[10:22] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[14:48] <brobostigon> ok, question, will putting my pebble on charge when i am not wearing it, to topup charge, will this eventually damage the lithium polymer batt. ?
[14:54] <ali12341> yes
[14:54] <ali12341> lithium batteries are damaged by anything except storing them at 60% charge at 5 degrees C
[14:56] <brobostigon> http://forums.getpebble.com/discussion/comment/8206/#Comment_8206 so that suggestions is inaccurate?
[14:58] <ali12341> it's not even internally consistent
[14:59] <ali12341> lithium batteries basically have a half life
[14:59] <brobostigon> soits best overall, to wait untill low battery indication then charging it untill full.?
[14:59] <ali12341> that is the charge capacity will halve after some period of time
[15:00] <ali12341> it's usually something like 500 charge cycles or 1.5 yeas, whichever is shorter
[15:00] <ali12341> after that the battery will only have 50% original capacity
[15:00] <ali12341> the bottom line is it doesn't matter what you do
[15:00] <ali12341> lithium battery going to be useless after about 4 years no matter what
[15:00] <brobostigon> but the less charge cycles the better.
[15:01] <ali12341> yes
[15:01] <ali12341> to a point
[15:01] <ali12341> charging also heats the battery
[15:01] <ali12341> heating the battery kills it
[15:01] <brobostigon> yes.
[15:01] <ali12341> basically you are screwed no matter what when it comes to lithiums
[15:02] <brobostigon> also, as i understand it, it makes it worse, totally discharging it?
[15:02] <ali12341> also holding the battery at full charge damages it
[15:02] <ali12341> for maximum life you have to keep it at 60% charge
[15:03] <brobostigon> that would be impossible to achieve.
[15:03] <ali12341> yeah
[15:03] <ali12341> as would keeping it a constant 5 degrees C
[15:03] <ali12341> and even if you do both these things, the battery will still lose 50% capacity every 1.5 years
[15:04] <brobostigon> or 500 cycles,
[15:04] <ali12341> yeah
[15:04] <brobostigon> is a cycle, from no charge untill full, ?
[15:04] <ali12341> so the only thing you can do is suck it up and keep buying new batteries
[15:04] <ali12341> a cycle is from full charge to completely empty to full charge again
[15:05] <brobostigon> so a cycle isnt, putting it on charge at 50% untill full and back?
[15:05] <brobostigon> wrong order.
[15:06] <ali12341> no that's like half a cycle
[15:06] <ali12341> but really it's less, because it stresses more at the extremes
[15:06] <brobostigon> so if i did that, it would last equivilant of a 1000 cycles?
[15:08] <ali12341> yeah
[15:08] <ali12341> but if you charge it every 3 days that is like 10 years
[15:08] <ali12341> the battery would die long before that anyway
[15:08] <brobostigon> before any effect kicks in?
[15:09] <ali12341> no, it is gradual
[15:09] <ali12341> it starts happening as soon as the battery is made
[15:10] <brobostigon> ok,
[16:17] <gpd> stumped - help greatly appreciated - trying to set up a spare wireless router as a wireless access point to allow two SSID networks for range extension.
[16:18] <gpd> seems to work as expected when cable connected - but fails to route to internet when connected via wireleess
[16:28] <popey> AlanBell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_r3z1jYHAc saw that - interesting power delivery
[16:29] <popey> he powers via the GPIO pin but added a fuse (and a tri-colour LED) to a custom board
[16:29] <gpd> looks like it was upnp...
[17:25] <AlanBell> popey: yeah, I like his build, especially the lights :)
[17:36] <SuperEngineer> At this time of imminent rain storms / re-flooding - shouldn't Ubuntu actually have a working weather app on the desktop [i.e. indicator-weather] that *worked* - convergence? My backside is more converged.
[17:36] <SuperEngineer> #gripe ;)
[17:43] <ball> Is there software for Ubuntu that can manage an iPod?
[18:10] <SuperEngineer> I hate saying this as a Ubuntu supporter but...[if using 12.04] - no social apps really work - no weather apps work at all... & I'm not not budging to a non-lts for someone else's convenience - so I guess, overall, it's pdg!
[18:10] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:12] <SuperEngineer> now disappearing to fully remove all those weather & related apps I just retried ["just in case"] - to no avail.  'scuse I a mo...
[19:23] <aquarius> awright, dudes.
[19:25] <ball> aquarius: Yes, quite.
[19:26]  * aquarius laughs
[19:31] <popey> join #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:31] <popey> BAH!
[19:31] <ball> Hello poey
[19:31] <ball> popey*
[19:31] <popey> ah 79
[19:31] <ball> Sorry, that was a genuine typo.
[20:37] <daubers> Evening
[20:55] <popey> stgraber: do you know if it's possible/easy for me to setup an app to run on boot on my ubuntu phone from my home directory? perhaps using upstart?
[20:55] <popey> well, on session start I guess
[20:57] <DJones> czajkowski: You need to get your other half and the dog these shirts https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/1544969_624283554323346_1755037445_n.jpg
[21:24] <stgraber> popey: you should be able to dump an upstart job in ~/.init/ and have it be "start on startup" or something similarly relevant
[21:25] <popey> oh, thats handy, will try thanks stgraber
[21:58] <ali1234> i need an upstart script to run indicator-datetime-service...
[21:58] <ali1234> because the one that currently exists doesn't work properly and hasn't for several months
[22:01] <ali1234> annoyingly enough it is broken on both saucy and trusty because of completely unrelated bugs
[22:02] <ali1234> the saucy one is marked fix released, but it isn't fixed, but it *is* buried with trusty users who should have opened a new bug