[00:30] <g_grower> what is good distro for a new gateway laptop?
[00:31] <ObrienDave> g_grower, that depends on your preferences. try a few ;)
[00:31] <g_grower> tried a couple, none worked.. :(
[00:32] <ObrienDave> define "none worked"
[00:32] <g_grower> think it is something to do with uefi
[00:32] <ObrienDave> ahhh, sec....
[00:33] <ObrienDave> Win8?
[00:34] <g_grower> currently
[00:34] <g_grower> got it for xmas.
[00:34] <Unit193> Ubuntu flavors support UEFI.
[00:34] <Unit193> !uefi
[00:34] <g_grower> i have xubuntu and ubuntu 13.10
[00:35] <g_grower> dont complete bootup process to get to installation process..
[00:36] <g_grower> and studio dvd
[00:36] <ObrienDave> yes, you need to change a setting for it to work. I have no clue about UEFI
[02:57] <Cajunfiend> what is a good filemanager other than the one that comes with xfce desktop
[02:59] <Unit193> Other than thunar?  I like pcmanfm. :P
[02:59] <Cajunfiend> wow i tried to uninstall thunar and it wanted me to uninstall xubuntu-desktop too :o
[03:00] <Unit193> Of course, xubuntu-desktop is the meta that pulls it in.
[03:21] <SonikkuAmerica> Cajunfiend: Not that you had to worry too much; xubuntu-desktop, like Unit193 said, is just a meta; you can un- and install it at whim without any huge system corruption or anything
[05:35] <Wayward_Vagabond> So, my sound has stopped working, and I have no idea how to go about fixing it.
[05:36] <Wayward_Vagabond> Panel's mixer only shows dummy outputs.
[05:36] <Wayward_Vagabond> amixer and alsamixer both throw errors-
[05:37] <Wayward_Vagabond> amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
[05:37] <Wayward_Vagabond> cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[05:39] <uBUXUBu> no idea if this works for u but just saw someone recommend this to a guy who has sound issues:PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture for alsa info.
[05:39] <Wayward_Vagabond> aplay -l returns this:
[05:39] <Wayward_Vagabond> aplay: device_list:252: no soundcards found...
[05:40] <Wayward_Vagabond> I have pulseaudio and alsa setup, and I've not the slightest clue what broke.
[05:40] <uBUXUBu> i suppose its possible that a hardware failure has occured...
[05:43] <Wayward_Vagabond> Built in sound on a laptop motherboard
[05:45] <uBUXUBu> u prolly already tried sudo also force-reload right?
[05:45] <uBUXUBu> alsa i meant
[05:46] <uBUXUBu> im reading this now: http://itsfoss.com/fix-sound-ubuntu-1304-quick-tip/
[05:46] <uBUXUBu> but u prolly already saw it
[05:46] <Wayward_Vagabond> I did jut now, no effect
[05:47] <uBUXUBu> did u scroll down lower on page and see the 2nd fix?
[05:50] <uBUXUBu> wonder if it would work in ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[05:50] <uBUXUBu> ...long shot i know
[05:50] <Wayward_Vagabond> I'm on quantal, actually
[05:50] <uBUXUBu> hmmm
[05:51] <Wayward_Vagabond> I didn't touch any settings the last uptime sound worked in
[05:52] <uBUXUBu> guess im just chicken but too me i gotta be in 1204 lts
[05:53] <uBUXUBu> ive had issue that made me pull hair outta my head when i too kthose upgrades
[05:54] <uBUXUBu> makes no sence cuz those drvers should be same but once bitten i learn fast
[06:41] <peyam> anybody here?
[16:57] <ZatsuneNoMokou> Hi
[16:57] <ObrienDave> greetings
[16:58] <ZatsuneNoMokou> I have just one question, will Xubuntu support Wayland or Mir? because other distros like gnome said they will only support mir, if I'm right
[16:59] <ObrienDave> i've heard Mir. don't quote me.
[17:00] <ZatsuneNoMokou> you're not sure? I see
[17:00] <ObrienDave> nope. not sure
[17:01] <ZatsuneNoMokou> That mess that Canonical made by deciding to make their own. I understand the independance problem, but still... a mess
[17:02] <Sysi> after porting xfce to gtk3, there should be wayland support
[17:03] <ZatsuneNoMokou> but noone here knows?
[17:03] <Sysi> gimme couple more minutes to look into mir..
[17:03] <ZatsuneNoMokou> they didn't post a decision or what?
[17:04] <Sysi> as long as xfce supports xorg it's possible to use xmir
[17:04] <ObrienDave> most of us here are not official Xubuntu staff. knome, elfy, and Unit193 would know more. afaik
[17:04] <Sysi> so basically both should work in future
[17:07] <elfy> only decision we have made this cycle is that we'll not be looking at either for the upcoming LTS release
[17:08] <Sysi> elfy: btw. is there even a possibility for gtk3 panel for 14.04?
[17:08] <elfy> Sysi: yep - getting closer - and it's on the roadmap
[17:09] <ZatsuneNoMokou> so, no decision yet about what will be supported?
[17:09] <elfy> Sysi: you can look at that with a ppa of you want - in fact you can do so for both 13.10 and 14.04
[17:09] <elfy> ZatsuneNoMokou: supported for which release?
