| Kilos | hi bduk1 and others | 06:17 |
|---|---|---|
| bduk1 | Morning Kilos and others | 06:20 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | morning all :) | 06:53 |
| Kilos | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 06:54 |
| Kilos | :) | 06:54 |
| Kilos | hi SilverCode Vince-0 | 07:31 |
| Vince-0 | hi! | 07:35 |
| Kilos- | hi aquarat | 09:17 |
| Kilos- | hi tinuva | 10:41 |
| Kilos- | Maaz, hi | 10:47 |
| * Maaz waves to Kilos- | 10:48 | |
| Kilos- | yay | 10:48 |
| === Kilos- is now known as Kilos | ||
| psychicist | hi Kilos | 11:05 |
| psychicist | hi Vince-0 | 11:05 |
| psychicist | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 11:05 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | 'lo | 11:14 |
| Vince-0 | hi | 11:18 |
| Vince-0 | im at the office whoot | 11:18 |
| psychicist | really? | 11:18 |
| psychicist | so you must be one of the few people working there today? | 11:19 |
| Vince-0 | yup, | 11:26 |
| Vince-0 | chose not to take leave | 11:26 |
| Kilos | hi psychicist | 11:27 |
| kbmonkey | howsit | 12:47 |
| kbmonkey | shit it is hot outside :p | 12:48 |
| Cantide | Aand oom kilos '-'/ | 12:51 |
| Vince-0 | kbmonkey ! | 12:53 |
| Cantide | And vince-0 | 12:54 |
| Cantide | '-'/ | 12:54 |
| Vince-0 | surp! | 13:01 |
| Cantide | Chilling in bed and eating | 13:03 |
| Cantide | What's up in SA? | 13:04 |
| Cantide | It's already 10 pm here ㅠㅠ | 13:07 |
| Vince-0 | 15:00 and I'm looking to jump ship from the office | 13:09 |
| Cantide | Haha | 13:09 |
| Cantide | Lucky | 13:09 |
| kbmonkey | hello Vince-0! | 13:12 |
| Kilos | sorry i was asleep | 13:44 |
| charl_ | good afternoon | 13:45 |
| charl_ | Maaz: coffee on | 13:45 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 13:45 | |
| Kilos | hi charl_ | 13:45 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee please | 13:45 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Okay | 13:45 |
| Kilos | Maaz, and grandpa | 13:45 |
| Maaz | ai! Kilos headache again? | 13:45 |
| Kilos | charl_, you got time to explain something to me | 13:46 |
| Kilos | english not geek | 13:46 |
| charl_ | hi Kilos | 13:46 |
| charl_ | sure thing, throw it | 13:46 |
| charl_ | gooi should i say :) | 13:46 |
| Kilos | what is a domain and whats the diffs between that and a site | 13:47 |
| Kilos | i got a site at weebly and it keeps offering a domain | 13:47 |
| Kilos | then i looked here for a freedomain thing http://www.prchecker.info/web-hosting/best-free-domain-name-services/ | 13:48 |
| Kilos | but dont know what one would do with a domain and a site | 13:49 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos! | 13:49 |
| Kilos | Maaz, ty | 13:49 |
| Maaz | You are welcome Kilos | 13:49 |
| charl_ | ok, here goes | 13:50 |
| charl_ | a domain is something like google.com | 13:50 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 13:50 |
| charl_ | if you type that domain into your browser, a site opens | 13:51 |
| Kilos | what does one do with a domain | 13:51 |
| charl_ | that site will, in this case, be google search because that's the site that lives at google.com | 13:51 |
| Kilos | oh so you have a site in a domain | 13:51 |
| charl_ | a site could also live under the domain | 13:51 |
| charl_ | for example you could have a site under example.com/kilos | 13:52 |
| Kilos | and other peeps also have sites in that domain | 13:52 |
| charl_ | a site is just a collection of web pages, usually maintained by the same person or the same group of people | 13:52 |
| charl_ | yes i could have a site under example.com/charl | 13:52 |
| charl_ | and there could be another site under the root of example.com | 13:52 |
| Kilos | ok | 13:52 |
| Kilos | so why would a person want a domain | 13:53 |
| charl_ | you could also have a subdomain like kilos.example.com or charl.example.com | 13:53 |
| charl_ | just because it makes it easy to find your site | 13:53 |
| charl_ | these days most people just use google to find stuff in any case | 13:53 |
| Kilos | huh? | 13:53 |
| charl_ | so having a nice domain doesn't matter so much | 13:53 |
| Kilos | is the diffs just in the address | 13:54 |
