[00:31] <brainwash> ochosi: should I report bug 1264563 upstream (github)? should I also mark lightdm as affected package?
[00:33] <brainwash> well, adding lightdm won't hurt I think :)
[01:30] <Noskcaj> Can someone check my work at https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/libxfce4ui/4.11 is ok?
[02:09] <Unit193> Well hey, I have seemless now.
[02:25] <Unit193> Netbook Saucy vs Trusty VM.
[02:49] <bluesabre> http://www.smdavis.us/2013/12/28/lightdm-gtk-greeter-1-7-0-released/
[02:50] <bluesabre> thanks ali1234 ^
[02:50] <Unit193> You redesigned.
[02:50] <bluesabre> yeah, trying on the new Twenty Fourteen wordpress theme
[02:51] <bluesabre> still have some issues with it, but I've ironed most things out
[12:30] <brainwash> ochosi: oh, just found this report, I complained about the icon used by gigolo some time ago (gtk-network, the wifi symbol)
[12:30] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10079
[12:31] <brainwash> could be fixed in xubuntu I guess, should we bother?
[13:03] <elfy> bluesabre: xset s off didn't make any difference - had to do xset -dpms
[13:06] <brainwash> elfy: power manager is able to change the monitor control management (dpms)
[13:06] <brainwash> xset s <parameter>  controls the screen saver extension
[13:07] <elfy> brainwash: maybe so - all I know is that none of the current gui methods of stopping the monitor blanking after 10 minutes work
[13:08] <brainwash> install xscreensaver
[13:08] <brainwash> :P
[13:08] <elfy> oh hang on - power management has gone back to defaults somehow
[13:09] <elfy> that's the trouble with all these ppa's - no idea what's doing what anymore 
[13:10] <brainwash> with the removal of xscreensaver we currently don't have an application to control the screen saver extension of the X server
[13:10] <brainwash> via GUI I mean
[13:11] <brainwash> xfce4-power-manager does not offer the possibility yet (-> wish list)
[13:11] <brainwash> and light-locker isn't able to either
[13:13] <brainwash> I've added the bug report to the xubuntu 14.04 blueprint
[13:15] <elfy> which blueprint
[13:15] <brainwash> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-t-flavor-xubuntu
[13:33] <brainwash> elfy: do you use the lightdm-gtk-greeter PPA and Unit193's PPA (xfdesktop, xfwm4 + tabwin)?
[13:34] <brainwash> if yes, does the smooth greeter -> desktop transition work for you, meaning no flicker at all?
[13:34] <hobgoblin> brainwash: pretty sure that's 2 of the ones i've got
[13:36] <hobgoblin> not sure - think I saw the grey screen this morning
[13:36] <brainwash> maybe just an imaginary grey screen :D
[13:36] <hobgoblin> :)
[13:38] <brainwash> so far we got like almost no feedback at all, it works fine for me
[13:38] <brainwash> Unit193 did observe some strange black screen flicer
[13:42] <hobgoblin> well then - let's give you so=me feedback 
[13:42] <hobgoblin> logout and login - no grey screen
[13:42] <brainwash> Unit193: would it be possible to include the xfdesktop patch for accountsservice support?
[13:43] <hobgoblin> restart - login screen is covered with 'pics' of whatver was on the monitor when I hit restart
[13:44] <hobgoblin> shutdown and restart - screen is corrupted with a sort of yellowish thing loads of 'boxes'
[13:44] <hobgoblin> no grey though ... 
[13:45] <brainwash> uhm, lets only focus on "lightdm greeter -> login -> desktop" 
[13:45] <hobgoblin> why?
[13:45] <brainwash> because this transition got improved
[13:46] <hobgoblin> fine
[13:46] <hobgoblin> theneverythings great
[13:46] <brainwash> the background picture should remain always visible without any screen flicker (white, grey, black)
[13:47] <brainwash> ok :)
[13:47] <hobgoblin> I'm no really in any fit state to be getting up and down to check the pc I'm afraid
[13:47] <bluesabre> hobgoblin, using nouveau drivers?
