=== emma_ is now known as em === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [07:08] morning all === SuperMat1 is now known as SuperMatt [07:12] SuperMatt: ping [07:12] morning [07:12] going to pm you ok? [07:12] ok [07:15] SuperMatt: ps morning :D [07:15] morning -.- [07:19] I think I might be too ill for work today [07:19] but I think I should show up, at least to make it known how ill I am and I'm not just skipping work until I start my new job >.< [07:20] then get sent home, the best way imo [07:20] yarr [07:32] theres been a weird illness going round [07:33] stomach pains, feeling nauseous for few days [07:33] foobarry: father in law has that now, and my daughter had it last week :( [07:36] i had ut too [07:37] any other symptoms? [07:37] hihi - Happy New Year all :) [07:38] not that I can think of, the odd chest pain, but that could just be the father in law, daughter didn't seem to have that. [07:38] my baby has bad cold too :( [07:42] booo [07:54] \o [07:54] hello MartijnVdS [07:55] Happy new year everyone :) [07:55] You too! [08:14] Morning all [08:15] morning diplo [08:16] I had that stomach bug as well, just read up [08:16] I had it for 3-4 weeks, felt like I was having a heat attack at one point [08:17] I believe it was indigestion from whatever I had.. others had it for a week or so but I've been quite ill for some time so probably not the best person to gauge it on [08:20] morning folks [08:22] morning [08:44] oh what a world [08:45] are you melting, SuperMatt? [08:46] I might as well be [08:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aopdD9Cu-So [08:48] I'm assuming that's a video of the wicked witch melting? [08:49] yeah, in case anyone didn't get my reference or yours [08:49] morning all [09:11] aloha [09:15] hi === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [09:26] Good morning all, Happy New Year! :-D [09:26] Morning. [09:26] Happy new 2014 [09:27] \o/ [09:27] it's the future already [09:27] 🎉 [09:28] (U+1F389) [09:29] is that a bat signal? [09:30] I thought whatever font I'm using in my terminal had just about every Unicode symbol going, but that one confused it. :-P [09:30] I'm using the ubuntu font in my terminal [09:30] mostly because it's actually a good monospace font [09:31] 0Oo1IlL <- if any of this is confusing, I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems but my typeface ain't one [09:31] I suspect I am too. [09:32] interesting, in ubuntu mono the uppercase l is larger than lowercase [09:32] wait, that's wrong [09:32] yes [09:33] the lowercase l is larger than the upper case [09:33] So it is! [09:33] JamesTait: Do you use screen or tmux? Because screen gets confused by newer (higher) characters [09:33] I wonder what the decision was behind that [09:34] behind breaking UTF-8 in Screen? [09:34] To get people to move to tmux of course ;) [09:34] MartijnVdS, I use irssi through screen, so that might be it. [09:34] JamesTait: I use byobu + tmux, which does support those characters [09:34] JamesTait: it's http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f389/index.htm basically ;) [09:34] (the bug is http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?38944) [09:35] I just want to know who comes up with these things [09:35] any why, specifically, we need them [09:35] Party popper! [09:35] SuperMatt: the emojis etc.? So they can map *every* symbol set that existed before to unicode [09:36] right right, but surely there's a huge number of pictogarms? do we really need a party popper? [09:37] SuperMatt: they existed before as a standard set, in Japanese phones [09:37] SuperMatt: https://sites.google.com/site/unicodesymbols/Home/emoji-symbols/proposal-text [09:37] Those crazy Japanese! :-P [09:39] oh, I see [09:40] when you put it like that, it all makes sense [09:40] to some extent [09:43] i wonder how they decide prices for goods in oxfam. many are above RRP [09:45] oh really? [09:47] i wonde if they due a cursory ebay of an item and pick an arbirtrary price [09:48] they have an online shop [09:51] other non-chain charity shops price things low to shift stock, but oxfam seem to think they can demand near RRP for 2nd hand items [09:52] foobarry: well, if the rest goes to charity.. [09:53] MartijnVdS: they don't shift the stock though if they are selling H&M /primark clothes at higher price than the brand new stuff [09:53] foobarry: and to compensate, they