[06:17] <Kilos> hi bduk1 and others
[06:20] <bduk1> Morning Kilos  and others
[06:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all :)
[06:54] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:54] <Kilos> :)
[07:31] <Kilos> hi SilverCode Vince-0 
[07:35] <Vince-0> hi!
[09:17] <Kilos-> hi aquarat 
[10:41] <Kilos-> hi tinuva 
[10:47] <Kilos-> Maaz, hi
[10:48]  * Maaz waves to Kilos-
[10:48] <Kilos-> yay
[11:05] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[11:05] <psychicist> hi Vince-0 
[11:05] <psychicist> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[11:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[11:18] <Vince-0> hi
[11:18] <Vince-0> im at the office whoot
[11:18] <psychicist> really?
[11:19] <psychicist> so you must be one of the few people working there today?
[11:26] <Vince-0> yup, 
[11:26] <Vince-0> chose not to take leave
[11:27] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[12:47] <kbmonkey> howsit
[12:48] <kbmonkey> shit it is hot outside :p
[12:51] <Cantide> Aand oom kilos '-'/
[12:53] <Vince-0> kbmonkey !
[12:54] <Cantide> And vince-0
[12:54] <Cantide> '-'/
[13:01] <Vince-0> surp!
[13:03] <Cantide> Chilling in bed and eating
[13:04] <Cantide> What's up in SA?
[13:07] <Cantide> It's already 10 pm here ㅠㅠ
[13:09] <Vince-0> 15:00 and I'm looking to jump ship from the office
[13:09] <Cantide> Haha
[13:09] <Cantide> Lucky
[13:12] <kbmonkey> hello Vince-0! 
[13:44] <Kilos> sorry i was asleep
[13:45] <charl_> good afternoon
[13:45] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[13:45]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[13:45] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[13:45] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[13:45] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[13:45] <Kilos> Maaz, and grandpa
[13:45] <Maaz> ai! Kilos headache again?
[13:46] <Kilos> charl_, you got time to explain something to me
[13:46] <Kilos> english not geek
[13:46] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[13:46] <charl_> sure thing, throw it
[13:46] <charl_> gooi should i say :)
[13:47] <Kilos> what is a domain and whats the diffs between that and a site
[13:47] <Kilos> i got a site at weebly and it keeps offering a domain
[13:48] <Kilos> then i looked here for a freedomain thing http://www.prchecker.info/web-hosting/best-free-domain-name-services/
[13:49] <Kilos> but dont know what one would do with a domain and a site
[13:49] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[13:49] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[13:49] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[13:50] <charl_> ok, here goes
[13:50] <charl_> a domain is something like google.com
[13:50] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:51] <charl_> if you type that domain into your browser, a site opens
[13:51] <Kilos> what does one do with a domain
[13:51] <charl_> that site will, in this case, be google search because that's the site that lives at google.com
[13:51] <Kilos> oh so you have a site in a domain
[13:51] <charl_> a site could also live under the domain
[13:52] <charl_> for example you could have a site under example.com/kilos
[13:52] <Kilos> and other peeps also have sites in that domain
[13:52] <charl_> a site is just a collection of web pages, usually maintained by the same person or the same group of people
[13:52] <charl_> yes i could have a site under example.com/charl
[13:52] <charl_> and there could be another site under the root of example.com
[13:52] <Kilos> ok
[13:53] <Kilos> so why would a person want a domain
[13:53] <charl_> you could also have a subdomain like kilos.example.com or charl.example.com
[13:53] <charl_> just because it makes it easy to find your site
[13:53] <charl_> these days most people just use google to find stuff in any case
[13:53] <Kilos> huh?
