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| Rovanion | Are there Nvidia drivers for 14.04 at this point? | 01:55 |
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| whatisthematrix | Rovanion: i would think so. i think there's nvidia-319 drivers | 01:56 |
| holstein | Rovanion: you should be able to use whatever nvidia provides | 01:56 |
| whatisthematrix | there's nvidia-331 drivers | 01:57 |
| whatisthematrix | !info nvidia-331 | 01:57 |
| ubottu | nvidia-331 (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers-331): NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library. In component restricted, is optional. Version 331.20-0ubuntu7 (trusty), package size 26949 kB, installed size 127722 kB (Only available for i386; amd64) | 01:57 |
| Rovanion | Thank you for your answer! | 01:57 |
| whatisthematrix | and there 304's, and 173's | 01:57 |
| whatisthematrix | Rovanion: sure, you're welcome | 01:58 |
| Rovanion | Would you deem it to be stable enough for daily use at this point? I've helped out with pre-release debugging before but this is earlier than the last LTS I jumped on. | 01:59 |
| holstein | Rovanion: no | 01:59 |
| holstein | Rovanion: its testing | 01:59 |
| whatisthematrix | on the Ubuntu desktop i would say no. but i've used Kde and Xfce and seem to have pretty good stability. also... | 01:59 |
| Rovanion | Well I'm on awesome so I would just be testing standalone apps. | 02:00 |
| Rovanion | And then awesome of course. | 02:00 |
| holstein | even if it were stable as a rock today, its not guaranteed to be that way til its released, and may not be that way later | 02:00 |
| whatisthematrix | i just got done working a long time on compiling/configuring, and hacking my system to get Enlightenment 0.18.1(e18) compiled and installed | 02:01 |
| whatisthematrix | and it crashed(sigsegv) at first when trying to access menu items when i first fired it up. but after that i rebooted and it sure is nice! been using it for a few hours and it's seems stable, so far | 02:02 |
| holstein | and it may be.. but its not what you use if you want stable.. | 02:03 |
| whatisthematrix | but it isn't available in trusty... but there's Motif, Cinnamon(i haven't tried it), WindowMaker, IceWM, etc, etc | 02:03 |
| Rovanion | Perhaps waiting for the debian import freeze is a good idea as most major system changes should have stopped by then. | 02:08 |
| whatisthematrix | Rovanion: what do you mostly use your sytem for? | 02:09 |
| whatisthematrix | system* | 02:09 |
| Rovanion | whatisthematrix: Normal desktop use, surf the web, programming. | 02:09 |
| Rovanion | On my desktop and laptop that is :P | 02:10 |
| Rovanion | My server on the other hand won't see an upgrade until summer I'd venture. | 02:11 |
| whatisthematrix | Rovanion: same here. so, i'd recommend it then. i'm loving it anyway. i just recommend not using the ubuntu desktop in it. at least from what i have tried and can tell. | 02:11 |
| whatisthematrix | you could install it, and then install other window managers to use | 02:13 |
| whatisthematrix | up to you though. only you can decide ;-) | 02:13 |
| Rovanion | Normally install from minimal either way | 02:13 |
| Rovanion | When I feel fancy I even install a display manager :P | 02:13 |
| whatisthematrix | i don't mind minimal, but i like eye-candy as well :) | 02:14 |
| Rovanion | whatisthematrix: Minimal as in: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD | 02:15 |
| Rovanion | Everything is fetched from the net during install. | 02:15 |
| whatisthematrix | roger that | 02:15 |
| whatisthematrix | cool | 02:16 |
| Rovanion | Since I don't install any meta-package like ubuntu-desktop I'll end up with only the packages I like. | 02:16 |
| Rovanion | Not that it matters but my current install is 2.4Gig of which LaTeX is 1.2 or something like that. | 02:17 |
| Rovanion | !info texlive-full | 02:18 |
| ubottu | texlive-full (source: texlive-base): TeX Live: metapackage pulling in all components of TeX Live. In component universe, is optional. Version 2013.20131219-1 (trusty), package size 14 kB, installed size 91 kB | 02:18 |
| Rovanion | Well that says nothing. | 02:18 |