| charl_ | yup | 13:54 |
| charl_ | that's all it's about, is the address | 13:54 |
| Kilos | ok | 13:54 |
| charl_ | but you could also have more stuff like email, xmpp and other services like irc | 13:54 |
| charl_ | for example, if you connect to freenode you go to irc.freenode.net for example | 13:54 |
| Kilos | but if i have a site i can surely shorten the link | 13:54 |
| charl_ | or i connect directly to a specific server in germany which is kornbluth.freenode.net | 13:54 |
| Kilos | and somehow let google know about it | 13:54 |
| charl_ | eh, google should automatically find stuff if you like to it from other places | 13:55 |
| charl_ | you could use url shorteners too | 13:55 |
| charl_ | but these days people usually don't care about that so much anymore | 13:55 |
| charl_ | if you have a company it makes sense to have a domain in the country where you're based | 13:55 |
| charl_ | but it's more a facade than anything else, just gives you that "corporate presence" | 13:55 |
| Kilos | oh | 13:56 |
| charl_ | for example, a company wants everyone to send email from an address @theirdomain.nl for example | 13:56 |
| charl_ | it just makes it look coherent and professional | 13:56 |
| charl_ | like you are officially representing the company, it comes across better than mailing @gmail.com | 13:56 |
| charl_ | in reality it doesn't really make much of a technical difference, if the mail arrives then who cares | 13:56 |
| Kilos | yeash | 13:57 |
| charl_ | these days a lot of people just use forwarders and other fancy stuff to achieve the same effect | 13:57 |
| charl_ | but it's like if you want to contact vodacom, you expect to mail someone @vodacom.co.za, not @gmail.com | 13:57 |
| Kilos | oh now its sinking in | 13:57 |
| charl_ | same if you want to go to vodacom's website | 13:58 |
| charl_ | you would much rather go to vodacom.co.za than somevaguenonsense.example.com/someotherthing/andetc | 13:58 |
| Kilos | thats surely for big companies | 13:59 |
| charl_ | yes exactly | 13:59 |
| charl_ | you get people like me who host everything on a vps and need my own domain for that too | 13:59 |
| charl_ | like i use charl.eu for that purpose, it is nice and short, easy to remember | 13:59 |
| charl_ | and it's very easy to tell people over the telephone | 13:59 |
| charl_ | if somebody asks me what my address is it is simply <my first name>@<my first name>.eu | 13:59 |
| charl_ | but most people don't need to go that far, an @gmail.com or @outlook.com or even @yahoo.com is good enough | 14:00 |
| charl_ | all that i would not recommend is using your ISP's mailbox like @ziggo.nl for example | 14:00 |
| charl_ | because then if you change ISP your mail address also changes | 14:00 |
| Kilos | i want things as simple as possible | 14:01 |
| Kilos | and just a small free site with a shopping cart | 14:01 |
| charl_ | in south africa you _can_ register a free domain at www.za.net | 14:02 |
| charl_ | then you can get something like kilos.za.net or kilos.za.org if you want (if it's available) | 14:02 |
| charl_ | but then you still need to configure dns, etc | 14:02 |
| Kilos | do they give you space for nothing | 14:02 |
| charl_ | no only a domain | 14:02 |
| charl_ | then you must point it at your web host where your site lives | 14:02 |
| Kilos | again im lost | 14:02 |
| charl_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_name_registrar | 14:03 |
| Kilos | is a domain only a link to somewhere | 14:03 |
| charl_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_hosting_service | 14:03 |
| charl_ | yes exactly | 14:03 |
| Kilos | not actually like a server somewhere | 14:03 |
| charl_ | exactly | 14:03 |
| charl_ | za.net is a domain registrar | 14:03 |
| Kilos | whew | 14:04 |
| charl_ | then you point it at a hosting service | 14:04 |
| Kilos | ok | 14:04 |
| charl_ | the above wikipedia links give in-depth detail | 14:04 |
| Kilos | lets say i build a shopping site at weebly | 14:04 |
| Kilos | then i get a domain and link the site to it? | 14:04 |
| charl_ | yes | 14:05 |
| charl_ | you will also need a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_hosting_service | 14:05 |
