| brainwash | ochosi: should I report bug 1264563 upstream (github)? should I also mark lightdm as affected package? | 00:31 |
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| ubottu | bug 1264563 in light-locker (Ubuntu) "lightdm not aware of session lock" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1264563 | 00:31 |
| brainwash | well, adding lightdm won't hurt I think :) | 00:33 |
| Noskcaj | Can someone check my work at https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/libxfce4ui/4.11 is ok? | 01:30 |
| Unit193 | Well hey, I have seemless now. | 02:09 |
| Unit193 | Netbook Saucy vs Trusty VM. | 02:25 |
| bluesabre | http://www.smdavis.us/2013/12/28/lightdm-gtk-greeter-1-7-0-released/ | 02:49 |
| bluesabre | thanks ali1234 ^ | 02:50 |
| Unit193 | You redesigned. | 02:50 |
| bluesabre | yeah, trying on the new Twenty Fourteen wordpress theme | 02:50 |
| bluesabre | still have some issues with it, but I've ironed most things out | 02:51 |
| brainwash | ochosi: oh, just found this report, I complained about the icon used by gigolo some time ago (gtk-network, the wifi symbol) | 12:30 |
| brainwash | https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10079 | 12:30 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10079 in General "Change .desktop icon from gtk-network to folder-remote" [Normal,New] | 12:30 |
| brainwash | could be fixed in xubuntu I guess, should we bother? | 12:31 |
| elfy | bluesabre: xset s off didn't make any difference - had to do xset -dpms | 13:03 |
| brainwash | elfy: power manager is able to change the monitor control management (dpms) | 13:06 |
| brainwash | xset s <parameter> controls the screen saver extension | 13:06 |
| elfy | brainwash: maybe so - all I know is that none of the current gui methods of stopping the monitor blanking after 10 minutes work | 13:07 |
| brainwash | install xscreensaver | 13:08 |
| brainwash | :P | 13:08 |
| elfy | oh hang on - power management has gone back to defaults somehow | 13:08 |
| elfy | that's the trouble with all these ppa's - no idea what's doing what anymore | 13:09 |
| brainwash | with the removal of xscreensaver we currently don't have an application to control the screen saver extension of the X server | 13:10 |
| brainwash | via GUI I mean | 13:10 |
| brainwash | xfce4-power-manager does not offer the possibility yet (-> wish list) | 13:11 |
| brainwash | and light-locker isn't able to either | 13:11 |
| brainwash | I've added the bug report to the xubuntu 14.04 blueprint | 13:13 |
| elfy | which blueprint | 13:15 |
| brainwash | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-t-flavor-xubuntu | 13:15 |
| brainwash | elfy: do you use the lightdm-gtk-greeter PPA and Unit193's PPA (xfdesktop, xfwm4 + tabwin)? | 13:33 |
| brainwash | if yes, does the smooth greeter -> desktop transition work for you, meaning no flicker at all? | 13:34 |
| hobgoblin | brainwash: pretty sure that's 2 of the ones i've got | 13:34 |
| hobgoblin | not sure - think I saw the grey screen this morning | 13:36 |
| brainwash | maybe just an imaginary grey screen :D | 13:36 |
| hobgoblin | :) | 13:36 |
| brainwash | so far we got like almost no feedback at all, it works fine for me | 13:38 |
| brainwash | Unit193 did observe some strange black screen flicer | 13:38 |
| hobgoblin | well then - let's give you so=me feedback | 13:42 |
| hobgoblin | logout and login - no grey screen | 13:42 |
| brainwash | Unit193: would it be possible to include the xfdesktop patch for accountsservice support? | 13:42 |
| hobgoblin | restart - login screen is covered with 'pics' of whatver was on the monitor when I hit restart | 13:43 |
| hobgoblin | shutdown and restart - screen is corrupted with a sort of yellowish thing loads of 'boxes' | 13:44 |
| hobgoblin | no grey though ... | 13:44 |
| brainwash | uhm, lets only focus on "lightdm greeter -> login -> desktop" | 13:45 |
| hobgoblin | why? | 13:45 |
| brainwash | because this transition got improved | 13:45 |
| hobgoblin | fine | 13:46 |
| hobgoblin | theneverythings great | 13:46 |
| brainwash | the background picture should remain always visible without any screen flicker (white, grey, black) | 13:46 |
| brainwash | ok :) | 13:47 |