[13:53] <charl_> so having a nice domain doesn't matter so much
[13:54] <Kilos> is the diffs just in the address
[13:54] <charl_> yup
[13:54] <charl_> that's all it's about, is the address
[13:54] <Kilos> ok
[13:54] <charl_> but you could also have more stuff like email, xmpp and other services like irc
[13:54] <charl_> for example, if you connect to freenode you go to irc.freenode.net for example
[13:54] <Kilos> but if i have a site i can surely shorten the link
[13:54] <charl_> or i connect directly to a specific server in germany which is kornbluth.freenode.net
[13:54] <Kilos> and somehow let google know about it
[13:55] <charl_> eh, google should automatically find stuff if you like to it from other places
[13:55] <charl_> you could use url shorteners too
[13:55] <charl_> but these days people usually don't care about that so much anymore
[13:55] <charl_> if you have a company it makes sense to have a domain in the country where you're based
[13:55] <charl_> but it's more a facade than anything else, just gives you that "corporate presence"
[13:56] <Kilos> oh
[13:56] <charl_> for example, a company wants everyone to send email from an address @theirdomain.nl for example
[13:56] <charl_> it just makes it look coherent and professional
[13:56] <charl_> like you are officially representing the company, it comes across better than mailing @gmail.com
[13:56] <charl_> in reality it doesn't really make much of a technical difference, if the mail arrives then who cares
[13:57] <Kilos> yeash
[13:57] <charl_> these days a lot of people just use forwarders and other fancy stuff to achieve the same effect
[13:57] <charl_> but it's like if you want to contact vodacom, you expect to mail someone @vodacom.co.za, not @gmail.com
[13:57] <Kilos> oh now its sinking in
[13:58] <charl_> same if you want to go to vodacom's website
[13:58] <charl_> you would much rather go to vodacom.co.za than somevaguenonsense.example.com/someotherthing/andetc
[13:59] <Kilos> thats surely for big companies
[13:59] <charl_> yes exactly
[13:59] <charl_> you get people like me who host everything on a vps and need my own domain for that too
[13:59] <charl_> like i use charl.eu for that purpose, it is nice and short, easy to remember
[13:59] <charl_> and it's very easy to tell people over the telephone
[13:59] <charl_> if somebody asks me what my address is it is simply <my first name>@<my first name>.eu
[14:00] <charl_> but most people don't need to go that far, an @gmail.com or @outlook.com or even @yahoo.com is good enough
[14:00] <charl_> all that i would not recommend is using your ISP's mailbox like @ziggo.nl for example
[14:00] <charl_> because then if you change ISP your mail address also changes
[14:01] <Kilos> i want things as simple as possible
[14:01] <Kilos> and just a small free site with a shopping cart
[14:02] <charl_> in south africa you _can_ register a free domain at www.za.net
[14:02] <charl_> then you can get something like kilos.za.net or kilos.za.org if you want (if it's available)
[14:02] <charl_> but then you still need to configure dns, etc
[14:02] <Kilos> do they give you space for nothing
[14:02] <charl_> no only a domain
[14:02] <charl_> then you must point it at your web host where your site lives
[14:02] <Kilos> again im lost
[14:03] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_name_registrar
[14:03] <Kilos> is a domain only a link to somewhere
[14:03] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_hosting_service
[14:03] <charl_> yes exactly
[14:03] <Kilos> not actually like a server somewhere
[14:03] <charl_> exactly
[14:03] <charl_> za.net is a domain registrar
[14:04] <Kilos> whew
[14:04] <charl_> then you point it at a hosting service
[14:04] <Kilos> ok
[14:04] <charl_> the above wikipedia links give in-depth detail
[14:04] <Kilos> lets say i build a shopping site at weebly
[14:04] <Kilos> then i get a domain and link the site to it?
[14:05] <charl_> yes
[14:05] <charl_> you will also need a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_hosting_service
[14:05] <charl_> so you register a domain, point it at a dns hosting service
[14:06] <charl_> and then you configure your dns at the dns hosting service to point to your hosting provider
[14:06] <Kilos> whew that enough for today ty. unhappy head day
[14:06] <charl_> so you have three components you will need to get organised
[14:06] <charl_> shame sorry to hear :(
[14:06] <charl_> hope you feeling better soon! :)
[14:06] <Kilos> its part of my life man. 
[14:06] <charl_> nah but still
[14:06] <Kilos> just some days worse
[14:07] <charl_> i just broke my arm two weeks ago
[14:07] <Kilos> mainly after doing physical stuffs
[14:07] <charl_> it isn't even that serious but it upsets your routine
[14:07] <Kilos> ya must be near plaster off time
[14:07] <charl_> got it removed this morning!