| whatisthematrix | Rovanion: if you decide to download and install it, and install X-Windows and graphical stuff i should tell you of a niggle i ran into when i installed it about two and a half months ago | 02:20 |
| whatisthematrix | i don't know if you run into the same issue now or not | 02:20 |
| whatisthematrix | but i had to run this command to fix the problem of widget icons not being displayed, they were like a box with a red 'x' in them or something | 02:21 |
| whatisthematrix | sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common | 02:21 |
| Rovanion | I'll think of that if the problem comes up, thanks | 02:22 |
| whatisthematrix | sure, yw | 02:22 |
| whatisthematrix | what were you wanting to know about texlive? the version? | 02:25 |
| Rovanion | Installed size, of coures it only showed the installed size of the meta data which means little. | 02:25 |
| whatisthematrix | yep | 02:26 |
| whatisthematrix | you'd need a more specific package | 02:26 |
| whatisthematrix | !info texlive-latex-base | 02:27 |
| ubottu | texlive-latex-base (source: texlive-base): TeX Live: LaTeX fundamental packages. In component main, is optional. Version 2013.20131219-1 (trusty), package size 809 kB, installed size 7765 kB | 02:27 |
| whatisthematrix | !info texlive-base | 02:27 |
| ubottu | texlive-base (source: texlive-base): TeX Live: Essential programs and files. In component main, is optional. Version 2013.20131219-1 (trusty), package size 15788 kB, installed size 43096 kB | 02:27 |
| Rovanion | When I Install texlive-full apt-get cites something like 1.2G installed size, you could try it on yours. | 02:28 |
| Rovanion | If you don't already have it installed like I do. | 02:28 |
| whatisthematrix | i have a number of the packages under 'texlive-full' already installed | 02:29 |
| Rovanion | Oh well. | 02:29 |
| Rovanion | Right, on my server texlive-full would pull down an extra 2G of installed packages | 02:31 |
| whatisthematrix | roger | 02:32 |
| whatisthematrix | i'm looking at it in 'aptitude', and i have a good number of them already installed. a few of them just got installed last night when i was installing some things, and one of the 'doc' packages for it was | 02:33 |
| whatisthematrix | a 314 MB download | 02:33 |
| whatisthematrix | might have been this one... texlive-latex-extra-doc | 02:36 |
| whatisthematrix | !info texlive-latex-extra-doc | 02:37 |
| ubottu | texlive-latex-extra-doc (source: texlive-extra): TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-latex-extra. In component main, is optional. Version 2013.20131219-1 (trusty), package size 306350 kB, installed size 428548 kB | 02:37 |
| gno1404 | hi, I'm trying 14.04 with gnome - is there a way to add keyboard layout shortcuts? it's not working for me | 02:59 |
| gno1404 | it was hard enough to 'choose' what keys but when I try them, nothing happens | 03:00 |
| gno1404 | I added another language so I just want to toggle to the other and back | 03:00 |
| whatisthematrix | hopefully someone can help you with that. i don't know anything about modifying keyboard shortcuts. i've never done it anyway. | 03:01 |
| gno1404 | maybe it doesn't work with live media or? | 03:03 |
| whatisthematrix | there's the following utility/app, but i don't know anything about it | 03:03 |
| whatisthematrix | !info gkbd-capplet | 03:04 |
| ubottu | gkbd-capplet (source: libgnomekbd): GNOME Panel applet for libgnomekbd. In component main, is optional. Version 3.6.0-0ubuntu2 (trusty), package size 4 kB, installed size 50 kB | 03:04 |
| gno1404 | whatisthematrix: thanks, good to know | 03:04 |
| whatisthematrix | gno1404: yeah, maybe not. for instance, i don't know if you can get that app installed while running the livecd | 03:04 |
| gno1404 | whatisthematrix: I can't use Kubuntu 13.10 with my smartphone so I'm trying Ubuntu 14.04 | 03:06 |
| gno1404 | it connects okay and I can load pics from it in image viewer so that's good | 03:06 |
| gno1404 | just checking other things out now | 03:06 |
| gno1404 | I install extra languages so I was curious how the shortcuts worked | 03:06 |
| whatisthematrix | roger. i've found the ubuntu desktop to be unstable in 14.04, so i use other window managers. i've used 'kde 4.12.0' some in 14.04 | 03:07 |
| gno1404 | yeah? | 03:07 |
