[00:57] <Nautilus> i am setting up a ubunter-server VPS app by app, (LAMP stack, postfix+dovecot, etc).   Now I'm wondering if theres a good preconfigured install out there. I'm probably just going to put a few personal sites on it but it might be neat if it was more shared hosting like, with separate logins to a control panel, etc.
[01:00] <bekks> there are software solutions out there that may fit your needs, like cpanel, etc. - Personally, I wont recommend any of them.
[01:06] <Nautilus> I was thinking that might be the case
[01:07] <Nautilus> right now I've got nginx, MySQL, PHP, postfix+dovecot+spamassasin but still need to work on the authentication (LDS/something) for that.
[01:08] <Nautilus> TLS? can't remember, kind of dropped the project as xmas came up
[01:08] <mardraum> the authentication for what?
[01:08] <TJ-> Nautilus: I've used VirtualMin with Webmin for years for the same purpose without any problems, with one user account per domain, and it doesn't interfere with any manual admin I do.
[01:09] <Nautilus> mardraum: iirc, IMAP etc
[01:09] <bekks> !webmin
[01:09] <mardraum> Nautilus: add a user to the system?
[01:10] <TJ-> bekks: That factoid is so wrong! I use webmin to manage many services on several serves and its never upset the Debian/Ubuntu way of doing things
[01:10] <Nautilus> already have me and my brother, which is probably all it will have
[01:10] <bekks> TJ-: That factoid is oh so true for a decade now.
[01:11] <mardraum> Nautilus: then you should be able to use dovecot for imap just fine.
[01:11] <TJ-> bekks: Not for the last 7 years that I've been using it
[01:11] <bekks> TJ-: Just because you personally never experienced any issues it doesnt mean that webmin isnt known for breaking setups.
[01:11] <Nautilus> mardraum: at this point I think it sends the password in clear text (without the auth stuff)?
[01:12] <bekks> TJ-: And desupporting it wasnt a decision of a single person but a decision of several people more deep into the caveats of webmin than me.
[01:13] <TJ-> bekks: Same can be said for update-manager, release-upgrade, et al. Maybe since that decision was made things have improved. I certainly stress-test it with unusual scenarios and webmin/virtualmin/usermin have never broken.
[01:13] <bekks> TJ-: Well, it wasnt my decision. ButI strongly support it since I have seen too much setups broken by webmin.
[01:18] <mardraum> Nautilus: setup a self signed cert and do SSL then
[01:19] <Nautilus> yea I found what I was thinking of, SSL/TLS
[01:19] <Nautilus> I think I'm pretty much setup at that point?
[01:22] <Nautilus> hm, actually it would be nice to have some monitoring of the box, not sure what that would be exactly...
[01:22] <TJ-> Nautilus: You can get as many TLS certs as you need for your domains from startSSL, and their CA widely recognised
[01:23] <bekks> Nautilus: Use nagios for monitoring.
[01:23] <Nautilus> aha, I've heard of that
[01:24] <TJ-> Or Icinga, the nagios fork
[01:24] <bekks> Or that, yes.
[01:25] <TJ-> Cacti is useful for historic graphing, with SNMP and other sources
[01:26] <Nautilus> ah, one TLS cert per domain?
[01:27] <bekks> Sure.
[01:27] <Nautilus> for what reason would I pick nagios or icinga?
[01:28] <mardraum> the one you like the most?
[01:28] <Nautilus> knowing 0% about each
[01:28] <bekks> Nautilus: Personal preference.
[01:29] <Nautilus> is one lighter weight than the other?  I suppose I mean CPU usage
[01:29] <bekks> Depends on your configuration.
[01:30] <Nautilus> gotcha
[01:32] <TJ-> icinga when forked was intended to be more responsive to user requests, and implemented more client-side Javascript code for the UI, but remains backward compatible with nagios 3.x last time I tested it
[01:33] <Nautilus> ok
[04:41] <forresthopkinsa> Hi ppl
[04:41] <forresthopkinsa> I have a quick question that I can't figure out
[04:42] <forresthopkinsa> you know how, in the default command line, it shows $path $ <what you're typing>
[04:43] <mardraum> the prompt
[04:44] <forresthopkinsa> yesh
[04:44] <forresthopkinsa> I just made a new user, and when I log into it using SSH, it doesn't show that.
[04:44] <forresthopkinsa> It just shows the $
[04:44] <forresthopkinsa> and it can't seem to access bash.bashrc aliases
[04:45] <forresthopkinsa> ._.
[04:45] <forresthopkinsa> when I use an alias, it says:
[04:45] <forresthopkinsa> -sh: 1: <alias>: not found
[04:45] <forresthopkinsa> the second time, it's
[04:45] <forresthopkinsa> -sh: 2: <alias>: not found
[04:45] <forresthopkinsa> etc.
[04:45] <forresthopkinsa> would screenshots help?
