[08:03] <tvoss_> j-b, ping
[08:27] <j-b> tvoss_: pong
[09:07] <j-b> lool: ping
[09:08] <M4dH4TT3r> pong
[10:03] <lobomie> anyone's got news about instant messenger and mail client? Any progress?
[12:38] <ozberk> hi guys I have tested ubuntu touch on my galaxy nexus cia dualboot and I cans say it just sucks :) yet
[12:39] <ozberk> system is running so slow and some applicitations are not work (such as camera and media scanner )
[12:39] <ozberk> system booted normally but it was a bit scary because there is no boot animation
[12:40] <ozberk> sound controlers are not be able to work yet and there is no settins tab
[12:40] <ogra_> what exactly did you install ... using trusty-proposed here it is slow but bearable
[12:41] <ozberk> I used the ubuntu installer app the steps below with this wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation
[12:41] <ogra_> volume control and settings definitely work for me
[12:42] <ozberk> and the channel is trusty
[12:42] <ogra_> that should be fine then
[12:42] <ogra_> strange that it seems to break with dual boot
[12:42] <ozberk> do you use Gnex
[12:42] <Rienzilla> it works fine on my nexus4
[12:42] <ogra_> too, yes
[12:42] <Rienzilla> the only real drawback is the lack of apps :-)
[12:42] <ogra_> the driver is a lot slower on the maguro ....
[12:43] <ogra_> so yeah, it is slow, but still at a usable state imho
[12:43] <ozberk> I hope the developers will fix it soon I will keep ubuntu on my phone for that
[12:43] <ogra_> we might drop maguro from the supported set at some point
[12:43] <ogra_> going forward with an android 4.4 base
[12:44] <ozberk> so galaxy nexus will not be able to supported by ubuntu
[12:44] <j-b> Rienzilla: apps will come, no?
[12:44] <ozberk> because of the android working policy ?
[12:44] <ogra_> ozberk, well, it wont see optimization
[12:45] <ogra_> it is very likely that we start to support the N5 and the 2013 N7 .... for that the maguro will likely be dropped
[12:45] <ozberk> well then I will delete it with ubuntu installer too if you are not gonne update it anymore :)
[12:45] <ogra_> we will surely update it
[12:45] <ogra_> it wont be removed or anything
[12:45] <ozberk> then what does ''drop'' it in here
[12:45] <ogra_> but it wont get as much attention as it does atm
[12:45] <ogra_> and not be an officially supported device anymore
[12:46] <ogra_> (fixes would have to come from the community)
[12:46] <ozberk> classic technology marketing :D
[12:46] <ogra_> no, usin the available developer resources properly :P
[12:47] <ozberk> same thing ubuntu is not the lead android device politics Android and Google leds it
[12:47] <ogra_> the arch wont be dropped and images will be built, but devs wont focus on fixing it (like they do now) because they will work on other prots
[12:47] <ozberk> if Android decided to drop a devicethen ubuntu do the sate thing I guess
[12:47] <ozberk> same*
[12:48] <ogra_> we have the code to support the maguro ... i doubt it will get removed ... supporting an arch mean hours of testing invested etc
[12:48] <Rienzilla> j-b: I guess so
[12:48] <ogra_> and focusing on fixing HW specific bugs
[12:48] <ogra_> both of these wont happen if the team focuses on new hardware
[12:49] <ogra_> but that doesnt mman patches for fixes wont be accepted etc
[12:49] <ogra_> *mean
[12:49] <ogra_> it will just not get the same attention it has nnow
[12:49] <ozberk> well how about that the legendary Galaxy Nexus is an ''old hardware'' :D
[12:50] <ogra_> it surely is :)
[12:50] <ogra_> compared to the others
[12:51] <ogra_> the point is that the full time dev resources are limited .... and focus has to be put somewhere
[12:51] <ozberk> cyanogen mod is ported the 4.4 on Gnex it's on nightly but works like stable now :)
[12:51] <ogra_> right, that will most likely be the base for the maguro in the furture too
[12:51] <j-b> Rienzilla: which ones are the most missing?
