[00:00] <bananagram> something definitely went wrong
[00:00] <Unit193> That's what I'm thinking, can still normally recover from a half update.
[00:00] <ObrienDave> do you have a 13.10 ISO available?
[00:00] <bananagram> no, but I can download one
[00:01] <ObrienDave> thinking that might be handy to have just in case
[00:01] <bananagram> can I run upgrade again to complete it?
[00:02] <ObrienDave> i think so, not 100% sure. Unit193 ?
[00:02] <bananagram> bbl
[00:03] <ObrienDave> k
[00:06] <Unit193> bananagram: Yes and no, since your sources.list is on the next release, you just dist-upgrade from there.  AFAIK, it just doesn't do the last step of removing some obsolete packages.
[00:17] <bananagram> Unit193: okay
[00:17] <bananagram> isn't that done with an apt-get command?
[00:18] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:18] <bananagram> I mean removing obsolete packages
[00:19] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get autoremove
[00:19] <Unit193> It updates them, but libdns99 is a package, and so is libdns98.  autoremove may take some, yeah.
[00:20] <bananagram> okay
[00:25] <bananagram> I don't know why but the disk is still being thrashed
[00:25] <bananagram> even though the upgrader should be completely dead by now
[00:25] <bananagram> 2/4 cores are constantly waiting for something
[00:27] <ObrienDave> do you hear head noise (seeking) or is it just spinning?
[00:28] <bananagram> I hear it doing somethign periodically
[00:28] <bananagram> I don't know disk sounds well
[00:29] <ObrienDave> if you hear subtle clicks it's probably seeking (reading/writing)
[00:29] <bananagram> it's not doing that
[00:30] <bananagram> every three or four seconds the sound peaks for a fraction of a second
[00:30] <ObrienDave> probably seeking
[00:30] <bananagram> then drops off, peaks again .2 seconds later, then drops off again
[00:31] <ObrienDave> like a whirring noise? platter speed up and down?
[00:31] <bananagram> collections of the writing noise
[00:31] <bananagram> maybe
[00:32] <ObrienDave> does the drive light blink/flash (not in a rhythm)
[00:33] <bananagram> no, it's constant
[00:36] <bananagram> is there an io monitor?
[00:36] <ObrienDave> that i don't know.
[00:38] <Unit193> htop can.
[00:38] <bananagram> I switched to a tty and logged in and it's giving me periodic IO errors...
[00:38] <bekks> bananagram: htop, iotop, vmstat
[00:38] <bananagram> I don't like this
[00:38] <bekks> bananagram: and sar as well.
[00:38] <bekks> bananagram: Then investigate dmesg.
[00:38] <fibz_> might want to look at the smart log
[00:38] <bananagram> if I can get back to a terminal
[00:39] <bananagram> there
[00:40] <bananagram> wow, load average ~7
[01:16] <ObrienDave> still stalled?
[02:01] <bananagram> I'm backing up files
[02:01] <Unit193> BTW, your name related to the game?
[02:01] <bananagram> fsck should fix it but it's a bad idea to assume that
[02:01]  * bananagram lost the game
[02:02] <Unit193> Heh, wrong game.
[02:02] <bananagram> what game?
[02:03] <Unit193> Bananagrams.
[02:48] <Cyberworm> hello
[02:48] <bananagram> hello
[02:49] <Cyberworm> whenever I try to set the system font to a bitmap font xfce4-panel crashes and can't be started again without changing the font in ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xsettings.xml
[02:51] <well_laid_lawn> if you try to start xfce4-panel from a terminal it should so some error message when it crashes
[02:51] <Cyberworm> okay, just a sec
[02:53] <Cyberworm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6666335/ here you go
[02:54] <well_laid_lawn> are you sure you are giving the name of bitmap font correctly?
[02:54] <well_laid_lawn> in the right format?
