[00:48] <ochosi> brainwash: can you show me what the issue is with the parole icon? looks ok to me: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-12282013-014754am.php
[01:16] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, What do you suggest i do to fix http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=731363
[01:21] <Noskcaj> And http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=589777 is worth adding to the bzr
[01:21] <Unit193> Noskcaj: It's simple, can you use catfish without locate/mlocate installed?  If yes, drop locate to recommends and in such a way that it recommends mlocate first, then locate:  Recommends: mlocate | locate
[01:22] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I was asking bluesabre that question, since i don't knnow
[01:24] <Unit193> (It does.)
[01:34] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: I'll be doing an upstream fix for that this weekend, probably to be released Sunday.
[01:34] <Noskcaj> ok
[01:34] <bluesabre> ping me if I don't mention it sometime this weekend :)
[01:51] <brainwash> ochosi: oh, that is odd, for me the icon gets resized in the about dialog window
[01:51] <ochosi> brainwash: you're using elementary-xfce from git maybe?
[01:51] <ochosi> (i.e. as svg icontheme)
[01:52] <brainwash> ppa one
[01:52] <ochosi> hm
[01:52] <ochosi> then i don't know
[01:52] <ochosi> can you still show me a screenshot so i know what resolution you get
[01:52] <brainwash> trusty and all these PPAs
[01:52] <ochosi> Noskcaj: can you update the panel in the PPA to just use the last version from master instead of the separate branch? it's not up-to-date anymore
[01:53] <Unit193> ochosi: ...And package garcon too?
[01:53] <brainwash> ochosi: give me a few minutes
[01:53] <Noskcaj> ochosi, I think i had just used a release version, but sure
[01:53] <Unit193> Noskcaj: You copied from pouit's PPA.
[01:53] <ochosi> Noskcaj: i think you used the (at the time appropriate) wrapper3 branch of the panel
[01:54] <ochosi> which has meanwhile been merged
[01:54] <ochosi> yeah, and garcon would be useful as well
[01:54] <Noskcaj> oh yeah, you're right. updating nwo
[01:54] <ochosi> great, thanks a lot!
[01:56] <Noskcaj> Just master for both?
[01:56] <Unit193> ochosi: Can't build the panel without new garcon, last I knew.
[01:57] <ochosi> Noskcaj: yeah, i guess that'd be ideal
[01:58] <Noskcaj> And while people are here, do we have anything we can bribe corsac with to upload the 4.11 stuff to debian?
[01:58] <brainwash> ochosi: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/parole0.php
[01:59] <ochosi> brainwash: wowza, that is *huge*
[01:59] <brainwash> maybe some trusty magic?
[01:59] <ochosi> brainwash: could you report a bug in bugzilla just so that i doN't forget to look into that?
[01:59] <ochosi> Noskcaj: not sure we have anything to bribe him...
[02:00] <brainwash> ochosi: ok
[02:00] <brainwash> can anyone else confirm this huge icon in the parole about dialog?
[02:01] <brainwash> preferable trusty and the latest parole version
[02:03] <Noskcaj> brainwash, Fine here, but this is trusty with standard repos, so 0.5.4
[02:03] <brainwash> Noskcaj: thanks :)
[02:06] <ochosi> night everyone
[02:06] <brainwash> good night
[02:45] <Noskcaj> And idea why building garcon stops at "usr/share/gtk-doc/html/garcon/* is missing" ?
[02:47] <bluesabre> maybe build with --enable-gtk-doc ?
[02:47] <bluesabre> lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.7.0 released: https://launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/1.7/1.7.0
[02:47] <bluesabre> I'll try to have a stable ppa up tomorrow, and get an upload request in
[02:47] <bluesabre> gotta go, bbl
[10:25] <brainwash> bluesabre: any ideas regarding the huge icon in parole -> about? http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/parole0.php
[10:26] <brainwash> trusty
[10:27] <brainwash> it looks fine in 0.5.4, but not in the latest dev release (Xfce 4.12 ppa and compiled from source)
[10:40] <elfy> plugins don't work here either
[10:46] <elfy> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9904 perhaps still
[12:14] <bluesabre> brainwash: could you check if the same happens with catfish?  it may be a gtk3 bug
[12:14] <bluesabre> elfy, yeah, that's a known issue, hopefully we'll be able to get to the bottom of it somehow
[12:15] <brainwash> oh right, it's gtk3 now, let me check
[12:16] <brainwash> bluesabre: yes, happens with catfish too
[12:16] <brainwash> big icon
[12:27] <bluesabre> sweet!
