[00:07] <linux_noob> Hopefully someone here can help me, I just finished installing Ubuntu server 12.04
[00:08] <linux_noob> could not configure the network using the DHCP since I need a driver for my speedtouch adapter
[00:08] <linux_noob> So "sudo apt-get update" fails
[00:09] <linux_noob> in order to fix the plugin issue I followed these instructions http://techblog.mastbroek.com/all-articles/speedtouch-120g-adapter-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[00:09] <patdk-lap> at some point you where planning on asking a question?
[00:09] <patdk-lap> heh? what plugin issue?
[00:10] <linux_noob> but "sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree also" returns "unable to locate package"
[00:11] <linux_noob> question you say
[00:11] <linux_noob> well, I'm just generally lost here. Was hoping for some input :)
[00:12] <patdk-lap> well, that is cause it needs network access to install it
[00:14] <linux_noob> and since it can't find the package "linux-firmware-nonfree" (which should fix the internet issue) I guess I need to dl it from another cpu and move it to the "new linux" one
[00:15] <patdk-lap> or do it the simple way, install a temporay network adaptor that is supported
[00:15] <SaberX01> the package is in multiverse but no much good if you dont have inet access, need to fix that first.  Do you have any machine with inet access?
[00:17] <linux_noob> The one I'm using right now :) (windows) - My first linux exp. btw
[00:18] <SaberX01> linux_noob, have a look at Apt-Offline then: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Offline/Repository
[00:21] <linux_noob> And to make things a little more complicated I'm also receiving an error on startup " " - floppy
[00:22] <linux_noob> fd0 - blacklist has not helped there, but I'm guessing that its not the cause of my other troubles
[00:23] <linux_noob> Thanks for the info SaberX01, will surely try it
[09:17] <orogor> hi
[09:18] <orogor> anyone would knw why ifconfig is showing 0 traffic , when there s actually traffic on that interface ?
[09:18] <orogor> gkrellm and speedometer wont see anything but iftop will see something
[10:57] <Raboo> does all official ubuntu packages have a ppa that you can add using add-apt-repository ?
[10:57] <bekks> There are no official PPA.
[10:57] <Raboo> i want to add a saucy package to precies
[10:57] <Raboo> precise*
[10:57] <bekks> That may break your box.
[10:58] <Raboo> well i feel that the risk is small for that
[10:58] <Raboo> it's bup
[10:58] <Raboo> a python based backup software
[10:58] <Raboo> precise got a old version
[10:58] <bekks> Whatever it is, mixing distributions is a bad idea.
[10:58] <Raboo> ok
[10:59] <bekks> Then build a new version as a deb and install it.
[11:01] <Raboo> i don't know how to build deb packages.. can i get like a "build" file or something from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bup
[11:01] <Raboo> is it the xxxx.debian.tar.gz?
[11:04] <bekks> Raboo: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html
[11:07] <mardraum> why not just upgrade to saucy?
[11:08] <bekks> Or waiting until April and update to the next LTS, Tahr.
[11:09] <mardraum> I don't really get the attraction, but sure.
[15:46] <jamescarr> is there a friendlier endpoint or RSS feeds of AMI releases somewhere?
[15:46] <jamescarr> I am currently slurping http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/releasesTable?_=1388418182404#
[15:46] <jamescarr> and dealing with it
[15:46] <jamescarr> the JSON is unfriendly
[15:53] <Plizzo> Hello! I just created a new installation of Ubuntu server 13.10 and configured samba and avahi. Now I wanted to access it but eth0 is somehow named p2p1 and I can't access the server from other devices in the network. Any ideas?
[15:54] <Plizzo> Also, the server can reach other devices, but the other devices can't reach the server
[16:01] <x98server-admin> Hello what is the alternate for webmin
[16:01] <RoyK> Plizzo: the new naming of devices has been around for some time
[16:01] <RoyK> !webmin
[16:01] <jamescarr> for fraks sake
[16:01] <RoyK> x98server-admin: not sure - there was something around, but I'd suggest learning to administer by hand
[16:01] <jamescarr> don't use webmin
[16:02] <jamescarr> don't use things like webmin
[16:02] <x98server-admin> why
[16:02] <patdk-wk_> cause if you EVER have to do something it can't do
[16:02] <patdk-wk_> your screwed
[16:02] <RoyK> x98server-admin: it's not that hard to learn to edit the config files
[16:02] <jamescarr> I had a job before taking my current job where the admin installed webmin on all the boxes
[16:02] <jamescarr> one of the reasons I left
[16:03] <jamescarr> thanks, but no thanks
[16:03] <x98server-admin> yea but i am a first time server guy with some experiance
[16:03] <RoyK> x98server-admin: webmin and friends are just shortcuts, and for all shortcuts, it lacks reliability
[16:03] <RoyK> x98server-admin: what are you trying to do?