[13:47] <hobgoblin> yep
[13:48] <bluesabre> there's a hacky fix we can start to try for that
[13:48] <bluesabre> I'll try to roll it out in the next few days
[13:49] <hobgoblin> bluesabre: for which ? the fubar boot 'screen things' ?
[13:50] <bluesabre> yeah
[13:50] <hobgoblin> ok - will watch for that 
[13:50] <hobgoblin> bbl
[13:59] <bluesabre> brainwash: so the monitor tabs in the xfce4-power-manager do not modify the screen blanking time?
[14:00] <brainwash> only the dpms settings
[14:00] <brainwash> see "xset -q"
[14:00] <brainwash> under "Screen Saver:"
[14:00] <bluesabre> ah, I see
[14:00] <brainwash> the timeout value does not get changed
[14:01] <brainwash> it was xscreensaver's job to control it
[14:01] <bluesabre> right
[14:01] <bluesabre> ochosi: we should add a light-locker-settings app
[14:01] <bluesabre> I might try to create a branch for that some time this week
[14:01] <brainwash> awesome
[16:01] <sergio-br2> hey guys, why inkscape is not default in (x)ubuntu?
[16:03] <pmjdebruijn> why would it be
[16:03] <sergio-br2> i mean, for people who cames from M$ world, it's more friendly click in one Corel file and it be opens by inkscape
[16:03] <pmjdebruijn> most people don't need to open corel files
[16:03] <sergio-br2> normally, people knows only Corel
[16:03] <ObrienDave> says you
[16:04] <pmjdebruijn> the point is, the default applications in ubuntu/xubuntu are chosen by the type of things most people do/need
[16:04] <pmjdebruijn> vector art is rather specific
[16:04] <sergio-br2> and most people don't need to edit image files too, but gimp is default in xubuntu iso
[16:04] <pmjdebruijn> especially for a disk space consuming application
[16:04] <pmjdebruijn> sergio-br2: I know a hell of a lot more people who edit photos than who do vector art
[16:04] <pmjdebruijn> a couple orders of magnitude more
[16:05] <pmjdebruijn> main point being
[16:05] <pmjdebruijn> inkscape is easy to install via apt
[16:05] <pmjdebruijn> (or the software centre)
[16:05] <sergio-br2> well, in my university, a lot of people do vector art (and it's a engenering university)
[16:05] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu isn't made for your university
[16:05] <sergio-br2> haha, yeah
[16:05] <pmjdebruijn> that's super specific
[16:06] <pmjdebruijn> your proving my point for me
[16:06] <pmjdebruijn> apt-get install inkscape is all your need
[16:06] <pmjdebruijn> so I really don't see the issue
[16:06] <pmjdebruijn> and on that previous note, plain ubuntu doesn't ship gimp anymore, but just shotwell (which is a good choice)
[16:07] <pmjdebruijn> most people only need standard adjustment for their photos, not full "complicated" gimp
[16:07]  * pmjdebruijn likes gimp
[16:07] <pmjdebruijn> but that doesn't mean it should be in the default iso
[16:07] <sergio-br2> well, but gimp is in the xubuntu iso
[16:07] <pmjdebruijn> some choices have to be made, otherwise you'd end up with a 10GB default install, with a lot of cruft few people use
[16:07] <pmjdebruijn> sergio-br2: it is
[16:07] <pmjdebruijn> editing photos is orders of magnitude more common than people working on vector art
[16:08] <pmjdebruijn> so that makes totally sense
[16:08]  * pmjdebruijn isn't a developer btw
[16:08] <pmjdebruijn> but the xubuntu developers choices do make sense to me
[16:11] <hobgoblin> apart from gmb ... 
[16:11]  * hobgoblin chcks
[16:11] <pmjdebruijn> gmb?
[16:11] <hobgoblin> to see if knome is about :)
[16:12] <hobgoblin> gnomemusicbrowser
[16:12] <pmjdebruijn> oh?