[02:55] <Cyberworm> yes, I set it via the settings-manager
[02:55] <Cyberworm> I'm currently using the font in this terminal
[02:56] <Cyberworm> also I just noticed a different error message that might be more relevant: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6666340/
[02:57] <well_laid_lawn> does seem like the font isn't in the correct form or the panel can't use bitmap fonts
[02:58] <well_laid_lawn> but that's just a guess, if no one here can give any help someone in #xfce might know about it
[02:59] <Cyberworm> thanks
[03:03] <Cyberworm> be right back, rebooting
[03:08] <xubuntu644> Anyone have an opinion on what's the best torrent for Xubuntu and regular Ubuntu?
[03:10] <Unit193> Client?
[03:10] <xubuntu644> Yea. I hard that Deluge Bit Torrent Client is good, but does it really matter?
[03:11] <Unit193> Depends on what features you need, deluge has the ones I need so I use that one.
[03:12] <xubuntu644> deluge
[03:13] <xubuntu644> Do you know if it's possible in deluge to set it up to run a Clamav antivirus scan on  every download?
[03:14] <Unit193> You can execute a program, so you should be able to no problem.
[03:14] <xubuntu644> Sweet, thanks man.
[04:16] <peyam> Im using 400 gb RAM and im doing nothing
[04:18] <Unit193> Something tells me that's not quite right. :)
[04:18] <peyam> well yes.
[04:19] <peyam> 400 Gb for doing nothing. im glad it uses so much if it would go faster but the speed is not changing
[04:21] <well_laid_lawn> you can use top in a terminal to see what's using the ram
[04:21] <well_laid_lawn> 400mB isn't normal
[04:22] <peyam> well_laid_lawn, wait
[04:23] <peyam> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6666623/ well_laid_lawn
[04:23] <peyam> well_laid_lawn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6666623/
[04:24] <peyam> 790356 used
[04:27] <well_laid_lawn> peyam:  try   free -m   and look at used in the buffers/cache line
[04:27] <peyam> ända disten jag gillar med ubuntu och den funkar inte
[04:28] <peyam> well_laid_lawn, can u explain the column. whats is vir
[04:28] <peyam> Mem:          3405        820       2585          0         66        381
[04:29] <peyam> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6666650/ well_laid_lawn
[04:30] <well_laid_lawn> there's no vir in that line
[04:31] <peyam> first link
[04:31] <peyam> u see I use 820 Mb ram
[04:31] <well_laid_lawn> you should just worry about the buffers/cache line - the used column shows what you are usong
[04:31] <peyam> yeah its still 400 Mb
[04:32] <well_laid_lawn> paste the full output from free -m
[04:33] <peyam> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6666655/
[04:35] <well_laid_lawn> well that shows 549mB used - I guess the kernel is doing stuff since nothing showed in top or /proc/mem
[04:36] <well_laid_lawn> been building programs or something?
[04:36] <peyam> well im do matlab, it just simple calculations
[04:36] <peyam> no linux extension. just simple calculations
[04:36] <peyam> that are not running
[04:37] <well_laid_lawn> you aren't using any swap so I wouldn't worry
[04:37] <peyam> no
[04:37] <well_laid_lawn> memory is there to be used
[04:38] <peyam> yes. but if RAM usage is so high at doing nothing. what would happen if I actually do alot
[04:38] <well_laid_lawn> what's the uptime ?
[04:38] <peyam> 35 minutes
[04:39] <peyam> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6666623/  why is conky 609 M
[04:39] <well_laid_lawn> you are doing something you have matlab and a chat open
[04:39] <peyam> what does it mean
[04:39] <peyam> no
[04:39] <peyam> Matlab is not open at the moment
[04:39] <peyam> only xchat is open
[04:39] <well_laid_lawn> pkill conky and see what happens
[04:41] <peyam> not so much diff
[04:42] <well_laid_lawn> could be a bad option in conky
[04:43] <well_laid_lawn> must be something on your end as no one else has that much ram used normally
[04:44] <peyam> what do you mean?
[04:44] <peyam> it was different , the out put.  but not so much
[04:44] <peyam> from 194 to 193
[04:48] <well_laid_lawn> peyam:  if you reboot does the ram used go to the same level ?
[04:48] <peyam> yes
[04:48] <peyam> or 6% if I close xchat
[04:48] <peyam> well_laid_lawn, # Subtract file system buffers from used memory?