| hobgoblin | I'm no really in any fit state to be getting up and down to check the pc I'm afraid | 13:47 |
| bluesabre | hobgoblin, using nouveau drivers? | 13:47 |
| hobgoblin | yep | 13:47 |
| bluesabre | there's a hacky fix we can start to try for that | 13:48 |
| bluesabre | I'll try to roll it out in the next few days | 13:48 |
| hobgoblin | bluesabre: for which ? the fubar boot 'screen things' ? | 13:49 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 13:50 |
| hobgoblin | ok - will watch for that | 13:50 |
| hobgoblin | bbl | 13:50 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: so the monitor tabs in the xfce4-power-manager do not modify the screen blanking time? | 13:59 |
| brainwash | only the dpms settings | 14:00 |
| brainwash | see "xset -q" | 14:00 |
| brainwash | under "Screen Saver:" | 14:00 |
| bluesabre | ah, I see | 14:00 |
| brainwash | the timeout value does not get changed | 14:00 |
| brainwash | it was xscreensaver's job to control it | 14:01 |
| bluesabre | right | 14:01 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: we should add a light-locker-settings app | 14:01 |
| bluesabre | I might try to create a branch for that some time this week | 14:01 |
| brainwash | awesome | 14:01 |
| sergio-br2 | hey guys, why inkscape is not default in (x)ubuntu? | 16:01 |
| pmjdebruijn | why would it be | 16:03 |
| sergio-br2 | i mean, for people who cames from M$ world, it's more friendly click in one Corel file and it be opens by inkscape | 16:03 |
| pmjdebruijn | most people don't need to open corel files | 16:03 |
| sergio-br2 | normally, people knows only Corel | 16:03 |
| ObrienDave | says you | 16:03 |
| pmjdebruijn | the point is, the default applications in ubuntu/xubuntu are chosen by the type of things most people do/need | 16:04 |
| pmjdebruijn | vector art is rather specific | 16:04 |
| sergio-br2 | and most people don't need to edit image files too, but gimp is default in xubuntu iso | 16:04 |
| pmjdebruijn | especially for a disk space consuming application | 16:04 |
| pmjdebruijn | sergio-br2: I know a hell of a lot more people who edit photos than who do vector art | 16:04 |
| pmjdebruijn | a couple orders of magnitude more | 16:04 |
| pmjdebruijn | main point being | 16:05 |
| pmjdebruijn | inkscape is easy to install via apt | 16:05 |
| pmjdebruijn | (or the software centre) | 16:05 |
| sergio-br2 | well, in my university, a lot of people do vector art (and it's a engenering university) | 16:05 |
| pmjdebruijn | xubuntu isn't made for your university | 16:05 |
| sergio-br2 | haha, yeah | 16:05 |
| pmjdebruijn | that's super specific | 16:05 |
| pmjdebruijn | your proving my point for me | 16:06 |
| pmjdebruijn | apt-get install inkscape is all your need | 16:06 |
| pmjdebruijn | so I really don't see the issue | 16:06 |
| pmjdebruijn | and on that previous note, plain ubuntu doesn't ship gimp anymore, but just shotwell (which is a good choice) | 16:06 |
| pmjdebruijn | most people only need standard adjustment for their photos, not full "complicated" gimp | 16:07 |
| * pmjdebruijn likes gimp | 16:07 | |
| pmjdebruijn | but that doesn't mean it should be in the default iso | 16:07 |
| sergio-br2 | well, but gimp is in the xubuntu iso | 16:07 |
| pmjdebruijn | some choices have to be made, otherwise you'd end up with a 10GB default install, with a lot of cruft few people use | 16:07 |
| pmjdebruijn | sergio-br2: it is | 16:07 |
| pmjdebruijn | editing photos is orders of magnitude more common than people working on vector art | 16:07 |
| pmjdebruijn | so that makes totally sense | 16:08 |
| * pmjdebruijn isn't a developer btw | 16:08 | |
| pmjdebruijn | but the xubuntu developers choices do make sense to me | 16:08 |
| hobgoblin | apart from gmb ... | 16:11 |
| * hobgoblin chcks | 16:11 | |
| pmjdebruijn | gmb? | 16:11 |
| hobgoblin | to see if knome is about :) | 16:11 |
| hobgoblin | gnomemusicbrowser | 16:12 |
| pmjdebruijn | oh? | 16:12 |
| pmjdebruijn | why | 16:12 |
| pmjdebruijn | seems fine to me | 16:12 |
| hobgoblin | my pet hate lol | 16:12 |
| ObrienDave | ahh, phishing for knome? ;P | 16:12 |
| pmjdebruijn | hobgoblin: other replacement either seem way over crufted, or way underfeatured | 16:12 |