| gno1404 | interesting | 03:07 |
| whatisthematrix | want to hear something more interesting? ;-) | 03:08 |
| gno1404 | I'm trying to figure out if is could be related to a kernel ver. issue but only speculating | 03:08 |
| gno1404 | yeah, sure ;-) | 03:08 |
| whatisthematrix | okay | 03:08 |
| whatisthematrix | i worked on this starting last night, and then for many hours today | 03:09 |
| gno1404 | oh no ;-) | 03:09 |
| gno1404 | know how that is... sigh | 03:09 |
| whatisthematrix | i worked hard on compiling/configuring and hacking my system for a long time to get Enlightenment 0.18.1 compiled and installed on trusty 14.04 | 03:09 |
| gno1404 | oh nice | 03:09 |
| whatisthematrix | man, it was quite a bear, but i finally got it! | 03:09 |
| gno1404 | you are starting to like the ligher window managers? ;) | 03:10 |
| whatisthematrix | using it now of course. seems fairly stable, other than when i first fired it up. had a crash/sigsev. but since i rebooted it's seems very good/nice | 03:11 |
| gno1404 | not familiar with that one | 03:12 |
| whatisthematrix | i like a lot of the window managers/desktop environments | 03:12 |
| whatisthematrix | not all of them. i once tried olvwm and i was like, yuk | 03:12 |
| whatisthematrix | but i don't mind something like Motif(mwm) or WindowMaker, but probably prefer IceWM over those two | 03:12 |
| gno1404 | I tried fluxbox a long time ago when I messed around with mythtv ;-D | 03:12 |
| whatisthematrix | i've never tried fluxbox or openbox | 03:13 |
| whatisthematrix | i just installed Cinnamon with aptitude today for the heck of it, but haven't tried it yet | 03:14 |
| whatisthematrix | i've seen a number of people talking about it though | 03:15 |
| gno1404 | how do you like it? | 03:16 |
| whatisthematrix | how do i like 14.04? | 03:16 |
| gno1404 | I also have mint installed with cinammon but since the upgrade, I cannot open my photos with any image viewer | 03:16 |
| gno1404 | I have to use gimp | 03:17 |
| gno1404 | I meant, how do you like the cinnamon DE? | 03:17 |
| whatisthematrix | if you mean Cinnamon, as i said, i installed it but i haven't ever tried it or used it yet. i've seen other people talking about it though. so i thought i'd install it | 03:17 |
| gno1404 | kubuntu was my main OS but I cannot get my android phone detected at all - so I am trying out 14.04 with Gnome ;) | 03:18 |
| gno1404 | oh, I see | 03:18 |
| whatisthematrix | but for now, i'm going to use e18 for while since it took so much work! | 03:18 |
| gno1404 | understandable! | 03:18 |
| whatisthematrix | going to enjoy it for a good while ;-) | 03:18 |
| whatisthematrix | ya, cheers :) | 03:18 |
| gno1404 | looks interesting but I don't like spending lots of time on configuring stuff :D | 03:18 |
| whatisthematrix | i like compiling and configuring stuff, somewhat | 03:19 |
| gno1404 | it's okay sometimes if in the mood ;) | 03:19 |
| whatisthematrix | rgr | 03:19 |
| whatisthematrix | i think it's one of the great things about gnu/linux, it comes with a compiler, for free | 03:20 |
| gno1404 | that's true | 03:20 |
| whatisthematrix | and nothing is hidden | 03:20 |
| whatisthematrix | you can look at anything | 03:20 |
| gno1404 | plus, you should be good at setting up Enlightenment :) | 03:21 |
| whatisthematrix | well, i'm more knowledgeable/experienced now i can say. but still no expert i don't think. it certainly took me a bit of trial and error | 03:23 |
| Munchor | Hi there | 04:29 |
| Munchor | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6676584/ | 04:29 |
| Munchor | Getting that on a 14.04 daily build, any ideas? | 04:29 |
| whatisthematrix | hello | 04:32 |
| whatisthematrix | i might be able to help with that | 04:32 |
| Munchor | great | 04:33 |
| whatisthematrix | let me look at it for a bit | 04:33 |
| whatisthematrix | interesting. i don't show that i have an '8.6' version available to install. 8.5 is available | 04:36 |
| whatisthematrix | i'm updating my apt just to see if 8.6 has just come available | 04:38 |
| whatisthematrix | anyway.... | 04:38 |
| whatisthematrix | if you would try the following | 04:39 |
| whatisthematrix | cd /var/cache/apt/archives | 04:39 |
| Munchor | I have a tk8.4.deb and a tk8.6.deb | 04:40 |
