[00:19] <Juv1228> hi, I am using xubuntu 13.10 on a new machine here and when I try to take a screenshot, with either xfce4-screenshooter or shutter, it 'lags'
[00:20] <Juv1228> the entire xfce environment slows to a crawl, and if I wait a few minutes  the screenshot completes fine.
[00:21] <Juv1228> if I switch VT's (ctrl-alt-f1 then back to f7) it stops in the middle of the screenshot and I end up with something like this
[00:22] <Juv1228> http://i.imgur.com/KjqXKSm.png
[00:22] <Juv1228> where ever it was in the process of screenshotting, it just tiles that bit to fill the rest
[00:22] <Juv1228> so the longer I wait, the more complete the image is
[00:22] <Juv1228> has anyone ever seen this before? its rather bizarre to me
[00:23] <GridCube> Juv1228, try using scrot
[00:23] <GridCube> i've seen this issue with my second monitor when its not on
[00:24] <Juv1228> no shit, scrot works perfectly
[00:24] <Juv1228> has a bug report been filed about this?
[00:25] <Juv1228> at least i can screenshot now, but the nice thing about shutter/xfce4-screenshooter is you can just pick a window/region
[00:27] <Juv1228> I guess scrot can do this too actually
[00:33] <GridCube> you can save the image and then crop it with gthumb
[00:36] <Juv1228> GridCube, i probably should have read the scrot manpage, since it has -s flag which does interactive region selection
[00:46] <GridCube> oh
[00:46] <GridCube> good :D
[00:56] <xubuntu789> hello
[00:56] <xubuntu789> does xubuntu has privacy setting，I am worry about this
[00:57] <bekks> xubuntu789: Which "privacy setting" do you mean in detail?
[00:57] <Sh1G3rU> what kind? internet traces , logs
[00:57] <xubuntu789> yes
[00:58] <bekks> xubuntu789: "yes" is not a valid answer to "what..." :)
[00:58] <Sh1G3rU> xubuntu789, internet traces are mostly those left behind by your broser
[00:58] <Sh1G3rU> browser*
[00:59] <Sh1G3rU> i would set firefox to permamently stay in private mode for starter
[00:59] <Sh1G3rU> then the system logs, accesses etc
[01:00] <xubuntu789> ubuntu has a privacy setting in system setting
[01:00] <xubuntu789> but
[01:00] <xubuntu789>  I
[01:00] <xubuntu789>  dont find in xubuntu
[01:01] <Sh1G3rU> xubuntu789, ubuntu and unity have another aproach to things for starting you recieve ads directly to your desktop while in xfce you dont
[01:02] <Sh1G3rU> hi ObrienDave
[01:02] <xubuntu789> I just want to be monitored when I use my computer
[01:02] <xubuntu789> dont want
[01:02] <Sh1G3rU> then you are in the right place with xubuntu
[01:02] <Sh1G3rU> activate ufw
[01:03] <bekks> xubuntu789: Monitored by whom?
[01:03] <bekks> xubuntu789: your ISP will always know what you are doing.
[01:03] <Sh1G3rU> unless you use a VPN
[01:03] <xubuntu789> canonical company
[01:04] <bekks> xubuntu789: Even in Ubuntu Canonical has no clue what you are doing.
[01:05] <Sh1G3rU> ObrienDave,  are you still having internet issues?
[01:07] <xubuntu789> Thanks,I have no questions
[01:11] <ObrienDave> Sh1G3rU, howdy, happy new year
[01:11] <Sh1G3rU> happy new year ObrienDave
[01:12] <Sh1G3rU> iv been into 2014 for 2 hours now :p
[01:17] <ObrienDave> yes, big time
[01:37] <Sh1G3rU> ObrienDave, finally you net seem stable
[02:09] <ObrienDave> am i still here?
[02:43] <glenrock> i installed the Faenza icon theme from source and the user-available.png icon for Pidgin isn't working.  any idea how to go about resolving that?   i see the icon in the status/16 folder, but the normal pidgin logo only appears in the notification area
[03:23] <xubuntu786> HAPPY NEW YEARS
[03:23] <xubuntu786> i'm gaii
[03:27] <SonikkuAmerica> Uh... OK, Happy 2014...