| hobgoblin | I use clementine | 16:13 |
| pmjdebruijn | or pull in gnome deps or whatever | 16:13 |
| hobgoblin | yep | 16:13 |
| pmjdebruijn | that pulls in a huge bunch of dependancies | 16:13 |
| pmjdebruijn | and it's a qt app, so there might be qt theme consistency issues | 16:13 |
| pmjdebruijn | so again, I can see it makes sense to ship gmb :) | 16:14 |
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| pmjdebruijn | anyhow just thinking out loud | 16:14 |
| pmjdebruijn | in the end everybody has their own preferences | 16:14 |
| pmjdebruijn | which is why apt is so great :) | 16:15 |
| elfy | I understand why we ship gmb - just never worked out how to use it the way I use other music apps | 16:16 |
| elfy | yep- apt ftw | 16:16 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: VM got the black screen, netbook gets smooth. (was waiting for release of the greeter.) As I don't know about the patch, what's it do? I suppose it'll apply cleanly? | 18:04 |
| brainwash | Unit193: actually I don't know | 18:08 |
| brainwash | it's xubuntu_set-accountsservice-user-bg.patch | 18:13 |
| brainwash | the saucy/trusty source package includes this patch | 18:14 |
| brainwash | if it does not apply cleanly, you could apply it manually (it's a small patch) | 18:15 |
| Unit193 | Oh, well sure then. | 18:24 |
| Noskcaj | debian just uploaded libxfce4ui 4.11, and have work on indicator plugin. | 18:59 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: Well, I would if I could. :P | 19:30 |
| Noskcaj | new whiskermenu is in debian. 12 hours after release | 20:20 |
| brainwash | Noskcaj: any news regarding power-manager-systemd ? | 20:39 |
| brainwash | the package provided by your PPA seems to work for most/all people | 20:39 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, I've not paid much attention to it. i think ochosi and elfy are the ones to talk to. My issue is autoreconf isn't perfect, but i'll look at it today | 20:40 |
| brainwash | just curious, if the updated package could be pushed into proposed | 20:41 |
| brainwash | Noskcaj: were you able to solve the indicator plugin build errors? | 20:44 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, That's a bit difficult since we've got a 60 package sponsoring queue, 4.11 landing in experimental soon, and no MOTU for me | 20:44 |
| Noskcaj | and i'll look today | 20:44 |
| brainwash | chaotic days :) | 20:45 |
| Noskcaj | Do you know what http://paste.ubuntu.com/6659023/ means? | 20:51 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, IT WORKS! i just had to run xdt-autogen better. I'll put it on the PPA now | 21:03 |
| brainwash | Noskcaj: great, I'll update my test system | 21:52 |
| brainwash | so the package is ready for the ubuntu repo? | 21:53 |
| brainwash | on top of that, SRU is needed for saucy =S | 21:55 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, Should be. But like i said, we'll not get an upload for a few weeks unless micah will, sponsor queue is too big. | 21:56 |
| Noskcaj | Should this get forwarded upstream? (or debian) | 21:56 |
| brainwash | right, but this is actually a major issue, affecting many many users | 21:56 |
| brainwash | 344 heat level, a dozen of duplicates | 21:57 |
| Noskcaj | Would it affect debian? If so, we'd get an upload that way just as fast | 21:57 |
| brainwash | a debian bug report exists | 21:58 |
| brainwash | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727605 | 21:58 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 727605 in xfce4-power-manager "Add support for systemd inhibit API" [Normal,Open] | 21:58 |
| Noskcaj | ok, i'll talk to corsac now | 21:58 |
| brainwash | so I guess yes | 21:58 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-xfce/desktop/branches/experimental/xfce4-power-manager/debian/changelog?rev=8134&op=diff | 22:02 |
| brainwash | already done? | 22:06 |
| brainwash | that was fast | 22:06 |
| Noskcaj | corsac already was going to do it, this is a slightly different fix | 22:07 |
| brainwash | so we're going to use this fix too, right? | 22:10 |
| Noskcaj | It's pretty much identical, so yeah | 22:10 |
| brainwash | alright :) | 22:11 |
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