[04:48] <peyam> no_buffers yes
[04:48] <peyam> in conky
[04:49] <well_laid_lawn> it goes to 400mB + ?
[04:49] <peyam> no
[04:49] <peyam> to 300
[04:49] <peyam> or something. it will be less if I just leave the computer and do absolutely nothing
[04:50] <well_laid_lawn> there must be something you are running that makes it go so high
[04:50] <well_laid_lawn> maybe check autostarted apps or not run conky as a check
[04:51] <peyam> I disable all stuff I dont need
[08:40] <Travis> Hello
[08:41] <Travis> Does anyone here know the login information, for when you try to use Xubuntu 14.04 on the live part of the install disk?
[08:41] <elfy> Travis: yep - set language to English, use xubuntu as username - THEN set session to Xubuntu - then login
[08:41] <Travis> aye
[08:42] <Travis> danke!
[08:42] <elfy> I've found that setting the session before use the username sets session back to xfce
[08:42] <elfy> so do it in ^^order
[08:42] <Unit193> Yep.
[08:43] <elfy> caught me out a couple of times
[08:46] <elfy> Travis: generally #xubuntu-devel , #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-quality would be the best bets for xubuntu dev talk - in that order if I'm about for QA things :)
[08:46] <Travis> aye!
[08:46] <elfy> though I am in all 3 of those channels
[08:46] <Travis> I think I need to head there anyway
[08:46] <Travis> I see something that doesn't look right.
[10:09] <Gabriel> hi
[10:09] <Gabriel> im new to xubuntu
[10:11] <Gabriel> hello?
[10:11] <brainwash> !ask Gabriel
[10:11] <Gabriel> ??
[10:11] <Sysi> !ask | Gabriel
[10:12] <brainwash> :)
[10:12] <Gabriel> ok
[12:14] <xubuntu256> Привет всем =)
[12:16] <cfhowlett> !ru
[12:16] <newuseragus> hello!
[12:16] <cfhowlett> newuseragus, greetings
[12:17] <elfy> !ru | xubuntu256
[12:17] <elfy> !ru
[12:19] <elfy> cfhowlett: bot's just slow then ...
[12:19] <cfhowlett> it happens
[12:23] <ObrienDave> greetings and happy almost new year ;P
[12:24] <cfhowlett> gung hay fat choy
[12:24] <ObrienDave> you do and you'll clean it up ;P
[12:24] <cfhowlett> LOL - ok then
[14:27] <Squall88uk> Hi again all. I need help again lol. Do you know how to make the background behind the text of desktop icons transparent? The solutions i found online didn't seem to work.
[14:37] <ObrienDave> http://askubuntu.com/questions/162092/how-do-i-change-background-color-of-the-desktop-icon-font
[14:39] <Squall88uk> Cheers dave. I'll give that a try. It looks like it might be the same thing i already tried but it wasn't from that specific page so i'll see what happens and let you know.
[14:40] <ObrienDave> k. good luck
[14:41] <Squall88uk> Oh and have a good new year
[14:43] <ObrienDave> u 2
[14:54] <Squall88uk> just a quick query, when it says create .gtkrc-2.0 in my home folder does it mean /home or /home/squall
[14:55] <ObrienDave>  /home/squall
[14:56] <Squall88uk> thought so but wasn't 100%. Thanks
[14:56] <ObrienDave> dang, it would not let me paste /home/squall without the space in front ;/
[14:56] <Squall88uk> weird lol
[14:57] <ObrienDave> ahhhh, HexChat assumes / leads a command LOL
[14:57] <ObrienDave> sheesh, of course ;P
[14:57] <ObrienDave>  home/squall :Unknown command
[14:58] <ObrienDave> or IRC rather
[15:00] <Squall88uk> command? you can use command in IRC? never used IRC until a few days ago
[15:03] <ObrienDave> yes /j or /join #channel connect to a new channel. there are a lot more
[15:04] <ObrienDave>  /nick {name} changes your nick
[15:05] <Squall88uk> ah right cool. I'll remember that
[15:05] <ObrienDave> oops, just did that in a dozen channels at once. my bad LOL
[15:05] <Squall88uk> lol
[15:11] <Squall88uk> It worked. The other pages i read were similar but they didn't work and they had me create another file aswell as the .gtkrc-2.0 one. Thanks again for the help.
