[09:06] <ThomasB> 2014 is the year of Linux on the desktop :p
[09:28] <paddy> mobile devides are booming too much
[09:29] <paddy> devices even
[11:02] <bekks> ThomasB: Like all the years before? :P
[12:52] <ThomasB> bekks, exactly
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Happy New Year to all
[14:23] <ThomasB> happy new year to you too BluesKaj
[14:26] <BluesKaj> thanks ThomasB, let's hope it is a happy one, wasn't sorry to see 2013 go ...not a good for our circle
[14:26] <ThomasB> why?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> accidents, health problems amongst our friends and family
[14:27] <ThomasB> sorry to hear :(
[14:28] <BluesKaj> well, on the mend at least, and no loss of life , thank God
[14:28] <ThomasB> That's good!
[14:29] <ThomasB> I think 2014 is going to be a great year
[14:30] <BluesKaj> yeah, I have that feeling too , no logic behind it , just intuition
[14:30] <ThomasB> yep, same here :p
[14:35] <BluesKaj> having a problem with this laptop screen blanking out when HDMI is connected to the TV, the video and audio to the TV works fine. Think it's due to the difference in resolution, the laptop screen can't handle 1920x1080
[14:36] <penguin42> BluesKaj: What does xrandr say?
[14:36] <penguin42> BluesKaj: and is it set to mirror displays?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> \
[14:37] <BluesKaj> penguin42, HDMI isn't connected
[14:37] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Well I'd say do an xrandr, connect the hdmi  and then do xrandr again and see what happens
[14:38] <BluesKaj> http://pastebin.kde.org/p7bfc8e33, ok this without HDMI
[14:39] <penguin42> ok, that's all peachy
[14:42] <BluesKaj> odd, now the HDMI doesn't work , but the laptop screen still does
[14:42] <penguin42> good to have a variety of symptoms right ?
[14:43] <penguin42> so what does xrandr say now?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> well,for some reason the TV has the video now , and the laptop just went blank , hang on while I djusthe fonts etc
[14:48] <BluesKaj> http://pastebin.kde.org/p984d9870 with HDMI working
[14:49] <penguin42> ok, so that's HDMI on, but LCD off?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> penguin42, yes
[14:50] <penguin42> right, so what happens if you go to the GUI and enable the internal LCD as well?  I suggest putting it on the right of the HDMI output (or above/below it) but not on the left
[14:50] <BluesKaj> trying to m,ake the fonts readable from 10ft away :)
[14:54] <ThomasB> BluesKaj, try ubuntu tweak for taht
[14:54] <ThomasB> *that
[14:58] <BluesKaj> ThomasB, KDE here , the LCD is restored on the laptop , but now I lost the desktop on theTV , looks like a separate desktop output ...this could be interesting, but because I use a mouse witht laptop I no longer have it on the LCD , but it works on the TVHDMI output
[14:59] <penguin42> BluesKaj: So you should be able to do it from the kde screen stuff, otherwise you can do it with the xrandr from the commandline
[15:02] <BluesKaj> toggling the output wasn't a good idea ,prefer a clone if available
[15:03] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Note there are some problems with 1366x panels when adding a 2nd display, if it's on the left the one on the right doesn't stand much chance of being right
[15:04] <BluesKaj> restored the desktop on the HDMI, by turning off the toggle primary output on the laptop screen
[15:09] <BluesKaj> I can switch between the 2 screens in system settings>display , but there's no clone option , which is surprising
[15:11] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I don't think much of the new GUI stuff
[15:11] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It's pretty poor compared to the Gnome one
[15:11] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I think if you drag them so they overlap it might do the trick
[15:11] <penguin42> BluesKaj: But I doubt it'll allow a clone of different res anyway
[15:13] <BluesKaj> penguin42, well, I'm compromising by buying this laptop instead of new desktop for HTPC use , the desktop is getting old , altho a plain jane desktop these daus would probly work fine as a media server
[15:14] <penguin42> nod
[15:16] <BluesKaj> the duasl resolutions output works , but the HDMI reverts to a new desktop with the panel at the top and none of the default desktop settings ...strange
[15:16] <BluesKaj> err dual
[15:19] <BluesKaj> when I think about it that may be a good thing , if I can different desktop settings on each output
[15:19] <BluesKaj> have
[19:16] <paddy> basically, new packages can flow in until the freeze happens and that is when the alpha turns into a beta release, right?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> paddy, depends which ubuntu flavour , Alpha 2 – January 23rd for ubuntu flavours, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[19:23] <paddy> ah, hmmm
[19:25] <ikonia> I'd be surprised if they hit that looking at how things are
[19:27] <BluesKaj> ikonia, really ? 14.04 here on Kubuntu seems ok so far. Despite the nvidia driver probs some have after upgrades my setup is running well.
