[00:31] ochosi: should I report bug 1264563 upstream (github)? should I also mark lightdm as affected package? [00:31] bug 1264563 in light-locker (Ubuntu) "lightdm not aware of session lock" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1264563 [00:33] well, adding lightdm won't hurt I think :) [01:30] Can someone check my work at https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/libxfce4ui/4.11 is ok? [02:09] Well hey, I have seemless now. [02:25] Netbook Saucy vs Trusty VM. [02:49] http://www.smdavis.us/2013/12/28/lightdm-gtk-greeter-1-7-0-released/ [02:50] thanks ali1234 ^ [02:50] You redesigned. [02:50] yeah, trying on the new Twenty Fourteen wordpress theme [02:51] still have some issues with it, but I've ironed most things out [12:30] ochosi: oh, just found this report, I complained about the icon used by gigolo some time ago (gtk-network, the wifi symbol) [12:30] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10079 [12:30] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10079 in General "Change .desktop icon from gtk-network to folder-remote" [Normal,New] [12:31] could be fixed in xubuntu I guess, should we bother? [13:03] bluesabre: xset s off didn't make any difference - had to do xset -dpms [13:06] elfy: power manager is able to change the monitor control management (dpms) [13:06] xset s controls the screen saver extension [13:07] brainwash: maybe so - all I know is that none of the current gui methods of stopping the monitor blanking after 10 minutes work [13:08] install xscreensaver [13:08] :P [13:08] oh hang on - power management has gone back to defaults somehow [13:09] that's the trouble with all these ppa's - no idea what's doing what anymore [13:10] with the removal of xscreensaver we currently don't have an application to control the screen saver extension of the X server [13:10] via GUI I mean [13:11] xfce4-power-manager does not offer the possibility yet (-> wish list) [13:11] and light-locker isn't able to either [13:13] I've added the bug report to the xubuntu 14.04 blueprint [13:15] which blueprint [13:15] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-t-flavor-xubuntu [13:33] elfy: do you use the lightdm-gtk-greeter PPA and Unit193's PPA (xfdesktop, xfwm4 + tabwin)? [13:34] if yes, does the smooth greeter -> desktop transition work for you, meaning no flicker at all? [13:34] brainwash: pretty sure that's 2 of the ones i've got [13:36] not sure - think I saw the grey screen this morning [13:36] maybe just an imaginary grey screen :D [13:36] :) [13:38] so far we got like almost no feedback at all, it works fine for me [13:38] Unit193 did observe some strange black screen flicer [13:42] well then - let's give you so=me feedback [13:42] logout and login - no grey screen [13:42] Unit193: would it be possible to include the xfdesktop patch for accountsservice support? [13:43] restart - login screen is covered with 'pics' of whatver was on the monitor when I hit restart [13:44] shutdown and restart - screen is corrupted with a sort of yellowish thing loads of 'boxes' [13:44] no grey though ... [13:45] uhm, lets only focus on "lightdm greeter -> login -> desktop" [13:45] why? [13:45] because this transition got improved [13:46] fine [13:46] theneverythings great [13:46] the background picture should remain always visible without any screen flicker (white, grey, black) [13:47] ok :) [13:47] I'm no really in any fit state to be getting up and down to check the pc I'm afraid [13:47] hobgoblin, using nouveau drivers? [13:47] yep [13:48] there's a hacky fix we can start to try for that [13:48] I'll try to roll it out in the next few days [13:49] bluesabre: for which ? the fubar boot 'screen things' ? [13:50] yeah [13:50] ok - will watch for that [13:50] bbl [13:59] brainwash: so the monitor tabs in the xfce4-power-manager do not modify the screen blanking time? [14:00] only the dpms settings [14:00] see "xset -q" [14:00] under "Screen Saver:" [14:00] ah, I see [14:00] the timeout value does not get changed [14:01] it was xscreensaver's job to control it [14:01] right [14:01] ochosi: we should add a light-locker-settings app [14:01] I might try to create a branch for that some time this week [14:01] awesome [16:01] hey guys, why inkscape is not default in (x)ubuntu? [16:03] why would it be [16:03] i mean, for people who cames from M$ world, it's more friendly click in one Corel file and it be opens by inkscape [16:03] most people don't need to open corel files [16:03] normally, people knows only Corel [16:03] says you [16:04] the point is, the default applications in ubuntu/xubuntu are chosen by the type of things most people do/need [16:04] vector art is rather specific [16:04] and most people don't need to edit image files too, but gimp is default in xubuntu iso [16:04] especially for a disk space consuming