[08:27] <tomatosalad> Quick question, what is the significance of the mac builds? I use debian myself but want to get my friend started with a livecd on an older macbook pro that *is* 64-bit, but I'm wondering what the difference between the mac and pc isos?
[08:29] <JohnDoe_71Rus> tomatosalad: x86 and PowerPC diferent arch
[08:29] <tomatosalad> oh, really?
[08:29] <tomatosalad> that's a crap way of describing the files, then, because there were 32-bit intel processors
[08:30] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC
[08:30] <tomatosalad> The original MBP had a 32-bit Intel Core Duo
[08:30] <tomatosalad> Yonah
[08:31] <JohnDoe_71Rus> Depends on the year
[08:31] <JohnDoe_71Rus> if it has Intel CPU, you can use x86 or amd64 iso
[08:32] <tomatosalad> No, it doesn't. The original MacBook Pro revision, introduced in 2006, had a 32-bit Yonah Intel Core Duo processor, which was then replaced in the next revision with a 64-bit Merom Intel Core 2 Duo processor. (the MBP was also the first mac with an intel processor)
[08:33] <tomatosalad> The original MacBook also had a Yonah
[08:33] <tomatosalad> That's ~10 months worth of macs with 32-bit intel processors
[08:34] <tomatosalad> and, anyway, they're not different arches
[08:34] <tomatosalad> I'm discussing the amd64 "PC" iso and the amd64 "mac" iso
[08:35] <tomatosalad> what is the functional difference? wifi drivers?
[08:42] <JohnDoe_71Rus> Special disks for MAC, only for powerPC
[08:42] <tomatosalad> no, they're not only powerpc
[08:43] <tomatosalad> there's an x64 arch for mac
[09:05] <JohnDoe_71Rus> tomatosalad: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[09:05] <tomatosalad> do you realize how unhelpful you are
[09:06] <JohnDoe_71Rus> no :)
[09:09] <JohnDoe_71Rus> ordinary computer - x86 or amd64. Apple pc - new with intel cpu = the same ordinary computer with MacOS. You can install x86 or amd64 OS. if it powerpc cpu, use only powerpc images
[09:19] <Unit193> tomatosalad: Macs use old EFI based systems that don't support multi-catalog CDs, thus they can't use the UEFI/BIOS hybrid disks.
[09:23] <tomatosalad> Unit193: oh, interesting
[09:23] <tomatosalad> ...are the x86 ones multi-catalog?
[09:23] <Unit193> Oh, well close, more info http://askubuntu.com/questions/37999/what-is-different-about-the-mac-iso-image
[09:23] <Unit193> EFI doesn't really matter in 32bit world.
[15:17] <hectorh30> Hi people, does anyone know if its possible to have a keyboard shortcut to create a new desktop?
[15:18] <hectorh30> I used to have that feature in xubuntu, but I couldn't find anything like that in ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[15:24] <SonikkuAmerica> Create a new desktop? As in a new workspace?
[15:28] <hectorh30> SonikkuAmerica, Umm.. one more of the 4 desktops I already have laid out horizontally
[15:51] <SonikkuAmerica> hectorh30: Doesn't Ctrl+Alt+[Left and Right] do that? One second...
[15:55] <hectorh30> SonikkuAmerica, I've set that keys to move between desktops.. but I'd like to create a new one (and also destroy one) on demand
[15:55] <hectorh30> In XFCE I used to do that with ctrl + insert and ctrl + supr
[15:59] <SonikkuAmerica> You may wish to check this link out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2033467
[16:02] <hectorh30> SonikkuAmerica, that's what I was looking for.. many thanks
[16:02] <SonikkuAmerica> :) yw
[16:21] <koell> I always need to enter mys password on network manager, though I set all user rights in the settings. Any recommendations ?
[19:12] <honestemu> How do I get sound to come out of my second monitor instead of my laptop?
[19:12] <holstein> honestemu: ?
[19:12] <holstein> honestemu: what are the audio connections to the speakers?
[19:13] <honestemu> I'm connecting with an HDMI cable.