[16:03] <RoyK> better ask for that, and we might be able to help you ;)
[16:03] <x98server-admin> administrate my server
[16:04] <RoyK> what services?
[16:04] <RoyK> adding/removing users? setting up samba? apache?
[16:04] <x98server-admin> ftp samba media storage apache
[16:04] <RoyK> well, start with what you're trying to do now
[16:04] <x98server-admin> Plus other
[16:05] <RoyK> x98server-admin: just - step by step - learn it
[16:05] <x98server-admin> Nothing at the moment but many peole told me to remove webmin so i wqs asking if there is a alt of it
[16:06] <jamescarr> x98server-admin: they told you to remove it for good reason :)
[16:06] <RoyK> x98server-admin: just don't use webmin - learn the basics first
[16:06] <jamescarr> x98server-admin: it tells me that you have competent people there. Ask them to teach you what you don't know?
[16:06] <x98server-admin> I know the basic commands
[16:07] <jamescarr> I've always been more than happy to mentor our newbies :)
[16:07] <x98server-admin> So
[16:07] <RoyK> x98server-admin: just start with the service you want to setup first
[16:07] <x98server-admin> Can i admin my win pc through my server
[16:08] <RoyK> probably not
[16:08] <x98server-admin> Wait one sec let me  get on my server
[16:08] <RoyK> that is, if you mean windows policies, that probably won't work from a linux box
[16:09] <x98server-admin> Im using my tablet wait a sec plz
[16:09] <jamescarr> RoyK: maybe he wants to use his puppet master to provision his windows servers? If that's the case he can
[16:10] <jamescarr> I doubt that is what he wants to do though! :)
[16:10] <RoyK> jamescarr: hehe - he seems like a newbie, so pushing him (or her) headfirst into puppet might not be a good start ;)
[16:11] <x98server-admin> Head first seems good ;)
[16:11] <patdk-wk_> you should always sample first, before going in head first
[16:12] <RoyK> x98server-admin: really - ask what you're trying to do, specific to the service, and you may get help
[16:12] <x98server-admin> Kk
[16:14] <x98server-admin> ok i am in m server
[16:15] <x98server-admin> how do i remove webmin
[16:15] <RoyK> apt-get purge webmin # ?
[16:15] <patdk-wk_> how was it installed?
[16:15] <x98server-admin> by apt-get
[16:15] <RoyK> seems it's not there on my 12.04 box
[16:15] <patdk-wk_> ya,  Iwas pretty sure it was removed years ago
[16:16] <RoyK> perhaps there's a ppa out there :P
[16:16] <RoyK> x98server-admin: did you use a ppa?
[16:17] <x98server-admin> maybe but don't think so
[16:17] <patdk-wk_> dpkg -l | grep webmin
[16:17] <x98server-admin> but i have done sudo apt-get purge webmin
[16:18] <x98server-admin> it removed step 1 done :)
[16:18] <RoyK> x98server-admin: did you do much admin stuff with webmin before you nuked it?
[16:18] <x98server-admin> i did user creation proftpd system health and other
[16:19] <RoyK> hopefully it didn't do much harm
[16:19] <x98server-admin> lol
[16:19] <RoyK> now - with webmin gone - what do you try to achive?
[16:20] <x98server-admin> so what can i do to see m system usage without using m server
[16:20] <patdk-wk_> define system usage?
[16:20] <patdk-wk_> cpu? memory? disk? ....
[16:20] <RoyK> patdk-wk_++
[16:20] <x98server-admin> ram useage cpu uptime tings like that
[16:20] <patdk-wk_> cacti? munin? ....
[16:20] <x98server-admin> what ?
[16:21] <RoyK> x98server-admin: ram: free, cpu: top/sar/something, uptime: uptime
[16:21] <x98server-admin> munin ??????
[16:21] <patdk-wk_> well, basics, are, uptime, vmstat, iostat, df
[16:21] <RoyK> x98server-admin: learn the basic tools first, move to webstuff later
[16:21] <x98server-admin> yea useful info like that
[16:21] <patdk-wk_> if you want pretty graphs, cacti or munin
[16:22] <x98server-admin> but how would i view them
[16:22] <patdk-wk_> view what?
[16:22] <x98server-admin> these graphs
[16:22] <x98server-admin> without going to m server
[16:22] <patdk-wk_> ie? firefox? chrome? opera?
[16:22] <x98server-admin> damm Y key stuck
[16:23] <RoyK> x98server-admin: munin and cacti etc are tools that create webgraphs
[16:24] <RoyK> x98server-admin: just don't worry about that now
[16:24] <x98server-admin> oh kk
[16:24] <RoyK> x98server-admin: setup the server first and do the monitoring later
[16:24] <x98server-admin> kk server is installed
[16:24] <RoyK> all services working?