[17:09] <Sysi> elfy: not that I'd really need it for anything, but nice
[17:09] <ZatsuneNoMokou> No release in particular, just to know if Xubuntu will support Mir or Wayland, in the future
[17:10] <elfy> ZatsuneNoMokou: no decision's have been made
[17:11] <ZatsuneNoMokou> Okay
[17:11] <elfy> the best place to see if that turns up will be when we start talking about the 14.10 cycle after LTS releases
[17:11] <elfy> it'll be in a community meeting - as always
[17:11] <ZatsuneNoMokou> okay
[17:55] <benedikt> after upgrading to 13.10, lightdm won't log in any more. The login prompt vanishes but the desktop and xfce4 are never loaded
[17:55] <benedikt> i've tried apt-get install --reinstall xubuntu-desktop and apt-get install xfce4
[17:55] <benedikt> and creating a new xorg file
[17:55] <benedikt> xmonad works fine however
[18:06] <jBart> hello
[18:07] <jBart> does anyone know how buggy xubuntu 14.04 still is?
[18:07] <bekks> jBart: It is still not released.
[18:07] <jBart> yea
[18:08] <jBart> but there are nightlis
[18:09] <jBart> 13.10 has broken a lot for me, and i thought 14.04 maybe is less broken...
[18:10] <Sysi> something missing from 12.04?
[18:10] <bekks> Yeah, then wait until April and/or stick 12.04 until then.
[18:10] <jBart> i cant stick with 12.04
[18:10] <jBart> i need clang 3.2
[18:11] <elfy> what's broken a lot in 13.10 for you then?
[18:11] <jBart> sound indicator, wireless
[18:12] <Sysi> http://askubuntu.com/questions/261636/how-do-i-backport-install-a-newer-version-of-clang
[18:12] <bekks> According to the LLVM homepage, there are 12.04 binaries of latest clang.
[18:14] <jBart> hmm
[18:17] <Sysi> the sound indicator is quite easy to fix, can't say about the wireless without more information
[18:19] <jBart> the soundindicator would be easy, but it upsets me that it got into the release...
[18:22] <elfy> maybe we should have not released 13.10 then - unfortunately given the amount of people we have available to do things - it's easy for  people to complain
[18:22] <elfy> maybe you could volunteer time to help with the coding
[18:22] <jBart> i think i will try 14.04. i have to reinstall my system anyways since there is also surely some upgrade fuckup going on
[18:23] <jBart> maybe if i have to procrastinate
[18:26] <ObrienDave> *whistles*
[20:27] <Nick7887> hello! anyone knows if xfce comes with a service manager?! i dont mean startup applications manager! i mean a service manager so i can control if apache2 and mysqlserver services will running by default or not at the boot time!
[20:36] <TheSheep> !bum
[20:36] <TheSheep> Nick7887: see that last link
[20:38] <Nick7887> thank you so much! i would prefer bum as i am newbiew but since its written at GTK +2 it wont give more "unessesary" packages to a gnome 3 installation?
[20:38] <TheSheep> no
[20:38] <TheSheep> lots of xubuntu default apps are already gtk2
[20:39] <TheSheep> also, those packages are not "unnecessary" if you need them for bum to work :)
[20:39] <Nick7887> aha ! ok thank you so much :)
[20:49] <xubuntu356> mouse
[20:49] <xubuntu356> i am a mouse
[22:00] <xubuntu430> hello I cannot open the xubuntu i386 desktop torrent file in uTorrent (the program freezes and hangs on while trying to start the torrent) and the http download from the Portugal mirror was corrupted MD5 doesn't match tjhis happens for more than a week now
[22:01] <xubuntu430> so seems impossible for me to get a clean copy of Xubuntu... what's happening?
[22:04] <xubuntu430> anybody? well i hope that someone sees the log of this message since it's weird uTorrent not being able to open the torrent and all HTTP downloads come out corrupted thanks anyway thought you would like to know about this
[22:05] <xubuntu430> i'll try another http mirror for one last time after that i'll just install Voyager 13.10 since the hash checks out fine...
[22:56] <xubuntu325> Hello good sirs. Can anyone recommend a good, free antivirus for Xubuntu so that I can scan downloads and drives to use on my Windows machine?
[22:56] <ObrienDave> that does not exist afaik
[22:56] <bekks> xubuntu325: clamav
[22:56] <bazhang> clamav
[22:57] <ObrienDave> for scanning windows files and drives?
[22:57] <xubuntu325> Is it viable to torrent download things to my Xubuntu comp that with clamav make sure they're clean, then?
[23:00] <ObrienDave> my apologies. Immunet 3.0, powered by ClamAV is a fast, fully featured Windows desktop Anti-Virus (AV) solution that utilizes the power of advanced cloud based detection techniques and the strength of the time tested ClamAV engine. This unique combination of technologies allows for a highly effective approach to today’s fast moving malware threats.
[23:01] <ObrienDave> http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/about/win32/
[23:05] <David-A> xubuntu325: in some torrent clients you can specify a command to be run when a download is complete. that way you can run clamav on them automagically. but remember you cannot be 100% sure that any antivirus program will detect every virus.