[00:53] <James0r> strange. just out of the blue my fn brightness keys work.
[04:01] <viktor> с новым годом!
[04:03] <Unit193> !ru | viktor
[04:20] <ignerious_> helloo
[04:22] <ignerious_> i am unable to boot to windows 8 when my Kubuntu hard drive is attached
[04:22] <ignerious_> please help urgent
[04:23] <ignerious_> it is showing a BSOD with "inacessable_boot_device"
[04:57] <ignerious_> please anyone help
[04:57] <ignerious_> pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[08:14] <amichair> I just got a notification that a new version of Kubuntu is available (I'm on Saucy, with release notifications set to Normal Releases). Strange...
[08:20] <valorie> amichair: do you have backports enabled?
[08:20] <valorie> perhaps it is a notification of 4.12?
[08:22] <lordievader> Goor morning.
[08:23] <ghil> morning!
[08:23] <lordievader> Ugh made the mistake here too...
[08:23]  * lordievader isn't awake yet.
[08:23] <lordievader> Hey ghil, how are you?
[08:23] <ghil> great, if tired. It's 3 in the morning where I am :p
[08:24] <amichair> valorie: I have backports enabled. and already have 4.12.0. And it was a notification that looks like a new kubuntu release notification... (I clicked on it out of curiosity, but it just disappeared and nothing happened.)
[08:25] <valorie> strange
[08:25] <amichair> indeed
[08:25] <valorie> sounds like apt got confused, which baffled muon
[08:25] <amichair> I was running apt-get update & upgrade from cli, with the only update being dropbox package
[08:33] <ghil> if it was today's update, there's not just dropbox, but a new linux-generic, image and headers.
[08:48] <amichair> Also, ever since I upgraded KDE to 4.12.0, the panel freezes several times a day (rest of desktop, alt-tab etc. are ok), then after a few minutes it unfreezes and goes back to normal. Is this a known issue?
[08:49] <valorie> hmmm
[08:49] <valorie> I've heard people reporting this, but not so much kubuntu people
[08:50] <valorie> I wonder if it's a kernel or driver problem?
[08:50] <valorie> I experience nothing like this
[08:51] <amichair> valorie: I was wondering too. I can't use desktop effects for about a year now, which I tend to blame on the nvidia driver (just a guess). But this being only the panel and not other stuff,  I tend to point the finger at kde more than the drivers. I may be wrong.
[08:52] <amichair> plus, as far as I know it started happening right with the 4.12.0 update
[08:53] <valorie> you might look at bugs.kde.org and see if anyone has something similar
[08:53] <valorie> chime in on it
[08:54] <amichair> in the past year my experience with kubuntu/kde/nvidia went from an awesome working desktop to no effects, flaky multi-monitor support, and now frozen panel. I'm actually considering trying a different distro for the first time since I started using kubunut at 6.06 :-(
[08:55] <amichair> (and a bunch of other little annoyances too)
[08:55] <valorie> :(
[08:55] <valorie> there are lots of ISOs out there
[08:56] <valorie> this isn't religion -- you should have something that works for ya
[08:56] <amichair> true
[08:56] <amichair> but it would be a hard break-up :-)
[08:56] <valorie> you can always double-boot
[08:58] <amichair> maybe I'll give a shot at manually installing the latest nvidia drivers first. should I expect any issues with that?
[09:00] <valorie> here's what i know:
[09:00] <valorie> !nvidia
[09:00] <valorie> :-)
[09:00] <valorie> I've not had to do special drivers for many years
[09:16] <amichair> valorie: me neither
[09:16] <amichair> I thought those days were behind me
[09:17] <amichair> darn, 331 isn't available in saucy repos
[09:17] <amichair> I'll try it straight from nvidia website
[09:19] <amichair> wish me luck :-)
[09:20] <valorie> luck, amichair!
[09:26] <ghil> rah, I saw his message way too late, it would've been better to add the X updates PPA.
[09:35] <amichair> well I got back to the desktop, so that's a good start
[09:35] <lordievader> amichair: Yayy, but is the driver loaded?
[09:36] <amichair> I've turned on effects, so I think so. How do I check?
[09:36] <amichair> now with effects and second monitor turned on only a few window contents go black isntead of both screens going black... so that's an improvement too!