increase prices even more ;) [09:54] foobarry: also, their management probably needs a new gold toilet or something? [09:54] i think the shop staff are volunteers, unsure if any are paid [09:54] (isn't that how most charities operate these days?) [09:55] I think the shop managers are paid, but everyone else aren't [09:55] In the financial year 2012/13, Oxfam's chief executive was paid £119,560 [09:55] which is more than I'm paid as a coder [09:56] and it feels a bit wrong, as they're a *charity*. [09:56] sure, but that a lot less than many ceos [09:57] I imagine it's not a low stress job [09:57] echoes my sentiment: http://www.weeklygripe.co.uk/a761.asp [09:57] so that actually seems quite fair to me [09:57] anything much higher than that though, and I would question it [09:58] if they paid too low then they will struggle to get a decent CEO [09:58] SuperMatt: we've had a few of those in the news in .nl [09:58] foobarry: indeed [09:59] I imagine that the ceo has a good social conscience not to want much more, but also be aware of what the going rate is for ceos, and thus has struck a good balance [09:59] they're charging those prices for goods in charity shops because supply+demand [10:01] Good morning peeps :) [10:02] i can't see them shifting badly priced clothes [10:02] they must get re-sent to diffrent branches where they are more reasonably priced [10:04] hence why independent ones price them correctly in the first place, because its up to themselves to shift stock [10:06] ah, they say there is no general policy on price, so experiences with different brancheds may vary === roht is now known as dottx [10:57] Morning all [10:57] \o davmor2 [10:57] Happy New Year! [10:58] morning davmor2 [10:59] MooDoo, MartijnVdS: nice break? [10:59] Nah, back at work already :) [11:01] davmor2: yeah it was thanks, but I'm with MartijnVdS back at work already [11:02] davmor2: but the christmas -> new year break was good :) [11:03] good morning everyone. [11:04] \o/ I started making a silly game yesterday. Anyone fancy testing it? ☻ [11:04] popey: sure, which platform? [11:04] windows / linux / osx [11:04] http://popey.com/asteroids/downloads/ [11:04] it's only just started, made the player movement and networking code [11:05] want to see if it works outside my house ☻ [11:05] popey: ah it's not Ubuntu Phone-only ;) [11:05] no ☻ [11:05] doesn't work on ubuntu phone (yet) [11:06] is it unity? [11:06] popey: works on windows machine at work [11:06] is that a silly question? [11:06] yes ali1234 [11:06] ./asteroids.x86: error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [11:06] ooh [11:06] but that might be me not having i386 libs [11:06] * popey uploads 64-bit version [11:06] * brobostigon probably will be spending more time making things for his pebble now. he suspects. [11:07] MooDoo: can you join the server? or indeed see any server? [11:07] popey: works for me on 13.10 64bit [11:07] popey: not sure how I exit though [11:07] yeah, i need a quit button ☻ [11:07] popey: can see jupieroids, but can't join it button does't do anything [11:07] popey: also, flew off the screen and can't find the craft again [11:08] popey: then again it could be work network, i'll try it at hom [11:08] ah, you on a proxy? [11:08] bigcalm: yeah, known bug ☻ [11:08] yeah. [11:08] ah, okay [11:08] will look at adding proxy support [11:08] ta [11:08] i can't see any servers. no proxy [11:08] i started a server and then flew off the screen [11:08] heh ☻ [11:09] how does the craft physics feel? [11:09] Same here [11:09] (other than going off screen) [11:09] sluggish / fast ? [11:09] Aha, refreshed the list and now I see Jupiteroids [11:09] impossible to tell, i flew off the screen within 0.5 seconds [11:09] I'll put a boundary around it for now [11:09] the graphic is a bit blurry [11:09] bigcalm: can you join? [11:09] popey: Clicking on Jupiteroids does nothing when I click on it [11:09] yeah, its a scaled up rip off from ZX Spectrum Thrust ☻ [11:09] bigcalm: excellent [11:09] Thrust was an excellent fame. [11:10] either make the edges wrap or just reflect the craft velocity vector if it goes beyond the edge and is also travelling away from the center of the screen [11:10] just the kind of result I was hoping for [11:10] also, game [11:10] The physics are similar to what I would expect from such a game [11:10] ali1234: yeah, agreed [11:10] seems nobody managed