[15:12] <ObrienDave> not a problem. did you see the other link?
[15:12] <ObrienDave> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/advanced
[15:16] <Squall88uk> No I didn't see that one. Weirdly i went searching all over the xfce site last night to see if it was on there anywhere and i couldn't find it. I bow to your superior internet skills lol
[15:16] <ObrienDave> no applause, just throw money ;P
[15:17] <Squall88uk> :D *throws coins everywhere
[15:21] <Squall88uk> Anyways thanks again for the help. I'm off to go play with those settings.
[15:21] <ObrienDave> ok, have fun :)
[15:41] <jtaylor3222> Adobe Reader 9.5.5 is not working with Ubuntu 13.10
[15:42] <TheSheep> report a bug to Adobe perhaps
[15:43] <jtaylor3222> Do you think that it's an Adobe bug?
[15:44] <TheSheep> it's their software, and they didn't give us the sources to check, so it's up to them
[15:44] <TheSheep> I simply have no way to check if it's a bug with their software
[15:45] <TheSheep> because they didn't make their software available for debugging
[15:45] <TheSheep> fortunately there are plenty of much better pdf readers in the ubuntu repos, they work and are fully supported by the ubuntu community
[15:46] <jtaylor3222> Document Viewer does not scroll smoothly for me and it doesn't have the top and bottom scrollbar arrows.
[15:47] <ObrienDave> jtaylor3222, how did you install it?
[15:48] <jtaylor3222> Adobe or Document Viewer?
[15:49] <TheSheep> evince is installed by default
[15:49] <jtaylor3222> Yes
[15:49] <jtaylor3222> Evince
[15:49] <TheSheep> if that's what you mean by "document viewer"
[15:49] <jtaylor3222> Correct, it's just missing the scrollbar arrows and does not scroll smoothly.
[15:51] <TheSheep> there is also xpdf, gv, katarakt, okular, mupdf, pdfcube, zathura, qpdfview, and many others
[15:51] <TheSheep> also, firefox can view pdf files
[15:51] <TheSheep> and does it pretty well
[15:51] <ObrienDave> Libre/Open office can read and write PDF
[15:52] <jtaylor3222> I need a read that I can bookmark. I read ebooks from my online school and need to bookmark. I've tried xpdf, I'll try the others.
[15:58] <jtaylor3222> I'm looking at a PDF in Libre Writer, I just need to figure out out to put it in full screen mode and add a comment as a bookmark.
[15:59] <TheSheep> F11
[16:01] <jtaylor3222> brb
[16:10] <jtaylor3222> The Sheep?
[16:13] <jtaylor3222> When I open a PDF Libre, it opens it in Draw. Which works fine. I figured out how to add a comment to use as a bookmark.
[16:13] <jtaylor3222> Now I need to go into full screen mode, F11 take me to a styles menu.
[16:16] <Sysi> try Alt F11
[16:16] <brauleinchen> i watch a movie , mkv with vlc its all pixeled, sme movie with parole plays normal, wtf?
[16:18] <SonikkuAmerica> jtaylor3222: And, if what Sysi said doesn't work, try using the now-antiquated pointing device to point your cursor at the "View" menu, press the left mouse button, and select "Full Screen."
[16:18] <jtaylor3222> Alt F11 only removes the title bar at the top, I need to go into some type of full screen mode and removes the tools in the top and bottom for a little while.
[16:20] <jtaylor3222> Draw 4.1 does not have that option in the view tab
[16:21] <morket> hi! i installed samba (with gui) in xubuntu, but it does not appear in the list and application finder doesn't see it. what am i doing wrong?
[16:22] <holstein> morket: what are you trying to do? samba doesnt get a menu entry
[16:22] <holstein> !samba
[16:22] <SonikkuAmerica> jtaylor3222: ... you told us you were using Writer, not Draw.
[16:22] <morket> i'm trying to share files between my pc with win 7 and laptop with xubuntu
[16:23] <morket> yesterday i tried with ubuntu and had some problems
[16:23] <morket> but in xubuntu i can't even find where it's launched
[16:23] <SonikkuAmerica> morket: What medium are you trying to use? USB stick? SD card? Tuna-fish sandwich?