[09:36] <lordievader> amichair: lscpi -k |grep -A 2 VGA
[09:37] <amichair> Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[09:37] <amichair> is that the line I'm looking for?
[09:38] <lordievader> amichair: Exactly, and that should be the closed source driver. Else it would read nouveau I suppose.
[09:38] <amichair> ok, so now I just have to keep working until a panel freeze occurs (or not)
[09:38] <ghil> also it's lspci, not lscpi.
[09:38] <amichair> ghil: yeah, got that :-)
[09:39] <ghil> :)
[09:39] <ghil> that makes me think I haven't updated my server's driver yet.
[09:39]  * lordievader still isn't awake...
[09:39] <amichair> those black windows... I've seen them before too. minimize+restore brings the window content back.
[09:40] <amichair> You think that's also the driver's fault?
[09:40] <ghil> not likely. I'm thinking the compositor.
[09:40] <ghil> or a brilliant mix of the two.
[09:40] <amichair> who's the compositor in this case?
[09:41] <amichair> kwin?
[09:41] <ghil> yep.
[09:41] <amichair> hmmm I thought they switched to lightdm... or maybe I'm mixing things up. They're both window managers?
[09:42] <ghil> lightdm is the display manager.
[09:42] <amichair> I don't see it in the process list
[09:43] <amichair> darn, I just turned off the second monitor, and the first one went black (other than cursor). So that issue is still there. And I still can't leave desktop effects on :-(
[09:44] <ghil> did you recently update Xorg?
[09:45] <ghil> did you try changing the effects from openGL to Xrender?
[09:45] <amichair> what's the xorg package name to check?
[09:46] <ghil> (Desktop Effects, Advanced, Compositing Type: Xrender)
[09:46] <amichair> I've had this problem for months now, so not sure if it followed an xorg update at the time
[09:46] <ghil> try Xrender first, then we'll see if we have to update xorg, but I don't think it's the problem.
[09:47] <amichair> ghil: and qt graphics system native or raster (it was raster, but when changing to xrender it reverted to native)
[09:47] <amichair> ?
[09:47] <ghil> yeah that's normal.
[09:47] <ghil> go for native.
[09:47] <ghil> Raster is somewhat slower anyway.
[09:47] <amichair> "failed to activate desktop effects..."
[09:49] <amichair> ghil: what next?
[09:49] <ghil> hmm..I've been checking forums (I'm pretty much out of ideas at this point) and you're definitely not alone. What is your graphic card?
[09:50] <amichair> nvidia 9300
[09:50] <amichair> hmmm... I just tried opengl 2.0 again, but changed raster -> native
[09:51] <ghil> did it work?
[09:51] <amichair> turning on/off second monitor appears ok!
[09:51] <ghil> Ooooh.
[09:51] <ghil> :D
[09:52] <amichair> I'll leave it like this for now for a few days of natural use, see how it goes...
[09:52] <amichair> ghil: thanks!
[09:52] <amichair> and still wait for some panel freezes too
[09:52] <amichair> who knows, maybe they only occur with effects off :-)
[09:53] <ghil> :)
[09:53] <amichair> btw newer nvidia drivers don't get backported in repos right?
[09:53] <amichair> I'll have to stick with manual updates until the next release?
[09:54] <ghil> yeah no they don't. you can go a little bleeding edge and add the xedgers PPA though.
[09:54] <ghil> I wouldn't recommend it on a production machine, but if you're feeling lucky and know how to revert packages, it's always up to date.
[09:55] <ghil> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[09:55] <amichair> ghil: I read about it, but got the impression it'll update all sorts of other stuff, and I'd rather keep it down to a minimum.
[09:55] <amichair> and the nvidia drivers installed dkms, so as I understand it there will be no problem with kernel updates etc.
[09:56] <ghil> oh it will. It updates Xorg/nvidia to it's latest incarnation always. It's not debian stable, if you know what I mean.
[09:56] <amichair> (I used to need to re-install the drivers each time the kernel was updated in older versions, if memory serves)
[09:56] <ghil> essentially yeah, but you can't be sure.
[09:56] <ghil> yeah an headers and image refresh was necessary each time.
[09:57] <ghil> but normally nowadays, everything's fine.
