickname with the "/nick" command - for example to change my name to Rory I typed "/nick Rory" (without the quotes) Guest90938
[22:51] <demon^eye> any good translator like babylon for Ubuntu ?
[22:51] <Guest90938> how do i change name
[22:51] <Xgates> ok friends thx I'll try that...
[22:51] <k1l> but dont come here and make a drama just because you heard some hardliners talking about some things they dont like
[22:51] <Xgates> thanks guys
[22:52] <Rory> demon^eye: Take a look at Artha (sudo apt-get install artha)
[22:52] <Guest90938> how can i get online without a browser
[22:52] <demon^eye> Rory,  : i will try ... i am new to linux :)
[22:52] <Xgates> is purge still better for getting everything out on an install instead of remove, or both doing the same? apt-get purge/remove?
[22:53] <Rory> Guest90938: "get online" what do you mean?
[22:53] <k1l> !apt | Xgates
[22:53] <hitsujiTMO> Xgates: purge is all you need
[22:53] <Rory> Guest90938: A browser (firefox) is included with Ubuntu
[22:53] <Guest90938> can't go online internet explorer won't let me
[22:53] <Xgates> ok wasn't sure if anything change with apt in regards to purge and remove, I always read purge is to really clean out...
[22:53] <Xgates> thx
[22:53] <Rory> Guest90938: This is Ubuntu support
[22:53] <hitsujiTMO> Guest90938: also a browser w3m is included with ubuntu-server
[22:54] <Xgates> brb thc again guys..
[22:54] <phenex> i installed bumblebee now anyone knows how to disable the apu graphics
[22:54] <Rory> Xgates: purge also removes configuration files provided by the program, even if you modified them
[22:56] <jaime> Hey Phenex I am on Ubuntu 12.04 i have 2 gpu but i had to do nothing when i installed my os i check on so it can install updates and third parties update and when it was done it booted ubuntu running on my nvidia i don't have to use bumbble bee to switch to nvidia
[22:56] <demon^eye> Rory, : artha cant translate to other languages
[22:56] <demon^eye> its only english ...
[22:57] <phenex> hmmm
[22:57] <demon^eye> i am looking for software like babylon
[22:57] <darkblue_b> does someone know.. how to "pin" with apt.. in the case of a repo called ppa:johanvdw/osgeolive
[22:57] <darkblue_b> the variations I just tried did not work
[22:57] <Rory> oh sorry demon^eye I misread an answer on answers.ubuntu.com - frankly I'd just use Google Translate
[22:57] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: what exactly do you want to pin?
[22:57] <Rory> demon^eye: for a GUI there's gnome-translate
[22:58] <demon^eye> Rory,  : cool mate 10x
[22:58] <TJ-> EMKO: Slight delay; launchpad has issues with openid log-in preventing me from downloading the full pastebin file!
[22:58] <Bashing-om> .win 3
[22:58] <eoij> k1l:  I AM BACK :D
[22:59] <EMKO> TJ-:  its alright take your time
[22:59] <eoij> k1l: I damaged and repaired everything at the same time, in just _10_ hours of pure desperation
[22:59] <darkblue_b> hitsujiTMO: a package named postgis is in apt.postgresql.org  .. but our Linux system has its own build, so I want to take the package named postgis from this johanvdw repo
[22:59] <eoij> k1l: I don't know how, but even Sudoku is now installed :D
[23:00] <darkblue_b> "the output of apt-cache policy will give you pinning hints" I have heard recently
[23:00] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: can you pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy
[23:01] <rizmut> demon^eye: you could give GoldenDict a try
[23:01] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: lol, yup, it give your current pinning config and the possible entries in relation to specifying a repo
[23:02] <TJ-> darkblue_b: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[23:02] <darkblue_b> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.debian.net/72913/
[23:03] <darkblue_b> TJ-: thank you , but a quick scan of that document doesnt help me (yet)
[23:03] <darkblue_b> I guess I dont understand what counts as a wildcard for the -t
[23:03] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: is it just that 1 package you want?
[23:03] <darkblue_b> I think so..
[23:04] <jaime> im so bored anybody know a good shooting game?
[23:04] <TJ-> EMKO: Back in business :)
[23:04] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: can you pastebin the output of: apt-cache show postgis
[23:05] <TJ-> darkblue_b: You might want "apt-mark hold ..." instead
[23:05] <darkblue_b> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.debian.net/72914/
[23:07] <darkblue_b> TJ-: no clue...
[23:07] <darkblue_b> I know there are two packages called postgis in the repos, which conflict.. but I dont see how to read those pasted outputs yet
[23:08] <[[thufir]]> how do I authetnitcate my username?