| Munchor | tk8.4_8.4.20-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb | 04:40 |
| Munchor | tk8.6_8.6.1-3_amd64.deb | 04:40 |
| whatisthematrix | okay | 04:41 |
| whatisthematrix | what happens if you try... sudo apt-get remove tcl8.6 tcl8.6-lib tk8.6 tk8.6-lib | 04:41 |
| whatisthematrix | ahh! 8.6 is in my list now. 8.6 versions of tcl/tk are brand spanking new. i updated a few hours ago and they weren't available then | 04:43 |
| whatisthematrix | i think the system should be installing 'libtk8.6' instead of 'tk8.6-lib' | 04:45 |
| whatisthematrix | that is also a recent change. a change in the name of the packages. mine were replaced with the new package name just a few hours ago, but for 8.5 | 04:46 |
| Munchor | So just unlucky time to upgrade here? | 04:47 |
| whatisthematrix | maybe... what happens if you try? --> sudo apt-get -f install | 04:47 |
| Munchor | the output from paste.ubuntu.com I sent you earlier | 04:48 |
| Munchor | is from apt-get -f install | 04:48 |
| Munchor | which I ran after upgrade -f failed with a similar error | 04:48 |
| whatisthematrix | okay, roger | 04:48 |
| Munchor | which I ran after a normal update/upgrade with that error too | 04:48 |
| whatisthematrix | hang on a moment | 04:48 |
| whatisthematrix | do --> sudo apt-get -d install libtcl8.6 libtk8.6 | 04:49 |
| whatisthematrix | let me know when they are downloaded | 04:49 |
| whatisthematrix | if they aren't already | 04:49 |
| Munchor | >Download complete and in download only mode | 04:49 |
| whatisthematrix | okay. now you may get error message, but try the normal command first --> sudo dpkg -i libtcl8.6*.deb libtk8.6*.deb | 04:51 |
| Munchor | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6676643/ | 04:51 |
| whatisthematrix | i'm thinking you're going to need to force something to get stuff working. but try that first | 04:51 |
| whatisthematrix | what happens if you try the command it suggested in your first pastebin? --> sudo apt-get autoremove tcl8.6-lib tk8.6-lib | 04:54 |
| holstein | thats the way i usually deal with those.. just remove til i get "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" to complete without error | 04:55 |
| Munchor | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6676662/ | 04:56 |
| Munchor | won't let me remove packages? huh | 04:56 |
| whatisthematrix | holstein: roger that. i'd rather avoid having to use a "--force-overwrite", but i've done it many times before to get something straightened out | 04:56 |
| holstein | what did apt-get -f install do Munchor ? | 04:56 |
| whatisthematrix | Munchor: okay, one moment | 04:57 |
| Munchor | holstein, before I got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/6676584/ | 04:57 |
| Munchor | Should I try again? | 04:57 |
| holstein | Munchor: there is no "should".. this is unreleased software | 04:57 |
| whatisthematrix | Munchor: do --> sudo dpkg --force-depends -r tcl8.6-lib tk8.6-lib | 04:59 |
| Munchor | true holstein that's right | 04:59 |
| whatisthematrix | Munchor: then do --> sudo apt-get install libtcl8.6 libtk8.6 | 05:00 |
| holstein | Munchor: what triggered the install of those packages? try and remove whatever is pulling those in as well | 05:00 |
| holstein | Munchor: i assume you have tried simply "apt-get autoremove" | 05:01 |
| Munchor | whatisthematrix, that seems to have worked | 05:02 |
| Munchor | I just ran an update/upgrade and it worked just fine after that | 05:02 |
| whatisthematrix | Munchor: cool, cheers m8 | 05:02 |
| Munchor | Do you mind, though, explaining me what the first command did? I realize it is looking for dependencies of those two packages | 05:02 |
| Munchor | But what is it doing to them? | 05:03 |
| whatisthematrix | it seemd to think your system still depended on having tcl8.6-lib & tk8.6-lib. but those have been replaced by new packages named... libtcl8.6 libtk8.6 | 05:04 |
| Munchor | oh I see | 05:06 |
| whatisthematrix | if by the first command you mean --> sudo dpkg --force-depends -r tcl8.6-lib tk8.6-lib | 05:06 |
| Munchor | The rename makes perfect sense btw | 05:07 |
| whatisthematrix | that tells it to remove them regardless of dpkg thinking something depends upon them. | 05:07 |
| whatisthematrix | okay, cool | 05:07 |