[09:58] <amichair> valorie, ghil: well thanks again, I'll run it like this and see to what new and exciting issues it takes me ;-)
[09:58] <ghil> good luck, if there's anything we're there :P
[09:58] <amichair> ghil: much appreciated :-)
[11:07] <ghil> I'm wondering something weird...would it be possible to sync my configs (like my zshrc) through dropbox so that my server and computer and work computer all have the same configs? I think I'm gonna search for that :D
[11:08] <vmusr> ghil, sure but you'll automate it
[11:08] <vmusr> need to*
[11:09] <vmusr> like on login or via cron
[11:09] <ghil> oh, via cron would be nice. o.O thanks for the tip vmusr
[11:11] <vmusr> ghil, np just keep in mind that you'll have to make sure that the environment is perfectly the same
[11:11] <vmusr> otherwise even an small update might screw you big time
[11:14] <ghil> I'll keep that in mind. thanks :)
[11:22] <sark25> #kde-in
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:22] <thelionroars> happy new year
[13:22] <ghil> morning :)
[13:23] <BluesKaj> happy new year to all
[14:33] <Whiskey`Wonka> arrhg
[14:34] <Whiskey`Wonka> ok so some oddness with my touchpad. it doesnt multi touch ...
[14:39] <Whiskey`Wonka> and tpconfig only works with ps2 (/dev/psaux) devices???
[14:46] <Whiskey`Wonka> ok i need to resize the touch pad, this design is horrible. what software on linux lets you do that? windows has the synaptic software
[16:09] <BluesKaj> looking for a method to prevent blank screen on this lenovo G500 when the HDMI is connected to an external monitor. The external is fine (HDTV) with correct res and audio.
[17:02] <geothom> happy new year everyone
[17:18] <ptomblin> Hey all, I just tried to set up a second video card and a third monitor, and now everything is screwed up.
[17:18] <ptomblin> Can anybody help me?
[17:19] <ptomblin> I had the two monitors set up using "Twin View" and it worked great, but with the htird monitor it made me make it a separate x screen, so now I can move my cursor from one screen to another but I can't drag a window from one to the other.
[17:43] <jalcine> ptomblin: can you manually switch screens using Kwin?
[17:43] <jalcine> like when you open the window's menu and select Screen
[17:43] <ptomblin> No, it shows all three screens, but it won't move the window to them.
[17:47] <ptomblin> What I can do is add a panel to the other screens and start apps on them, but evidently if I have that app already running on the main screen, it goes there instead.
[17:48] <ptomblin> And the system settings -> display and monitor will only show the monitor that it's currently running on.
[19:03] <ptomblin> Ok, now I have two options:
[19:04] <ptomblin> - I went into nvidia-settings an enabled xinerama, and things are working right (although they're a bit flickery)
[19:04] <ptomblin> - I booted from a live CD, and everything worked right, and wasn't flickery.
[19:07] <ptomblin> So supposing I wanted to get rid of all the fancy nvidia stuff and make it configure itself the way it does when I booted the live CD, what do I need to do? Delete xorg.conf? Blow away my .kde directory?
[20:27] <garrett_> I hope someone can help me, I'm running Kubuntu 13.10, on an Acer laptop. I decided  to install Wicd, I downloaded both Wicd, and a backup copy of Network Manager, and also a copy of Connman. NM, and Wicd are both debian.tar.gz, Connman is a .deb. I uninstalled NM, then Wicd would not intstall, neither would CM. Tried to reinstall NM no luck either.
[20:28] <garrett_> When trying NM, or Wicd, in terminal I always get, "file not found", "file does not exist", or "not a directory".
[20:31] <BluesKaj> garrett_, where you trying wicd from, it should be in your /home/user/Downloads file and may need to be extracted there
[20:32] <garrett_> Actually I moved it to the home folder, so I wouldn't have to "cd" anywhere. I've read probably a hundred how-to's, and followed them completly, with no luck.
[20:33] <garrett_> I extracted, read the "Read Me Install" file, followed it, but the terminal will not find it. Or gives some kind of error.
[20:35] <BluesKaj> garrett_, what wifi chip , lspci -nn | egrep -i 'net|wire'
[20:51] <Guest87738> is there irc channels for advice?
[21:36] <aoms> hello
[22:17] <Jeruvy> I may even kiss a few not so nice ;D
[22:17] <Jeruvy> oops wrong channel :)
[22:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> oops indeed
[22:19] <Jeruvy> Well since I'm already OT, Happy New Years :)
[22:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol, Happy New Year