[23:08] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: this should work for you. it will not install the other packages http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654092/
[23:08] <TJ-> EMKO: OK, I need "pastebinit /var/log/syslog.1"
[23:08] <darkblue_b> hitsujiTMO: huh?
[23:08] <darkblue_b> what do I do ?
[23:09] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: save that to a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d
[23:09] <darkblue_b> oh gee.. ok I can try
[23:10] <darkblue_b> ultimately, there is a series of 100 scripts that run to build our linux setup.. and I am tasking myself with understanding this.. so we want a scripted solution.. if adding a file like that to /etc/apt/preferences.d is the right thing....
[23:11] <darkblue_b> .. it seems that sets all other packages in johanvdw to priority -10 and then sets the one package postgis up high...
[23:11] <darkblue_b> we do not have the finalized repo yet.. this is all very alpha
[23:12] <darkblue_b> the johan himself suggested briely that we disable apt.postgresql.org at the install time
[23:12] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: well that's how you configure apt-pinning. i've given everything in that repo a negative priority so it will not install those packages. and postgis is given a higher priority so that it will be chosen above the other repos. is that what you were looking for?
[23:12] <darkblue_b> that seeems hacky too
[23:12] <darkblue_b> hitsujiTMO: I appreciate any tips of course...
[23:13] <EMKO> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654119/
[23:13] <darkblue_b> we have been building for several years and the 2013 releases were quite good.. so its not a big waste here.. but this package is new, so I am learning a bit
[23:13] <darkblue_b> thx for your patience
[23:14] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: you shouldn't need to disable the repos, just prioritise the packages from your preffered repo
[23:14] <darkblue_b> hitsujiTMO: yeah - thats what I guessed
[23:16] <yellow> Hi
[23:16] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: when you have conflicting packages its good to set the unwanted pages to a lower priority (or negative priority preferably) and only prioritise the necessary packages above all else. issues ofcouse do arise when there's dependencies involved and you may need to set priorities for a number of pckages
[23:16] <yellow> is this true : Famous software activist Richard Stallman has accused Ubuntu developers Canonical of ignoring the privacy of its users
[23:17] <yellow> sending User data to Canonical Servers
[23:17] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | yellow
[23:18] <bekks> yellow: Yes, it is true that Mr. Stallman accused Ubuntu of doing so. Yes, it is true that Mr. Stallman didnt understand how to uninstall unwanted software as a user. </my2cents>
[23:19] <darkblue_b> hitsujiTMO: hmm
[23:23] <TJ-> EMKO: I'm not seeing any clues so far. What I see shows an upgrade from Quantal to Raring, and a successful boot around 14:00 this afternoon, followed by installing the HP Deskjet 3050A printer driver just before 15:00
[23:24] <TJ-> EMKO: show me "pastebinit /var/log/syslog"
[23:25] <EMKO> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654177/
[23:25] <darkblue_b> hitsujiTMO: this is how I wrote it up.. thx for your assist  http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1272
[23:25] <darkblue_b> others will confer on this in the next days..
[23:26] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: seems about right. hopefully that will do for its purpose.
[23:26] <kieppie> howdy
[23:27] <kieppie> I have an HP Envy laptop, running 13.10 on it. I
[23:27] <kieppie> I'm a pretty seasoned Ubuntu user, but the experience on this host is absolutely downright aweful. not sure if it's the OS or hardware
[23:28] <TJ-> EMKO: What does this show? "file $(which update-initramfs)"
[23:28] <kieppie> power management blows - but admittedly it's never been gear with linux to begin with - touchscreen so-so, etc
[23:28] <kieppie> any experienced users about able/willing to help, please?
[23:28] <EMKO> TJ-: /usr/sbin/update-initramfs: symbolic link to `/bin/true'
[23:29] <hitsujiTMO> kieppie: what hardware?
[23:29] <TJ-> EMKO: ouch!
[23:29] <TJ-> EMKO: it should show "usr/sbin/update-initramfs: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable"
[23:29] <TJ-> EMKO: "ls -latr /usr/sbin/ | pastebinit"
[23:30] <adas> hi, anyone here good with crontab?
[23:30] <hitsujiTMO> !anyone | adas
[23:30] <EMKO> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654205/
[23:30] <adas>  i made it so flexget runs on a specific day at specific hours using crontab and it worked on one computer, but on another I get this in my mail: "/bin/sh: 1: flexget: not found" why is this?
[23:30] <kieppie> hi hitsujiTMO:  HP ENVY TS 15 Notebook PC (E3A57PA#ABG) - I popped the W8 HDD & dropped in a SSD
[23:31] <hitsujiTMO> kieppie: what cpu and gpu?