[12:27] <elfy> bluesabre: ok - thought it might be
[12:29] <elfy> is it xset s off which stops screen blanking once you've got xflock patched?
[12:30] <bluesabre> I think
[12:30] <elfy> abiword doesn't have an icon at all in the about dialogue 
[12:31] <elfy> bluesabre: ta
[12:31] <bluesabre> catfish in fedora 20 also has a ginormous icon
[12:31] <elfy> they are bit on the large size :p
[12:32] <bluesabre> I'll see what I can dig up
[12:46] <brainwash> bigger is better, everyone knows that
[12:50] <brainwash> I don't even dislike the bigger size of the icon in the about dialog, only the blurriness is somewhat annoying
[12:58] <bluesabre> its a feature...
[12:58] <bluesabre> (07:54:55 AM) Topic for #gtk+ set by Company at 08:36:45 AM on 10/05/2013
[12:58] <bluesabre> (07:56:56 AM) bluesabre: Greeting, I was wondering if this is a feature or bug of gtk 3.10?  Icon sizes in the GtkAboutDialog have grown significantly.  Seeing this with at least Parole Media Player and Catfish in Ubuntu 14.04 and Fedora 20...  http://imagebin.org/284159
[12:58] <bluesabre> (07:57:22 AM) baedert: feature
[13:01] <bluesabre> ochosi, ready to draw more 128px icons?
[13:35] <bluesabre> elfy, I now have a stable ppa for lightdm-gtk-greeter in case you want to do some light testing before I get it up on the repos
[13:35] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/+archive/stable
[13:36] <bluesabre> Unti193 ^
[13:36] <bluesabre> *Unit193 too
[13:38] <brainwash> bluesabre: does the smooth greeter -> desktop transition work for you? or didn't you test it yet?
[13:39] <bluesabre> brainwash: haven't tested it yet... but don't we still need a fix in xfwm for that?
[13:39] <bluesabre> elfy, relevant changelog here: https://launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+milestone/1.7.0
[13:41] <brainwash> bluesabre: and xfdesktop, don't know what the current status is regarding packaging for trusty
[13:42] <brainwash> but Unit193's Xfce PPA does offer very recent versions of xfdesktop and xfwm4 (build with the root pixmap flag and also including tabwin)
[13:43] <brainwash> and lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.7.0 includes the background fixes
[13:43] <bluesabre> ah
[13:43] <bluesabre> so, theoretically the combination of those two should do it
[13:43] <brainwash> now we just need to get this stuff into the official repo :D
[13:44] <brainwash> or backport the patches.. it's so complicated :(
[13:44] <bluesabre> yeah, it gets to be a pain
[13:46] <brainwash> I seems as if we got lost in a big ocean of PPAs, branches and bug reports
[13:46] <brainwash> and the release of 14.04 LTS is getting closes
[13:46] <brainwash> closer
[13:53] <bluesabre> yeah, hopefully we'll have another person with upload rights soon so we can see fixes pushed to the repos more quickly
[13:54] <brainwash> like you? :)
[13:54] <brainwash> make it happen
[13:58] <elfy> xset s off didn't see to make any difference then
[13:59] <elfy> bluesabre: ok got that PPA here now - though what sort of testing you want people to do would be a help :)
[13:59] <elfy> back later
[14:31] <bluesabre> brainwash: that's the goal ;)
[14:31] <bluesabre> elfy, I'll get you a list today
[17:52] <jBart> hello
[17:53] <jBart> does anyone how buggy xubuntu 14.04 still is?
[17:53] <jBart> *does anyone know
[18:50] <pjotr> knome: hello, there's an important new development for the default double-click interval, which has been discussed in this old bug report:
[18:50] <pjotr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1004400
[18:50] <pjotr> Upstream at Xfce, the double-click interval has been increased to 400 ms:
[18:50] <pjotr> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10562
[18:51] <pjotr> Now it might take a long time before this fix lands downstream at Xubuntu automatically. Perhaps not yet for Xubuntu 14.04. That would be a pity, because it's such an irritating bug. And Xubuntu 14.04 will be LTS, with a very long lifetime....
