=== aubade is now known as LjL === ThomasB is now known as MrBubbles === MrBubbles is now known as ThomasB [05:48] welcome :p [05:48] that ubuntu-gnome is something else then ubuntu+ untiy? [05:49] howdy [05:49] ive seen that omgubuntu page with ubuntu-gnome ubuntu-kde etc [05:50] will that be the new standards, or will there be a plain ubuntu with unity? [05:52] right i found it: regular ubuntu not released yet [05:52] where is the omgubuntu page? [05:52] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/12/ubuntu-14-04-alpha-1-released [05:52] is it just www.omgubuntu.com [05:52] ? [05:52] Now, before anyone gets too excited, regular Ubuntu isn’t part of this milestone (it only takes part in the beta, due March 27th) [05:53] ill stick to 12.04 for now then :p [06:04] oh hai tahr [06:04] lol [06:04] lol [06:05] http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-GNOME-14-04-LTS-Alpha-1-Trusty-Tahr-Officially-Released-Screenshot-Tour-411062.shtml [06:05] screenshots lookin nicely [06:05] going there now [06:06] yeah, nice screenies [06:07] can you tinypic yours? [06:08] you mean a screenshot of my desktop? [06:08] yeah im always curious :p [06:08] i haven't had good luck with the ubuntu/unity desktop. it seems to lock up after a while. i'm in kde [06:08] and i should say more [06:09] :p [06:10] WhatIsTheMatrix: this is my 12.04 64bit with samsung 120gig ssd: http://oi42.tinypic.com/2ez605h.jpg [06:11] this guy HeathHayle talked me into using a script to install a fairly encompassing theme for the unbuntu/unity desktop that was made of older version of ubuntu. it was made for 13.04, called Macbuntu [06:11] nice [06:11] i always loved ubuntu eyecandy [06:11] it seemed to install okay [06:12] i would need to leave kde and go into the ubuntu desktop. need some time to get the pic and post it [06:12] you can screen your kde aswell [06:13] yeah. sure. give me a few minutes plz [06:13] ok [06:18] will i need to make an account on tinypic? [06:18] no just upload [06:19] ok [06:20] i have a screenshot from a the ubuntu desktop from a while back that i'll upload, but i should take a new one with the Macbuntu theme to upload [06:20] i love them all [06:20] cool [06:20] http://www.deviantart.com/?q=ubuntu&offset=72 [06:23] http://tinypic.com/r/tyvlw/5 [06:24] nice one mate [06:24] those deviant art ones are really nice. i haven't set up any WM's to look real pretty for screenshots [06:25] well, the Macbuntu theme is actually pretty sweet looking imo [06:25] oldskool can be nice aswell [06:26] minimal and default is also a form of eyecandy [06:26] ok, let me go into Ubuntu/Unity and try and get a screenshot of the Macbuntu themed desktop [06:26] cool [06:27] it might lock on me after a bit and cause me to need to reboot, but i'll give it a whirl [06:40] hello there lotuspsychje [06:40] wb [06:41] thx [06:41] ok, just took the screenie. i think you'll like it. hang on... [06:42] tnx [06:44] http://tinypic.com/r/2mi0ot4/5 [06:44] http://tinypic.com/r/2wqee51/5 [06:45] oh sweet! [06:45] :-) [06:45] lol untiy and mac os x dock [06:45] strange to see them both lol [06:45] lol [06:46] no doubt [06:46] it's docky of course [06:46] always loved mac themes [06:46] and mac wallpapers [06:46] i'm not really familiar at all with macs [06:46] but be back later mate [06:47] this is probably the most exposure i have to mac [06:47] brb [06:47] okay, cool. late here [06:57] #part be back in a bit [06:57] oops [07:26] howdy lotuspsychje [07:27] WhatIsTheMatrix: hey im back [07:27] just got back myself [07:27] i left and fully updated, rebooted, and just got back too [07:27] nice [07:28] ive read 14.04 will support TRIM by default [07:28] good for my ssd :p [07:28] i updated recently and hadn't hung out in the ubuntu desktop. but it seemed more stable so far. it didn't lock up on me. but firefox did. i had to force quit it. don't have that problem in kde [07:28] cool. what is TRIM? [07:29] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trim_%28computing%29 [07:30] also on the ubuntu desktop, the wallpaper doesn't take my change. it shows in appearance as the wallpaper i selected, and it also shows the wallpaper i select in the gnome-tweak-tool. but... [07:30] did you try starting firefox from terminal, maybe an error shows up [07:30] my wallpaper stays the same as from from login display manager [07:31] i might try hsetroot to set the wallpaper and see what happens [07:31] WhatIsTheMatrix: im using ubuntu-tweak for the login background [07:31] lotuspsychje: sure you don't mean unity-tweak-tool? [07:31] no [07:31] ubuntu-tweak [07:31] lemme get you url [07:31] roger... i know of it [07:32] nvm the url [07:32] i have to remeber you using 12.04 [07:32] some find it a