[12:51] <ogra_> but that wont help with i.e. speeding up Mir
[12:52] <ozberk> ok I will uninstall ubuntu from the ubuntu istaller safetly
[12:52] <ogra_> this will need HW specific focus and patches
[12:52] <ogra_> which will have to come from the community ... in case we drop it
[12:52] <ozberk> I guess magure  has no future in that area but CM is still going
[12:52] <ozberk> thanks you all :=
[12:52] <ozberk> :)
[12:52] <ogra_> ubuntu is CM based ;)
[12:52] <ozberk> oh you kidding me
[12:53] <ozberk> really ?
[12:53] <ogra_> i#m just saying you shouldnt expect to much from that HW
[12:53] <ogra_> on the ubuntu side of things
[12:53] <ogra_> ubuntu uses the radio stack, kernel source (with ubuntu config) codecs and sensor drivers from android
[12:53] <ozberk> I tought the Ubuntu Touch is completly different from android but now I can see it's android too :D
[12:53] <ogra_> (namely from CM 10.2 atm)
[12:54] <ogra_> well, without these bits you wouldnt have modem or video playback
[12:54] <ogra_> it uses a tiny bit of android to make the HW work
[12:54] <ogra_> (all the binary blobs the devices need to work)
[12:56] <ozberk> ok I will wait for the stable releases for Gnex I guess community can help for it
[12:56] <ogra_> beyond that small android container it is a plain ubuntu like you know it from your desktop
[12:56] <ogra_> (in a slighhtly different setup though)
[12:56] <ozberk> and maybe CM developers can help too because cyanogen mod is completly community based rom
[12:57] <ozberk> I'm using ubuntu instead of windows
[12:57] <Rienzilla> j-b: well, third party stuff I normally use. Online banking, my tv-remote, that kinda stuff
[12:57] <Rienzilla> the basics are all there (web browsing etc)
[12:57] <ozberk> I deleted windows from my life for couple of weeks ago
[12:57] <ogra_> :)
[12:58] <ozberk> now the steam is here ubuntu gives me whatever I need include gaming
[12:59] <ozberk> well then I will keep ubuntu if it won't be supported I will remove it
[12:59] <ozberk> UI is fine I loved the UI basicly
[13:00] <lapor> hello
[13:00] <lapor> I'm trying to install dual boot on my nexus4
[13:01] <lobomie> what about those whatsapp mockups from Lucas Romero Di Benedetto?
[13:01] <lapor> but getting missing update command
[13:01] <lapor> anybody knows that is wrong?
[13:02] <lobomie> I'd rather see a jabber/xmpp client but if it has to be I'm okay with whatsapp client. Better than nothing :-/
[13:04] <lapor> anyone?
[13:07] <ogra_> lapor ... check bug 1263811
[13:07] <ogra_> oh, he is gone
[13:15] <yamc> What is the QML object called to read user input text? Or: Is there a tutorial/source code of an Ubuntu Touch app using user text input?
[13:22] <justincormack> trying to install dual boot on maguro and all fine until the dual boot installer dies saying "Missing update command"
[13:23] <ogra_> justincormack,  bug 1263811
[13:23] <ogra_> i think there are some workarounds in that bug
[13:25] <justincormack> thanks will try them
[13:26] <rigved> hi everyone.
[13:27] <rigved> has anyone tried the dual-boot method on a Samsung Galaxy Nexus yet?
[13:28] <justincormack> rigved: thats what I am trying at the minute...
[13:29] <rigved> justincormack: cool. let me know how it goes! i'm in the process of backing up my phone data. will try the dual-boot after that today! :)
[13:33] <Tachyon`> Can somene please have a guess at what's happening here: http://kupo.be/pics/nobuntu.jpg - Nexus 7 2012 - Android 4.4.2 - 16GB out of the 32 or so free. but this happens.
[13:51] <Sat> Hi
[13:52] <Tachyon`> hi
[13:56] <Sat> anyone has already installed the dual boot?
[13:57] <Tachyon`> not successfully
[13:57] <Sat> I'm struggling with it...
[13:57] <Tachyon`> are you on android 4.4.2 and getting an update error?
[13:57] <Sat> nop, 4.2
[13:57] <Tachyon`> oh, hrm, what's the problem?
[13:58] <Sat> stuck in bootloader after first reboot when running dualboot.sh
[13:58] <Tachyon`> ah, it does hat somtimes
[13:58] <Tachyon`> just reboot phone and try aga
[13:58] <Tachyon`> in
[13:59] <Sat> my device isn't seen by my laptop after the reboot in bootloader. Just relaunched it 3-4 times
[13:59] <Sat> same problem each time
[13:59] <Tachyon`> hrm
[14:00] <Tachyon`> that's not good, you can still boot into your usual OS though?
