| belkinsa | It seems that another team is trying use video chat for their meetings and maybe their Ubuntu Hours: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-us-ohio/msg01392.html | 13:29 |
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| jenni | [ Fwd: Preparing for the Video Chat meeting on 23January 2014 : Mailing list archive : ubuntu-us-ohio team in Launchpad ] - https://j.mp/Jw4jix | 13:29 |
| jrgifford | belkinsa: would webrtc be an option? | 14:35 |
| jrgifford | Its supported only on new browsers unfortunately. | 14:35 |
| jrgifford | But it could work. I could roll a webrtc service that supports ∞ people | 14:36 |
| belkinsa | Sure, why not. I was thinking of using Jitsi as a program to connect to something like that if it's possible. | 14:37 |
| belkinsa | But yeah, that problem is the issue. | 14:38 |
| jrgifford | still requires a server | 15:35 |
| belkinsa | Duh, it does. | 15:36 |
| paultag | webrtc is great | 16:11 |
| paultag | chatb.org | 16:11 |
| paultag | btw | 16:11 |
| paultag | use that | 16:11 |
| paultag | it's awesome | 16:11 |
| paultag | and it's free software using webrtc | 16:11 |
| belkinsa | There is? | 16:11 |
| paultag | chatb.org | 16:12 |
| belkinsa | Perfect, looks very stable. | 16:13 |
| paultag | it's very nice | 16:13 |
| paultag | http://r-w-x.org/?p=chatb.git;a=summary | 16:14 |
| jenni | [ r-w-x.org - chatb.git/summary ] - https://j.mp/19D3EYP | 16:14 |
| paultag | if you want to hack on it | 16:14 |
| jrgifford | cloning | 16:14 |
| belkinsa | But does chatb.org record and log? | 16:15 |
| paultag | no | 16:15 |
| paultag | you can set up a webrtc client to dump the stream, I'm sure | 16:15 |
| paultag | and/or patch it to do so | 16:15 |
| paultag | it's free software :) | 16:15 |
| belkinsa | Duh. | 16:15 |
| paultag | it works great for meetings | 16:15 |
| belkinsa | You think it might be the thing we need and for the Canada LoCo? | 16:16 |
| paultag | It's great. I use it all the time | 16:16 |
| paultag | I use it to talk with friends and stuff | 16:16 |
| paultag | and the URLs are stable | 16:16 |
| paultag | http://chatb.org/#ubuntu-ca is valid | 16:16 |
| jenni | [ chatb.org ] - https://j.mp/19D3WyX | 16:16 |
| paultag | and you can link that everywhere | 16:16 |
| belkinsa | https://chatb.org/#ubuntu-oh will be ours then | 16:22 |
| jenni | [ chatb.org ] - https://j.mp/19D4oNB | 16:22 |
| paultag | y u no #ubuntu-us-oh | 16:23 |
| belkinsa | Good point. | 16:23 |
| belkinsa | Duh./ | 16:23 |
| paultag | my loco counciler just peeked out | 16:23 |
| paultag | where was smk? :) | 16:23 |
| belkinsa | There fixed: https://chatb.org/#ubuntu-us-oh | 16:25 |
| jenni | [ chatb.org ] - https://j.mp/19D4EfI | 16:25 |
| paultag | I'd test it out but I'm at work :) | 16:25 |
| paultag | oh btw | 16:25 |
| paultag | works with a lot of phoens too | 16:26 |
| belkinsa | Maybe tonight? | 16:26 |
| paultag | i use my tablet and phone all the time with chatborg | 16:26 |
| belkinsa | I should do the same, but I would be using my mic instead of my webcam | 16:26 |
| belkinsa | paultag, does it require flash? | 16:40 |
| paultag | no, it's webrtc | 16:40 |
| paultag | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC | 16:41 |
| jenni | [ WebRTC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ] - https://j.mp/19D66i6 | 16:41 |
| belkinsa | So, that means it require a new version of firefox or chrome. | 16:41 |
| paultag | FSVO "new" | 16:42 |
| paultag | It's been around for ages | 16:42 |
| belkinsa | Yeah, it's sable on Firefox 22+ and I have 26/ | 16:42 |
| * belkinsa is trying to get it to work | 16:45 | |
| belkinsa | Tinychat is another option that I forgot about but remembered after reading this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ca/2014-January/010223.html | 16:52 |
| jenni | [ Preparing for the Video Chat meeting on 23 January 2014 ] - https://j.mp/19D7z83 | 16:52 |
| belkinsa | But that requires flash. | 16:53 |
| belkinsa | And it's not FOSS, a believe. | 16:54 |
| belkinsa | I* | 16:54 |
| gilbert | paultag: is there a good wiki page with instructions for enabling systemd as init? i would really like to educate myself | 16:55 |
| belkinsa | Woah! Hey there gilbert. | 16:55 |
| gilbert | hi :) | 16:55 |
| paultag | gilbert: apt-get install init; sudo vim /etc/default/grub; change GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT to add init=/usr/bin/systemd | 16:56 |
| paultag | gilbert: but hold on, it's documented | 16:56 |