[14:07] <Kilos> aha
[14:07] <Kilos> now its thinner than the other one
[14:08] <charl_> yes just came back from the hospital before coming on irc
[14:08] <charl_> not really, but my arm did get stiff
[14:08] <Kilos> nurse it for a while
[14:08] <charl_> so now i need to exercise it
[14:08] <charl_> but it's nice being able to turn my wrist again so i can type semi-normally
[14:08] <Kilos> lotsa typing
[14:08] <Kilos> hehe
[14:08] <charl_> it was so much problems not being able to type
[14:08] <charl_> and it was my right arm which is also my dominant arm
[14:08] <Kilos> eish
[14:08] <charl_> so i had to do everything with my "weak" hand
[14:09] <charl_> not so nice, but of well, it's something that passes so not something i want to complain about too hard
[14:09] <Kilos> lol
[14:09] <charl_> i think i am going to go out and buy some turkish food shortly
[14:09] <Kilos> ty for the help
[14:09] <charl_> i am feeling like some donner kebab
[14:09] <charl_> doner with one n
[14:09] <Kilos> what kinda kebab is that
[14:10] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab
[14:10] <Kilos> kebabs are food
[14:10] <Kilos> no man
[14:10] <Kilos> stop the links
[14:10] <charl_> it comes from a rotating spit
[14:10] <Kilos> they all tons to read
[14:10] <charl_> super popular with turks
[14:11] <charl_> Doner kebab (/ˈdɒnər kəˈbæb/, /ˈdoʊnər/; Turkish: döner or döner kebap, [døˈneɾ̝̊ keˈbap]) is a Turkish dish made of meat cooked on a vertical spit, normally lamb but also a mixture of veal or beef with these, or sometimes chicken. The dish is also widely known by its Arabic name "shawarma" or the Greek name "gyros".
[14:11] <Kilos> lol i remember eating shawarmas in durbs
[14:12] <Kilos> they cut bits of meat of a rotating leg on a spit
[14:12] <Kilos> off
[14:12] <charl_> yes
[14:12] <charl_> that is it exactly
[14:13] <charl_> except here they put it in a bread (broodje doner) or a turkish pizza (lahmakun)
[14:13] <charl_> or they even make a "kapsalon" out of it
[14:13] <charl_> lahmacun sorry
[14:13] <charl_> it has a soft dough and you roll it up like a pancake
[14:13] <charl_> delicious
[14:14] <Kilos> if i member right shawarmas are meat in a foldup kinda pastry
[14:14] <Kilos> like 2 flat round slices of bread glued together aover about 3/4 of it
[14:15] <charl_> a pita bread yes
[14:15] <charl_> or that is what we use here
[14:15] <Kilos> lekker
[14:15] <charl_> yes very :)
[14:15] <charl_> now are you talking my language !