[14:00] <Sat> yes, I canboot on android without any prob
[14:00] <Tachyon`> ah, good, what device?
[14:00] <Sat> samsung galaxy nexus
[14:01] <Tachyon`> oh, don't really know that one, on a nexus 7 here
[14:01] <Tachyon`> are you using stock rom?
[14:01] <Sat> yep
[14:01] <Tachyon`> is your device rooted already?
[14:01] <Sat> rooted, unlocked, dev mode
[14:02] <Tachyon`> ah right, you can just use the UPDATE install method then if you're not already
[14:04] <Sat> same issue
[14:04] <Sat> Rebooting to bootloader < waiting for device >
[14:04] <Sat> and nothing more
[14:06] <Tachyon`> do you have fastboot drivers installed
[14:06] <Tachyon`> becuse thatsounds like you don't
[14:07] <Sat> these are installed: phablet-tools android-tools-adb android-tools-fastboot
[14:08] <Tachyon`> ah, linux, should be fine then
[14:08] <Tachyon`> well, I'm at a loss
[14:11] <Sat> so am I
[14:11] <Sat> :D
[14:31] <justincormack> i cant get any of the workarounds in 1263811 to work... although I havent tried a stock reflash
[14:32] <justincormack> i cant give it SU permissions, even after having installed supersu manually
[14:32] <justincormack> it never asks
[18:10] <pickles_> Hi - is anyone around?
[20:56] <blake_> morning
[20:56] <blake_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/397837/no-available-channels-with-ubuntu-dual-boot-on-nexus-5
[20:57] <blake_> I pasted that on Ask ubuntu-- will it do anything harmful to my android install to modify the build.prop to get the Dual Boot Insaller app to use a channel to get ubuntu on the phone
[20:58] <Tassadar_> not very likely, but it will simply not work
[20:59] <blake_> where is the list of available channels?
[21:01] <Tassadar_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Step_4_-_Downloading_.26_Deploying_Image_to_Device
[21:01] <Tassadar_> and this is the file which the android app downloads and processes, if you mean that http://system-image.ubuntu.com/channels.json
[21:03] <blake_> i'm gonna try editing the prop file to use mako and seeing what happens
[21:03] <Tassadar> be my guest
[21:15] <mapr> Is there a guide to build a sdk for non ubuntu hosts?
[21:34] <xnox> blake_: that will break horribly =) but you can try for yourself.
[21:34] <blake_> I did-- it didn not work, as was suggested : p
[21:34] <blake_> anything I can do to hack it on?
[21:35] <xnox> blake_: granted it's hard to brick nexus devices, you can always flash stock firmware on it.
[21:35] <blake_> did not work
[21:35] <blake_> flash nexus 4 firmware on it?
[21:36] <xnox> blake_: arg. i'm saying that when you changed to mako, all it did is take nexus4 drivers which _do not_ work.
[21:36] <xnox> blake_: there is no build for nexus 5.
[21:36] <xnox> blake_: we are in progress porting to android 4.4 for many reasons, but it's not complete yet and hence to builds for 4.4-only devices.
[21:38] <blake_> is there a public issue tracker for that effort?
[21:39] <xnox> blake_: everything is public. And we don't have a bug open for that, only blueprints + you can see the git trees for 4.4 at phablet.ubuntu.com
[21:49] <ice9> why only nexus 4 is required to install ubuntu touch?
[21:52] <xnox> ice9: there is a pleaora of devices that one can install ubuntu touch on.
[21:52] <xnox> ice9: for list of supported devices see - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[21:53] <xnox> the open "nexus" devices are typically best supported.
[22:01] <gabmus> hello everyone
[22:01] <gabmus> can someone give me a hand with ubuntu touch and nexus 4?
[22:02] <ice9> is the porting guide here complete https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting?
[22:02] <ice9> that's only what's needed to port to a new device?
[22:43] <daker> gabmus: ?
[23:06] <xnox> ice9: yes and no. it's open ended, as often there are device-specific bugs, which are well device-specific and unknown until one does porting.
[23:32] <mapr> Do I need multi-lib for the sdk? I only run lib64 ..
[23:44] <nobriel> Hi