[13:29] It seems that another team is trying use video chat for their meetings and maybe their Ubuntu Hours: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-us-ohio/msg01392.html [13:29] [ Fwd: Preparing for the Video Chat meeting on 23 January 2014 : Mailing list archive : ubuntu-us-ohio team in Launchpad ] - https://j.mp/Jw4jix [14:35] belkinsa: would webrtc be an option? [14:35] Its supported only on new browsers unfortunately. [14:36] But it could work. I could roll a webrtc service that supports ∞ people [14:37] Sure, why not. I was thinking of using Jitsi as a program to connect to something like that if it's possible. [14:38] But yeah, that problem is the issue. [15:35] still requires a server [15:36] Duh, it does. [16:11] webrtc is great [16:11] chatb.org [16:11] btw [16:11] use that [16:11] it's awesome [16:11] and it's free software using webrtc [16:11] There is? [16:12] chatb.org [16:13] Perfect, looks very stable. [16:13] it's very nice [16:14] http://r-w-x.org/?p=chatb.git;a=summary [16:14] [ r-w-x.org - chatb.git/summary ] - https://j.mp/19D3EYP [16:14] if you want to hack on it [16:14] cloning [16:15] But does chatb.org record and log? [16:15] no [16:15] you can set up a webrtc client to dump the stream, I'm sure [16:15] and/or patch it to do so [16:15] it's free software :) [16:15] Duh. [16:15] it works great for meetings [16:16] You think it might be the thing we need and for the Canada LoCo? [16:16] It's great. I use it all the time [16:16] I use it to talk with friends and stuff [16:16] and the URLs are stable [16:16] http://chatb.org/#ubuntu-ca is valid [16:16] [ chatb.org ] - https://j.mp/19D3WyX [16:16] and you can link that everywhere [16:22] https://chatb.org/#ubuntu-oh will be ours then [16:22] [ chatb.org ] - https://j.mp/19D4oNB [16:23] y u no #ubuntu-us-oh [16:23] Good point. [16:23] Duh./ [16:23] my loco counciler just peeked out [16:23] where was smk? :) [16:25] There fixed: https://chatb.org/#ubuntu-us-oh [16:25] [ chatb.org ] - https://j.mp/19D4EfI [16:25] I'd test it out but I'm at work :) [16:25] oh btw [16:26] works with a lot of phoens too [16:26] Maybe tonight? [16:26] i use my tablet and phone all the time with chatborg [16:26] I should do the same, but I would be using my mic instead of my webcam [16:40] paultag, does it require flash? [16:40] no, it's webrtc [16:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC [16:41] [ WebRTC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ] - https://j.mp/19D66i6 [16:41] So, that means it require a new version of firefox or chrome. [16:42] FSVO "new" [16:42] It's been around for ages [16:42] Yeah, it's sable on Firefox 22+ and I have 26/ [16:45] * belkinsa is trying to get it to work [16:52] Tinychat is another option that I forgot about but remembered after reading this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ca/2014-January/010223.html [16:52] [ Preparing for the Video Chat meeting on 23 January 2014 ] - https://j.mp/19D7z83 [16:53] But that requires flash. [16:54] And it's not FOSS, a believe. [16:54] I* [16:55] paultag: is there a good wiki page with instructions for enabling systemd as init? i would really like to educate myself [16:55] Woah! Hey there gilbert. [16:55] hi :) [16:56] gilbert: apt-get install init; sudo vim /etc/default/grub; change GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT to add init=/usr/bin/systemd [16:56] gilbert: but hold on, it's documented [16:56] btw hi paultag :) haven't chatted in a long time :/ [16:56] gilbert: hi :) [16:57] gilbert: yeah, I miss you! :) [16:57] Most of who is on the channels tend to be lurkers anyways. ;) [16:57] gilbert: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installation [16:57] paultag: sorry for throwing some wrenches in the init discussion ;) [16:57] [ systemd - Debian Wiki ] - https://j.mp/19D86XC [16:57] gilbert: it's cool :) [16:57] gilbert: I enjoy both wrenches and discussion [16:58] paultag: i'm quite aware :) [16:58] :) [16:58] gilbert: so, what's new, doc? [17:00] its really snowy :) i like snow [17:00] ditto [17:00] in both respects [17:00] Same. [17:00] paultag: been busy lately getting wine in good shape [17:01] oh snap [17:01] you're making your own wine? I used to do that as a kid :D [17:01] paultag: haha [17:01] We had the huge glass jugs (massive) in the basement [17:01] made a bit of vinigar and a bit of wine [17:01] gilbert: how's it coming along? [17:02] gilbert: going to make some http://cdn.sejalivre.org/uploads/2012/03/debian-wine.jpg ? :) [17:02] gilbert: Ohhhh, shit, WINE. [17:02] paultag: so WINE the application, not wine the drink [17:02] I literally *JUST* got that. [17:02] I'm an idiot. [17:02] yeah [17:02] its ok [17:02] I saw wine go through NEW at one point I think [17:02] I think ansgar was doing that one [17:02] lol [17:03] anyway, i finally got around to cleaning up the packaging a ton. it was a total mess from the old maintainer [17:03] yeah, I remember those dark days [17:03] thanks for working on it :) [17:03] and i now make it automatically choose between wine32 and wine64 without user intervention [17:04] oh snap [17:04] anyway just a nice little convenience tweak [17:04] that's a really good idea [17:04] but that actually took a lot of thought and time on my part [17:05] so i didn't have any idea that switching to systemd would be so insanely straightforward [17:05] yeah [17:05] it's really nice [17:06] I enjoy using systemd a lot. I think that'll change once we drop sysvinit and we don't have systemd as default, since init files will start to go missing [17:06] but socket based activation is amazing [17:06] I need to finally tweak it so postgres, mongodb, nginx and friends don't start up unless I hit them [17:09] i'm thinking about making a package whose only job is to switch between sysvinit and systemd (and upstart too at somepoint). that, i think, will be a technical solution that will entirely negate the need for any TC decision [17:10] wanna help? [17:10] gilbert: I'm a bit overlaoded, but I'd love to help in whatever way I can [17:10] I love the idea of making the switch easier [17:11] paultag: i am too, but i'm sufficiently annoyed by the init stuff [17:11] i have much better things i would like to work on... [17:12] truth [17:23] paultag, do users that use chatb need to install NetIRC? [17:23] webrtc* [17:23] Nope. [17:23] It's a standard that browsers implement [17:23] Okay. [17:24] works fine here on unmodified Debian [17:24] with chrome [17:24] Doesn't work on Ubuntu 13.10 and Firefox 26 [17:24] I really don't think that's true [17:25] I have FF 24 and it's working fine [17:25] Well, it works my tablet [17:31] Okay, it seems to be working my tablet, but let me try to reboot my computer and see if that fixes it. [17:35] Nope, still freezing up firefox... [17:35] did you allow it to use your webcam? [17:36] It doesn't take me to that. It does on the tablet and Firefox on it. [17:36] did you let it hang out? [17:36] On sec [17:37] Perhaps I don't have enough power for it on my netbook [17:39] This what happens: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bc_fFhgCIAABwHZ.png [17:40] It just freezes up [17:40] But what, I'm willing to use my tablet for it and my netbook for IRC if we do Ubuntu Hours this way. [19:14] paultag: i get a kernel panic when using init=/usr/bin/systemd. it say NEW_ROOT must be a mount point. any ideas or pointers to docs that may help me? [19:22] btw, which tool should i be using to read the binary log files that systemd has touched? [19:32] gilbert: I'm not sure, I've never had to debug that yet, and it talks with syslog-ng, so I just read the text file, but I can imagine it's not brought up yet [19:32] gilbert: I know there's a fancy log viewer thing [19:32] gilbert: also that NEW_ROOT thing, I feel like I know of where that comes from [19:33] gilbert: is udev up to date? [19:37] libudev1 is 204-6 [19:37] same for the other udev packages [19:39] was using plain syslog [19:40] hurm [19:40] gilbert: #debian-systemd might know something [19:40] i just joined, I'll watch :> [19:41] going to test on real hw first. been testing in a vm so far. [19:41] w0rd [19:49] same thing on real hw :( [19:49] gilbert: \o [19:50] oh, there is no /usr/bin/systemd on my system [19:52] oh doh [19:52] is it just /bin ? [19:52] yes [19:52] ;) [19:52] doh [19:52] duh [19:54] awesome! systemd is pid 1 :) :) :) [19:54] :D [19:54] thanks for the bad advice paultag ;) [19:55] gilbert: no problem, it's what I'm here for [19:56] I thought that was my job, bad advice and half-baked packages. [21:48] paultag: You don't many QA uploads? [21:48] nosir [21:49] but I have sponsored a few [21:50] Hrm, alright. [21:51] paultag, I tested chatb.org with someone and we be liked it. [21:51] :D [21:51] I love it [21:51] I need to set it up at pault.ag somewhere. [21:51] You can have more than two, right? [21:52] of course [21:53] Thanks, someone was wondering this in #ubuntu-locoteams [21:54] ah yes, -locoteams [21:56] Dowh, my browser doesn't support it. :/ [21:57] Can you try with your smart device? [21:57] What smart device? [21:57] Phone or Tablet. [21:57] If you have one. [21:57] Yes, what device? I have none. I just opened firefox, done. [21:58] And it's asking your to share your webcam and mic? [21:58] One minute, let me get it going on my tablet [21:58] Already closed it, but it actually got to the interface so I saw what I needed. [21:59] Okay [22:01] belkinsa: want me to join it? [22:01] Sure. [22:02] Make sure you have good connection for video [22:02] #ubuntu-us-oh, right? [22:02] Yes. [22:02] looks fairly complete [22:02] i might start using this for hanging out with friends [22:03] I once used Tinychat and TeamSpeak3. [22:03] We use TS3 at work, i don't care for it that much.. [22:03] it's not bad, but not great [22:03] Yeah, I played Traveller over it [22:07] Is it me or you are not there. [22:09] i'm there now [22:09] are you there? [22:09] Yeah, problems though. [22:10] One sec [22:10] ok [22:11] I think AdBlock plus plug in doesn't work well on the firefox tablet [22:12] Okay, I give. See me? [22:13] nope [22:13] Strange. [22:13] and i've got to go shovel snow [22:13] so back later. :( [22:13] Okay