[16:23] <SonikkuAmerica> :)
[16:24] <holstein> morket: samba is one way to do that, but you dont install samba and click on a samba icon and share.. its a bit more involved
[16:24] <jtaylor3222> I open the PDF in Writer and then it automactically opens the PDF in Draw
[16:25] <morket> yeah , i know. i got it to (nearly) work in ubuntu, my win machine could see ubuntu shares and work with them, but not vice versa
[16:25] <holstein> morket: its not "launched" like that.. you would launch something to browse samba shares
[16:25] <morket> kept asking me for password repeatedly, although i entered a correct one
[16:25] <morket> so... let's put it like this: where do i begin?
[16:28] <morket> anyone?
[16:28] <holstein> morket: i begin by using something in windows to communicate with ssh on linux.. you can read up on samba more though.. samba works well
[16:28] <holstein> morket: whats the goal? a persisten share? or just sharing a file?
[16:29] <holstein> morket: dropbox-like tools are handy
[16:29] <morket> persistent. so i never have to use a flash drive to transfer my files. and also transfer them fast. gigabytes at a time. dropbox-like things are too slow for that
[16:30] <holstein> morket: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1845244 might suggest a few guis
[16:30] <holstein> morket: local, drop-box-like things that you control on your network will be fast as your network
[16:31] <morket> but nothing beats interacting through the local network directly. that's the goal
[16:31] <holstein> morket: let us know what you decide to go with
[16:32] <morket> sudo apt-get install system-config-samba
[16:32] <morket> i did this
[16:32] <morket> it's installed now
[16:33] <holstein> morket: i also like using gigolo from the linux side.. i use it to connect to may different things.. but, the backend setup of samba and permissions will be an issue if you are having issues with them now
[16:34] <morket> i don't suppose you could kindly direct me step by step? :) or maybe some teamviewer or something?
[16:35] <holstein> morket: it really depends on things like the windows config
[16:35] <holstein> morket: i can tell you, step by step, i start at the beginning, taking down *everything* like local firewalls.. i'll enable test accounts.. its not trivial, but totally do-able
[16:36] <morket> well i used some guides for joining workgroup
[16:37] <holstein> morket: sure.. what guides? did you do it correctly? those can create permissions errors
[16:37] <morket> but they failed at some points, and for many people, because of some changes since version "X"
[16:37] <holstein> morket: i dont personally have a windows machine, so i dont bother with samba.. when a windows box shows up, i'll use http://www.swish-sftp.org/ to quickly communicate via ssh, which i prefer
[16:38] <morket> is doing it with ssh more simple than with windows workgroup?
[16:38] <holstein> morket: "Simple" will be relative
[16:38] <holstein> morket: i dont need samba running, and i already have ssh running.. so, its more appropriate for me
[16:39] <EDinNY> Anyone using a laptop? for some reason when the power is plugged it, the monitor dims...what is the name of the power daemon that should be running?
[16:39] <holstein> EDinNY: i usually start looking at the graphics drivers first in those cases.. if there is a proprietary option you havent tried
[16:40] <EDinNY> Don't think so. no proprietary drivers for this Dell
[16:40] <holstein> EDinNY: confirm what you graphics hardware is..
[16:40] <EDinNY> Where do I look?
[16:41] <EDinNY> give me a command line if you have one...
[16:42] <EDinNY> xfce4 power manager does not seem to be running...
[16:43] <EDinNY> I say I want to start it, but so far I just get the spinner...
[16:43] <EDinNY> holstein?
[16:47] <EDinNY> fce4 Power Manager is not running, do you want to launch it now?<- does not seem to "take" when I click "yess"
[16:48] <holstein> EDinNY: first, see what graphics hardware you have
[16:50] <SonikkuAmerica> EDinNY: What. Graphics. Hardware. Do. You. Have? Run [ lspci ] please.
[16:50] <EDinNY> holstein: can you suggest how to do that?
[16:50] <SonikkuAmerica> EDinNY: In a terminal.