[16:24] <patdk-wk_> setting up the minitoring collection server is always a pain
[16:25] <patdk-wk_> but after that is up, setting up more servers is easy to monitor
[16:25] <x98server-admin> how do i ckeck my services
[16:25] <x98server-admin> taskman
[16:25] <RoyK> x98server-admin: ps?
[16:25] <patdk-wk_> depends on the service
[16:26] <x98server-admin> ps shows bash and ps
[16:26] <RoyK> x98server-admin: ps fax
[16:26] <patdk-wk_> ps ax
[16:26] <x98server-admin> kk much better :0
[16:26] <x98server-admin> so ftp
[16:27] <RoyK> x98server-admin: firstly, for what do you need ftp?
[16:27] <x98server-admin> also what does tty mean
[16:27] <RoyK> it's old and insecure
[16:27] <patdk-wk_> ftp should die
[16:27] <x98server-admin> ok :)
[16:27] <RoyK> ftp over ssh works well
[16:27] <patdk-wk_> it's extreemly insecure, and lots of viruses created to look for ftp passwords and steal them
[16:27] <x98server-admin> what should i use for file sharing
[16:28] <patdk-wk_> depends what you mean by filesharing
[16:28] <RoyK> anonymous ftp is ok, but using ftp with user/pass is bad, very bad
[16:28] <RoyK> use ftp over ssh with filezilla or similar clients
[16:28] <patdk-wk_> normally sftp replaces ftp for upload/download security
[16:28] <x98server-admin> media (videos, pics, music) Documents programs
[16:28] <RoyK> sftp as in ftp over ssh
[16:29] <x98server-admin> + other stuff
[16:29] <RoyK> for normal use, just create a user (useradd -m username) and create a password (passwd username)
[16:29] <RoyK> then sftp works out of the box
[16:29] <patdk-wk_> royk, please though, ftp over ssh != sftp
[16:29] <RoyK> patdk-wk_: ftp over ssh is very easy to setup, though ;)
[16:29] <patdk-wk_> sftp is not ftp compatable or ftp like, at all
[16:30] <x98server-admin> my house has many pc's
[16:30] <patdk-wk_> ftp over ssh would just be evil
[16:30] <RoyK> patdk-wk_: sftp == ftp over ssh
[16:30] <patdk-wk_> no
[16:30] <RoyK> no?
[16:30] <patdk-wk_> sftp is not ftp
[16:30] <Lizards|Work> speaking of, hypothetically (okay actually), i want to set up public key authentication for SSH/FTP
[16:30] <Lizards|Work> sftp is authentication over ssh, then ftp after
[16:30] <patdk-wk_> no
[16:30] <RoyK> well, sftp runs over ssh
[16:30] <x98server-admin> i need my laptop (server) to get the files and put them on my mac (bigger stoarge)
[16:31] <RoyK> patdk-wk_: what sort of sftp are you talking about? ftp over ssl?
[16:31] <patdk-wk_> sftp using ssh is not ftp
[16:31] <patdk-wk_> it is not ftps
[16:31] <Lizards|Work> is it a file transfer protocol?
[16:31] <RoyK> well, no, but it uses ssh as transport
[16:32] <RoyK> patdk-wk_: perhaps I've misunderstood something there :P
[16:32] <x98server-admin> kk
[16:32] <x98server-admin> i need my laptop (server) to get the files and put them on my mac (bigger stoarge)
[16:32] <patdk-wk_> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secsh-filexfer-13
[16:32] <Lizards|Work> (it did get a little pedantic)
[16:32] <patdk-wk_> is nothing like ftp rfc
[16:32] <RoyK> patdk-wk_: ok
[16:32] <Lizards|Work> an rfc is a request for comment
[16:32] <Lizards|Work> not a gospel
[16:32] <Lizards|Work> ;)
[16:33] <RoyK> Lizards|Work: all rfc's are ;)
[16:33] <patdk-wk_> that sftp isn't even an rfc yet
[16:33] <Lizards|Work> good old 2324
[16:33] <RoyK> :)
[16:34] <x98server-admin> ok that matter aside :)
[16:34] <patdk-wk_> hmm, my screens went blank, how strange
[16:35] <RoyK> x98server-admin: just create a user and try sftp or filezilla
[16:35] <Lizards|Work> or scp
[16:35] <x98server-admin> how do i use sftp/scp
[16:35] <patdk-wk_> scp requires shell access
[16:36] <Lizards|Work> i missed the definition of the issue
[16:36] <RoyK> patdk-wk_: works with rssh, though
[16:37] <patdk-wk_> doesn't work if you don't give a user shell access :)
[16:37] <RoyK> x98server-admin: if you don't want your users to have shell access, setup rssh, google it ;)
[16:37] <RoyK> patdk-wk_: rssh isn't really like shell access
[16:37] <patdk-wk_> oh, I had issues with that
[16:37] <x98server-admin> ftp should be fine my laptop has 2 connections 1 to the internet and 1 though a local connection with no internet
[16:37] <Lizards|Work> isn't rssh what kevin mitnick used to hack... uh... i think it was IBM
[16:38] <ziyourenxiang> that was rsh
[16:38] <Lizards|Work> right
[16:38] <Lizards|Work> rlogin
[16:38] <RoyK> rsh != rssh ;)
[16:38] <patdk-wk_> oh, rssh doesn't support chroot, that is why
[16:38] <Lizards|Work> i know
[16:38] <RoyK> patdk-wk_: it does
[16:38] <Lizards|Work> i was misrememberhing
[16:39] <ziyourenxiang> there is also scponly
[16:39] <RoyK> patdk-wk_: we're using it extensively at work for student access, all chrooted
[16:39] <ziyourenxiang> not kevin mitnick, i think it was the morris worm you are thinking of.