| gilbert | btw hi paultag :) haven't chatted in a long time :/ | 16:56 |
| paultag | gilbert: hi :) | 16:56 |
| paultag | gilbert: yeah, I miss you! :) | 16:57 |
| belkinsa | Most of who is on the channels tend to be lurkers anyways. ;) | 16:57 |
| paultag | gilbert: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installation | 16:57 |
| gilbert | paultag: sorry for throwing some wrenches in the init discussion ;) | 16:57 |
| jenni | [ systemd - Debian Wiki ] - https://j.mp/19D86XC | 16:57 |
| paultag | gilbert: it's cool :) | 16:57 |
| paultag | gilbert: I enjoy both wrenches and discussion | 16:57 |
| gilbert | paultag: i'm quite aware :) | 16:58 |
| paultag | :) | 16:58 |
| paultag | gilbert: so, what's new, doc? | 16:58 |
| gilbert | its really snowy :) i like snow | 17:00 |
| paultag | ditto | 17:00 |
| paultag | in both respects | 17:00 |
| belkinsa | Same. | 17:00 |
| gilbert | paultag: been busy lately getting wine in good shape | 17:00 |
| paultag | oh snap | 17:01 |
| paultag | you're making your own wine? I used to do that as a kid :D | 17:01 |
| gilbert | paultag: haha | 17:01 |
| paultag | We had the huge glass jugs (massive) in the basement | 17:01 |
| paultag | made a bit of vinigar and a bit of wine | 17:01 |
| paultag | gilbert: how's it coming along? | 17:01 |
| paultag | gilbert: going to make some http://cdn.sejalivre.org/uploads/2012/03/debian-wine.jpg ? :) | 17:02 |
| paultag | gilbert: Ohhhh, shit, WINE. | 17:02 |
| gilbert | paultag: so WINE the application, not wine the drink | 17:02 |
| paultag | I literally *JUST* got that. | 17:02 |
| paultag | I'm an idiot. | 17:02 |
| gilbert | yeah | 17:02 |
| gilbert | its ok | 17:02 |
| paultag | I saw wine go through NEW at one point I think | 17:02 |
| paultag | I think ansgar was doing that one | 17:02 |
| belkinsa | lol | 17:02 |
| gilbert | anyway, i finally got around to cleaning up the packaging a ton. it was a total mess from the old maintainer | 17:03 |
| paultag | yeah, I remember those dark days | 17:03 |
| paultag | thanks for working on it :) | 17:03 |
| gilbert | and i now make it automatically choose between wine32 and wine64 without user intervention | 17:03 |
| paultag | oh snap | 17:04 |
| gilbert | anyway just a nice little convenience tweak | 17:04 |
| paultag | that's a really good idea | 17:04 |
| gilbert | but that actually took a lot of thought and time on my part | 17:04 |
| gilbert | so i didn't have any idea that switching to systemd would be so insanely straightforward | 17:05 |
| paultag | yeah | 17:05 |
| paultag | it's really nice | 17:05 |
| paultag | I enjoy using systemd a lot. I think that'll change once we drop sysvinit and we don't have systemd as default, since init files will start to go missing | 17:06 |
| paultag | but socket based activation is amazing | 17:06 |
| paultag | I need to finally tweak it so postgres, mongodb, nginx and friends don't start up unless I hit them | 17:06 |
| gilbert | i'm thinking about making a package whose only job is to switch between sysvinit and systemd (and upstart too at somepoint). that, i think, will be a technical solution that will entirely negate the need for any TC decision | 17:09 |
| gilbert | wanna help? | 17:10 |
| paultag | gilbert: I'm a bit overlaoded, but I'd love to help in whatever way I can | 17:10 |
| paultag | I love the idea of making the switch easier | 17:10 |
| gilbert | paultag: i am too, but i'm sufficiently annoyed by the init stuff | 17:11 |
| gilbert | i have much better things i would like to work on... | 17:11 |
| paultag | truth | 17:12 |
| belkinsa | paultag, do users that use chatb need to install NetIRC? | 17:23 |
| belkinsa | webrtc* | 17:23 |
| paultag | Nope. | 17:23 |
| paultag | It's a standard that browsers implement | 17:23 |
| belkinsa | Okay. | 17:23 |
| paultag | works fine here on unmodified Debian | 17:24 |
| paultag | with chrome | 17:24 |
| belkinsa | Doesn't work on Ubuntu 13.10 and Firefox 26 | 17:24 |
| paultag | I really don't think that's true | 17:24 |
| paultag | I have FF 24 and it's working fine | 17:25 |
| belkinsa | Well, it works my tablet | 17:25 |
| belkinsa | Okay, it seems to be working my tablet, but let me try to reboot my computer and see if that fixes it. | 17:31 |
| belkinsa | Nope, still freezing up firefox... | 17:35 |
| paultag | did you allow it to use your webcam? | 17:35 |
| belkinsa | It doesn't take me to that. It does on the tablet and Firefox on it. | 17:36 |