| whatisthematrix | i've just looked at my latest updates, and if i go to upgrade, i think i'm going to have something similar to what happened to you Munchor. i haven't run the upgrade yet | 05:13 |
| whatisthematrix | but something looks amiss in aptitude at fist glance | 05:13 |
| whatisthematrix | first* | 05:13 |
| Munchor | Yeah it might happen to a lot more people | 05:14 |
| whatisthematrix | Yep.. | 05:14 |
| whatisthematrix | hi there lotuspsychje | 05:31 |
| lotuspsychje | whatisthematrix: hello mate, how are you? | 05:32 |
| whatisthematrix | doing okay here. how are you? | 05:32 |
| lotuspsychje | whatisthematrix: great, i installed trusty on my desktop | 05:32 |
| lotuspsychje | whatisthematrix: lookin rock solid to me | 05:33 |
| whatisthematrix | awesome! | 05:33 |
| lotuspsychje | whatisthematrix: did you have an ssd onboard? | 05:33 |
| whatisthematrix | no | 05:34 |
| lotuspsychje | ok | 05:34 |
| whatisthematrix | did you install 14.04/trusty on ssd? | 05:35 |
| whatisthematrix | i assume you did | 05:35 |
| lotuspsychje | yes, got both ssd on desktop/netbook | 05:35 |
| whatisthematrix | nice. very fast then? | 05:36 |
| lotuspsychje | its because ive read article about trusty enable TRIM by default cron job now | 05:36 |
| lotuspsychje | its rocketfast | 05:36 |
| whatisthematrix | sweet | 05:36 |
| lotuspsychje | boot under 5sec | 05:36 |
| whatisthematrix | wow! | 05:36 |
| whatisthematrix | that is fast | 05:36 |
| lotuspsychje | sudo halt -p in 3sec | 05:36 |
| whatisthematrix | rgr | 05:37 |
| whatisthematrix | mine shuts down pretty darn fast even with the regular hard drive i have. but it doesn't boot in anywhere near 5 seconds | 05:38 |
| lotuspsychje | you got query on? | 05:38 |
| whatisthematrix | oh, i didn't notice. one moment | 05:39 |
| lotuspsychje | someone might know the packagename of that ubuntu browser? | 06:14 |
| lotuspsychje | !info webbrowser-app | 06:16 |
| ubottu | webbrowser-app (source: webbrowser-app): Ubuntu web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 0.22+14.04.20131107-0ubuntu1 (trusty), package size 585 kB, installed size 1332 kB | 06:16 |
| lotuspsychje | whatisthematrix: this one mate | 06:16 |
| lotuspsychje | seems like its meant for touch support also :p | 06:17 |
| whatisthematrix | oh | 06:22 |
| whatisthematrix | ic | 06:22 |
| whatisthematrix | you like it then? | 06:22 |
| lotuspsychje | very | 06:24 |
| lotuspsychje | its fast and simple | 06:24 |
| whatisthematrix | cool. well, i'll have to check it out! | 06:24 |
| lotuspsychje | whatisthematrix: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 06:24 |
| lotuspsychje | 14.04 alpha | 06:25 |
| lotuspsychje | during install it shows 13.10, but after setup you can see 14.04 on lsb release | 06:25 |
| lotuspsychje | whatisthematrix: about the browser: http://iloveubuntu.net/web-browser-app-implemented-default-ubuntu-1404 | 06:26 |
| whatisthematrix | not sure why you're putting that link up for me. i'm already running 14.04. that is the address i used to d/l it it when i did. i'll check out the browser link though for sure | 06:26 |
| lotuspsychje | are you on 14.04? | 06:27 |
| lotuspsychje | oh so you just didnt find the webbrowser yet then? | 06:28 |
| whatisthematrix | i just wasn't aware of it. i use FF | 06:28 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah me too | 06:28 |
| whatisthematrix | i love FF and donate to it, if that tells you anything | 06:29 |
| lotuspsychje | lolz | 06:29 |
| lotuspsychje | surely FF is secure to browse | 06:29 |
| whatisthematrix | if you want to check it out, here's a screenshot of Enlightenment 0.18.1 with terminology 0.4.0 | 06:29 |
| whatisthematrix | http://tinypic.com/r/153s3fc/5 | 06:29 |
| lotuspsychje | oh nicely! | 06:30 |
| lotuspsychje | love ubuntu eyecandy :p | 06:30 |
| lotuspsychje | you should screenshot to deviantart | 06:30 |
| whatisthematrix | ya, me too! i don't mind minimal, but i also like eye-candy | 06:30 |
| lotuspsychje | lemme show mine | 06:31 |
| whatisthematrix | okay! | 06:32 |
| lotuspsychje | whatisthematrix: http://oi42.tinypic.com/2jerzva.jpg | 06:33 |
| whatisthematrix | sweet :) | 06:34 |
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