[14:15] <charl_> in more ways than one, lol
[14:15] <Kilos> hehe nearly all food is lekker 
[14:15] <charl_> not all :P
[14:16] <charl_> if you give me that horrible slimey snot that we ate in knysna
[14:16] <Kilos> only olives suck
[14:16] <charl_> what is it called... oysters
[14:16] <charl_> no olives are delicious (for me)
[14:16] <Kilos> oooo i love oysters and mussels
[14:16] <Kilos> used to eat them off the rocks
[14:16] <charl_> i eat tons of olives, olive oil, olive tapenade, olive pesto, everything olive
[14:16] <Kilos> eeeek
[14:17] <charl_> whole olives, olive spread, whatever
[14:17] <charl_> i eat it
[14:17] <charl_> all kinds of olives, especially the dark ones
[14:17] <Kilos> olives are like whisky
[14:17] <Kilos> yuk
[14:17] <charl_> well at least there we can agree, i don't like whiskey either
[14:17] <charl_> i don't really drink any hard liquor, only beer
[14:18] <charl_> even wine i dislike
[14:18] <charl_> here at the christmas dinner we had at work i was offered some gluewein
[14:18] <charl_> glühwein
[14:18] <Kilos> i dont drink any of that for last 20 years or more
[14:18] <charl_> it is warm and it tastes watery (the stuff that i had) YUCK
[14:19] <charl_> NO THANK YOU
[14:19] <charl_> give me some nice hefeweissbier instead
[14:22] <charl_> ok i am going to go into town shortly
[14:22] <charl_> bbl
[14:23] <Kilos> i go fetch sheep
[14:41] <Kilos> wb psychicist 
[14:44] <psychicist> ty Kilos 
[14:45] <Kilos> my e220 is weird. in the morning it times out 2 or 3 times then runs fine the whole avy
[14:45] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[14:46] <psychicist> hmm
[14:46] <superfly> hi kilos
[15:05] <Kilos> wb Vince-0 
[15:05] <Vince-0> oh haai
[15:05] <Vince-0> I went home
[15:05] <Kilos> thought so
[15:08] <psychicist> hi spinza 
[15:08] <psychicist> superfly*
[15:08] <Kilos> spinza, lurks lots
[15:54] <Kilos> inetpro, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530681/Michael-Schumacher-brain-surgery-piste-skiing-accident-leaves-coma.html
[16:02] <charl_> ok back
[16:02] <charl_> hi psychicist 
[16:02] <charl_> hi Vince-0 
[16:02] <Kilos> wb
[16:02] <Kilos> shumi inna bad way it seems
[16:03] <charl_> it's sad indeed
[16:03] <Kilos> yeah 
[16:04] <charl_> the talk earlier made me hungry so just had kapsalon
[16:04] <charl_> am full now :)
[16:04] <Kilos> haha
[16:04] <charl_> delicious though
[16:11] <psychicist> hi charl_ 
[16:14] <charl_> how's it going
[16:14] <charl_> the first bombs are being thrown already but it is much more quite this year than last year
[16:14] <charl_> the war seems to be less serious now with the recession than previously, people have less money to waste
[16:15] <psychicist> I'm ok, still in the hague
[16:15] <psychicist> haha
[16:15] <psychicist> yeah
[16:17] <charl_> nice, how is the hague this time of year
[16:17] <charl_> here by us it is unusually warm
[16:17] <charl_> last time i went to the hague i went to scheveningen in the summer
[17:11] <charl_> oops apparently we had a massive ddos in the office
[17:11] <charl_> went in excess of 20gbps
[17:11] <charl_> fortunately our external capacity on that link is twice that
[17:11] <charl_> but from what i read it caused some bgp problems
[17:14] <psychicist> oh, it's good
[17:14] <psychicist> but it's also a war zone over here
[17:15] <charl_> i assume in the randstad it will be worse than over here in the east
[17:15] <charl_> but i still think this year is much more peaceful than last year
[17:16] <psychicist> yeah
[17:16] <psychicist> which is a good sign
[17:16] <charl_> well not a good sign for the economy though
[17:17] <psychicist> that too
[17:17] <charl_> but i do enjoy the peace, i wish they would ban the fireworks
[17:17] <psychicist> do you think the economy over here in the netherlands still needs a lot of time to recover?