| charl_ | so you register a domain, point it at a dns hosting service | 14:05 |
| charl_ | and then you configure your dns at the dns hosting service to point to your hosting provider | 14:06 |
| Kilos | whew that enough for today ty. unhappy head day | 14:06 |
| charl_ | so you have three components you will need to get organised | 14:06 |
| charl_ | shame sorry to hear :( | 14:06 |
| charl_ | hope you feeling better soon! :) | 14:06 |
| Kilos | its part of my life man. | 14:06 |
| charl_ | nah but still | 14:06 |
| Kilos | just some days worse | 14:06 |
| charl_ | i just broke my arm two weeks ago | 14:07 |
| Kilos | mainly after doing physical stuffs | 14:07 |
| charl_ | it isn't even that serious but it upsets your routine | 14:07 |
| Kilos | ya must be near plaster off time | 14:07 |
| charl_ | got it removed this morning! | 14:07 |
| Kilos | aha | 14:07 |
| Kilos | now its thinner than the other one | 14:07 |
| charl_ | yes just came back from the hospital before coming on irc | 14:08 |
| charl_ | not really, but my arm did get stiff | 14:08 |
| Kilos | nurse it for a while | 14:08 |
| charl_ | so now i need to exercise it | 14:08 |
| charl_ | but it's nice being able to turn my wrist again so i can type semi-normally | 14:08 |
| Kilos | lotsa typing | 14:08 |
| Kilos | hehe | 14:08 |
| charl_ | it was so much problems not being able to type | 14:08 |
| charl_ | and it was my right arm which is also my dominant arm | 14:08 |
| Kilos | eish | 14:08 |
| charl_ | so i had to do everything with my "weak" hand | 14:08 |
| charl_ | not so nice, but of well, it's something that passes so not something i want to complain about too hard | 14:09 |
| Kilos | lol | 14:09 |
| charl_ | i think i am going to go out and buy some turkish food shortly | 14:09 |
| Kilos | ty for the help | 14:09 |
| charl_ | i am feeling like some donner kebab | 14:09 |
| charl_ | doner with one n | 14:09 |
| Kilos | what kinda kebab is that | 14:09 |
| charl_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab | 14:10 |
| Kilos | kebabs are food | 14:10 |
| Kilos | no man | 14:10 |
| Kilos | stop the links | 14:10 |
| charl_ | it comes from a rotating spit | 14:10 |
| Kilos | they all tons to read | 14:10 |
| charl_ | super popular with turks | 14:10 |
| charl_ | Doner kebab (/ˈdɒnər kəˈbæb/, /ˈdoʊnər/; Turkish: döner or döner kebap, [døˈneɾ̝̊ keˈbap]) is a Turkish dish made of meat cooked on a vertical spit, normally lamb but also a mixture of veal or beef with these, or sometimes chicken. The dish is also widely known by its Arabic name "shawarma" or the Greek name "gyros". | 14:11 |
| Kilos | lol i remember eating shawarmas in durbs | 14:11 |
| Kilos | they cut bits of meat of a rotating leg on a spit | 14:12 |
| Kilos | off | 14:12 |
| charl_ | yes | 14:12 |
| charl_ | that is it exactly | 14:12 |
| charl_ | except here they put it in a bread (broodje doner) or a turkish pizza (lahmakun) | 14:13 |
| charl_ | or they even make a "kapsalon" out of it | 14:13 |
| charl_ | lahmacun sorry | 14:13 |
| charl_ | it has a soft dough and you roll it up like a pancake | 14:13 |
| charl_ | delicious | 14:13 |
| Kilos | if i member right shawarmas are meat in a foldup kinda pastry | 14:14 |
| Kilos | like 2 flat round slices of bread glued together aover about 3/4 of it | 14:14 |
| charl_ | a pita bread yes | 14:15 |
| charl_ | or that is what we use here | 14:15 |
| Kilos | lekker | 14:15 |
| charl_ | yes very :) | 14:15 |
| charl_ | now are you talking my language ! | 14:15 |
| charl_ | in more ways than one, lol | 14:15 |
| Kilos | hehe nearly all food is lekker | 14:15 |
| charl_ | not all :P | 14:15 |
| charl_ | if you give me that horrible slimey snot that we ate in knysna | 14:16 |
| Kilos | only olives suck | 14:16 |
| charl_ | what is it called... oysters | 14:16 |
| charl_ | no olives are delicious (for me) | 14:16 |
| Kilos | oooo i love oysters and mussels | 14:16 |
| Kilos | used to eat them off the rocks | 14:16 |
| charl_ | i eat tons of olives, olive oil, olive tapenade, olive pesto, everything olive | 14:16 |
| Kilos | eeeek | 14:16 |
| charl_ | whole olives, olive spread, whatever | 14:17 |