[18:51] <pjotr> So my request: please apply this improved default setting in Xubuntu 14.04 LTS.....
[18:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, good to know, i guess we have to check the about dialogs now then...
[18:53] <ochosi> will be quite a painful lot of work i'm afraid if we want it all to work just fine
[18:57] <elfy> that's going to be great then - just what we'll want 
[19:03] <ochosi> elfy: well the alternative is to use appicons from another iconset
[19:03] <ochosi> that way i could reduce the workload to practically zero
[19:04] <ochosi> i suggested that a while ago, but nobody seemed thrilled about it
[19:05] <brainwash> ochosi: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/commit/20dc2356c8e17285199498f3f05372610d541c40
[19:05] <elfy> must have been quite a while ago then - I've not noticed/seen that discussion
[19:05] <brainwash> this has also changed the spacing in the gtk greeter, intended?
[19:07] <ochosi> brainwash: not really intended, but also not really a problem, is it?
[19:07] <ochosi> elfy: it was probably not wordy enough, i didn't want to make it a vote or something
[19:07] <brainwash> no, it's fine I guess
[19:07] <elfy> ochosi: aah
[19:08] <ochosi> basically i suggested using something like faenza or even something newer like pacifica for appicons
[19:08] <elfy> ochosi: I guess what we really need to do with the first meeting is recap on where we are with everything and how likely it's going to be to get things done in time
[19:08] <ochosi> faenza is probably the most complete in terms of icons and sizes
[19:08] <ochosi> yeah, i agree
[19:08] <elfy> because the middle of april is not very far 
[19:09] <ochosi> things have to start to move soonish
[19:09] <ochosi> i won't be back before jan 3rd or 4th though
[19:09] <ochosi> before that only sporadically
[19:09] <brainwash> ochosi: but I notice the increased padding every time I see the greeter, maybe I'll get used to it eventually :)
[19:09] <ochosi> and i'd presume it's the same with everyone more or less
[19:09] <ochosi> brainwash: hehe, ok. well if you remind me after jan 4th i'll take a closer look ;)
[19:09] <elfy> yea - I'm worried we'll get the same thing with april as we did with the sound ind in saucy we all knew, but it didn't get done in time
[19:11] <ochosi> +1
[19:11] <elfy> ochosi: next meeting was set for the 2nd - maybe we should find out when people are back and then move it to then
[19:12] <ochosi> yeah, but i guess many are even away now
[19:12] <elfy> reall meeting with as many about as possible needs to happen really
[19:12] <elfy> yea
[19:12] <ochosi> we also need a good agenda
[19:12] <elfy> yep
[19:12] <ochosi> not everything has to happen during the meeting, but i think we need to find a way to really assign certain issues to ppl
[19:12] <ochosi> who will follow them up
[19:13] <elfy> indeed 
[19:13] <ochosi> e.g. Noskcaj said he'll put up the latest panel version in a PPA
[19:13] <elfy> the biggest issue we've got is getting things into repos properly - bit of a roadblock that
[19:13] <ochosi> so after we test that, i suppose we try to get that into the sponsor's queue
[19:13] <ochosi> yeah, i know
[19:13] <elfy> ochosi: wouldn't it be easier to update the existing one?
[19:14] <ochosi> yeah, but someone has to upload it
[19:14] <elfy> mmm
[19:14] <Noskcaj> ochosi, I've got garcon updated, i'll get panel sometime today if my shoulder stops hurting
[19:14] <ochosi> the sponsor's queue can help with that
[19:14] <elfy> right
[19:14] <ochosi> Noskcaj: great! thanks for that!
[19:14] <elfy> hi Noskcaj 
[19:14] <Noskcaj> hey elfy 
[19:15] <brainwash> give bluesabre the upload superpower!