[03:51] <uBUXUBu> happy new years xubuntites
[03:51] <uBUXUBu> thank u
[03:52] <SonikkuAmerica> ...
[03:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Did you just answer... yourself?
[03:53] <cfhowlett> LOL
[13:47] <vespertilio> hi there
[15:27] <Yammer> I love xubuntu!
[15:27] <koell> i love lubuntu!
[15:27] <Yammer> Well, some of us have to be diffrent I guess :P
[15:28] <koell> The L is for lightweight :P
[15:28] <Yammer> lol, xfce isn't so heavy,.but yeah lxde is lighter
[15:29] <beginner> after i entering my encryption password, xubuntu fail to boot. I get initramfs console. Same with recovery mode. Where i need to begin in order to fix
[15:29] <koell> Yammer: i need to test xfce before. but there are some xfce elements in lubuntu too such as the power manager
[15:30] <Yammer> koell: That's the nice thing about linux, you aren't locked into on DE, and your fav apps for one will run in other DE's
[15:31] <Yammer> Mostly
[15:31] <koell> yeah mostly :D
[15:32] <koell> Yammer: first time here? i love those small channels with just a hundred people in
[15:32] <Yammer> Unity... stinks
[15:32] <Yammer> koell: Not really, I've been here before. I am just not a huge IRC fan.
[15:33] <beginner> anyone ?
[15:33] <Yammer> Sorry beginner, I am just an end user
[15:34] <Yammer> You might want to try the main Ubuntu chat, the only diff is that xubuntu has a diffrent DE
[15:34] <koell> beginner: me too, just use the clicki-bunti as it is :D
[15:34] <Sysi> koell: a channel with several hunder people being small? try #xubuntu-offtopic
[15:36] <koell> Sysi: still better than #debian or #ubuntu with 1k join/left msgs ;)
[15:37] <Sysi> sure
[15:40] <Yammer> Well my new install is almost done, see you on the flip side.
[15:44] <koell> Is there a GTK/QT-ish look n feal of Chromium/Chrome available? The default one looks so cross-platform terrible ugly, I dont want to use.
[17:17] <holstein> koell: i look in the settings for the browser, and i find options for using the system theme, or one custom in the browser
[17:42] <xubuntu165> Hey can someone tell me if  Xbuntu run Chrome or just Chromium?
[17:42] <Sh1G3rU> they can both
[17:43] <xubuntu165> Cool, I was thinking about getting the Odroid
[17:44] <xubuntu165> it's basically the specs of a galaxy s 3
[17:46] <Sh1G3rU> omg be careful with that it can cause seisures :P
[17:47] <xubuntu165> oh news to me
[17:49] <Sysi> chrome probably won't run on arm hardware
[17:49] <Sysi> unless google compiles it on that too, I haven't checked
[17:51] <xubuntu165> oh ok thanks, i'll try to ask the odroid people
[17:51] <Sysi> download page seems to only offer i686/amd64
[17:52] <Sysi> even if you're big fan of the pdf reader in chrome, flash is gonna be bigger problem, on all browsers
[17:52] <holstein> you would ask "the chrome people" to make a version for the device/arch.. you cant ask the device to become compatible
[17:53] <xubuntu165> oh ok
[17:53] <Sh1G3rU> is there any petition we can sign in to stop flash from raging. i believe we can reach 7 billions signs in few minutes
[17:55] <Sysi> try to get people to contribute to shumway rather
[17:55] <Sh1G3rU> whats shumway?