application [16:04] sergio-br2: I know a hell of a lot more people who edit photos than who do vector art [16:04] a couple orders of magnitude more [16:05] main point being [16:05] inkscape is easy to install via apt [16:05] (or the software centre) [16:05] well, in my university, a lot of people do vector art (and it's a engenering university) [16:05] xubuntu isn't made for your university [16:05] haha, yeah [16:05] that's super specific [16:06] your proving my point for me [16:06] apt-get install inkscape is all your need [16:06] so I really don't see the issue [16:06] and on that previous note, plain ubuntu doesn't ship gimp anymore, but just shotwell (which is a good choice) [16:07] most people only need standard adjustment for their photos, not full "complicated" gimp [16:07] * pmjdebruijn likes gimp [16:07] but that doesn't mean it should be in the default iso [16:07] well, but gimp is in the xubuntu iso [16:07] some choices have to be made, otherwise you'd end up with a 10GB default install, with a lot of cruft few people use [16:07] sergio-br2: it is [16:07] editing photos is orders of magnitude more common than people working on vector art [16:08] so that makes totally sense [16:08] * pmjdebruijn isn't a developer btw [16:08] but the xubuntu developers choices do make sense to me [16:11] apart from gmb ... [16:11] * hobgoblin chcks [16:11] gmb? [16:11] to see if knome is about :) [16:12] gnomemusicbrowser [16:12] oh? [16:12] why [16:12] seems fine to me [16:12] my pet hate lol [16:12] ahh, phishing for knome? ;P [16:12] hobgoblin: other replacement either seem way over crufted, or way underfeatured [16:13] I use clementine [16:13] or pull in gnome deps or whatever [16:13] yep [16:13] that pulls in a huge bunch of dependancies [16:13] and it's a qt app, so there might be qt theme consistency issues [16:14] so again, I can see it makes sense to ship gmb :) === hobgoblin is now known as elfy [16:14] anyhow just thinking out loud [16:14] in the end everybody has their own preferences [16:15] which is why apt is so great :) [16:16] I understand why we ship gmb - just never worked out how to use it the way I use other music apps [16:16] yep- apt ftw [18:04] brainwash: VM got the black screen, netbook gets smooth. (was waiting for release of the greeter.) As I don't know about the patch, what's it do? I suppose it'll apply cleanly? [18:08] Unit193: actually I don't know [18:13] it's xubuntu_set-accountsservice-user-bg.patch [18:14] the saucy/trusty source package includes this patch [18:15] if it does not apply cleanly, you could apply it manually (it's a small patch) [18:24] Oh, well sure then. [18:59] debian just uploaded libxfce4ui 4.11, and have work on indicator plugin. [19:30] brainwash: Well, I would if I could. :P [20:20] new whiskermenu is in debian. 12 hours after release [20:39] Noskcaj: any news regarding power-manager-systemd ? [20:39] the package provided by your PPA seems to work for most/all people [20:40] brainwash, I've not paid much attention to it. i think ochosi and elfy are the ones to talk to. My issue is autoreconf isn't perfect, but i'll look at it today [20:41] just curious, if the updated package could be pushed into proposed [20:44] Noskcaj: were you able to solve the indicator plugin build errors? [20:44] brainwash, That's a bit difficult since we've got a 60 package sponsoring queue, 4.11 landing in experimental soon, and no MOTU for me [20:44] and i'll look today [20:45] chaotic days :) [20:51] Do you know what http://paste.ubuntu.com/6659023/ means? [21:03] brainwash, IT WORKS! i just had to run xdt-autogen better. I'll put it on the PPA now [21:52] Noskcaj: great, I'll update my test system [21:53] so the package is ready for the ubuntu repo? [21:55] on top of that, SRU is needed for saucy =S [21:56] brainwash, Should be. But like i said, we'll not get an upload for a few weeks unless micah will, sponsor queue is too big. [21:56] Should this get forwarded upstream? (or debian) [21:56] right, but this is actually a major issue, affecting many many users [21:57] 344 heat level, a dozen of duplicates [21:57] Would it affect debian? If so, we'd get an upload that way just as fast [21:58] a debian bug report exists [21:58] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727605 [21:58] Debian bug 727605 in xfce4-power-manager "Add support for systemd inhibit API" [Normal,Open] [21:58] ok, i'll talk to corsac now [21:58] so I guess yes [22:02] brainwash, http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-xfce/desktop/branches/experimental/xfce4-power-manager/debian/changelog?rev=8134&op=diff [22:06] already done? [22:06] that was fast [22:07] corsac already was going to do it, this is a slightly different fix [22:10] so we're going to use this fix too, right? [22:10] It's pretty much identical, so yeah [22:11] alright :)