[19:15] <ochosi> another thing that would help is if Noskcaj gets approved so he can upload stuff directly
[19:15] <Noskcaj> I'll try and get libxfce4ui into the ubuntu repo after than so it doesn't block all the other 4.11 stuff
[19:15] <Noskcaj> :)
[19:15] <ochosi> yeah, we need both Noskcaj and bluesabre ideally
[19:15] <elfy> yep
[19:15] <brainwash> oh, Noskcaj not yet able to upload? o.o
[19:15] <ochosi> Noskcaj: indeed, that'll be very nice to have that there
[19:16] <Noskcaj> Go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj#Xubuntu_PackageSet to help
[19:16] <Noskcaj> brainwash, I have no power so far, although i should get MOTU and xubuntu packageset soon, if i'm allowed to apply by email, in two months time if not
[19:17] <Noskcaj> And DM sometime in the next few months
[19:19] <ochosi> anyway, i gotta go, will be back sometime
[19:20] <ochosi> elfy: if you're around the next few days and wanna reschedule the meeitng to something post jan4th or 3rd, you have my +1
[19:20] <ochosi> seey'all
[19:20] <Noskcaj> FYI, i probably can't make the meeting if it's the 4th
[19:21] <elfy> ochosi: ok - might be good to try and do something to set it up via mailing list 
[19:22] <elfy> knome: ^^ from about 15 minutes ago re meeting
[19:23] <elfy> Noskcaj: you're on my todo list - I have to ration how long to sit here for at the moment 
[19:23] <elfy> back tomorrow at some point now though
[19:23] <Noskcaj> :)
[20:02] <lderan> oh Noskcaj, i had a bit of a go getting that test working, i haven't had much luck with it so far sadly. I am able to get the GTKWindows from the proxy object but it doesn't seem to be returning anything useful yet
[20:03] <Noskcaj> lderan, All i've got is gthumb opening and testing if it's title is correct, plus a few process manager tests for other apps
[20:05] <lderan> aye
[20:51] <bluesabre> ochosi: or just quickly scale the 64px up to 128px
[21:02] <brainwash> bluesabre: just wondering, can't svg files be used directly for things like the about dialog?
[21:16] <brainwash> does anyone use light-locker and allows it auto lock the session on suspend/hibernate?
[21:17] <brainwash> if someone does, take a look at bug 1264563 please
[21:44] <sergio-br2> brainwash, i can confirm this issue here too, for suspend
[21:46] <brainwash> sergio-br2: thanks for verifying it
[21:52] <sergio-br2> blueman will not be the default bluetooth settings manager in xubuntu trusty?
[21:52] <brainwash> it won't be?
[21:52] <sergio-br2> The "Bluetooth Settings..." menu in the indicator goes to gnome bluetooth manager
[21:53] <sergio-br2> *new gtk3 indicator
[21:54] <brainwash> right, it's the unity indicator
[21:55] <brainwash> as of now we don't know yet, which indicators will be used in 14.04
[21:55] <sergio-br2> yeah, and it has the same problems, like the bluetooth icon vanish when you turn off bluetooth
[21:55] <brainwash> some gtk3 indicators are designed to only work with the unity/gnome settings manager
[21:56] <brainwash> and some behave strangely
[21:57] <brainwash> but feel free to gather all the glitches and errors you encounter and report them eventually
[21:57] <sergio-br2> so, many plugins will be not in "Add New Items" ?
[21:57] <bluesabre> brainwash: yeah, but we use png in our theme for the noticable speed difference
[21:57] <bluesabre> brb
[21:58] <brainwash> sergio-br2: plugins or gtk3 indicators?
[21:59] <sergio-br2> currently, it's possible to add the old and the new plugins.
[22:00] <brainwash> gtk3 indicators are displayed in the indicator panel area
[22:00] <sergio-br2> These new gtk3 indicators is a little strange, they are only one indicator. The olds, they are many in the "Add new items" window, in panel
[22:00] <brainwash> right, it's a different concept
[22:01] <brainwash> however, you can add several indicator panel items to the panel and configure which indicators should be displayed in each one
[22:02] <brainwash> it is somewhat strange, yes
[22:02] <brainwash> so you can use the "old" panel items or the "new" indicators, or even both
[22:03] <sergio-br2> yeah, but it is a bit confused for end-user
[22:04] <sergio-br2> probably, in the release, will have only gtk3 indicators in the panel options?