[16:40] <patdk-wk_> royk, ya, I don't like coping all that stuff into the user folders
[16:40] <Lizards|Work> he social engineered somebody into writing an rlogin file for him
[16:40] <patdk-wk_> restriction to sftp solves that though
[16:41] <ziyourenxiang> maybe it was kevin mitnick too. :-) that tsutomo takedown thing. session hijacking.
[16:41] <ziyourenxiang> this was like aeons ago.
[16:41] <RoyK> 1988
[16:42] <Lizards|Work> right
[16:42] <Lizards|Work> before the dawn of time
[16:42] <RoyK> hehe
[16:42] <x98server-admin> i dont need rssh or scp or sftp
[16:42] <RoyK> x98server-admin: it's easier that way
[16:43] <RoyK> x98server-admin: if you want somewhat secure logins
[16:43] <x98server-admin> but its going through a local network with no internet
[16:44] <RoyK> then just install proftpd or vsftpd or something
[16:44] <RoyK> vsftpd is good imho
[16:44] <ziyourenxiang> home wifi? so your neighbours, the TLA and the FLA can hear.
[16:44] <Lizards|Work> ++vsftpd
[16:44] <RoyK> but then - setting up ssh accounts aren't very hard
[16:45] <RoyK> x98server-admin: just try setting up accounts and tell your friends to use filezilla
[16:45] <RoyK> x98server-admin: it's easy indeed
[16:45] <jamescarr> sftp is easy to setup
[16:45] <x98server-admin> kk what to do next ?? thinking
[16:45] <RoyK> x98server-admin: or even - if it's on a closed network with windows machine, use samba
[16:45] <jamescarr> heh, I think I'd have a harder time installing ftp than I would sftp
[16:45] <Lizards|Work> ._.
[16:46] <x98server-admin> ftp was eas to install
[16:46] <Lizards|Work> sudo apt-get install vsftp
[16:46] <patdk-wk_> heh, making ftp work is a pain
[16:46] <patdk-wk_> defining ports for it
[16:46] <RoyK> Lizards|Work: no need for an apt-get install for sftp to work ;)
[16:46] <patdk-wk_> making sure it works through nat and crap
[16:46] <x98server-admin> do i need to do  sudo apt-get install vsftp
[16:46] <RoyK> Lizards|Work: it just works once you've installed ssh
[16:47] <Lizards|Work> i wasn't sure if vsftp was default installed ;)
[16:47] <RoyK> it's not
[16:47] <x98server-admin> cant find it
[16:47] <RoyK> find what?
[16:47] <x98server-admin> E: Unable to locate package vsftp
[16:48] <RoyK> vsftpd
[16:48] <Lizards|Work> E:
[16:48] <RoyK> but then - no need for that
[16:48] <RoyK> just use sftp
[16:48] <RoyK> it works out of the box
[16:48] <x98server-admin> kk take me through the setup :)
[16:48] <RoyK>  
[16:48] <RoyK> done
[16:48] <x98server-admin> kk good
[16:49] <x98server-admin>  how do i config it
[16:49] <RoyK> then try with filezilla
[16:49] <x98server-admin> .
[16:49] <x98server-admin> ..
[16:49] <RoyK> default config is to allow all users access to whatever they can access based on file permissions
[16:49] <patdk-wk_> the only config you would need to do, is limit users to sftp only, or chroot if you wanted to
[16:49] <x98server-admin> kk thats ok so that is setup
[16:49] <RoyK> x98server-admin: try with filezilla
[16:50] <x98server-admin> i use that normaly
[16:50] <Lizards|Work> chroot jail all da noobs!