| charl_ | i eat it | 14:17 |
| charl_ | all kinds of olives, especially the dark ones | 14:17 |
| Kilos | olives are like whisky | 14:17 |
| Kilos | yuk | 14:17 |
| charl_ | well at least there we can agree, i don't like whiskey either | 14:17 |
| charl_ | i don't really drink any hard liquor, only beer | 14:17 |
| charl_ | even wine i dislike | 14:18 |
| charl_ | here at the christmas dinner we had at work i was offered some gluewein | 14:18 |
| charl_ | glühwein | 14:18 |
| Kilos | i dont drink any of that for last 20 years or more | 14:18 |
| charl_ | it is warm and it tastes watery (the stuff that i had) YUCK | 14:18 |
| charl_ | NO THANK YOU | 14:19 |
| charl_ | give me some nice hefeweissbier instead | 14:19 |
| charl_ | ok i am going to go into town shortly | 14:22 |
| charl_ | bbl | 14:22 |
| Kilos | i go fetch sheep | 14:23 |
| Kilos | wb psychicist | 14:41 |
| psychicist | ty Kilos | 14:44 |
| Kilos | my e220 is weird. in the morning it times out 2 or 3 times then runs fine the whole avy | 14:45 |
| Kilos | ohi superfly | 14:45 |
| psychicist | hmm | 14:46 |
| superfly | hi kilos | 14:46 |
| Kilos | wb Vince-0 | 15:05 |
| Vince-0 | oh haai | 15:05 |
| Vince-0 | I went home | 15:05 |
| Kilos | thought so | 15:05 |
| psychicist | hi spinza | 15:08 |
| psychicist | superfly* | 15:08 |
| Kilos | spinza, lurks lots | 15:08 |
| Kilos | inetpro, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530681/Michael-Schumacher-brain-surgery-piste-skiing-accident-leaves-coma.html | 15:54 |
| charl_ | ok back | 16:02 |
| charl_ | hi psychicist | 16:02 |
| charl_ | hi Vince-0 | 16:02 |
| Kilos | wb | 16:02 |
| Kilos | shumi inna bad way it seems | 16:02 |
| charl_ | it's sad indeed | 16:03 |
| Kilos | yeah | 16:03 |
| charl_ | the talk earlier made me hungry so just had kapsalon | 16:04 |
| charl_ | am full now :) | 16:04 |
| Kilos | haha | 16:04 |
| charl_ | delicious though | 16:04 |
| psychicist | hi charl_ | 16:11 |
| charl_ | how's it going | 16:14 |
| charl_ | the first bombs are being thrown already but it is much more quite this year than last year | 16:14 |
| charl_ | the war seems to be less serious now with the recession than previously, people have less money to waste | 16:14 |
| psychicist | I'm ok, still in the hague | 16:15 |
| psychicist | haha | 16:15 |
| psychicist | yeah | 16:15 |
| charl_ | nice, how is the hague this time of year | 16:17 |
| charl_ | here by us it is unusually warm | 16:17 |
| charl_ | last time i went to the hague i went to scheveningen in the summer | 16:17 |
| charl_ | oops apparently we had a massive ddos in the office | 17:11 |
| charl_ | went in excess of 20gbps | 17:11 |
| charl_ | fortunately our external capacity on that link is twice that | 17:11 |
| charl_ | but from what i read it caused some bgp problems | 17:11 |
| psychicist | oh, it's good | 17:14 |
| psychicist | but it's also a war zone over here | 17:14 |
| charl_ | i assume in the randstad it will be worse than over here in the east | 17:15 |
| charl_ | but i still think this year is much more peaceful than last year | 17:15 |
| psychicist | yeah | 17:16 |
| psychicist | which is a good sign | 17:16 |
| charl_ | well not a good sign for the economy though | 17:16 |
| psychicist | that too | 17:17 |
| charl_ | but i do enjoy the peace, i wish they would ban the fireworks | 17:17 |
| psychicist | do you think the economy over here in the netherlands still needs a lot of time to recover? | 17:17 |
| Kilos | just put ear plugs in man | 17:17 |
| charl_ | Kilos: heh with this madness that won't even help | 17:18 |
| psychicist | poland is improving year over year and probably the rest of eastern europe does too | 17:18 |
| psychicist | haha | 17:18 |
| charl_ | psychicist: i have no idea, i get mixed signals, some people say it's busy picking up, other people say we haven't seen the bottom yet | 17:18 |
| Kilos | it must , the ones they use at shooting ranges | 17:18 |
| psychicist | a lot of fireworks are just as powerful as dynamite, you can blow up cars with them | 17:18 |
| charl_ | yeah but take a look at where they come from... there isn't much to lose :) | 17:18 |