[23:31] <adas> if I manually run flexget on that same computer it works well, but not with crontab
[23:31] <constl> Would you recommend nfs or samba for a home network consisting of windows, macs and ubuntus?
[23:32] <TJ-> EMKO: OK, I'm getting an idea of what is wrong. For some reason part of the release upgrade process failed half-way
[23:33] <TJ-> EMKO: Try this: "file /usr/sbin/update-initramfs.distrib"
[23:33] <hitsujiTMO> constl: samba. less compatibly issues. maybe nfs if the windows machines are windows enterprise
[23:34] <glitsj16> adas: did you use full path to the flexget executable?
[23:34] <hitsujiTMO> adas: can you paste the exact line from crontab that you entered.
[23:34] <EMKO> TJ-: /usr/sbin/update-initramfs.distrib: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable
[23:34] <kieppie> hitsujiTMO:  4x AMD A8-5550M APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics,
[23:34] <adas> glitsj16: no I didnt, but I didnt have to on the other computer also.
[23:34] <TJ-> EMKO: Let's fix that now. "rm /usr/sbin/update-initramfs && mv /usr/sbin/update-initramfs.distrib /usr/sbin/update-initramfs"
[23:34] <constl> hitsujiTMO: ok thanks!
[23:35] <adas> hitsujiTMO: 1 11-23 * * thu flexget
[23:35] <kostkon> kieppie, install the amd driver, if it's possible, it may improve power usage
[23:36] <Bootcamp> Hello which version of Ubuntu ISO do I need to download for MAcBookPro 2013 on a Bootcamp Partition.  64 bit PC or 64 bit Mac
[23:36] <Bootcamp> Also if it was VMware instead which one?
[23:36] <hitsujiTMO> adas: as glitsj16 pointed out. you must specify the full path to flexget.    cron doesn't have a $PATH set
[23:36] <kieppie> kostkon: I have & kept it current. It did improve things a little, but power-management & power-consumption overall is pretty horrendous. TBH it's an issue that I've always seen around the Linux-watercooler
[23:37] <adas> hitsujiTMO: ok, but it worked on other computer, maybe cus it runs suse
[23:37] <adas> hitsujiTMO: how do I find the path to flexget :o?
[23:37] <EMKO> TJ-:  ok done
[23:37] <TJ-> EMKO: after that, lets rebuild the initial RAM disk images (the /boot/initrd* files) ... "update-initramfs -uvk all >/tmp/update01.log 2>&1" then "pastebinit /tmp/update01.log"
[23:37] <cvtsx> So using is using the windows installer not considered installing ubuntu?
[23:37] <jaime> Kieppie u should of got a hp with nvidia :)
[23:38] <TJ-> EMKO:  you should be seeing a lot of output scrolling away now
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> kieppie: unfortunately radeondriver powermanagent doesnt see a propper improvement until the release of kernel 3.13. till then, the proprietary driver is needed for powermanagement
[23:38] <EMKO> TJ-: -bash: 1 then pastebinit: ambiguous redirect
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> adas: which flexget
[23:38] <EMKO> TJ-: oops
[23:38] <TJ-> EMKO: :p
[23:38] <TJ-> EMKO: yeah, two separate commands there
[23:38] <TJ-> EMKO:  let the first finish then pastebinit the log file
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> cvtsx: wubi?
[23:39] <kieppie>  jaime: I really wanter the intel/nvidia combo, but they were sold out at the time & I had to settle for this one, as my old laptop died a flaming death in the middle of a critical job.
[23:39] <Bootcamp> Hello I am using Unebootin to create a Live USB Ubuntu v13.10 on a Flash Drive, but its for a MacBookPro 2013.  I may install either on Bootcamp partition or Vmware.  WHich version of the ISO is bets the 64 bit PC or 64 bit Mac?
[23:39] <Bootcamp> Does it matter?
[23:39] <kieppie> hitsujiTMO: you suspect general power-issues could be down to the GPU, essentially?
[23:40] <cvtsx> yes wubi
[23:40] <glitsj16> adas: the flexget wiki has all what you need --> http://flexget.com/wiki/InstallWizard/Linux/Environment/FlexGet/Scheduling
[23:40] <hitsujiTMO> kieppie: yes, in general radeon driver power management sucks.
[23:40] <kieppie> :/ why does that not surprise me.....