[16:50] <RoyK> Lizards|Work: let him see it works first ;)
[16:50] <x98server-admin> something is stuck my "Y" key
[16:50] <patdk-wk_> man sshd_config
[16:51] <RoyK> x98server-admin: hard to fix that over irc ;)
[16:51] <x98server-admin> lol
[16:51] <x98server-admin> i see i just need to remove
[16:52] <RoyK> remove what?
[16:52] <Lizards|Work> the y key
[16:52] <x98server-admin> ea i broke it
[16:52] <x98server-admin> crap
[16:52]  * RoyK hands x98server-admin a hammer
[16:53]  * Lizards|Work gets the duck tape and wd-40
[16:53] <w0rmie> how can i erase a LVM crypted disk to perform a new ubuntu-server installation?
[16:53] <x98server-admin> wait a sec
[16:53] <x98server-admin> with a y key
[16:54] <x98server-admin> trough the install ?
[16:55] <patdk-wk_> w0rmie, erase?
[16:56] <RoyK> w0rmie: should be quite easy to remove the old thing first ;)
[16:56] <patdk-wk_> dunno why one would even bother
[16:56] <patdk-wk_> just tell the new install to write a new partition table
[16:57] <w0rmie> you mean disabling the encrypted mode first?
[16:57] <RoyK> yeo
[16:57] <RoyK> yep
[16:58] <w0rmie> what about using gparted format?
[16:59] <x98server-admin> postimg.org/image/8n7f0hqgi/e4f65084 (m broken ke )
[17:00] <Lizards|Work> should be able to pop up the on screen keyboard
[17:00] <Lizards|Work> annoying as all get-out
[17:00] <Lizards|Work> but you can at least use the letter y
[17:00] <x98server-admin> postimg.org/image/8n7f0hqgie4f65084
[17:00] <x98server-admin> sorry
[17:00] <Lizards|Work> =p
[17:00] <x98server-admin> postimg.org/image/8n7f0hqgj/e4f65084
[17:01] <x98server-admin> have a look at my broken key
[17:01] <Lizards|Work> my key, look at it
[17:01] <x98server-admin> i am using the rubber bit still there to use the "Y" key
[17:03] <x98server-admin> ok so what else should i do/setup on my server
[17:04] <x98server-admin> i have given up i will fix the y key later
[17:04] <x98server-admin> so apache how do i set that up for lan
[17:05] <Lizards|Work> http://localhost
[17:06] <x98server-admin> kk yea i remember i have done that through webmin
[17:07] <x98server-admin> so how can i store + upload/download files from the server else where (eg school)
[17:07] <Lizards|Work> dyndns?
[17:07] <x98server-admin> what is that
[17:08] <x98server-admin> static dns
[17:08] <x98server-admin> ?
[17:08] <Lizards|Work> you need to get your external IP, if you don't have a static IP, idk
[17:08] <mbnoimi> I'm looking for very small Ubuntu server edition for using it under free diskapce less than 900MB with RAM256... Does ubuntu-mini-remix is the one?
[17:09] <x98server-admin> so like my public ip
[17:09] <x98server-admin> mboini ckeck the on the site ?
[17:10] <mbnoimi> x98server-admin: what?
[17:10] <x98server-admin> mboimi: check on google what spec it is
[17:10] <x98server-admin> spec it needs
[17:10] <mbnoimi> x98server-admin: I googled before post my question here!!!
[17:11] <x98server-admin> what about gentoo
[17:11] <mbnoimi> x98server-admin: I'm accustomed to Ubuntu based distros
[17:12] <Lizards|Work> debian
[17:12] <x98server-admin> ok but gentoo like ubuntu-mini-remix it a distro u can build on
[17:12] <Lizards|Work> surely you mean debian based
[17:12] <ogra_> mbnoimi, a minimal server install should work fine on these specs
[17:12] <mbnoimi> Lizards|Work: yes, debian
[17:12] <Lizards|Work> probably no GUI ;)
[17:13] <mbnoimi> ogra_: What do u mean?
[17:13] <mbnoimi> Lizards|Work: certainly I don't need any GUI
[17:13] <x98server-admin> mbnoini: y should really think on getting a bigger hdd or sss
[17:13] <x98server-admin> ssd
[17:13] <ogra_> mbnoimi, just a normal ubuntu server install should work under these specs as long as you dont select a ton of additional stuff in the tasksel setp during installation
[17:13] <ogra_> *step
[17:14] <x98server-admin> what are u planning to do whith it
[17:14] <mbnoimi> ogra_: but the iso of server edition already about 800MB!!!