[16:51] <EDinNY> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[16:52] <SonikkuAmerica> So this is an Intel 945G integrated GPU.
[16:52] <EDinNY> is the generic driver good enough?
[16:53] <EDinNY> ...or rather the included one in Ubuntu?
[16:53] <holstein> EDinNY: its not a "generic" driver
[16:53] <holstein> EDinNY: its actually one provided to linux by intel... and it typically works pretty well, depending on many things
[16:53] <holstein> EDinNY: what i usually do first is look for and apply upgrades
[16:53] <EDinNY> done
[16:54] <holstein> EDinNY: you can do that in a terminal with "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[16:54] <EDinNY> I knew that. done
[16:54] <EDinNY> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:55] <SonikkuAmerica> EDinNY: Also, did you check in the Settings Manager?
[16:56] <SonikkuAmerica> Power Manager > On AC Power > Monitor tab > Reduce screen brightness when the computer is inactive for: ?
[16:56] <holstein> EDinNY: on one of my machines (intel) the keyboard controls for the brightness are not in the correct place.. the function keys
[16:56] <EDinNY> yep.
[16:57] <EDinNY> not sure which function key
[16:57] <holstein> EDinNY: thats the thing.. im sure the labels, but the labels are wrong.. so, its actually quite impossible to be sure without just trial and error
[16:59] <holstein> i also have 2 (intel) that i had to all kernel lines to for the brightness
[16:59] <EDinNY> had to what?
[16:59] <SonikkuAmerica> *add kernel lines?
[17:00] <EDinNY> ok
[17:00] <holstein> EDinNY: the word "all" above is a typo.. should have been "add"
[17:00] <EDinNY> got it
[17:00] <holstein> EDinNY: i found this by searching "ubuntu" with the *exact* model of the hardware.. if you'd like to share that, im sure someone would be glad to help you search
[17:03] <EDinNY> oops. I was using the wrong terminal...
[17:03] <EDinNY> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[17:03] <EDinNY> still intel, but not sure of the model
[17:05] <holstein> EDinNY: i would need the model of the machine to help.. its usually on the bottom somewhere.. that graphics chip can be on many machine
[17:07] <EDinNY> trying via service tag...
[17:08] <holstein> EDinNY: that will be delll specific.. you will want to use the tag at dell, then you can search for soemthing that the community would talk about
[18:11] <xubuntu581> alguien en español?
[18:11] <Pici> !es | xubuntu581
[18:24] <bananagram> !es > name would be more accurate
[18:43] <ozberk> hi everyone
[18:43] <ozberk> happy new years :D
[18:43] <GridCube> :D happy to you too
[18:45] <ozberk> GirdClube you are the only one who cares that message thank you buddy :D
[18:46] <TheSpirit> Hey, I need help. I installed Xubuntu but my computer still boots Windows.
[18:46] <GridCube> TheSpirit, how did you installed? using an usb?
[18:46] <ozberk> you computer doesn't like xubuntu maybe ok lets get serious are you sure you booting right hdd
[18:47] <GridCube> if you did then grub might have ended installed into it
[18:47] <TheSpirit> I installed via USB.
[18:47] <GridCube> i would suggest you to retry booting the installer media and use boot-repair to choose the proper place for grub
[18:48] <TheSpirit> If I make gparted make a partition have a boot flag, would it work?
[18:48] <GridCube> TheSpirit, also UEFI machines sometimes disregard installers and keep doing whatever they want, again, best solution is boot-repair
[18:48] <TheSpirit> I don't believe I have a UEFI machine.
[18:48] <GridCube> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[18:49] <GridCube> TheSpirit, if booting with the usb works then boot to the desktop, (press whatever key in the boot stage that ask you to choose boot media) and then when you are at your desktop run "sudo update-grub" without the usb present
[18:49] <Azelphur> Hey folks, I set my laptops power saving settings to only lock the screen when the lid is closed, yet whenever I close the lid it goes into standby. Any ideas?
[18:51] <TheSpirit> GridCube, I'm not understanding. I don't know how to boot to my desktop.
[18:51] <TheSpirit> I'm running the OS from my USB right now.
