=== aubade is now known as LjL === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [10:22] good morning everyone. === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === LjL is now known as LjL-Away [14:48] ok, question, will putting my pebble on charge when i am not wearing it, to topup charge, will this eventually damage the lithium polymer batt. ? [14:54] yes [14:54] lithium batteries are damaged by anything except storing them at 60% charge at 5 degrees C [14:56] http://forums.getpebble.com/discussion/comment/8206/#Comment_8206 so that suggestions is inaccurate? [14:58] it's not even internally consistent [14:59] lithium batteries basically have a half life [14:59] soits best overall, to wait untill low battery indication then charging it untill full.? [14:59] that is the charge capacity will halve after some period of time [15:00] it's usually something like 500 charge cycles or 1.5 yeas, whichever is shorter [15:00] after that the battery will only have 50% original capacity [15:00] the bottom line is it doesn't matter what you do [15:00] lithium battery going to be useless after about 4 years no matter what [15:00] but the less charge cycles the better. [15:01] yes [15:01] to a point [15:01] charging also heats the battery [15:01] heating the battery kills it [15:01] yes. [15:01] basically you are screwed no matter what when it comes to lithiums [15:02] also, as i understand it, it makes it worse, totally discharging it? [15:02] also holding the battery at full charge damages it [15:02] for maximum life you have to keep it at 60% charge [15:03] that would be impossible to achieve. [15:03] yeah [15:03] as would keeping it a constant 5 degrees C [15:03] and even if you do both these things, the battery will still lose 50% capacity every 1.5 years [15:04] or 500 cycles, [15:04] yeah [15:04] is a cycle, from no charge untill full, ? [15:04] so the only thing you can do is suck it up and keep buying new batteries [15:04] a cycle is from full charge to completely empty to full charge again [15:05] so a cycle isnt, putting it on charge at 50% untill full and back? [15:05] wrong order. [15:06] no that's like half a cycle [15:06] but really it's less, because it stresses more at the extremes [15:06] so if i did that, it would last equivilant of a 1000 cycles? [15:08] yeah [15:08] but if you charge it every 3 days that is like 10 years [15:08] the battery would die long before that anyway [15:08] before any effect kicks in? [15:09] no, it is gradual [15:09] it starts happening as soon as the battery is made [15:10] ok, === map is now known as Guest71069 === bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm [16:17] stumped - help greatly appreciated - trying to set up a spare wireless router as a wireless access point to allow two SSID networks for range extension. [16:18] seems to work as expected when cable connected - but fails to route to internet when connected via wireleess [16:28] AlanBell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_r3z1jYHAc saw that - interesting power delivery [16:29] he powers via the GPIO pin but added a fuse (and a tri-colour LED) to a custom board [16:29] looks like it was upnp... [17:25] popey: yeah, I like his build, especially the lights :) [17:36] At this time of imminent rain storms / re-flooding - shouldn't Ubuntu actually have a working weather app on the desktop [i.e. indicator-weather] that *worked* - convergence? My backside is more converged. [17:36] #gripe ;) [17:43] Is there software for Ubuntu that can manage an iPod? === lan3y is now known as Laney [18:10] I hate saying this as a Ubuntu supporter but...[if using 12.04] - no social apps really work - no weather apps work at all... & I'm not not budging to a non-lts for someone else's convenience - so I guess, overall, it's pdg! [18:10] ;) [18:12] now disappearing to fully remove all those weather & related apps I just retried ["just in case"] - to no avail. 'scuse I a mo... [19:23] awright, dudes. [19:25] aquarius: Yes, quite. [19:26] * aquarius laughs [19:31] join #ubuntu-offtopic [19:31] BAH! [19:31] Hello poey [19:31] popey* [19:31] ah 79 [19:31] Sorry, that was a genuine typo. [20:37] Evening [20:55] stgraber: do you know if it's possible/easy for me to setup an app to run on boot on my ubuntu phone from my home directory? perhaps using upstart? [20:55] well, on session start I guess [20:57] czajkowski: You need to get your other half and the dog these shirts https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/1544969_624283554323346_1755037445_n.jpg [21:24] popey: you should be able to dump an upstart job in ~/.init/ and have it be "start on startup" or something similarly relevant [21:25] oh, thats handy, will try thanks stgraber [21:58] i need an upstart script to run indicator-datetime-service... [21:58] because the one that currently exists doesn't work properly and hasn't for several months [22:01] annoyingly enough it is broken on both saucy and trusty because of completely unrelated bugs [22:02] the saucy one is marked fix released, but it isn't fixed, but it *is* buried with trusty users who should have opened a new bug === nsh is now known as nshbit === nshbit is now known as nshchawmp === robh_ is now known as Guest89483