[17:14] <ogra_> really depends what additional data or services you want to put on it
[17:14] <x98server-admin> it has extra stuff thats why
[17:14] <ogra_> mbnoimi, the iso brings all packages you can possibly install
[17:15] <Lizards|Work> server edition ISO has all the GUI components too
[17:15] <ogra_> the installed system should be under 400M
[17:15] <x98server-admin> mbnoimi: what u planing to do with it
[17:15] <ogra_> Lizards|Work, it doesnt
[17:15] <Lizards|Work> thought it did
[17:15] <Lizards|Work> that might be the dvd i'm thinking of
[17:15] <ogra_> yeah
[17:15] <mbnoimi> x98server-admin: I want to use it for Zentyal + OpenVPN only
[17:15] <x98server-admin> kk
[17:16] <mbnoimi> ogra_: I can't use the standard server edition because it's already too big to install
[17:16] <ogra_> mbnoimi, how do you mean ?
[17:17] <ogra_> mbnoimi, it wont take more than 500M
[17:17] <ogra_> (rather less than 400 i think)
[17:17] <Lizards|Work> are you trying to install to a VM or something?
[17:17] <mbnoimi> ogra_: are you sure that server edition will not take more than 400M?
[17:18] <ogra_> mbnoimi, dont judge it by the iso size ;) the iso brings a copy of the archive that you wont use at all
[17:18] <x98server-admin> RoyK: would  Zentya be a alternate for webmin
[17:18] <x98server-admin>  Zentyal
[17:18] <mbnoimi> Lizards|Work: no, actually I install it under a PC built my me
[17:19] <x98server-admin> bad pc spce
[17:19] <patdk-wk_> !ebox
[17:19] <Lizards|Work> i was just trying to figure out logic for the tiny install
[17:19] <x98server-admin> spec
[17:19] <ogra_> mbnoimi, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ ... the "mini.iso" has the actual installer components without any packages
[17:19] <Lizards|Work> like if you had to load the ISO to the drive before installing
[17:19] <x98server-admin> mbnoimi: why such a low spec pc
[17:20] <ogra_> mbnoimi, thats about the same that is on the server iso, just without the archive that is shipped on the server iso
[17:20] <mbnoimi> Lizards|Work, x98server-admin: because I install Ubuntu under memory not HD hehehe
[17:20] <patdk-wk_> if, you use a 2gig disk, the minimal-install will be <500megs disk used
[17:21] <Lizards|Work> ramdisk is cool and all, but i was just trying to figure out logic
[17:21] <x98server-admin> yea
[17:21] <mbnoimi> ogra_: does mini.iso available for Ubutnu 12.04?
[17:21] <RoyK> x98server-admin: vim is my alterantive to webmin ;)
[17:21] <ogra_> mbnoimi, just replace "saucy" with "precise" in the url
[17:21] <patdk-wk_> hire sysadmin, is alternative to webmin
[17:22] <mbnoimi> ogra_: thanks I'll try to use mini.iso
[17:22] <ogra_> patdk-wk_, hmm, do you think thats opensource ? :)
[17:22] <x98server-admin> Royk: don't u mean nano :)
[17:22] <patdk-wk_> open source sysadmin? sure
[17:22] <RoyK> x98server-admin: no, I do not ;)
[17:22] <Lizards|Work> no, it's spelled V-I-M
[17:22] <Lizards|Work> ;)
[17:22] <patdk-wk_> damned women keep pushing them out every year
[17:22] <x98server-admin> Royk: no pretty colours
[17:22] <Lizards|Work> vim has pretty colors ;)
[17:22] <RoyK> x98server-admin: lots of pretty colours in vim ;)
[17:23] <RoyK> nano sucks big time ;)
[17:23] <x98server-admin> RoyK: nano is the best :0
[17:23] <Lizards|Work> nano isn't for me
[17:23] <RoyK> well, until you've learned vim...
[17:23] <x98server-admin> no colours for y then
[17:24] <Lizards|Work> you can turn the colors off. :syntax off
[17:24] <RoyK> x98server-admin: lots of colours in vim, beleive me
[17:24] <x98server-admin> i know
[17:24] <x98server-admin> i configed my vnc in vim
[17:30] <x98server-admin> im going to try zentyal
[17:30] <x98server-admin> for my self
[17:31] <x98server-admin> ahh that 712mb of ram
[17:31] <Lizards|Work> <.<
[17:31] <Lizards|Work> i can't do that anymore
[17:32] <Lizards|Work> too many IDEs open to live with less than 16GB
[17:32] <x98server-admin> yea go ide hdds
[17:34] <x98server-admin> and that 1.4 ghz intel celeron m with 1mb of l2 cache  kicking in
[17:36] <x98server-admin> error http://paste.ubuntu.com/6663879/
[17:38] <x98server-admin> see ya
[17:48] <RoyK> heh - server based on a celewrong with 1GB ram
[17:48] <RoyK> well, tough luck
[17:49]  * ogra_ runs several machines with a lot less in his house 
[17:50] <patdk-wk_> hmm
[17:51] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/watchthesun/ ... runs on a 600MHz celeron/256M off a 2G sub key
[17:51] <Lizards|Work> rasp pi anyone?