[18:51] <GridCube> TheSpirit, then i would strongly suggest you to use boot-repair
[18:52] <TheSpirit> How do I put it on a USB if my USB is already being used to run this?
[18:52] <ozberk> maybe you can use laptop porwe tools or something lşke that but I can't remember
[18:52] <GridCube> TheSpirit, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[18:53] <GridCube> you need to install it and then run it, full instructions are at the wiki
[18:53] <TheSpirit> Where do I install?
[18:53] <GridCube> TheSpirit, read the wiki
[18:53] <GridCube> please
[18:53] <GridCube> it has words that explain
[18:57] <TheSpirit> I don't see a download link.
[18:57] <TheSpirit> I'm on sourceforge.
[18:57] <TheSpirit> Can't find download.
[19:09] <GridCube> good gods
[19:10] <GridCube> you... you can't read?
[19:10] <GridCube> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair#A2nd_option_:_install_Boot-Repair_in_Ubuntu
[19:11] <GridCube> it says every single step you need to do
[19:11] <GridCube> like every simple step
[19:12] <makachu> great, there is boot repair topic.
[19:14] <makachu> I've lost a USB flashdrive's partition boot record
[19:16] <makachu> that FAT32 partition boot record was overwritten with the file boot.img
[19:16] <makachu> now it become a partition with unknown file system
[19:17] <makachu> and I still long for that 512 bytes
[19:18] <TheSpirit> GridCube, okay, I'm running it. It says it will delete my 6th sector of sda. How do I tell what that is?
[19:21] <bekks> TheSpirit: What does it tell _exactly_?
[19:21] <TheSpirit> Too late, I clicked Yes.
[19:21] <TheSpirit> I hope I didn't mess anything up.
[19:22] <bekks> We dont know.
[19:22] <TheSpirit> I think it's done. Let me restart.
[19:22] <bekks> A little bit impatient...
[19:23] <ObrienDave> JUST a bit :)
[19:24] <GridCube> makachu, try testdisk
[19:26] <makachu> @GridCube what testdisk can do. Can it recover that partition?
[19:27] <GridCube> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step
[19:27] <GridCube> it will try to recover your mbr
[19:27] <bekks> makachu: It will try to.
[19:27] <GridCube> makachu, it can try to do that
[19:27] <makachu> It is actually a USB flashdrive partition. say, apacer AH321 16GB with factory settings. I've never formatted it.
[19:28] <GridCube> you can use testdisk to try and recover partitions by whole, or photorec to recover the files to a different place
[19:28] <GridCube> makachu, i don't think testdisk cares about that
[19:29] <TheSpirit> GRUB works now, but it doesn't show Windows as an option.
[19:29] <GridCube> TheSpirit, run sudo update-grub
[19:29] <TheSpirit> Okay.
[19:29] <makachu> I've overwritten the partition boot record. without any backup. Not a master boot record. the two things are different
[19:29] <bekks> TheSpirit: MAybe it was Windows on your sda6 partition.
[19:29] <TheSpirit> sda5 was my max.
[19:30] <bekks> makachu: Then you will have a data loss.
[19:30] <GridCube> makachu, it will try to recover any partition table you want
[19:30] <TheSpirit> Anyway, GridCube, it said it found Windows.
[19:30] <TheSpirit> Thanks, it probably works now.
[19:30] <bekks> GridCube: The partition table is still intact. The filesystem header is lost.
[19:30] <GridCube> TheSpirit, then you have it already in your grub list
[19:30] <TheSpirit> Let me check.
[19:30] <TheSpirit> Great.
[19:30] <GridCube> reboot if you want and check it
[19:30] <TheSpirit> I might as well start installing some apps for Ubuntu now.
[19:30] <GridCube> bekks, that doesnt matter it will try to recover any old version that is still present
[19:31] <GridCube> i've recovered partitions that where old as 3 years with testdisk
[19:31] <GridCube> XD
[19:31] <bekks> GridCube: It strongly does matter since those are totally different things. And there is no "old version" of a filesystem header.
[19:31] <GridCube> files where all corrupted
[19:31] <GridCube> bekks, correct
[19:31] <bekks> GridCube: Partition headers are different from filesystem headers - you are aware of that fact.