[23:40] <EMKO> TJ-: i think i messed something up on the remove and move http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654254/
[23:41] <EMKO> TJ-:  it was asking for permission so i did sudo but i think something whent wrong
[23:41] <hitsujiTMO> cvtsx: its not advised to use wubi. its certainly not a real install
[23:41] <jaime> Kieppie sorry to hear that. Yea I have a HP Envy Dv7 running Ubuntu 12.04. I have a Nvidia Geforce GT 630M with dedicated 2gb. Fantastic laptop. But I had so much of laptop with ATI gpu. I do not get along with ATI :(
[23:41] <adas> thanks
[23:41] <TJ-> EMKO: Ahhh... I thought you were already the root user. do "sudo -i"  ... then you can redo the commands:
[23:42] <jaime> My INTEL gpu is disable automatically and I didn't do anything. LOL
[23:42] <TJ-> EMKO: ... "rm /usr/sbin/update-initramfs && mv /usr/sbin/update-initramfs.distrib /usr/sbin/update-initramfs"
[23:42] <kieppie> hmmmmm - maybe I should try & see if I can take this have for a swap-out......
[23:42] <cvtsx> hitsujiTMO: Do you advise i uninstall my current instalation and do it manually then?
[23:42] <kieppie> thanks guys. I'll maybe try & see if they come to the party, otherwise buy a new one....
[23:43] <glitsj16> adas: as the wiki explains, don't forget to add the --cron switch to the flexget command or you run the risk of ending up with a messed-up database
[23:43] <EMKO> TJ-: rm: cannot remove ‘/usr/sbin/update-initramfs’: No such file or directory
[23:43] <TJ-> EMKO: better check what those files are now, it looks like we've got confused! "ls -latr /usr/sbin/update-initramfs*"
[23:43] <EMKO> TJ-: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9164 May 31  2012 /usr/sbin/update-initramfs.distrib
[23:43] <hitsujiTMO> cvtsx: yes. wubi stands for (Will Ultimately Break It). best to remove it and downsize you windows partition, then install from the disk
[23:44] <TJ-> EMKO: OK...
[23:44] <TJ-> EMKO: ... "mv /usr/sbin/update-initramfs.distrib /usr/sbin/update-initramfs"
[23:44] <TJ-> EMKO: and now test it using "update-initramfs -h"
[23:45] <jaime> Kieppie how much u paid for ur laptop?
[23:45] <TJ-> EMKO: You should see the help options
[23:45] <EMKO> TJ-: yea
[23:45] <TJ-> EMKO: Yay :D
[23:45] <TJ-> EMKO: "update-initramfs -uvk all >/tmp/update01.log 2>&1"      then, after it is finished:    "pastebinit /tmp/update01.log"
[23:46] <TJ-> EMKO: *now* you should see a lot of messages scrolling away
[23:46] <cvtsx> ok
[23:46] <EMKO> TJ-: didnt show but there is a log
[23:46] <EMKO> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654279/
[23:47] <TJ-> EMKO: of course... silly me... getting tired... everything was redirected to the log file!!
[23:47] <Sia-> hi, with a HP laptop originally wuth ubuntu 12.4, i 'll install other distro, each time i get Black screen.
[23:47] <TJ-> EMKO: And that reveals you're missing some kernel versions!
[23:48] <hitsujiTMO> Sia-: what gpu?
[23:48] <TJ-> EMKO: "dpkg-query -l 'linux*' | pastebinit"
[23:48] <deadmund> Sia-: If you're trying to install another distro.  You need to ask for support in the channel for that distro
[23:48] <EMKO> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654291/
[23:49] <pvl1> is there a log file for apt-get
[23:49] <deadmund> pvl1: /var/log/apt/*
[23:49] <deadmund> pvl1: Next time just check out /var/log/<what you're looking for>
[23:49] <pvl1> oh that would make sense wouldnt it. thanks deadmund
[23:49] <TJ-> EMKO: "   echo -n "$(df)\n$(ls -latr /boot/)" | pastebinit   "
[23:49] <deadmund> pvl1: :)
[23:50] <TJ-> EMKO: correction: "   echo -e "$(df)\n$(ls -latr /boot/)" | pastebinit   "
[23:50] <Sia-> deadmund, ok i will try to install ubuntu 13.10 the same thing native install or upgrade
[23:50] <Sia-> hitsujiTMO, intel
[23:50] <EMKO> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654301/
[23:51] <Bootcamp> WHat is the deal with Ubuntu v13.10 ISO versions 64 bit PC and 64 bit Mac?  IS the PC version obviously for PC and older macs still with intel chipsets or what?
[23:51] <deadmund> Sia-: Have you tried using nomodeset
[23:51] <deadmund> ?
[23:51] <Sia-> deadmund, you mean in the kernel option?
[23:51] <deadmund> Sia-: Yes.
[23:52] <Sia-> ok, it's with E at the boot right?