[17:51] <patdk-wk_> I don't have a single machine lower than a dual core 2.8ghz with 4gigs ram anymore
[17:51] <patdk-wk_> no r-pi's here
[17:51] <Lizards|Work> so many rasp pi
[17:51] <ogra_> take a beaglebone black instead, that can at least run ubuntu :P
[17:51] <RoyK> rpi doesn't work too well with ubuntu
[17:51] <Lizards|Work> debian though
[17:51] <Lizards|Work> that's enough for me ;)
[17:52] <ogra_> no, raspbian
[17:52] <RoyK> same thing
[17:52] <Lizards|Work> tomato potato
[17:52] <ogra_> not the same thing
[17:52] <Lizards|Work> it's armv6 debian
[17:52] <RoyK> i know
[17:52] <ogra_> its a complete recompile with different compiler options
[17:52] <Lizards|Work> it has to be a recompile, it's armv6
[17:52] <ogra_> which might or might not cause unwanted issues
[17:53] <RoyK> guess my next server will be on debian
[17:53] <RoyK> ubuntu has too many issues
[17:53] <ogra_> does it ?
[17:53]  * ogra_ never had any
[17:53] <RoyK> lots of stuff not fixed
[17:53] <Lizards|Work> heh
[17:53] <Lizards|Work> our production servers are all CentOS
[17:54] <Lizards|Work> for... reasons.
[17:54] <RoyK> same here - but debian is dead stable
[17:54] <RoyK> ubuntu is a bit cutting edge
[17:54] <Lizards|Work> centOS is dead stable ;)
[17:54] <RoyK> indeed
[17:54] <Lizards|Work> like no updates
[17:54] <Lizards|Work> dead
[17:55] <Lizards|Work> but stable
[17:55] <RoyK> not
[17:55] <Lizards|Work> backports of security patches
[17:55] <Lizards|Work> not updates lol
[17:56] <RoyK> RHEL and centos focus on stability, not updates
[17:56] <Lizards|Work> fedora though
[17:57]  * ogra_ doesnt really get what issues you guys have with ubuntu server ... especially in the light that many high load sites use it 
[17:58] <Lizards|Work> i don't have any issue
[17:58] <ogra_> (not to mention that it by far smarts out any fedora based installs in the cloud)
[17:58] <Lizards|Work> uh
[17:58] <ogra_> (which admittedly has not much to do with real world HW servers)
[17:58] <Lizards|Work> it's not really apples to apples
[17:59] <ogra_> well, server Sw is server SW :)
[17:59] <ogra_> the more users it has the more feedback devs get (bugs ... patches)
[18:14] <MrAndy> How is it possible for me to link 9 extra IP addresses beside the main one?
[18:14] <Lizards|Work> NAT
[18:15] <MrAndy> And how does that work with a VPS?
[18:15] <Lizards|Work> yes.
[18:15] <MrAndy> I mean, how does it work?
[18:15] <Lizards|Work> right. i'd have to do some googling.
[18:16] <Lizards|Work> it depends on what you need to do with the extra IP addresses
[18:16] <Lizards|Work> are they for failover/availability/redundancy/BGP?
[18:17] <MrAndy> Just normal IP addresses that has a use for a znc server.
[18:18] <MrAndy> Then made into subdomains with dns/rdns.
[18:19] <MrAndy> Lizards|Work, it's an easy question. The 9 extra IP addresses I have I want to work as the 1'st.
[18:20] <Lizards|Work> are these internal or external IP addresses?
[18:22] <MrAndy> external
[18:23] <Lizards|Work> i would look into linux NAT, i've only ever done cisco NAT
[19:08] <MrAndy> What does the 'Network' parameter mean in /etc/network/interfaces?
[19:09] <mattintech> ce /etc/network/interfaces
[19:09] <mattintech> oops.
[19:15] <w0rmie> is there a way to create a eth0 interface instead of p2p1?
[19:42] <ikonia> w0rmie: it's just a udev rule
[19:42] <ikonia> w0rmie: why does it matter the device name ?
[19:46] <w0rmie> i would work with isc-dhcp-server, is it ok if i set p2p1 as interface on dhcp server settings?