[19:32] <GridCube> then probably he should try to recover the files using photorec and then reformat the drive
[19:32] <TheSpirit> Any way to make XFCE more like Windows 7's taskbar?
[19:32] <GridCube> TheSpirit, probably, have you searched the internet for any tutorial?
[19:32] <TheSpirit> Of course not, I have you guys here to guide me.
[19:33] <bekks> TheSpirit: Dont expect anyone in here to know how Windows 7 looks like :)
[19:33] <TheSpirit> I'm only on Linux for Valgrind.
[19:33] <TheSpirit> I hate Linux.
[19:33] <bekks> Then why do you use it at all?
[19:33] <TheSpirit> Valgrind.
[19:34] <TheSpirit> I need it for debugging.
[19:35] <bekks> Good luck then.
[19:35] <GridCube> TheSpirit, you can add a dock like awn that should emulate how the windows task bar works, probably, i don't use it anyway
[19:38] <TheSpirit> Why can't I input numbers for row size in XFCE?
[19:39] <GridCube> what is row size?
[19:39] <bekks> For row size of what?
[19:39] <TheSpirit> Panel preferences.
[19:40] <TheSpirit> XFCE is GTK?
[19:40] <GridCube> yes
[19:40] <GridCube> gtk2
[19:41] <TheSpirit> Haha I can't wait to start creating Qt apps on this computer.
[19:41] <TheSpirit> ;)
[19:47] <makachu> GridCube many thanks for your suggestions. congrats for your successful partition recovery
[19:48] <GridCube> makachu, P: i dont have any problem at the moment thanks all the gods
[19:52] <makachu> What I am looking now is a new flashdrive of the same model. and copy its partition boot record to the damaged one.
[19:52] <makachu> I think it could work.
[19:54] <GridCube> makachu, as i said, if you just need the files they photorec is your friend
[19:54] <GridCube> then you can just reformat the drive
[19:57] <makachu> formatting is just the worst thing I could do. the file allocation table would be wiped out.
[19:58] <makachu> with zeros
[19:58] <GridCube> thats... thats what im saying. recover the files to somewhere safe and restart
[20:26] <Silver_> hi
[20:27] <Guest24826> !ask
[20:40] <ozberk> 20 minutes left in TR
[20:54] <zbrkxbr> 6 minutes to go
[21:56] <ozberk> four minutes to go
[22:00] <ozberk> happy new years from Turkey :)
[22:00] <ozberk> Beucresth and Athens too :)
[22:05] <Spike29> ozberk: thanks :)
[22:05] <Spike29> still one hour to go in France :p
[22:06] <Spike29> ozberk: how's the future ? :p
[22:06] <ozberk> hopefull :
[22:06] <ozberk> :D
[22:06] <Spike29> Nice :D
[22:07] <ozberk> and yours ?
[22:09] <Spike29> I'm still living in the past :S
[22:10] <Spike29> But 2014 should be a good year (thanks to Xubuntu 14.04 :D )
[22:10] <ozberk> leave the past man :d
[22:11] <i3luefire_> so if i wanted to have a program run 10 minutes after bootup without user intervention how would i do that?
[22:12] <Spike29> i3luefire_: add "sleep 600 && YOUR_PROGRAM_COMMAND" in autostart programs
[22:13] <i3luefire_> thanks
[22:13] <Spike29> sleep 600 will delay your program from 600 seconds = 10 minutes
[22:13] <i3luefire_> that is perfect
[22:13] <Spike29> :)
[22:13] <i3luefire_> i knew there was an easy way.
[22:15] <ozberk> 00:15 in Turkey now
[22:15] <Spike29> 23:15 here :p
[22:15] <ozberk> the first quarter of an hour in new year :D
[22:28] <zbrkxbr> Jingle Bells  Daleks Smell TARDIS laid an egg - Rose is gone River Song  The Doctor Got Away :D
[22:29] <zbrkxbr> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/184511_4713957122251_147461566_n.jpg    for doctor who fans
[22:34] <holstein> zbrkxbr: use the OT channel for that.. thanks!