[23:52] <deadmund> Sia-: That's the usual answer.  Here is a much more extensive web page on the issue: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen
[23:52] <constl> I'm trying to chmod a folder with chmod 0755 <foldername> and nothing happens. What am i doing wrong?
[23:52] <deadmund> Sia-: yes, press 'e' at the grub screen.
[23:52] <hitsujiTMO> Bootcamp: afaik the mac specific one if to cater for mac efi
[23:52] <deadmund> constl: 0755 will create rwxr-xr-x  is that what your want? (are you using -R recursive)
[23:53] <Sia-> deadmund, that is my first laptop from 2006 :-)
[23:53] <deadmund> Sia-: awesome :)
[23:53] <Bootcamp> thanks hitsujiTMO,  SO for a MacbookPro 2103 using either vmware or bootcamp should I download the Mac version then?
[23:53] <constl> deadmund: its a samba share so yeah i want anonymous access. I'm not using -R cause there are no folder beneath that folder yet
[23:54] <Sia-> deadmund, that is my first laptop from 2006 :-))
[23:54] <Sia-> i mean my last laptop got in 2006 , at this time was no UEFI and co :-
[23:54] <hitsujiTMO> not for bootcamp or vmware. both avoid mac efi.
[23:54] <deadmund> constl: Samba shares do not follow unix file permissions (because windows doesn't).  Permissions are set in the samba configuration I believe.
[23:55] <Sia-> Bootcamp, forget about it, it's no success at all to try install another OS on apple machines
[23:55] <gordonjcp> Sia-: hm?
[23:55] <Sia-> Virtualbox can better help you
[23:55] <hitsujiTMO> !behelpful | Sia-
[23:56] <Bootcamp> Ah ok so I need the PC version if I go with either of those type of partition schemes?  So the Mac ISO version I would use for example if I wanted to wipe the Mac OSX and install ubuntu directly to the drive?
[23:56] <gordonjcp> Sia-: so, you can't run Ubuntu on Apple Macs?
[23:56] <Sia-> sorry want to say my opinion with apple machines for almost 5 years
[23:56] <Bootcamp> I just need Ubuntu on the Mac to configure and compile Android Roms
[23:56] <TJ-> EMKO: "ls -latr /var/lib/initramfs-tools/ | pastebinit"
[23:56] <constl> deadmund: You are right there is mask directive in the configuraton. After following some guides on the net i successfuly set up a share folder in the default /srv/samba/share path. After changing it to something different i.e. an external drive i could not log as previously. After examing the folder permissions the default path has owner root and 0755 and the latter just 700. So I'm trying to change the latter but cant with chmod
[23:57] <Bootcamp> and this MacBookPro is fast 1TB PCIe drive and 16GB ram and Haswell fastest mobile processor
[23:57] <Sia-> gordonjcp, you can but.....aha ok let's try it maybe other ppl are cleaver than me
[23:57] <jaime> Hey deadmund you rang my bells I have a Window 2008 server It's acting as a file server I'm able to share to my other Windows machine but neither my Linux machines able to access the drive.
[23:57] <EMKO> TJ-:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654321/
[23:57] <gordonjcp> Sia-: Macbooks are the best laptops for running Linux...
[23:57] <hitsujiTMO> Bootcamp: i'm not 100% sure since i don't have a mac, but i believe the intention for the mac iso is for a non bootcamp install, such as replacing or dualbooting in a more native fashion
[23:58] <Bootcamp> I see
[23:58] <gordonjcp> you really want refind
[23:58] <TJ-> EMKO: OK... there's a problem. In that directory should be listed all the installed kernels, but only a single old kernel is listed, so update-initramfs isn't processing the newer kernels
[23:58] <Bootcamp> That makes more sense
[23:58] <Bootcamp> thanks
[23:58] <gordonjcp> stick refind on it, that'll help
[23:58] <TJ-> EMKO: I just need to test a fix for that here
[23:58] <Sia-> gordonjcp, as i say i have 3 apple machines home i'm using linux on 2 of them, each upgrade update i should retouch some system file.
[23:58] <EMKO> TJ-: is it because im using this kernal right now?
[23:58] <pvl1> im getting some errors running dpkg -P, says subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[23:59] <gordonjcp> Sia-: you must be doing something wrong
[23:59] <deadmund> constl: If the external drive is mounted in a folder (and it's not an ext formatted drive).  You need to unmount the drive, chmod the folder, and then mount the drive again into that folder.
[23:59] <TJ-> EMKO: no, it's because the upgrade failed at some point
[23:59] <hitsujiTMO> pvl1: you'll need to paste the full output