[19:46] <ikonia> yes
[19:46] <ikonia> it's just a device name
[19:47] <w0rmie> even the p2p1 entry doesn't show in the 70-persistent-net-rules?
[19:50] <ikonia> why does that matter ?
[19:50] <w0rmie> i am just trying to master my parameters thats all :)
[19:53] <ikonia> it has 1 parameters, listen interface
[19:54] <ikonia> why is this being made a big deal out of, point it at the interface you want it to listen on
[19:54] <ikonia> what does udev rules have to do with it
[23:25] <knoxy> Hi all. I'm trying to boot my server after kernel upgrade and I get message kernel panic "Cannot open root device unknown-block(0,0)". Is possible to restore this installation?
[23:27] <markthomas> knoxy: You can use the grub menu to select the previous kernel
[23:27] <markthomas> knoxy: Do you use a /boot partition?
[23:28] <knoxy> markthomas, is a default installation (datacenter installation) of my dedicated server.
[23:28] <knoxy> markthomas, how can I do to select the previous kernel?
[23:29] <markthomas> knoxy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1718918
[23:31] <stetho> Wonder if anyone can help me. For the past couple of days I've been trying to create my own local Ubuntu mirror. I've tried apt-mirror and rsync methods and various different source mirrors around the world. Every time the process gets to pool/main/g/gdb/gdb_7.4-2012.04.orig.tar.bz2 and stops. Just hangs while copying this file and I cannot figure out why.
[23:32] <markthomas> stetho: For troubleshooting, have you tried to --exclude= that file?
[23:32] <markthomas> i.e. via rsync
[23:39] <knoxy> markthomas, great, I can boot the machine using previous kernel... but I remove the new kernel and reboot the machine...
[23:39] <knoxy> markthomas, I dont set update-grub.... omg
[23:40] <markthomas> knoxy: you will want to set the kernel that is booted, if the latest is not the default.  The next challenge, though, is to figure out why the most recent kernel wouldn't boot.
[23:40] <stetho> markthomas: No - I'll try it now. Takes a few minutes....
[23:40] <markthomas> stetho: I don't doubt it.
[23:46] <knoxy> markthomas, is possible to change the 'menuentry' in /boot/grub/grub.cfg and remove the entries of my crashed kernel?
[23:47] <bekks> knoxy: Just uninstall the crashing kernel
[23:47] <knoxy> this action can stop my server in boot? or is the solution to remove this kernel of the boot? because I remove this crashed kernel using apt-get, but it is listed in menuentry
[23:47] <knoxy> bekks, the crashed kernel is listed in grub.cfg and in boot
[23:47] <markthomas> knoxy: I guess it depends on whether you are planning to trace down the cause in short order, as I suggested, and how often you expect the server to reboot.
[23:48] <bekks> knoxy: Pastebin ls -lha /boot/ then please.
[23:48] <markthomas> knoxy: If the answers are "yes" and "not often", then just set the default boot entry (I believe it's in /etc/default/grub) and start working on the cause of the boot problem.
[23:50] <knoxy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6665699/
[23:50] <bekks> then use apt-get purge to get rid of it.
[23:51] <markthomas> knoxy: you probably don't need to purge.
[23:51] <knoxy> root@srv01:/boot# dpkg -l | grep 3.8.0
[23:51] <knoxy> root@srv01:/boot#
[23:51] <markthomas> knoxy: you're missing the relevant initrd file.
[23:51] <knoxy> no packages
[23:51] <TJ-> knoxy: As I suspected... you are missing the initrd.img for 3.8
[23:51] <TJ-> knoxy: You're the 2nd person in 2 days to have that issue after a 3.8 kernel update
[23:52] <bekks> knoxy: Pastebin df -h please
[23:52] <knoxy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6665709/
[23:55] <stetho> markthomas: It's sailed straight past. On to gstreamer now. So there's something wrong with gdb_7.4-2012.04.orig.tar.bz2 in every mirror.
[23:55] <markthomas> knoxy: please try update-initramfs -c -k 3.8.0-33
[23:55] <stetho> Obviously, being mirrors, not really a surprise. But a bit odd that gdb_7.4-2012.04.orig.tar.bz2 would hang rsync and apt-mirror?
[23:55] <markthomas> stetho: Not sure.  But it does narrow things down a bit.
[23:56] <knoxy> markthomas, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6665721/
[23:56] <markthomas> knoxy: Okay, try -k all
[23:57] <markthomas> knoxy: and make sure you have the -c
[23:57] <knoxy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6665725/
[23:58] <TJ-> knoxy: markthomas That should be "update-initramfs -ck 3.8.0-33-generic"
[23:58] <markthomas> TJ-: I wouldn't expect that to matter, but okay.
[23:59] <knoxy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6665736/