[19:28] <BluesKaj> nomodeset had be removed for the 331 driver to be recognized tho
[19:29] <BluesKaj> nvidia-331 that is
[21:07] <bekks> how do i get rid of those *.efi.signed kernel images on my totally non-efi capable laptop?
[21:08] <holstein> i suppose you can always install whatever kernel you want.. i wouldnt expect any performance hit in having a signed kernel
[21:10] <bekks> Thats not the point ;) How do I get rid of those unwanted kernel images which ship with the stock tahr linux-image package?
[21:10] <bekks> I dont have EFI, I cannot even use them.
[21:11] <holstein> i would just remove them, and use ones i prefer
[21:11] <bekks> So how do I "remove" them using the package management system while leaving the non-EFI images untouched?
[21:12] <holstein> i would install whatever kernel i prefer.. if its in the repos, i would use a package manager.. after booting into that kernel, i would remove the one i dont want
[21:12] <bekks> The only kernel package installed is linux-image. Now what?
[21:13] <holstein> bekks: decide what kernel you want, and how to obtain it, and put it on your system
[21:14] <bekks> Again: the only kernel package installed is "linux-image". Ho do I get rid of vmlinuz.efi.signed without touching vmlinuz - and without using rm?
[21:14] <holstein> bekks: i would boot from the kernel i want to run, and remove the packages i dont want
[21:15] <bekks> How do you remove "the packages" if only ONE PACKAGE is installed?
[21:15] <bekks> And that ONE package is shiiping both, vmlinuz and vmlinuz.efi.signed?
[21:19] <TJ-> bekks: Does it come from "linux-signed-image-3.12.0-7-generic"
[21:21] <bekks> TJ-: Indeed.I am just wondering why that package gets installed on a non-EFI system then.
[21:23] <holstein> bekks: AFAIK, the kernels are signed.. they will just be signed, and i dont think there is a reason to maintain a non-signed version. you might have to ask the kernel team
[21:24] <bekks> holstein: Then the question would be why there is a unsigned vmlinuz and a unsigned linux-image package, along with a signed one.
[21:25] <holstein> bekks: early days? fail-over? you'd have to ask the kernel folks.. i think that would be the most definitive answer, since "its not going to hurt performance" doesnt seem to be what you are looking for
[21:27] <bekks> signed kernel do not have any advantages on non-EFI systems.
[21:27] <TJ-> bekks: Do you have mythbuntu-live installed?
[21:27] <holstein> bekks: i didnt mean to imply it had any advantage
[21:27] <bekks> TJ-: No, I have a Ubuntu 14.04 installation where I additionally installed kubuntu-, lubuntu- and xubuntu-desktop
[21:29] <TJ-> bekks: Use "apt-cache rdepends ..." to review the path leading up the dependency chain ... start with "apt-cache rdepends linux-signed-image-3.8.0-19-generic"
[21:30] <bekks> TJ-: Ok, will do.
[21:33] <bekks> TJ-: I can see that dependency path, but non of those packages are installed.
[21:41] <TJ-> bekks: Was it a fresh install? If so, maybe the installer has it seeded?
[21:42] <bekks> TJ-: Yeah, the installation is just a few days old.