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| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 10:22 |
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| brobostigon | ok, question, will putting my pebble on charge when i am not wearing it, to topup charge, will this eventually damage the lithium polymer batt. ? | 14:48 |
| ali12341 | yes | 14:54 |
| ali12341 | lithium batteries are damaged by anything except storing them at 60% charge at 5 degrees C | 14:54 |
| brobostigon | http://forums.getpebble.com/discussion/comment/8206/#Comment_8206 so that suggestions is inaccurate? | 14:56 |
| ali12341 | it's not even internally consistent | 14:58 |
| ali12341 | lithium batteries basically have a half life | 14:59 |
| brobostigon | soits best overall, to wait untill low battery indication then charging it untill full.? | 14:59 |
| ali12341 | that is the charge capacity will halve after some period of time | 14:59 |
| ali12341 | it's usually something like 500 charge cycles or 1.5 yeas, whichever is shorter | 15:00 |
| ali12341 | after that the battery will only have 50% original capacity | 15:00 |
| ali12341 | the bottom line is it doesn't matter what you do | 15:00 |
| ali12341 | lithium battery going to be useless after about 4 years no matter what | 15:00 |
| brobostigon | but the less charge cycles the better. | 15:00 |
| ali12341 | yes | 15:01 |
| ali12341 | to a point | 15:01 |
| ali12341 | charging also heats the battery | 15:01 |
| ali12341 | heating the battery kills it | 15:01 |
| brobostigon | yes. | 15:01 |
| ali12341 | basically you are screwed no matter what when it comes to lithiums | 15:01 |
| brobostigon | also, as i understand it, it makes it worse, totally discharging it? | 15:02 |
| ali12341 | also holding the battery at full charge damages it | 15:02 |
| ali12341 | for maximum life you have to keep it at 60% charge | 15:02 |
| brobostigon | that would be impossible to achieve. | 15:03 |
| ali12341 | yeah | 15:03 |
| ali12341 | as would keeping it a constant 5 degrees C | 15:03 |
| ali12341 | and even if you do both these things, the battery will still lose 50% capacity every 1.5 years | 15:03 |
| brobostigon | or 500 cycles, | 15:04 |
| ali12341 | yeah | 15:04 |
| brobostigon | is a cycle, from no charge untill full, ? | 15:04 |
| ali12341 | so the only thing you can do is suck it up and keep buying new batteries | 15:04 |
| ali12341 | a cycle is from full charge to completely empty to full charge again | 15:04 |
| brobostigon | so a cycle isnt, putting it on charge at 50% untill full and back? | 15:05 |
| brobostigon | wrong order. | 15:05 |
| ali12341 | no that's like half a cycle | 15:06 |
| ali12341 | but really it's less, because it stresses more at the extremes | 15:06 |
| brobostigon | so if i did that, it would last equivilant of a 1000 cycles? | 15:06 |
| ali12341 | yeah | 15:08 |
| ali12341 | but if you charge it every 3 days that is like 10 years | 15:08 |
| ali12341 | the battery would die long before that anyway | 15:08 |
| brobostigon | before any effect kicks in? | 15:08 |
| ali12341 | no, it is gradual | 15:09 |
| ali12341 | it starts happening as soon as the battery is made | 15:09 |
| brobostigon | ok, | 15:10 |
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| gpd | stumped - help greatly appreciated - trying to set up a spare wireless router as a wireless access point to allow two SSID networks for range extension. | 16:17 |
| gpd | seems to work as expected when cable connected - but fails to route to internet when connected via wireleess | 16:18 |
| popey | AlanBell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_r3z1jYHAc saw that - interesting power delivery | 16:28 |
| popey | he powers via the GPIO pin but added a fuse (and a tri-colour LED) to a custom board | 16:29 |
| gpd | looks like it was upnp... | 16:29 |
| AlanBell | popey: yeah, I like his build, especially the lights :) | 17:25 |
| SuperEngineer | At this time of imminent rain storms / re-flooding - shouldn't Ubuntu actually have a working weather app on the desktop [i.e. indicator-weather] that *worked* - convergence? My backside is more converged. | 17:36 |
| SuperEngineer | #gripe ;) | 17:36 |
| ball | Is there software for Ubuntu that can manage an iPod? | 17:43 |
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| SuperEngineer | I hate saying this as a Ubuntu supporter but...[if using 12.04] - no social apps really work - no weather apps work at all... & I'm not not budging to a non-lts for someone else's convenience - so I guess, overall, it's pdg! | 18:10 |
| SuperEngineer | ;) | 18:10 |
| SuperEngineer | now disappearing to fully remove all those weather & related apps I just retried ["just in case"] - to no avail. 'scuse I a mo... | 18:12 |
| aquarius | awright, dudes. | 19:23 |
| ball | aquarius: Yes, quite. | 19:25 |
| * aquarius laughs | 19:26 | |
| popey | join #ubuntu-offtopic | 19:31 |
| popey | BAH! | 19:31 |
| ball | Hello poey | 19:31 |
| ball | popey* | 19:31 |
| popey | ah 79 | 19:31 |
| ball | Sorry, that was a genuine typo. | 19:31 |
| daubers | Evening | 20:37 |
| popey | stgraber: do you know if it's possible/easy for me to setup an app to run on boot on my ubuntu phone from my home directory? perhaps using upstart? | 20:55 |
| popey | well, on session start I guess | 20:55 |
| DJones | czajkowski: You need to get your other half and the dog these shirts https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/1544969_624283554323346_1755037445_n.jpg | 20:57 |
| stgraber | popey: you should be able to dump an upstart job in ~/.init/ and have it be "start on startup" or something similarly relevant | 21:24 |
| popey | oh, thats handy, will try thanks stgraber | 21:25 |
| ali1234 | i need an upstart script to run indicator-datetime-service... | 21:58 |
| ali1234 | because the one that currently exists doesn't work properly and hasn't for several months | 21:58 |
| ali1234 | annoyingly enough it is broken on both saucy and trusty because of completely unrelated bugs | 22:01 |
| ali1234 | the saucy one is marked fix released, but it isn't fixed, but it *is* buried with trusty users who should have opened a new bug | 22:02 |
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