| psychicist | yeah :) | 17:18 |
| charl_ | oh yes but those are not normal Kilos | 17:18 |
| charl_ | i used to practise shooting, you have internal ones and ones that go over them | 17:19 |
| charl_ | that's not comfortable at all | 17:19 |
| Kilos | no man they got tiny rubber ones you push in your ears | 17:19 |
| charl_ | but you have no alternative because you can go death from shooting too often | 17:19 |
| charl_ | yes and big ones that go over them that look like the ones the people on the runway at the airport have on | 17:19 |
| charl_ | or those are the ones that i used in any case | 17:19 |
| charl_ | those ones are really good actually | 17:20 |
| Kilos | or head fones from pc with music on | 17:20 |
| Kilos | hehe | 17:20 |
| charl_ | lol then you need to put the music on very loud and you go death from those | 17:20 |
| charl_ | that | 17:20 |
| Kilos | deaf | 17:20 |
| charl_ | deaf sorry | 17:20 |
| charl_ | haha | 17:20 |
| Kilos | no man i did lots of shooting without ear plugs and still hear a bit | 17:21 |
| Kilos | haha | 17:21 |
| charl_ | lol | 17:22 |
| charl_ | thank you that makes me feel much better :) | 17:22 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:23 |
| Kilos | you can always wrap a tick pillow over your head | 17:24 |
| Kilos | thick | 17:24 |
| charl_ | hahahahaha lekker | 17:24 |
| charl_ | that sounds comfortable :) | 17:24 |
| Kilos | and warm | 17:24 |
| charl_ | that could be nice this time of year right | 17:25 |
| Kilos | Maaz, seen GoTango | 17:27 |
| Maaz | Kilos: GoTango was last seen 1 day, 9 hours, 23 minutes and 48 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-12-29 00:04:02 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-12-29 04:08:50 PST | 17:27 |
| charl_ | Maaz: seen cantide | 17:28 |
| Maaz | charl_: cantide was last seen 4 hours, 18 minutes and 26 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-12-30 05:09:40 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-12-30 05:26:58 PST | 17:28 |
| Kilos | what time is pst? | 17:28 |
| charl_ | pacific standard time | 17:28 |
| charl_ | must have just missed him, how's he doing | 17:28 |
| Kilos | i was asleep | 17:29 |
| charl_ | why is maaz on pacific standard time | 17:29 |
| Kilos | i dunno | 17:29 |
| charl_ | maybe it's the server he is running on | 17:29 |
| charl_ | that's like USA west-coast time | 17:29 |
| Kilos | oh my. he used to be in germany | 17:30 |
| charl_ | maaz abandoned civilisation and went to the land of yankees? | 17:31 |
| Maaz | charl_: What? | 17:31 |
| charl_ | Maaz: you suck | 17:31 |
| Maaz | charl_: Sorry... | 17:31 |
| charl_ | we should ask the man of the belgian music about this | 17:36 |
| Kilos | huh? | 17:36 |
| charl_ | cocooncrash | 17:36 |
| Kilos | he seems very busy. doesnt answer here anymore | 17:36 |
| charl_ | bah he abandoned his brethren | 17:37 |
| Kilos | hehe | 17:37 |
| charl_ | Maaz: ping charl.eu | 17:49 |
| Maaz | charl_: 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4003ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.937/0.998/1.036/0.048 ms | 17:49 |
| charl_ | no he's still in germany | 17:49 |
| charl_ | there is no way that ping is even leaving the data centre | 17:50 |
| charl_ | Maaz: tracepath charl.eu | 17:51 |
| Maaz | charl_: 1: mammon.mene.za.net 0.151ms pmtu 1500 | 17:51 |
| Maaz | 1: physical.omnia.za.net 0.432ms | 17:51 |
| Maaz | 1: physical.omnia.za.net 0.433ms | 17:51 |
| Maaz | 2: static.129.97.40.188.clients.your-server.de 2.667ms | 17:51 |
| Maaz | 3: hos-tr1.juniper1.rz10.hetzner.de 0.759ms | 17:51 |
| Maaz | 4: core21.hetzner.de 0.930ms | 17:51 |
| Maaz | 5: juniper3.rz12.hetzner.de 64.779ms | 17:51 |
| Maaz | 6: hos-tr4.ms-ex3k2.rz13.hetzner.de 3.605ms | 17:51 |
| Maaz | 7: charl.eu 1.684ms reached | 17:51 |
| Maaz | Resume: pmtu 1500 hops 7 back 58 | 17:51 |
| charl_ | hi poklep | 18:17 |
| Kilos | hi poklep welcome to ubuntu-za | 18:17 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 18:28 |
| Kilos | i wonder why peeps do that | 18:30 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 19:05 |
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