[17:56] <Sysi> http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/
[17:57] <rayduf> why montreal  second city of  canada is not in time zone
[17:58] <holstein> rayduf: you pick the timezone.. there should be other places that reflect that timezone
[17:58] <rayduf> no  sorry  check  all over
[17:59] <holstein> rayduf: you pick a city in the same tz.. there is no localization going on there
[18:00] <rayduf> on 1st install it  gave me  toronto   which  is  1 h diff
[18:00] <rayduf> im in  montreal  area
[18:00] <holstein> rayduf: manually select what works for you.. you can set this later, as well
[18:01] <rayduf> yes  but  no  montreal  even  after
[18:01] <Sh1G3rU> motreal is there
[18:01] <Sh1G3rU> it gave you by default toronto because probably your ip belongs to some toronto isp
[18:02] <holstein> should be.. i use new york city, though im 600 miles from there
[18:02] <Sh1G3rU> and thats how it defines where you are
[18:02] <rayduf> motreal   or  montreal
[18:02] <rayduf> i know  ny  is  on same  time zone
[18:02] <holstein> rayduf: choose one based on the tz.. the city is not important there
[18:03] <rayduf> fine  but  ubuntu  giver it  to me  auto
[18:03] <holstein> rayduf: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[18:04] <rayduf> somebody   just  forget it   admit  it
[18:04] <holstein> rayduf: could be a different IP now
[18:05] <rayduf> where is  time zone in xubuntu
[18:05] <holstein> rayduf: during the install?
[18:05] <rayduf> after  install
[18:07] <holstein> these ways are more generic, and should work on most linux distros http://www.wikihow.com/Change-the-Timezone-in-Linux ..this looks like what i would expect in xubuntu http://askubuntu.com/questions/232592/xubuntu-12-04-wrong-time-change-system-language
[18:08] <rayduf> thx holstein
[19:05] <user23213> can somebody help ? xubuntu fail to boot. I get initramfs console. Dont know what happening, what i need to do first ?
[19:05] <user23213> to fix this ?
[19:05] <holstein> user23213: i would test the hardware
[19:06] <user23213> hardware is ok, im using pc now. on live usb...
[19:06] <holstein> user23213: if you are on the live USB, then, you can test the hard drive properly from there
[19:07] <user23213> how to do that ?
[19:07] <user23213> you mean with fsck ?
[19:07] <holstein> user23213: i use "gsmartcontrol" to run at least a short test
[19:08] <holstein> user23213: fsck is a different tool
[19:08] <user23213> yeah, i know. i was thinking maybe i need to check filesystem
[19:09] <user23213> you talking about checking hdd for bad sectors or what ?
[19:09] <holstein> user23213: i would test the physical hard drive.. then, run a filesystem check/test.. then, consider replacing the parts if needed, or reinstall if necessary
[19:09] <holstein> user23213: im talking about checking the hardware.. for whatever may be bad
[19:10] <user23213> ok
[19:10] <user23213> i will look at that
[22:22] <Vito_> hello
[22:22] <Guest67302> is there anyone who could help me resolving my screen resolution problems in Xubuntu?
[22:23] <knome> Guest67302, ask away and we'll see if somebody is able to answer
[22:23] <koell1> i'll try my best
[22:23] <Guest67302> the problem is that i have a laptop
[22:23] <Guest67302> and xubuntu sees my laptop monitor as a default
[22:24] <knome> if *that's* the problem, i'll take the laptop and you're good ;)
[22:24] <Guest67302> so i am able to set 1024x768 resolution instead of 1440x900
[22:25] <Guest67302> well, is there any way that you could guide me through changing this?
[22:25] <Guest67302> sorry for my english
[22:25] <knome> are you trying to use an external monitor?
[22:25] <knome> or just can't set the laptop monitor to the full resolution?
[22:26] <Guest67302> i cant set 1440x900 instead of 1024x768
[22:26] <Guest67302> but when i connected external monitor it didnt work anyway
[22:26] <Guest67302> i mean thats not the biggest issue right now
[22:26] <Guest67302> if there is some way i could set this higher resolution
[22:26] <Guest67302> that would save me
[22:27] <Guest67302> i tried couple different distros
[22:27] <Guest67302> neither of them work
[22:27] <Guest67302> would like to stay with xubuntu
[22:27] <koell1> usually this should work out of the box
[22:28] <Guest67302> in windows that problem do not exist cause there are drivers only for windows
[22:28] <Guest67302> maybe that's the case
[22:28] <koell1> Guest67302: whants the name of your laptop? you may find others with the same problem in forums
[22:28] <Guest67302> i tried
[22:28] <Guest67302> it's been like half a year i have this problem
[22:28] <koell1> omg this sucks
[22:29] <Guest67302> is there any way i could force linux to use some resolution or sth?