[16:12] <pmjdebruijn> why
[16:12] <pmjdebruijn> seems fine to me
[16:12] <hobgoblin> my pet hate lol
[16:12] <ObrienDave> ahh, phishing for knome? ;P
[16:12] <pmjdebruijn> hobgoblin: other replacement either seem way over crufted, or way underfeatured
[16:13] <hobgoblin> I use clementine
[16:13] <pmjdebruijn> or pull in gnome deps or whatever
[16:13] <hobgoblin> yep
[16:13] <pmjdebruijn> that pulls in a huge bunch of dependancies
[16:13] <pmjdebruijn> and it's a qt app, so there might be qt theme consistency issues
[16:14] <pmjdebruijn> so again, I can see it makes sense to ship gmb :)
[16:14] <pmjdebruijn> anyhow just thinking out loud
[16:14] <pmjdebruijn> in the end everybody has their own preferences
[16:15] <pmjdebruijn> which is why apt is so great :)
[16:16] <elfy> I understand why we ship gmb - just never worked out how to use it the way I use other music apps
[16:16] <elfy> yep- apt ftw 
[18:04] <Unit193> brainwash: VM got the black screen, netbook gets smooth. (was waiting for release of the greeter.)  As I don't know about the patch, what's it do?  I suppose it'll apply cleanly?
[18:08] <brainwash> Unit193: actually I don't know
[18:13] <brainwash> it's xubuntu_set-accountsservice-user-bg.patch
[18:14] <brainwash> the saucy/trusty source package includes this patch
[18:15] <brainwash> if it does not apply cleanly, you could apply it manually (it's a small patch)
[18:24] <Unit193> Oh, well sure then.
[18:59] <Noskcaj> debian just uploaded libxfce4ui 4.11, and have work on indicator plugin.
[19:30] <Unit193> brainwash: Well, I would if I could. :P
[20:20] <Noskcaj> new whiskermenu is in debian. 12 hours after release
[20:39] <brainwash> Noskcaj: any news regarding power-manager-systemd ?
[20:39] <brainwash> the package provided by your PPA seems to work for most/all people
[20:40] <Noskcaj> brainwash, I've not paid much attention to it. i think ochosi and elfy are the ones to talk to. My issue is autoreconf isn't perfect, but i'll look at it today
[20:41] <brainwash> just curious, if the updated package could be pushed into proposed
[20:44] <brainwash> Noskcaj: were you able to solve the indicator plugin build errors?
[20:44] <Noskcaj> brainwash, That's a bit difficult since we've got a 60 package sponsoring queue, 4.11 landing in experimental soon, and no MOTU for me
[20:44] <Noskcaj> and i'll look today
[20:45] <brainwash> chaotic days :)
[20:51] <Noskcaj> Do you know what http://paste.ubuntu.com/6659023/ means?
[21:03] <Noskcaj> brainwash, IT WORKS! i just had to run xdt-autogen better. I'll put it on the PPA now
[21:52] <brainwash> Noskcaj: great, I'll update my test system
[21:53] <brainwash> so the package is ready for the ubuntu repo?
[21:55] <brainwash> on top of that, SRU is needed for saucy =S
[21:56] <Noskcaj> brainwash, Should be. But like i said, we'll not get an upload for a few weeks unless micah will, sponsor queue is too big.
[21:56] <Noskcaj> Should this get forwarded upstream? (or debian)
[21:56] <brainwash> right, but this is actually a major issue, affecting many many users
[21:57] <brainwash> 344 heat level, a dozen of duplicates
[21:57] <Noskcaj> Would it affect debian? If so, we'd get an upload that way just as fast
[21:58] <brainwash> a debian bug report exists
[21:58] <brainwash> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727605
[21:58] <Noskcaj> ok, i'll talk to corsac now
[21:58] <brainwash> so I guess yes
[22:02] <Noskcaj> brainwash, http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-xfce/desktop/branches/experimental/xfce4-power-manager/debian/changelog?rev=8134&op=diff
[22:06] <brainwash> already done?
[22:06] <brainwash> that was fast
[22:07] <Noskcaj> corsac already was going to do it, this is a slightly different fix
[22:10] <brainwash> so we're going to use this fix too, right?
[22:10] <Noskcaj> It's pretty much identical, so yeah
[22:11] <brainwash> alright :)