to successfully join the server [11:10] wonder if that's because I'm behind NAT [11:10] (where the server is) [11:10] what port does it use? [11:11] 25000 [11:12] MartijnVdS: 64-bit builds uploaded ㋛ [11:12] (although I expect you may have the same issues everyone else has) ☻ [11:13] 32 bit works on 64 bit [11:13] yeah, if you have the 32-bit GL stuff installed I guess [11:13] (which you will if you have steam on linux installed I imagine) [11:13] yeah [11:13] want to test this on android too [11:13] need to install the android sdk [11:13] write some more of the game first, you'll get more testers :) [11:13] yeah ☻ [11:14] thanks chaps [11:14] popey: physics feel good :) [11:14] Ooo, the 64bit version gives me a screen res options [11:14] i never got that [11:14] also "windows mode" or not [11:14] windowed [11:14] but without the networking stuff working it's going to never work, so I wanted to test that outside my home network first [11:14] heh, #blameunity [11:15] make a dedicated server? [11:15] or set up port forwarding [11:15] yeah, I'll make a headless build which spawns a server [11:15] Yep, the 64bit version works like the 32bit version for me. But with the addition of an options screen [11:16] odd that one build has the resolution option but the other doesn't [11:16] get it flying over the uuk minecraft map ;) [11:16] hah [11:16] also need a better ship graphic [11:16] "also" as in "as well as actually writing the rest of the game" ☻ [11:17] did you ever do christmas tetris? [11:17] no.. what's that? [11:17] Amusing that trying the 32bit version again now uses the settings I applied in the 64bit version. But still no option screen [11:17] you were going to write a christmas themed game in scratch [11:17] oh, yes, I started [11:17] sorry, forgot scratch for a moment there ☻ [11:18] need to look at that again before the next codeclub class, thanks for reminding me! [11:18] the hard part about writing games is finishing one before you start the next one [11:18] true! [11:18] my problem is I get easily dis...ooo look a frog! ;) [11:18] MooDoo: me too [11:18] and i just had an idea for a funny game [11:19] ali1234: likewise music [11:19] you could call it "coder focus" [11:19] which is why I have a couple of backup drives of half-finished audio, and several boxes of floppies of half-finished sequences [11:20] "oh this sounds good, doesn't fit this track, let me just create a new one and get it down quick" [11:20] MooDoo: you don't need a frog, a shiny will cover it [11:20] there's "one game a month" which makes this worse ☻ [11:20] http://www.onegameamonth.com/ [11:20] davmor2: me no likey shiney! [11:21] I am going to limit myself to three *finished* tracks before the end of March, then up the pace a bit and get some of the rest done [11:21] MooDoo: look at the shiny camera lens [11:21] davmor2: no can do at moment, got exams to concentrate on [11:22] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1046165765/egg-the-intelligent-cat-companion?ref=discovery [11:23] so do the unity tools work on linux yet? [11:26] every 3d pribter on kickstarter gets fully funded v quickly [11:26] ali1234: no [11:26] ali1234: i got them working briefly in WINE but it was sub-optimal [11:26] bit crashy [11:27] http://news.softpedia.com/news/Introducing-Unity-for-Arch-Arch-Linux-with-Unity-360250.shtml [11:27] hehe [11:30] never seen arch in the wild [11:31] I get told about it a lot from other linux users [11:31] it remains the mythical distro of the blog commenter [11:31] hah [11:36] I hate holidays the inbox after one is catastrophic [11:36] davmor2: thats why i'm always logging into work email during hols :) [11:37] MooDoo: I try not to touch a computer while I'm off or I get sucked in and I'm back to working again :D [11:38] davmor2: I should know better [11:38] I never log into work anything during hols [11:38] davmor2: are you ircing from a phone? [11:39] dwatkins: no back at work today [11:39] ahh, same here [11:39] happy back at work day! [11:39] i should have booked these two days off lol [11:39] no rest for the wicked, nor support staff like me ;) [11:40] MooDoo: no it's time for your email client to recover ready to start work on Monday ;) [11:42] dwatkins: same here...pah to support lol [11:42] thankfully it's quiet [11:42] here too [11:42] dwatkins: give me time to study :) [11:43] work leaving drinks booked \o/ [11:43] MooDoo: yeah, plenty of things to learn for me too [11:43] dwatkins: windows for me though lol [11:55] MooDoo: did you see the lightbox for camera phones on one of the crowdfunding sites? [11:56] davmor2: I think you mentioned it, but not 100% [12:06] this? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/limemouse/scanbox-turn-your-smartphone-into-a-portable-scann [12:06] nice [12:15] dwatkins: no just trying to find it [12:27] Happy New Year! [12:27] indeed [12:27] just getting back into the swing [12:40] http://img.outdoortoysworld.co.uk/images/products/Hedstrom%20Single%20Swing_A_SS-1.jpg andylockran ;) === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [13:19] Hi All and a Happy New Year... :) [13:21] selinuxium: and the same to you! [13:38] "up with the british aristocracy" [13:38] "and up yours" [13:38] :-p [13:38] something like that anywho [13:39] I forget the actual quote [13:41] so. it's 2014. doesn't feel any different. [13:42] diddledan: it has a 4 instead of a 3 so it's very different :P [13:42] I can't feel it yet [13:42] maybe it takes a while to soak-in>? [13:43] diddledan: no you just need to write it a few times :) [13:45] heh after all that oxfam chat this morning i was looking for a certain book and found that oxfam were selling it at a decent price via amazon marketplace [13:57] Does anyone in here have experience setting up ubuntu with >2 monitors (across multiple gfx cards) [13:57] I've never managed to get it to work :/ [13:57] sadly I don't. I'm an old-fashioned one monitor bloke [13:58] I've got two monitors on one nvidia card [14:01] My old box ran 4 monitors fine (raring + NVS Quatro). Can't even get the machine to detect the monitors with that card on my new machine. [14:01] Can get GFX up to 3 monitors, though the third has major tearing issues) [14:02] so, trying to work out my simplest way to get 4 running [14:04] Mez: bigcalm does [14:05] Mez: also, Azelphur [14:06] I run multiple monitors on an AMD 6870 card, but that's using the binary drivers and AMD's eyefinity thing [14:25] I run 3 22" monitors off one nvidia graphics card (2 x dvi and 1 x hdmi). My 4th monitor is connected to a windows server [14:25] I used to run more monitors, but that was over 2 graphics cards. So I've never had more than 3 monitors connected to one graphics card [14:27] I really don't need more than two monitors [14:27] at least, not for the kind of things I do [14:27] I can understand some people needing more though [14:35] you might have to use a xorg.conf in those cases [14:35] ? [15:06] so [15:08] Mez, you can't get more than 3 monitors hooked up to any current consumer-grade graphics card, unless the monitors are displayport-based and you use a displayport out on the graphics card [15:09] chaining \o/ [15:09] the gpu needs to synchronize the rate at which it sends data to the monitor, and most cards only have 3 independent clocks for synchronizing against. [15:09] displayport doesn't require synchronization as the timing information is bundled with the display data [15:10] so you aren't limited by pixel clocks [15:12] Heh, and on the multiple monitors topic, there's somebody in #u talking about having 6 monitors connected to 2 graphics cards... That must be a hell of a lot of screen space [15:12] I'm just not sure why anyone really needs that many [15:13] porn. [15:13] all the porn. [15:13] literally [15:13] I want a massive "screen" [15:13] though watching 6 movies simultaniously doesn't seem neccessary [15:14] driving sim with 3 monitors is awesome, then 2 smaller ones as wing mirrors, i've seen it, it's ace [15:14] 1) IRC, 2) Facebook, 3) Email, 4) Cat pictures, 5) G+, 6) Web browsing, 7) Work... Oh bugger, can't do any work, only got 6 screens :) [15:15] lol [15:15] I need at least 2 screens for work [15:15] * SuperMatt too [15:15] I tend to have about 4 or 5 terminal windows open at any time [15:15] one with the code and one with the test site [15:15] on one screen, and on the other, browser and email [15:15] yeah I'd like three so I have another for terminals [15:16] at my new job I believe I'll only have two [15:16] and for web coding I tend to have the inspector open so I would really like that on yet another [15:18] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.amphoras.hidemyroot&hl=en looked promising for 4od but doesnt appear to do the trick for CM [15:19] foobarry: "On some roms (usually rooted stock roms), Hide my Root will allow you to use Google Videos and similar apps on a rooted phone. On custom roms such as CyanogenMod, it will not allow you to use Google Videos and similar apps on a rooted phone." [15:20] note the second sentence [15:20] yeah, sucks. [15:20] hmm yeah, 3 screens for webdev does sound pretty optimal [15:20] must be doable [15:21] SuperMatt: then there's needing IRC open on another screen :-p [15:22] IRC just gets lost in all my other terminal windows [15:23] I use a GUI to IRC [15:23] irssi ftw [15:24] I like the at-a-glance ability of gui - colour-coded joined channel list indicating new messages and new highlighted messages for e.g. [15:24] i use irssi too on my vps [15:24] I'm gonna have to migrate my session in a couple of weeks [15:24] I expect irssi can do it with some fancy screen/byobu integration though [15:24] when I get my hands on cheaper vpses through work :P [15:25] :p [15:25] cheap vpsen? shut up and take my money! [15:25] :-p [15:25] diddledan: I'll be working for rackspace, so it'll be an employee only benefit [15:26] fooey [15:26] you'll be able to play with some fancy stuffs though [15:26] I know! [15:26] that's why I'm so excited about going [15:26] :-D [15:27] I'm not excited about transferring all the stuff on my current server over though [15:28] no doubt I'll foget a package or two and my email won't work at all [15:28] SuperMatt: all part of the fun! :D [15:28] sure thing :) [15:28] I'll just migrate it all and use local host modifications to test [15:48] SuperMatt: time to use chef ;) [15:48] nah, it's not like I change my server often [15:48] I was just gonna do dpkg --getselections, or whatevers [15:49] SuperMatt: still.. having a recipe = useful :) [15:50] I just ran get-selections and it sure as hell missed out a lot of my packages [15:50] SuperMatt: there's a better way that takes care of apt as well [15:52] SuperMatt: http://askubuntu.com/questions/101931/restoring-all-data-and-dependencies-from-dpkg-set-selections [15:53] aha, putting in the '*' made the difference [15:59] SuperMatt: you want apt-mark [16:00] I know I'll figure it out in a couple of weeks [16:04] I might actually manually look through the list of packages and remove the ones I know I won't need [16:04] because I've installed some crud in my time [16:06] havn't we all [16:14] autoremove ftw [16:14] :-p [16:35] aha, good news that nginx will be coming to main in 14.04 [16:35] Replacing Apache2? [16:35] no no [16:36] just being along side [16:36] which means it get support for the entire lifetime of the lts [16:36] Ah, good [16:39] I thought it was about time nginx got as much love as apache [16:41] yeah, good news [16:42] I've been using nginx quite a lot recently for load balancing and ssl termination [16:42] nginx ftw [16:42] but I still wouldn't use it for php heavy sites [19:22] \o/ it's unity-coding-o'clock [19:22] Somebody please give me an injection of sanity, watching a tv programme which had a heatseeking image of suspects & captors with a cross hair on them & I was moving my mouse expecting the crosshair to move....Doh!!!!! [19:24] popey: you have to add the 3d bit other wise it sound like you are at work still :D [19:31] heheh [19:31] they dont call it unity3d anymore [19:31] it's just called Unity, because they have a 3d and 2d engine [19:33] popey: that's not gonna be confusing at all :D [19:34] how does git automatically put output into a pager, and why don't more applications do this? [19:34] ali1234: magic [19:34] i am totally convinced this is the reason git is the most popular DVCS [19:35] every time i type "bzr log" and forget to append " | less" it makes me curse bzr developers [19:35] yeah, that broke me [19:35] so i found the bzr-pager plugin === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [22:02] Laney: 4 weeks to FOSDEM! [22:03] ^_^ [22:03] i'm scared [22:03] you'll have to show me the ropes [22:04] find a bar - sorted [22:04] at the event download the app before you go there [22:04] surely you have to find THE bar [22:04] and sub to the talks you want to go [22:04] sorted :) [22:04] Laney: narp it's delerium [22:04] done [22:04] o ok [22:05] we're at a hotel in the city centre [22:05] hope it's not too hard to get there [22:05] can't afford fosdem [22:06] blew hundreds on mono hackfest in vienna [22:06] huh [22:06] i assumed sponsorship happened [22:07]