[22:29] <holstein> Guest67302: what hardware do you have?
[22:31] <Guest67302> i have found a solution for my graphic card written especially for xubuntu on this site
[22:31] <Guest67302> https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/sis
[22:31] <Guest67302> but when i followed the guide
[22:31] <Guest67302> and restarted pc
[22:31] <Guest67302> xorg crashed
[22:31] <holstein> Guest67302: what hardware to you have?
[22:31] <holstein> Guest67302: an sis card?
[22:31] <Guest67302> tell me command so i can paste it to you
[22:31] <Guest67302> yes
[22:32] <holstein> Guest67302: i have one sis chip... i just dont use it anymore
[22:32] <holstein> Guest67302: these days, hardware is so resonable, i usually just try and purchase with linux support in mind
[22:32] <holstein> Guest67302: that doesnt mean you can put a custom xorg.conf in place that may do what you are trying to do
[22:33] <holstein> Guest67302: TBH, im surprised the external display port works at all.. on my via chip, it doesnt work at all
[22:33] <holstein> Guest67302: the guide you reference is for 12.04.. are you using 12.04?
[22:33] <Guest67302> yes
[22:34] <Guest67302> i downloaded xubuntu especially for this
[22:34] <Guest67302> didnt work
[22:34] <Guest67302> and that was like couple months ago
[22:34] <holstein> Guest67302: the guide states it will not workk anymore
[22:34] <koell1> you may try lubuntu :D
[22:34] <holstein> "Unfortunately you can't use this solution in main Ubuntu 12.04, because starting with 12.04.2 (second point release), main Ubuntu 12.04 no longer has the original kernel tree and X.org, which are required for this solution. "
[22:34] <holstein> koell1: lubuntu and xubuntu *are* ubuntu
[22:34] <holstein> koell1: no different driver support there
[22:34] <holstein> you are welcome to try lubuntu live, but the support will be the same
[22:35] <Guest67302> Xubuntu 12.04 and Lubuntu 12.04 still have the original kernel tree and X.org, and will never change that.
[22:35] <Guest67302> it stays that it will work on xubuntu and lubuntu
[22:35] <koell1> holstein: weird, because i switched 3 months ago from ubuntu to lubuntu because my thouchpad didn't work there anymore
[22:35] <Guest67302> but not ubuntu
[22:36] <Guest67302> well its not true anyway
[22:36] <holstein> koell1: its more likely ubuntu 12.04 didnt support it, and lubuntu 13.10 did..
[22:36] <Guest67302> cause when i tried this display just crashed
[22:36] <holstein> Guest67302: they will have the same xorg versions in the repo
[22:36] <Guest67302> and i could only use text mode
[22:36] <holstein> Guest67302: the point release is what is referenced there, and relevant
[22:36] <holstein> Guest67302: from 12.04.2 on..
[22:37] <holstein> Guest67302: *all* 12.04 versions will still have the older version
[22:37] <Guest67302> i tried newer version too
[22:37] <Guest67302> but problem was the same
[22:37] <Guest67302> so i decided to stay with the lts
[22:38] <Guest67302> anyway u guys have any idea what should i try to do?
[22:38] <holstein> Guest67302: the *older* version is what you need
[22:38] <Guest67302> older then 12.04?
[22:38] <holstein> Guest67302: i know nothing about that guide, but its asking for you to use 12.04
[22:38] <Guest67302> what for?
[22:38] <holstein> Guest67302: *not* 12.04.*
[22:38] <holstein> Guest67302: for the guide.. 12.04 is not the same as 12.04.2..
[22:38] <Guest67302> yeah and im using version which this guide is asking me for
[22:39] <Guest67302> what?
[22:39] <holstein> Guest67302: if you have a currrently installed and up to date 12.04, then that is *not* the version
[22:39] <Guest67302> lol
[22:39] <holstein> Guest67302: every 6 months 12.04 gets rev'd
[22:40] <holstein> Guest67302: the original 12.04 is what is referenced in the guide.. not 12.04.newer
[22:40] <holstein> and, im not saying that guide works
[22:40] <Guest67302> is there any way i can get this version?
[22:40] <Guest67302> shouldnt i downloaded uptades or sth?