| paultag | did you let it hang out? | 17:36 |
| belkinsa | On sec | 17:36 |
| belkinsa | Perhaps I don't have enough power for it on my netbook | 17:37 |
| belkinsa | This what happens: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bc_fFhgCIAABwHZ.png | 17:39 |
| belkinsa | It just freezes up | 17:40 |
| belkinsa | But what, I'm willing to use my tablet for it and my netbook for IRC if we do Ubuntu Hours this way. | 17:40 |
| gilbert | paultag: i get a kernel panic when using init=/usr/bin/systemd. it say NEW_ROOT must be a mount point. any ideas or pointers to docs that may help me? | 19:14 |
| gilbert | btw, which tool should i be using to read the binary log files that systemd has touched? | 19:22 |
| paultag | gilbert: I'm not sure, I've never had to debug that yet, and it talks with syslog-ng, so I just read the text file, but I can imagine it's not brought up yet | 19:32 |
| paultag | gilbert: I know there's a fancy log viewer thing | 19:32 |
| paultag | gilbert: also that NEW_ROOT thing, I feel like I know of where that comes from | 19:32 |
| paultag | gilbert: is udev up to date? | 19:33 |
| gilbert | libudev1 is 204-6 | 19:37 |
| gilbert | same for the other udev packages | 19:37 |
| gilbert | was using plain syslog | 19:39 |
| paultag | hurm | 19:40 |
| paultag | gilbert: #debian-systemd might know something | 19:40 |
| paultag | i just joined, I'll watch :> | 19:40 |
| gilbert | going to test on real hw first. been testing in a vm so far. | 19:41 |
| paultag | w0rd | 19:41 |
| gilbert | same thing on real hw :( | 19:49 |
| Unit193 | gilbert: \o | 19:49 |
| gilbert | oh, there is no /usr/bin/systemd on my system | 19:50 |
| paultag | oh doh | 19:52 |
| paultag | is it just /bin ? | 19:52 |
| gilbert | yes | 19:52 |
| gilbert | ;) | 19:52 |
| paultag | doh | 19:52 |
| paultag | duh | 19:52 |
| gilbert | awesome! systemd is pid 1 :) :) :) | 19:54 |
| paultag | :D | 19:54 |
| gilbert | thanks for the bad advice paultag ;) | 19:54 |
| paultag | gilbert: no problem, it's what I'm here for | 19:55 |
| Unit193 | I thought that was my job, bad advice and half-baked packages. | 19:56 |
| Unit193 | paultag: You don't many QA uploads? | 21:48 |
| paultag | nosir | 21:48 |
| paultag | but I have sponsored a few | 21:49 |
| Unit193 | Hrm, alright. | 21:50 |
| belkinsa | paultag, I tested chatb.org with someone and we be liked it. | 21:51 |
| paultag | :D | 21:51 |
| paultag | I love it | 21:51 |
| paultag | I need to set it up at pault.ag somewhere. | 21:51 |
| belkinsa | You can have more than two, right? | 21:51 |
| paultag | of course | 21:52 |
| belkinsa | Thanks, someone was wondering this in #ubuntu-locoteams | 21:53 |
| paultag | ah yes, -locoteams | 21:54 |
| Unit193 | Dowh, my browser doesn't support it. :/ | 21:56 |
| belkinsa | Can you try with your smart device? | 21:57 |
| Unit193 | What smart device? | 21:57 |
| belkinsa | Phone or Tablet. | 21:57 |
| belkinsa | If you have one. | 21:57 |
| Unit193 | Yes, what device? I have none. I just opened firefox, done. | 21:57 |
| belkinsa | And it's asking your to share your webcam and mic? | 21:58 |
| belkinsa | One minute, let me get it going on my tablet | 21:58 |
| Unit193 | Already closed it, but it actually got to the interface so I saw what I needed. | 21:58 |
| belkinsa | Okay | 21:59 |
| jrgifford | belkinsa: want me to join it? | 22:01 |
| belkinsa | Sure. | 22:01 |
| belkinsa | Make sure you have good connection for video | 22:02 |
| jrgifford | #ubuntu-us-oh, right? | 22:02 |
| belkinsa | Yes. | 22:02 |
| jrgifford | looks fairly complete | 22:02 |
| jrgifford | i might start using this for hanging out with friends | 22:02 |
| belkinsa | I once used Tinychat and TeamSpeak3. | 22:03 |
| jrgifford | We use TS3 at work, i don't care for it that much.. | 22:03 |
| jrgifford | it's not bad, but not great | 22:03 |
| belkinsa | Yeah, I played Traveller over it | 22:03 |
| belkinsa | Is it me or you are not there. | 22:07 |
| jrgifford | i'm there now | 22:09 |
| jrgifford | are you there? | 22:09 |
| belkinsa | Yeah, problems though. | 22:09 |
| belkinsa | One sec | 22:10 |
| jrgifford | ok | 22:10 |
| belkinsa | I think AdBlock plus plug in doesn't work well on the firefox tablet | 22:11 |
| belkinsa | Okay, I give. See me? | 22:12 |
| jrgifford | nope | 22:13 |
| belkinsa | Strange. | 22:13 |
| jrgifford | and i've got to go shovel snow | 22:13 |
| jrgifford | so back later. :( | 22:13 |
| belkinsa | Okay | 22:13 |
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