[20:59] <HardWareGuy> You know... I wouldn't trust wordpress for a distro's homepage.
[21:12] <HardWareGuy> Does ubuntu-gnome use debian unstable/testing as the source for gnome stuff or do they package in things on their own, i guess a mix of both
[22:31] <darkxst> HardWareGuy, this cycle we are largely in sync with debian/experimental, however generally in many other cycles we would be ahead of debian
[22:34] <HardWareGuy> Kubuntu is made by a lot of KDE guys, many gnome guys in gnobuntu too?
[22:35] <HardWareGuy> Or are the gnome devs more in fedoraland
[22:40] <darkxst> most of the gnome desktop team is employed by Red Hat, so Fedora
[22:41] <darkxst> we do however work with upstream gnome as well
[22:42] <darkxst> that I don't believe many of the core gnome devs have much to do with actual packaging etc on Fedora
[22:42] <HardWareGuy> The design is pretty stock right now, going to make some changes? coloration, thin the windows, custom backgrounds, layout tweaks
[22:44] <HardWareGuy> The distro could bring a lot of people back to gnome with some tweaks to make it more appealing
[22:45] <HardWareGuy> millions stopped using gnome when ubuntu went unity and kde's popularity has risen a lot
[22:46] <HardWareGuy> SteamOS come with gnome because it's vanilla debian with custom repos added on for steam and drivers
[22:47] <darkxst> SteamOS could have shipped with any DE, they are all there in debian after all
[22:47] <HardWareGuy> Maybe valve has a gnome fanboy :P
[22:49] <darkxst> anyway our aim is to ship a mostly upstream GNOME
[22:49] <darkxst> everyone always says you *must* ship this extension etc, however it always comes down to personal preferences
[22:49] <HardWareGuy> You gotta at least have an improved theme if you want to lure more people in, if people see vanilla gnome they won't even bother taking a look
[22:50] <HardWareGuy> Lots of vanilla gnome distros, lots of gnome fud
[22:53] <HardWareGuy> The Kernel Emperor himself said he wishes for a gnome distro that does respins(lol fedora), has lts, and isn't old(debian stable).
[22:55] <HardWareGuy> Ubuntu-Gnome is that, it just needs to stand out a little to get attention.
[23:43] <darkxst> themes are problematic in they get pretty broken with each new release
[23:44] <HardWareGuy> I don't have that issue with any other desktop :-/
[23:44] <darkxst> Ubuntu certainly have big issues with that! and we don't even have a theme designer on our team anyway
[23:45] <HardWareGuy> ubuntu is pretty un-customizable beyond the icons and color
[23:46] <darkxst> but every time gtk is updated there are tons of theme regressions (just you never see them, because they are mostly fixed before upload)
[23:47] <darkxst> and take a look at the 3rd party themes, its usually months before the support latest release