[22:40] <holstein> Guest67302: yes. you download it, and dont update
[22:40] <Guest67302> that seems weird
[22:41] <holstein> Guest67302: yes.. i suggest applying updates, and not following this guide
[22:41] <Guest67302> well but that doesnt solve my problem
[22:41] <holstein> Guest67302: but, if you want to use it, you'll need to follow it, by using the older version of 12.04, and not upgrading it
[22:41] <Guest67302> i will have lower resolution forever
[22:41] <Guest67302> its not like i want to use it
[22:41] <Guest67302> i just want to solve my problem
[22:41] <Guest67302> but i dont know how to set higher resolution
[22:41] <holstein> Guest67302: and im not sure that this solves it, ether
[22:41] <holstein> either*
[22:42] <Guest67302> i know that native resolution of this monitor is 1440x900
[22:42] <Guest67302> cause thats the res i had in windows
[22:42] <holstein> Guest67302: thats not in debate..
[22:42] <Guest67302> and thats hat i want
[22:42] <holstein> Guest67302: the vendor supports windows
[22:42] <Guest67302> u mean i cant do that?
[22:43] <holstein> Guest67302: nothing about linux or xubuntu is preventing that.. but the vendor is not making that easy, and yes, it may not be possible
[22:44] <Guest67302> well u have any idea what should i do to try to change that?
[22:44] <Guest67302> any command which i can follow
[22:44] <Guest67302> i am not rly good with linux
[22:45] <Guest67302> but i think that a year writing in forums of all distros is when i can say ive had enough
[22:45] <Guest67302> just wanted to drive by and ask there
[22:45] <Guest67302> so there is no way?
[22:45] <Guest67302> or nothing you can think of right now?
[22:48] <holstein> Guest67302: there can be no way, correct.. ideally, the vendor would provide a drive
[22:48] <holstein> driver
[22:48] <Guest67302> well there is a driver
[22:48] <holstein> Guest67302: you can also sometimes use a custom xorg.conf.. but, its not trivial
[22:49] <Guest67302> i just dont know how to install it
[22:49] <holstein> Guest67302: sure.. but, i think its for a different operating sytem, correct?
[22:49] <Guest67302> nah i found a driver especially for linux
[22:49] <Guest67302> from sis
[22:49] <holstein> Guest67302: if not, link the driver, and maybe someone can help.. ideally, the creator of the driver will help
[22:49] <holstein> Guest67302: link the driver, friend
[22:51] <Guest67302> oh i just realised its intended for redhat
[22:52] <Guest67302> http://w3.sis.com/download/
[22:52] <Guest67302> linux, igp drivers, sis 750 series
[22:53] <holstein> Guest67302: i see nothing for 750
[22:53] <holstein> Guest67302: only 740
[22:53] <holstein> Guest67302: 730 ad 740
[22:54] <Guest67302> how can i check mine with a command in xubuntu?
[22:54] <holstein> Guest67302: i use lspci in a terminal
[22:54] <Guest67302> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 771/671 PCIE VGA Display Adapter (rev 10)
[22:55] <Guest67302> which is exacly the one in this guide
[22:55] <Guest67302> https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/sis
[22:55] <holstein> Guest67302: i see nothing available at the site for those #'s
[22:55] <Guest67302> that ones wont be compatible?
[22:56] <holstein> Guest67302: you'd have to ask the folks who make it, but if it doesnt say "supports your device", then theres nothing that makes me think it would
[22:56] <holstein> i know, since i have prior experience with sis, i would just be glad its working..
[23:06] <Guido1> hello, I'm using seamnkey and firefox on xubuntu. some websits ask if it is allowed to get information about the location. if i say "yes" it doesn't work. if i use the same browsers on windows xp it works. so i assume that it has to do with xubuntu.
[23:06] <holstein> what doesnt work, Guido1 ?
[23:08] <Guido1> holstein: If you for example visit the webside https://www.couchsurfing.org/ and you log in the webside wants to know the location of you (determined by the ip)
[23:08] <Guido1> in the browser I say that the webside may get this information, but the webside doesn't get the information
[23:08] <Guido1> if i use the same browser on windows XP it works