[19:13] <holstein> honestemu: hdmi can be problematic
[19:14] <holstein> honestemu: i would probably try a distro live with pulse to see if that helps.. something like xubuntu live.. if it "just works" then you can add pulse to lubuntu
[19:14] <holstein> otherwise, i usually just plug an analog audio cable up.. since HDMI may not work
[19:14] <holstein> you can try the usually steps.. routing in alsamixer in the terminal
[19:14] <holstein> !audio
[19:15] <holstein> i would, from lubuntu, open a terminal and run "alsamixer" and trust no labels
[20:02] <tamaroth_> Hey, I have a problem with my projector. I use e-Machnes V700 which is HD Read (720p) but when connected to my PC the only resolution I have is 800x600:60
[20:02] <tamaroth> xrandr shows it's the only possible mode for that output
[20:04] <tamaroth> Has anyone got any experience with dealing with projectors and/or resolutions that are not displayed
[20:06] <SonikkuAmerica> I do, but not with Lubuntu. For its lightweight size, much is sacrificed, including easily editing keyboard shortcuts.
[20:07] <SonikkuAmerica> But I'll try as best I can.
[20:07] <ianorlin> is it through a vga cable?
[20:07] <SonikkuAmerica> ^
[20:07] <SonikkuAmerica> (ianorlin: +1)
[20:09] <ianorlin> sometimes things don't support the higher resolutions they claim to through vga and get all spread wierd and distorted
[20:09] <ianorlin> also waht resolution is your monitor currently set to?
[20:11] <tamaroth> ianorlin: it's vga -> hdmi
[20:11] <tamaroth> monitor is full hd 1920x1200
[20:11] <tamaroth> projector is connected to another display port
[20:12] <tamaroth> so ubuntu sees it as a second monitor I guess
[20:12] <tamaroth> DVI-I-2 connected 800x600+1920+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm
[20:14] <ianorlin> is it your adapter cable has some wierd in built restriction?
[20:15] <SonikkuAmerica> So is that [M1:HDMI > DVI][M2:VGA > DVI]?
[20:16] <tamaroth> ianorlin: it works ok on Windows though
[20:17] <tamaroth> it's PC: DVI -> HDMI :Projector (if that makes any sense)
[20:17]  * ianorlin wonders if it is useing vesa for the driver for the projector
[20:17] <tamaroth> I don't know :(
[20:19] <tamaroth> Bah, I have to flee, I'll check the driver later ianorlin, thanks for the tip
[20:19] <tamaroth> toodles
[20:44] <Gatis> Hello
[20:45] <Gatis> I connected Windows Phone 8 to Lubuntu 13.10 and tried to move files insid SD card but i couldnt. I had error that its unsupported.. WHY?
[20:45] <Gatis> I Can copy files on Windows Phone 8 SD card
[20:45] <Gatis> But i cant move them inside SD Card
[20:46] <Gatis> Do you have any idea why?
[20:47] <Gatis> Tried google but couldnt get solution
[20:48] <ianorlin> what format is the sd card?
[20:49] <Gatis> NOt sure
[20:49] <Gatis> I formated it using Windows Phone 8
[20:51] <Gatis> Windows Phone 8 supports SDHC cards (in FAT file system format) or SDXC (in exFAT file system format)
[20:52] <Gatis> I have 8GB SD card insid
[20:53] <Gatis> WIndows Phone 8 connects to Lubuntu using MTP connection
[20:53] <Gatis> Is it ok?
[20:53] <ianorlin> I don't think exfat works with any linux really
[20:53] <ianorlin> because of patents
[20:54] <Gatis> But thing is i could copy on to SD Card and Delete from it. But i couldn't move files, for example ordering pictures in folders..
[20:54] <Gatis> I get like unsupported by backend...
[20:54] <Gatis> Something like that.
[20:55] <Gatis> "Operation not supported by backend"
[20:55] <ianorlin> are you using pcmanfm or terminal?
[20:55] <Gatis> pcmanfm
[20:55] <Gatis> Im not so advanced user :)
[20:58] <Gatis> Is it possible Windows Phone 8 limits moving files?
[20:58] <ianorlin> does the moving the files work on the phone?
[20:58] <Gatis> Well i cant do it on phone
[20:59] <Gatis> On Windows Phone 8 i dont have file manager
[20:59] <ianorlin> can you create folders? on the sd card?
[21:00] <Gatis> Yes
[21:00] <Gatis> Using Lubuntu
[21:00] <ianorlin> why not copy organize on comp then copy whole folders and clean up duplicates
[21:01] <Gatis> I can do that
[21:01] <Gatis> But its complicated sometimes
[21:01] <Gatis> ANyway
[21:01] <Gatis> Why shouldnt i be able to move files inside SD?