dangerous app [07:32] never had an issue with it [07:32] and you need to remember i'm using 14.04 :-) [07:32] i serously doubt they have a 14.04 version ;-) [07:32] seriously* [07:33] well the .deb is all version, maybe it will just work on trusty [07:33] you could be the first to findout :p [07:33] ubuntu-tweak doesn't usually get released for for a new version of ubuntu, until after it's been out for a while [07:34] i'm not even going to touch it, until he releases a 14.04 version [07:34] lolz [07:34] hehe [07:35] im addicted at my fav apps [07:35] im also waiting a stable touch for tablets [07:35] even then, as you said, some find it dangerous [07:35] you have a tablet? [07:35] not yet, i was thrilled to by a nexus7 [07:36] but it seems not very stable yet [07:36] i've only ever had desktop pc's myself [07:36] well stable perhaps, but alot of work still [07:37] im on a netbook and got desktop [07:37] both with ssd [07:37] how much have you used it? you like it/thrilled with it even though it's a lot of work? [07:38] no i did not buy it yet [07:38] cause its not perfect yet [07:38] i hear next year will release an ubuntu phone [07:38] ahh, rgr [07:39] !touch [07:39] Information about the Ubuntu Touch platform for Phone and Tablet is available here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch support and discussion in #ubuntu-touch [07:39] im also planning to install trusty on every machine for users [07:39] 5 years support sounds sweet [07:40] wow [07:40] i didn't know 5 years support [07:40] its lts right [07:40] really? [07:40] !lts [07:40] LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server; with the exception of 12.04 (Precise Pangolin), which will be supported for 5 years on the desktop. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Precise (Precise Pangolin 12.04) [07:41] ahh, i see. nice [07:41] thats why i fell back to 12.04 [07:41] rgr [07:41] to have a smooth upgrade to lts trusty [07:42] i was on 13.04 also rocksolid [07:42] a lot of the time i'm running the bleeding edge [07:42] but supports ends soon [07:42] but i'm pretty much planning on using trusty for a long time [07:42] me2 [07:42] would love to help test [07:42] but not the gnome version [07:42] the unity one [07:43] ill be patient till march :p [07:43] rgr [07:44] you ever compile stuff from source? [07:44] no, i rather search pro packages and use them [07:44] rgr [07:45] and tweak myself a bit [07:45] you know colortail? [07:45] no. i think i've seen the name before though [07:45] i use it to colorize syslog in realtime [07:46] nice to see stuff in terminal [07:46] !info colortail [07:46] colortail (source: colortail): log colorizer that makes log checking easier. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.3.3-1 (trusty), package size 24 kB, installed size 144 kB [07:46] !colorgcc [07:46] colortail -f /var/log/syslog [07:46] oops [07:46] !info colorgcc [07:46] colorgcc (source: colorgcc): Colorizer for GCC warning/error messages. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.3.2.0-10 (trusty), package size 11 kB, installed size 92 kB [07:46] oh nice [07:46] didnt know that1 [07:47] lemme try that [07:47] you have to compile stuff to use it though, of course [07:47] the kde logviewer colorizes too [07:48] oh really? [07:48] whats packagename plz? [07:48] yeah... hang on [07:48] i just love syntax highlighting [07:49] !info ksystemlog [07:49] ksystemlog (source: ksystemlog): system log viewer. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.12.0-0ubuntu1 (trusty), package size 380 kB, installed size 954 kB [07:49] tnx [07:50] sure [07:50] * Colorize log lines depending on their severities [07:50] hmm lol it wants to install kde aswell [07:50] lol [07:51] i like a lot of the window managers and de's [07:51] you tested e17? [07:51] enlightment [07:52] it's something that i compiled recently. it's was rough. the end result... [07:52] !info e17 [07:52] e17 (source: e17): Enlightenment DR17 Window Manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.17.3-2 (trusty), package size 2400 kB, installed size 6387 kB [07:52] nice and oldskool [07:52] not stable... then they just come out with a new version just the other day. so... [07:52] i tried compiling the newer EFL, and it had libtool problems. i said the heck with this [07:53] :p [07:53] 0.17.5 has been out for a while... then just the other day they released 0.18.1 [07:53] with newer EFL and Elementary [07:54] nice [07:54] EFL is the first thing to compile.. and i had problems. and with how much trouble i had alrady trying to get 0.17.5 all compiled and installed correctly, i gave up [07:54] ic [07:58] even though i did eventually get the previous version of EFL, Elementary, and