[22:05] <brainwash> we don't know yet
[22:05] <brainwash> the current panel items do work, the equivalent gtk3 indicators mostly cause some problems
[22:06] <brainwash> indicator- power, session, date/time, bluetooth
[22:07] <sergio-br2> other question is why "keyboard" indicator is not hidden by default. The expected behavior is: it only appears if you have 2 keyboards in config, like pt-br and french
[22:08] <sergio-br2> and there is no icon for it. I think i send this in mailing list
[22:08] <brainwash> it's visible in unity too, by default
[22:09] <sergio-br2> yeah, i already see this, but it is strange. And if you use only 1 keyboard, then it it just takes up unnecessary space
[22:09] <brainwash> you can hide is manually
[22:09] <sergio-br2> yes, i can do
[22:09] <brainwash> via dconf of via indicator panel item settings dialog
[22:10] <sergio-br2> but it's not more friendly it is hidden by default?
[22:10] <brainwash> but this is a general ubuntu issue I think
[22:10] <sergio-br2> like the old gnome panel
[22:10] <brainwash> well, go ahead and file a bug report :)
[22:11] <sergio-br2> there is, i think... or not?
[22:11] <sergio-br2> i will see that
[22:11] <brainwash> for this particular issue? don't know
[22:11] <brainwash> as of now it does not really affect Xubuntu
[22:12] <brainwash> the daily iso still ships with the old panel
[22:12] <sergio-br2> yeah, it's true
[22:27] <brainwash> sergio-br2: this new (cli only) project might interest you -> https://github.com/ali1234/panel-switch
[22:28] <Noskcaj> What do you guys think i need to do to fix http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653916/ ?
[22:28] <brainwash> sergio-br2: a tool so laod/save panel configurations, maybe it will be included in 14.04
[22:29] <sergio-br2> humm, you save a config in one desktop, and can use in other desktop, is it?
[22:30] <brainwash> yes
[22:30] <brainwash> well, I did not test it yet
[22:31] <sergio-br2> interesting
[22:31] <brainwash> might be handy to share panel configurations or simply to switch between different panel setups
[22:32] <sergio-br2> i do many changes in xfce4 panel
[22:32] <sergio-br2> has it support to whisker menu?
[22:34] <brainwash> is whisker menu somehow special?
[22:36] <brainwash> I assume that the configuration gets saved in .config/xfce4/ too
[22:38] <brainwash> make a backup and try the tool, I'll test it tomorrow, so I cannot tell you right now if it works
[22:53] <sergio-br2> ok
[22:57] <brainwash> Noskcaj: http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-April/028076.html
[23:21] <gottcode> sergio-br2: whisker menu stores its configuration in .config/xfce4/ like everything else so it should work fine with panel-switch
[23:27] <ali12341> it does?
[23:28] <ali12341> panel-switch only backs up the panel channel
[23:28] <gottcode> under the panel folder, yes
[23:28] <gottcode> I should have been more specific :)
[23:28] <ali12341> yeah it doesn't back that up
[23:29] <ali12341> it backs up .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml line by line. anything else has to be specially handled by parsing the config
[23:30] <gottcode> interesting
[23:30] <ali12341> currently it handles launchers only
[23:31] <ali12341> ideally you'd store all the stuff from those .rc files in xfconf
[23:32] <gottcode> I am planning on converting to xfconf at some point
[23:32] <ali12341> it should be quite easy
[23:33] <gottcode> the tricky part is monitoring xfconf for changes as I don't use a GObject
[23:34] <ali12341> xfconf has a wrapper library
[23:35] <ali12341> it probably uses GObject inside
[23:36] <ali12341> you can also use it over dbus using some other implementation
[23:38] <gottcode> that is quite convenient
[23:42] <andrzejr> gottcode, it's fairly easy to use for simple settings, if you need something a bit more complex (lists) look at the indicator plugin.
[23:43] <gottcode> thanks, will do
[23:47] <ali12341> you do have to use some glib stuff... it uses glib types for everything, that's pretty much the only tricky part
[23:50] <gottcode> that shouldn't be too hard to work with
[23:51] <gottcode> bbl