[21:05] <ianorlin> I think you should but this might be some wierd bug or depending on format
[21:05] <Gatis> hmm
[21:06] <Gatis> You said exFAT is not supported by linux
[21:06] <Gatis> That might be the case
[21:06] <Unit193> Fuse supports it at least.
[21:06] <Gatis> but i have SDHC card
[21:06] <Gatis> not SDXC
[21:06] <Gatis> so i have FAT propably
[21:07] <Gatis> I think i need windows :(
[21:09] <Gatis> Can you tell me how can i check SD format in Lubuntu?
[21:10] <ianorlin> disks utility under accesories but don't change anything
[21:12] <Gatis> It doesnt show up
[21:12] <Gatis> mtp://[usb:001,012]/
[21:12] <Gatis> heres connected my windows phone
[21:13] <Gatis> How can i make a screenshot?
[21:17] <Gatis> hello?
[21:17] <ianorlin> scrot from command line works
[21:17] <ianorlin> printscreen key also should
[21:20] <Gatis> Where does it save the picture?
[21:21] <ianorlin> home folder
[21:23] <Gatis> This is what i get moving picture to Christmas foldder inside SD card: http://i43.tinypic.com/2468htv.png
[21:24] <Gatis> Has this something to do with permissions?
[21:26] <Gatis> are you there?
[21:28] <Gatis> When i right click permissions on SD card, there's: View Content: Only owner / Change content: Nobody / Access content: Nobody
[21:29] <SonikkuAmerica> What is your SD card mounted under in PCManFM?
[21:30] <Gatis> My SD card is in Windows Phone 8
[21:30] <Gatis> I have connected my phone trough MTP connection
[21:30] <Gatis> I can copy on it, delete from it but i cant reorganize and move files, like pictures in folders
[21:31] <Gatis> I get this error when moving file inside SD: http://i43.tinypic.com/2468htv.png
[21:32] <Gatis> Im confused :(
[21:34] <Gatis> anyone?
[21:36] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh, it MTP'ed in from your device??
[21:37] <SonikkuAmerica> That's a completely different ballgame.
[21:37] <SonikkuAmerica> You don't have any SD card reader? (Not even a USB one?)
[21:37] <Gatis> SonikkuAmerica no
[21:37] <Gatis> BUt should it be a problem?
[21:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Well I don't know why your SD card is MTP'ed; I thought the SD card would be assigned a block device
[21:41] <Gatis> What does it mean?
[21:42] <Gatis> I read WIndows Phone supports MTP only
[21:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Gatis: What did you do, plug your phone in directly?
[21:46] <Gatis> Using usb cable
[21:46] <SonikkuAmerica> There's your problem. You're telling me it's an SD card when it's an MTP connection directly from your Windows Phone.
[21:47] <Gatis> Yes i can access my SD card like that
[21:47] <Gatis> Is there a problem with that?
[21:49] <Gatis> okay
[21:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Not a huge one, but I have no idea how to transfer files from your Windows Phone to Lubuntu (it's a permissions issue, as you indicated, but you can't just go in and change permissions like anyone's business...
[21:49] <SonikkuAmerica> )
[21:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Windows and Linux are 2 different things.
[21:49] <Gatis> But why it worked with androind phone and MTP connection?
[21:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Android is Linux-based.
[21:50] <ianorlin> android does not equal windows phone
[21:50] <Gatis> Is there a problem with SD format?
[21:50] <ianorlin> no I don't think so
[21:50] <Gatis> I dont know what format SD has android
[21:51] <SonikkuAmerica> I doubt it, but I think it would be easier if you plugged your SD card into your computer
[21:51] <SonikkuAmerica> (if it doesn't, get a USB SD reader, they're cheap)
[21:51] <Gatis> or windows
[21:52] <ianorlin> usb SD card reader is lot cheaper than windows
[21:52] <ianorlin> and there aren't bulky either
[21:52] <Gatis> but i have to say windows is life saver in situations like this
[21:53] <Gatis> But i dont understand why linux supports MTP connection
[21:53] <Gatis> If it does not work
[21:54] <Gatis> im not sure where is the error
[21:56] <Gatis> people
[21:57] <SonikkuAmerica> Uh... we're working on it.
[21:58] <SonikkuAmerica> OK, is this 13.10?
[21:58] <SonikkuAmerica> (It looks like it)
[22:02] <SonikkuAmerica> ianorlin: Well, we tried.