the Elightenment WM to compile and install, it wasn't stable on here. but that might have been because [07:59] of what i was compiling it and running it on... a testing OS [07:59] cool [07:59] like i said, the ubuntu desktop wasn't stable enough for me, until just recently [08:00] it seems okay now though [08:00] i loved 13.04, rocksolid for my machines [08:00] rgr [08:00] so why did you go back to 12.04 then? [08:01] 13.04 support ends soon [08:01] and 14.04 isnt out yet [08:01] so [08:01] ahh, rgr. [08:01] 13.10 too much screen problems [08:01] so ill switch to lts now [08:01] and smooth upgrade to trusty [08:02] I don't understand why dev time was cut back to nine months rather than a year [08:02] A year allows people to feel around a new release and see whether they want to skip it or not [08:02] *support [08:02] i dont understand neither [08:02] me either [08:03] 13.04 was the most solid one in years... and support ends [08:03] well maybe 14.04 will be even solid.. [08:04] WhatIsTheMatrix: whats your first impression of speed/stability? [08:06] ThomasB: http://askubuntu.com/questions/289814/why-is-the-life-of-ubuntu-13-04-so-short [08:07] i don't know that i'm one that speak much to that, at least as far as speed goes. i haven't tried to put it through any paces [08:07] okay [08:07] someone would have to suggest some benchmarking tests for me to run [08:07] but [08:08] !benchmark [08:08] Packages for bechmarking your system include bonnie++ (for drives), glmark2 (for 3D graphics), netperf (for networking), mbw (for memory) - For more, issue the !terminal command « apt-cache search benchmark » - See also !testing [08:08] it it does seem pretty nice. it's seems stable. it does seem plenty responsive from what i can tell [08:08] nice [08:09] i recently tested my new ssd on the default disk managing tool from ubuntu [08:09] read speed: 270mb/sec lol [08:09] only problem I have is that I have to use the saucy kernel... currentl 3.12 just makes system freeze [08:09] i think when i first installed about 6 or 7 weeks ago i had the kernel lock up a couple/few times [08:09] ah [08:10] but not long thereafter, after some updates, it was all good [08:10] it happens as soon as it wants to login from lightdm into kde.... [08:10] total system freeze [08:10] hyper_ch: you on the ubuntuKDE version? [08:10] i haven't had the kernel lock up on me since [08:10] doesn't everyone use kubuntu? [08:10] no [08:10] lol [08:10] WhatIsTheMatrix: is on ubuntu-gnome [08:10] my guess is that it's related to the Optimus settings [08:12] looks like i installed Oct 18 [08:13] that sounds like the day alpha 1 was relased? [08:13] hyper_ch: why aren't you using kdm? i use it. it is my favorite display manager [08:13] kubuntu has use lightdm for some time now [08:14] and it's "light" :) [08:14] rgr [08:14] i read the omgubuntu website this evening thanks to lotuspsychje, and it says that Alpha 1 was released on like Dec. 19 [08:15] so i guess it's only recently been considered alpha 1 [08:18] hyper_ch: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/12/ubuntu-14-04-alpha-1-released [08:21] and for trim: [08:22] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/12/trim-ssd-support-enabled-ubuntu-14-04 [08:22] lookin nice [08:23] so, be able to install ubuntu onto a ssd drive and have good performance then? [08:23] takes me longer to type in my luks password than booting up kde :) [08:23] its good performance already, but on other version you need manual tweaks [08:24] on ssd [08:24] lol [08:24] hyper_ch: what brand are you on? [08:24] rgr, nice indeed [08:24] 840pro 512gb [08:24] i bought me samsung 840 evo 120gig [08:24] :p [08:24] 99 euro [08:24] I need the space and went for pro because of MLC [08:25] i hear you [08:25] but it's 5x the price :( [08:25] yes their expensive [08:25] 500+ right? [08:26] I paid somethign around 500 [08:26] probably 499 or soemthing [08:26] tought so [08:29] samsung ssd rocks! [08:29] hyper_ch: did you firmware upgraded? [08:29] when I bought it I did upgrade it [08:29] but that's been a while meanwhile [08:31] i never firmwared it [08:31] it cant be done from ubuntu right? [08:31] not sure [08:31] kk [09:02] lotuspsychje: still here? [09:03] yes sir [09:03] sorry im tweaking ssd a bit [09:03] did you do aswell? [09:03] you can update using their ISO and unetbootin [09:03] hyper_ch: wont that harm the installed ubuntu? [09:03] just tested it, works fine [09:03] improvements? [09:04] no idea :) [09:04] lolz [09:04] did you tweak your fstab? [09:04] already had that before [09:04] /dev/mapper/sda2_crypt / ext4 noatime,nodiratime,discard,data=ordered,errors=remount-ro 0 1 [09:04] # /boot was on /dev/sda1 during installation [09:04] UUID=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx /boot ext4 noatime,nodiratime,discard,data=ordered 0 2 [09:05] and [09:05] sudo apt-get install sysfsutils [09:05] echo "block/sda/queue/scheduler = noop" | sudo tee -a "/etc/sysfs.conf" [09:05] what does data=ordered do? [09:05] (from my install notes) [09:05] no idea, read that somewhere :) [09:05] cool [09:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MagicFab/SSDchecklist [09:06] Add the data=writeback mounting option if you formatted the disk without journaling. Otherwise add data=ordered which sould be a good compromise between full journaling and none at all. See Ext4 Filesystem documentation for more details. [09:07] nice tnx for the link [09:07] you didnt run inti GUI ssd tweak tools? [09:07] into [09:07] nah [09:07] ok [09:08] since I have 16gb ram [09:08] I also mount /tmp as tmpfs [09:08] and a few other things also [09:08] got that tmp trick in fstab too [09:08] let me add your values too [09:09] tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0 [09:09] tmpfs /var/log tmpfs defaults 0 0 [09:09] tmpfs /var/tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0 [09:09] and since I don't like flash cookies and stuff [09:10] I ln -s /tmp ~/.adobe/Flash_Player [09:10] and ln -s /tmp ~/.macromedia [09:10] also I use chromium and set those flags in /etc/chromium-browser/default: CHROMIUM_FLAGS="--disk-cache-dir=/tmp/cache/chromium --disk-cache-size=102400000 --memory-model=low" [09:11] heres mine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6655947/ [09:11] if you use apache, it has a problem with /var/log being tmpfs.... [09:14] I think I need to disable the /var/log tmpfs issue when trying to get kernel 3.12 to run [09:15] im on 12.04 [09:15] otherwise I don't have a log :) [09:15] and no apache [09:15] and disabled 'quiet splash' from grub [09:16] http://paste.debian.net/72963/ :) [09:16] I add this part to grub2 [09:16] so it auto-boots last used kernel [09:16] and gives a 5s timeout [09:16] nice [09:17] i found quiet splash: off speeds up even more [09:17] :) [09:18] brb need a reboot after grafix driver switch [09:18] going to troubleshoot now my kernel 3.12 problems [09:18] okay [09:18] gl [09:18] thx [09:30] lotuspsychje: still putting stuff onto usb :) [09:30] im switching drivers [09:31] why not upgrading the system? ;) [09:31] seems like my ati drivers lag my login to desktop [09:32] so they sugested loading radeon driver [09:33] I prefer intel/nvidia [09:33] ati cam with the netbook :p [09:33] that's why I look in my notebooks to have at least intel available [09:33] least trouble [09:34] brb reboot [09:47] 14.04 has been awesome so far [09:47] X has crashed a few times though :p [09:49] so, intersting... the gui completely freezes upon logging in with lightdm... ctrl-alt-f2 doesn't open up a terminal either... however I can ssh in from a different machine [09:56] hyper_ch: you got a link to that firmware plz? [09:56] http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/samsungssd/downloads.html [09:56] tnx alot! [09:56] the iso work fine with unetbootin [09:57] on usb? [09:57] so that would be the evo 840 iso for me [09:57] do you take the windows or mac version [09:58] lotuspsychje: well, you can burn a cd or use unetbooting to put it onto a bootable usb stick :) [09:58] paulus68_1: ? [09:58] the iso is just firmware upgrade.... nothing else [09:59] ok [09:59] so windows users [09:59] because its a windows based computer right not a mac [10:01] ok [10:01] ? [10:02] yes [10:02] paulus68_1: got himself also an ssd [10:02] and since we know eachother we are helping eachother out to improve the ssd performance to our ubuntu system [10:07] ah [10:07] ssds are great [10:07] if they only weren't as price [10:07] pricey [10:09] true [10:09] so, submitted bug report :) [10:10] brb lemme go try that firmware [10:15] firmware mismatch lol [10:15] failed [10:15] did you not download the right iso? [10:16] 840 evo [10:16] that would be http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/samsungssd/downloads/Samsung_SSD_840_EVO_EXT0BB6Q.iso [10:17] yes i did [10:17] you sure you have an evo? [10:17] lemme find my book lol [10:17] for 99 for a 120 it could be pro [10:18] no box doesnt say pro [10:18] model: MZ-7TE120µ [10:19] SSD 840 EVO 2.5-inch SATA 120GB (Basic) [10:19] http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/MZ-7TE120BW [10:19] no idea :( [10:20] yes thats the one [10:20] so, gotta hunt for some food now [10:20] (where hunt == to the shop) [10:21] ah found a diff [10:21] in the iso number [10:21] lemme try this one [10:32] back from hunting :) [10:32] how did it go? [10:33] now it says no suitable ssd's found [10:34] :( [10:34] strange [10:34]