[04:46] <mardraum> what is their shell set to?
[04:47] <forresthopkinsa> sorry I'm relatively new to this
[04:47] <forresthopkinsa> only been doing it for a month or two
[04:47] <forresthopkinsa> I don't know all the terminology, sorry to be a noob :/
[04:49] <forresthopkinsa> uhm, their primary group is not their username
[04:49] <forresthopkinsa> and their $PATH is /home/jacob
[04:49] <forresthopkinsa> (username is jacob)
[04:49] <forresthopkinsa> would screenshots help?
[04:50] <forresthopkinsa> oh, ok so normally the prompt looks like this:
[04:50] <forresthopkinsa> forrest@Neptune:~$
[04:50] <forresthopkinsa> but on Jacob's profile, it's
[04:50] <forresthopkinsa> $
[04:57] <forresthopkinsa> http://imgur.com/ioU5RJ2
[04:57] <forresthopkinsa> you will need to zoom in a bit, I know it's not high quality
[04:58] <forresthopkinsa> as you can see, Jacob's prompt does nto contain the <user>@Neptune:~$
[05:00] <forresthopkinsa> mardraum: help pls
[05:02] <forresthopkinsa> http://imgur.com/ioU5RJ2
[16:53] <triven> I have Ubuntu lts server installed on vbox on windows xp. When i run "sudo apt-get install apticron" I get "E:unable to get package apticorn". I have Ubuntu iso on virtual cd drive. Is it necessary to be connected on Internet to install package.
[16:54] <triven> I think the package will get installed from iso file.
[16:55] <bekks> That package does not exist. And for getting updated package lists, you need an internet connection.
[16:56] <bekks> Well, it does exist, but isnt part of the installation cd.
[16:57] <triven> okay thank :).. I am learning linux and quick response to my problems over here gives me more motivations . Everyone here is very helpful:):):)
[17:10] <triven> bekks , I connected to Internet but still I am getting same message.. Please help me how I can I install this package.
[17:13] <RoyK> triven: try apt-get update to update the index
[17:14] <triven> RoyK, I think I am not properly connect to Internet. Let me try to fix it first.
[17:15] <RoyK> triven: that would probably help, yes ;)
[18:23] <aFeijo> I added a line to mount my www.box.com account using webdav, when I boot the server it asks for user and password, but it wont go thru it and the server never finish booting!!!
[22:48] <Alina-malina> how can i run a virtual machine in ubuntu-server? is it possible to do?
[22:51] <bekks> Sure.
[22:52] <Alina-malina> is there any papers on how i may do that?
[22:52] <bekks> Just install the hypervisor of your choice and create a virtual machine. I's recommend installing virtualbox, which has a very good documentation on www.virtualbox.org
[22:52] <Alina-malina> bekks, virtalbox that with gui?
[22:53] <bekks> Yes.
[22:53] <bekks> It works without a GUI, too.
[22:53] <Alina-malina> oh no i am not about gui, i need it all to be working in console mode
[22:53] <bekks> Then use Virtualbox on console.
[22:54] <Alina-malina> hmm, ok not sure if i am on my righ way but thanks, any other examples would be apreciated
[22:54] <MrAndy> Editing the network/interfaces file to make a static LAN IP - do I have to add 'dns-nameservers' to that file aswell? The wanted dns servers have been setup in the router, however thinking logicly - how does it recive the dns setup if the settings in the server are static and no more uses DHCP to catch the DNS from.
[22:54] <bekks> Alina-malina: xen, kvm, vmware.
[22:54] <Alina-malina> as i have only ubuntu-server installed on my machine with console mode
[22:55] <bekks> Alina-malina: I'd just use Virtualbox in console mode.
[22:55] <Alina-malina> bekks, are those virtual machines ?
[22:55] <Alina-malina> ok
[22:55] <Alina-malina> need to practice with virtualbox
[22:55] <bekks> Those are hypervisors.
[22:55] <Alina-malina> i need virtual machine
[22:55] <Alina-malina> should i install it with apt-get virtualbox?
[22:56] <bekks> No. Follow the installation instructions in the virtualbox manual.
[22:57] <Alina-malina> oh ok, thanks for information
[22:57] <Alina-malina> hypervisors and virtual machine are not the same things right?
[22:57] <bekks> No. A hypervisor runs virtual machines.
[22:57] <Alina-malina> oh
[23:00] <MrAndy> Pardon me for highlightning you bekks - but do you know the answer to my question?
[23:00] <bekks> MrAndy: If you want a statically defined DNS server - yes, add that entry too.
[23:01] <MrAndy> bekks - but if I dont, it'll just fetch it from the router, yes?
[23:01] <bekks> MrAndy: No, then simply no DNS server will be used.
[23:02] <MrAndy> bekks - Alright, thanks for your help and time.
[23:02] <bekks> MrAndy: you're welcome.