[06:17] hi bduk1 and others [06:20] Morning Kilos and others [06:53] morning all :) [06:54] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:54] :) [07:31] hi SilverCode Vince-0 [07:35] hi! [09:17] hi aquarat [10:41] hi tinuva [10:47] Maaz, hi [10:48] * Maaz waves to Kilos- [10:48] yay === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [11:05] hi Kilos [11:05] hi Vince-0 [11:05] hi ThatGraemeGuy [11:14] 'lo [11:18] hi [11:18] im at the office whoot [11:18] really? [11:19] so you must be one of the few people working there today? [11:26] yup, [11:26] chose not to take leave [11:27] hi psychicist [12:47] howsit [12:48] shit it is hot outside :p [12:51] Aand oom kilos '-'/ [12:53] kbmonkey ! [12:54] And vince-0 [12:54] '-'/ [13:01] surp! [13:03] Chilling in bed and eating [13:04] What's up in SA? [13:07] It's already 10 pm here ㅠㅠ [13:09] 15:00 and I'm looking to jump ship from the office [13:09] Haha [13:09] Lucky [13:12] hello Vince-0! [13:44] sorry i was asleep [13:45] good afternoon [13:45] Maaz: coffee on [13:45] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [13:45] hi charl_ [13:45] Maaz, coffee please [13:45] Kilos: Okay [13:45] Maaz, and grandpa [13:45] ai! Kilos headache again? [13:46] charl_, you got time to explain something to me [13:46] english not geek [13:46] hi Kilos [13:46] sure thing, throw it [13:46] gooi should i say :) [13:47] what is a domain and whats the diffs between that and a site [13:47] i got a site at weebly and it keeps offering a domain [13:48] then i looked here for a freedomain thing http://www.prchecker.info/web-hosting/best-free-domain-name-services/ [13:49] but dont know what one would do with a domain and a site [13:49] Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos! [13:49] Maaz, ty [13:49] You are welcome Kilos [13:50] ok, here goes [13:50] a domain is something like google.com [13:50] sjoe [13:51] if you type that domain into your browser, a site opens [13:51] what does one do with a domain [13:51] that site will, in this case, be google search because that's the site that lives at google.com [13:51] oh so you have a site in a domain [13:51] a site could also live under the domain [13:52] for example you could have a site under example.com/kilos [13:52] and other peeps also have sites in that domain [13:52] a site is just a collection of web pages, usually maintained by the same person or the same group of people [13:52] yes i could have a site under example.com/charl [13:52] and there could be another site under the root of example.com [13:52] ok [13:53] so why would a person want a domain [13:53] you could also have a subdomain like kilos.example.com or charl.example.com [13:53] just because it makes it easy to find your site [13:53] these days most people just use google to find stuff in any case [13:53] huh? [13:53] so having a nice domain doesn't matter so much [13:54] is the diffs just in the address [13:54] yup [13:54] that's all it's about, is the address [13:54] ok [13:54] but you could also have more stuff like email, xmpp and other services like irc [13:54] for example, if you connect to freenode you go to irc.freenode.net for example [13:54] but if i have a site i can surely shorten the link [13:54] or i connect directly to a specific server in germany which is kornbluth.freenode.net [13:54] and somehow let google know about it [13:55] eh, google should automatically find stuff if you like to it from other places [13:55] you could use url shorteners too [13:55] but these days people usually don't care about that so much anymore [13:55] if you have a company it makes sense to have a domain in the country where you're based [13:55] but it's more a facade than anything else, just gives you that "corporate presence" [13:56] oh [13:56] for example, a company wants everyone to send email from an address @theirdomain.nl for example [13:56] it just makes it look coherent and professional [13:56] like you are officially representing the company, it comes across better than mailing @gmail.com [13:56] in reality it doesn't really make much of a technical difference, if the mail arrives then who cares [13:57] yeash [13:57] these days a lot of people just use forwarders and other fancy stuff to achieve the same effect [13:57] but it's like if you want to contact vodacom, you expect to mail someone @vodacom.co.za, not @gmail.com [13:57] oh now its sinking in [13:58] same if you want to go to vodacom's website [13:58] you would much rather go to vodacom.co.za than somevaguenonsense.example.com/someotherthing/andetc [13:59] thats surely for big companies [13:59] yes exactly [13:59] you get people like me who host everything on a vps and need my own domain for that too [13:59] like i use charl.eu for that purpose, it is nice and short, easy to remember [13:59] and it's very easy to tell people over the telephone [13:59] if somebody asks me what my address is it is simply @.eu [14:00] but most people don't need to go that far, an @gmail.com or @outlook.com or even @yahoo.com is good enough [14:00] all that i would not recommend is using your ISP's mailbox like @ziggo.nl for example [14:00] because then if you change ISP your mail address also changes [14:01] i want things as simple as possible [14:01] and just a small free site with a shopping cart [14:02] in south africa you _can_ register a free domain at www.za.net [14:02] then you can get something like kilos.za.net or kilos.za.org if you want (if it's available) [14:02] but then you still need to configure dns, etc [14:02] do they give you space for nothing [14:02] no only a domain [14:02] then you must point it at your web host where your site lives [14:02] again im lost [14:03] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_name_registrar [14:03] is a domain only a link to somewhere [14:03] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_hosting_service [14:03] yes exactly [14:03] not actually like a server somewhere [14:03] exactly [14:03] za.net is a domain registrar [14:04] whew [14:04] then you point it at a hosting service [14:04] ok [14:04] the above wikipedia links give in-depth detail [14:04] lets say i build a shopping site at weebly [14:04] then i get a domain and link the site to it? [14:05] yes [14:05] you will also need a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_hosting_service [14:05] so you register a domain, point it at a dns hosting service [14:06] and then you configure your dns at the dns hosting service to point to your hosting provider [14:06] whew that enough for today ty. unhappy head day [14:06] so you have three components you will need to get organised [14:06] shame sorry to hear :( [14:06] hope you feeling better soon! :) [14:06] its part of my life man. [14:06] nah but still [14:06] just some days worse [14:07] i just broke my arm two weeks ago [14:07] mainly after doing physical stuffs [14:07] it isn't even that serious but it upsets your routine [14:07] ya must be near plaster off time [14:07] got it removed this morning! [14:07] aha [14:07] now its thinner than the other one [14:08] yes just came back from the hospital before coming on irc [14:08] not really, but my arm did get stiff [14:08] nurse it for a while [14:08] so now i need to exercise it [14:08] but it's nice being able to turn my wrist again so i can type semi-normally [14:08] lotsa typing [14:08] hehe [14:08] it was so much problems not being able to type [14:08] and it was my right arm which is also my dominant arm [14:08] eish [14:08] so i had to do everything with my "weak" hand [14:09] not so nice, but of well, it's something that passes so not something i want to complain about too hard [14:09] lol [14:09] i think i am going to go out and buy some turkish food shortly [14:09] ty for the help [14:09] i am feeling like some donner kebab [14:09] doner with one n [14:09] what kinda kebab is that [14:10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab [14:10] kebabs are food [14:10] no man [14:10] stop the links [14:10] it comes from a rotating spit [14:10] they all tons to read [14:10] super popular with turks [14:11] Doner kebab (/ˈdɒnər kəˈbæb/, /ˈdoʊnər/; Turkish: döner or döner kebap, [døˈneɾ̝̊ keˈbap]) is a Turkish dish made of meat cooked on a vertical spit, normally lamb but also a mixture of veal or beef with these, or sometimes chicken. The dish is also widely known by its Arabic name "shawarma" or the Greek name "gyros". [14:11] lol i remember eating shawarmas in durbs [14:12] they cut bits of meat of a rotating leg on a spit [14:12] off [14:12] yes [14:12] that is it exactly [14:13] except here they put it in a bread (broodje doner) or a turkish pizza (lahmakun) [14:13] or they even make a "kapsalon" out of it [14:13] lahmacun sorry [14:13] it has a soft dough and you roll it up like a pancake [14:13] delicious [14:14] if i member right shawarmas are meat in a foldup kinda pastry [14:14] like 2 flat round slices of bread glued together aover about 3/4 of it [14:15] a pita bread yes [14:15] or that is what we use here [14:15] lekker [14:15] yes very :) [14:15] now are you talking my language ! [14:15] in more ways than one, lol [14:15] hehe nearly all food is lekker [14:15] not all :P [14:16] if you give me that horrible slimey snot that we ate in knysna [14:16] only olives suck [14:16] what is it called... oysters [14:16] no olives are delicious (for me) [14:16] oooo i love oysters and mussels [14:16] used to eat them off the rocks [14:16] i eat tons of olives, olive oil, olive tapenade, olive pesto, everything olive [14:16] eeeek [14:17] whole olives, olive spread, whatever [14:17] i eat it [14:17] all kinds of olives, especially the dark ones [14:17] olives are like whisky [14:17] yuk [14:17] well at least there we can agree, i don't like whiskey either [14:17] i don't really drink any hard liquor, only beer [14:18] even wine i dislike [14:18] here at the christmas dinner we had at work i was offered some gluewein [14:18] glühwein [14:18] i dont drink any of that for last 20 years or more [14:18] it is warm and it tastes watery (the stuff that i had) YUCK [14:19] NO THANK YOU [14:19] give me some nice hefeweissbier instead [14:22] ok i am going to go into town shortly [14:22] bbl [14:23] i go fetch sheep [14:41] wb psychicist [14:44] ty Kilos [14:45] my e220 is weird. in the morning it times out 2 or 3 times then runs fine the whole avy [14:45] ohi superfly [14:46] hmm [14:46] hi kilos [15:05] wb Vince-0 [15:05] oh haai [15:05] I went home [15:05] thought so [15:08] hi spinza [15:08] superfly* [15:08] spinza, lurks lots [15:54] inetpro, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530681/Michael-Schumacher-brain-surgery-piste-skiing-accident-leaves-coma.html [16:02] ok back [16:02] hi psychicist [16:02] hi Vince-0 [16:02] wb [16:02] shumi inna bad way it seems [16:03] it's sad indeed [16:03] yeah [16:04] the talk earlier made me hungry so just had kapsalon [16:04] am full now :) [16:04] haha [16:04] delicious though [16:11] hi charl_ [16:14] how's it going [16:14] the first bombs are being thrown already but it is much more quite this year than last year [16:14] the war seems to be less serious now with the recession than previously, people have less money to waste [16:15] I'm ok, still in the hague [16:15] haha [16:15] yeah [16:17] nice, how is the hague this time of year [16:17] here by us it is unusually warm [16:17] last time i went to the hague i went to scheveningen in the summer [17:11] oops apparently we had a massive ddos in the office [17:11] went in excess of 20gbps [17:11] fortunately our external capacity on that link is twice that [17:11] but from what i read it caused some bgp problems [17:14] oh, it's good [17:14] but it's also a war zone over here [17:15] i assume in the randstad it will be worse than over here in the east [17:15] but i still think this year is much more peaceful than last year [17:16] yeah [17:16] which is a good sign [17:16] well not a good sign for the economy though [17:17] that too [17:17] but i do enjoy the peace, i wish they would ban the fireworks [17:17] do you think the economy over here in the netherlands still needs a lot of time to recover? [17:17] just put ear plugs in man [17:18] Kilos: heh with this madness that won't even help [17:18] poland is improving year over year and probably the rest of eastern europe does too [17:18] haha [17:18] psychicist: i have no idea, i get mixed signals, some people say it's busy picking up, other people say we haven't seen the bottom yet [17:18] it must , the ones they use at shooting ranges [17:18] a lot of fireworks are just as powerful as dynamite, you can blow up cars with them [17:18] yeah but take a look at where they come from... there isn't much to lose :) [17:18] yeah :) [17:18] oh yes but those are not normal Kilos [17:19] i used to practise shooting, you have internal ones and ones that go over them [17:19] that's not comfortable at all [17:19] no man they got tiny rubber ones you push in your ears [17:19] but you have no alternative because you can go death from shooting too often [17:19] yes and big ones that go over them that look like the ones the people on the runway at the airport have on [17:19] or those are the ones that i used in any case [17:20] those ones are really good actually [17:20] or head fones from pc with music on [17:20] hehe [17:20] lol then you need to put the music on very loud and you go death from those [17:20] that [17:20] deaf [17:20] deaf sorry [17:20] haha [17:21] no man i did lots of shooting without ear plugs and still hear a bit [17:21] haha [17:22] lol [17:22] thank you that makes me feel much better :) [17:23] lol [17:24] you can always wrap a tick pillow over your head [17:24] thick [17:24] hahahahaha lekker [17:24] that sounds comfortable :) [17:24] and warm [17:25] that could be nice this time of year right [17:27] Maaz, seen GoTango [17:27] Kilos: GoTango was last seen 1 day, 9 hours, 23 minutes and 48 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-12-29 00:04:02 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-12-29 04:08:50 PST [17:28] Maaz: seen cantide [17:28] charl_: cantide was last seen 4 hours, 18 minutes and 26 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-12-30 05:09:40 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-12-30 05:26:58 PST [17:28] what time is pst? [17:28] pacific standard time [17:28] must have just missed him, how's he doing [17:29] i was asleep [17:29] why is maaz on pacific standard time [17:29] i dunno [17:29] maybe it's the server he is running on [17:29] that's like USA west-coast time [17:30] oh my. he used to be in germany [17:31] maaz abandoned civilisation and went to the land of yankees? [17:31] charl_: What? [17:31] Maaz: you suck [17:31] charl_: Sorry... [17:36] we should ask the man of the belgian music about this [17:36] huh? [17:36] cocooncrash [17:36] he seems very busy. doesnt answer here anymore [17:37] bah he abandoned his brethren [17:37] hehe [17:49] Maaz: ping charl.eu [17:49] charl_: 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4003ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.937/0.998/1.036/0.048 ms [17:49] no he's still in germany [17:50] there is no way that ping is even leaving the data centre [17:51] Maaz: tracepath charl.eu [17:51] charl_: 1: mammon.mene.za.net 0.151ms pmtu 1500 [17:51] 1: physical.omnia.za.net 0.432ms [17:51] 1: physical.omnia.za.net 0.433ms [17:51] 2: static.129.97.40.188.clients.your-server.de 2.667ms [17:51] 3: hos-tr1.juniper1.rz10.hetzner.de 0.759ms [17:51] 4: core21.hetzner.de 0.930ms [17:51] 5: juniper3.rz12.hetzner.de 64.779ms [17:51] 6: hos-tr4.ms-ex3k2.rz13.hetzner.de 3.605ms [17:51] 7: charl.eu 1.684ms reached [17:51] Resume: pmtu 1500 hops 7 back 58 [18:17] hi poklep [18:17] hi poklep welcome to ubuntu-za [18:28] hmm... [18:30] i wonder why peeps do that [19:05] night all. sleep tight