[17:17] <Kilos> just put ear plugs in man
[17:18] <charl_> Kilos: heh with this madness that won't even help
[17:18] <psychicist> poland is improving year over year and probably the rest of eastern europe does too
[17:18] <psychicist> haha
[17:18] <charl_> psychicist: i have no idea, i get mixed signals, some people say it's busy picking up, other people say we haven't seen the bottom yet
[17:18] <Kilos> it must , the ones they use at shooting ranges
[17:18] <psychicist> a lot of fireworks are just as powerful as dynamite, you can blow up cars with them
[17:18] <charl_> yeah but take a look at where they come from... there isn't much to lose :)
[17:18] <psychicist> yeah :)
[17:18] <charl_> oh yes but those are not normal Kilos 
[17:19] <charl_> i used to practise shooting, you have internal ones and ones that go over them
[17:19] <charl_> that's not comfortable at all
[17:19] <Kilos> no man they got tiny rubber ones you push in your ears
[17:19] <charl_> but you have no alternative because you can go death from shooting too often
[17:19] <charl_> yes and big ones that go over them that look like the ones the people on the runway at the airport have on
[17:19] <charl_> or those are the ones that i used in any case
[17:20] <charl_> those ones are really good actually
[17:20] <Kilos> or head fones from pc with music on
[17:20] <Kilos> hehe
[17:20] <charl_> lol then you need to put the music on very loud and you go death from those
[17:20] <charl_> that
[17:20] <Kilos> deaf
[17:20] <charl_> deaf sorry
[17:20] <charl_> haha
[17:21] <Kilos> no man i did lots of shooting without ear plugs and still hear a bit
[17:21] <Kilos> haha
[17:22] <charl_> lol
[17:22] <charl_> thank you that makes me feel much better :)
[17:23] <Kilos> lol
[17:24] <Kilos> you can always wrap a tick pillow over your head
[17:24] <Kilos> thick
[17:24] <charl_> hahahahaha lekker
[17:24] <charl_> that sounds comfortable :)
[17:24] <Kilos> and warm
[17:25] <charl_> that could be nice this time of year right
[17:27] <Kilos> Maaz, seen GoTango
[17:27] <Maaz> Kilos: GoTango was last seen 1 day, 9 hours, 23 minutes and 48 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-12-29 00:04:02 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-12-29 04:08:50 PST
[17:28] <charl_> Maaz: seen cantide
[17:28] <Maaz> charl_: cantide was last seen 4 hours, 18 minutes and 26 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-12-30 05:09:40 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-12-30 05:26:58 PST
[17:28] <Kilos> what time is pst?
[17:28] <charl_> pacific standard time
[17:28] <charl_> must have just missed him, how's he doing
[17:29] <Kilos> i was asleep
[17:29] <charl_> why is maaz on pacific standard time
[17:29] <Kilos> i dunno
[17:29] <charl_> maybe it's the server he is running on
[17:29] <charl_> that's like USA west-coast time
[17:30] <Kilos> oh my. he used to be in germany
[17:31] <charl_> maaz abandoned civilisation and went to the land of yankees?
[17:31] <Maaz> charl_: What?
[17:31] <charl_> Maaz: you suck
[17:31] <Maaz> charl_: Sorry...
[17:36] <charl_> we should ask the man of the belgian music about this
[17:36] <Kilos> huh?
[17:36] <charl_> cocooncrash
[17:36] <Kilos> he seems very busy. doesnt answer here anymore
[17:37] <charl_> bah he abandoned his brethren
[17:37] <Kilos> hehe
[17:49] <charl_> Maaz: ping charl.eu
[17:49] <Maaz> charl_: 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4003ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.937/0.998/1.036/0.048 ms
[17:49] <charl_> no he's still in germany
[17:50] <charl_> there is no way that ping is even leaving the data centre
[17:51] <charl_> Maaz: tracepath charl.eu
[17:51] <Maaz> charl_:  1:  mammon.mene.za.net                                    0.151ms pmtu 1500
[17:51] <Maaz>  1:  physical.omnia.za.net                                 0.432ms
[17:51] <Maaz>  1:  physical.omnia.za.net                                 0.433ms
[17:51] <Maaz>  2:  static.129.97.40.188.clients.your-server.de           2.667ms
[17:51] <Maaz>  3:  hos-tr1.juniper1.rz10.hetzner.de                      0.759ms
[17:51] <Maaz>  4:  core21.hetzner.de                                     0.930ms
[17:51] <Maaz>  5:  juniper3.rz12.hetzner.de                             64.779ms
[17:51] <Maaz>  6:  hos-tr4.ms-ex3k2.rz13.hetzner.de                      3.605ms
[17:51] <Maaz>  7:  charl.eu                                              1.684ms reached
[17:51] <Maaz>      Resume: pmtu 1500 hops 7 back 58
[18:17] <charl_> hi poklep 
[18:17] <Kilos> hi poklep welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:28] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:30] <Kilos> i wonder why peeps do that
[19:05] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight