[13:29] <belkinsa> It seems that another team is trying use video chat for their meetings and maybe their Ubuntu Hours: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-us-ohio/msg01392.html
[13:29] <jenni> [ Fwd: Preparing for the Video Chat meeting on 23	January 2014 : Mailing list archive : ubuntu-us-ohio team in Launchpad ] - https://j.mp/Jw4jix
[14:35] <jrgifford> belkinsa: would webrtc be an option?
[14:35] <jrgifford> Its supported only on new browsers unfortunately.
[14:36] <jrgifford> But it could work. I could roll a webrtc service that supports ∞ people
[14:37] <belkinsa> Sure, why not.  I was thinking of using Jitsi as a program to connect to something like that if it's possible.
[14:38] <belkinsa> But yeah, that problem is the issue.
[15:35] <jrgifford> still requires a server
[15:36] <belkinsa> Duh, it does.
[16:11] <paultag> webrtc is great
[16:11] <paultag> chatb.org
[16:11] <paultag> btw
[16:11] <paultag> use that
[16:11] <paultag> it's awesome
[16:11] <paultag> and it's free software using webrtc
[16:11] <belkinsa> There is?
[16:12] <paultag> chatb.org
[16:13] <belkinsa> Perfect, looks very stable.
[16:13] <paultag> it's very nice
[16:14] <paultag> http://r-w-x.org/?p=chatb.git;a=summary
[16:14] <jenni> [ r-w-x.org - chatb.git/summary ] - https://j.mp/19D3EYP
[16:14] <paultag> if you want to hack on it
[16:14] <jrgifford> cloning
[16:15] <belkinsa> But does chatb.org record and log?
[16:15] <paultag> no
[16:15] <paultag> you can set up a webrtc client to dump the stream, I'm sure
[16:15] <paultag> and/or patch it to do so
[16:15] <paultag> it's free software :)
[16:15] <belkinsa> Duh.
[16:15] <paultag> it works great for meetings
[16:16] <belkinsa> You think it might be the thing we need and for the Canada LoCo?
[16:16] <paultag> It's great. I use it all the time
[16:16] <paultag> I use it to talk with friends and stuff
[16:16] <paultag> and the URLs are stable
[16:16] <paultag> http://chatb.org/#ubuntu-ca is valid
[16:16] <jenni> [ chatb.org ] - https://j.mp/19D3WyX
[16:16] <paultag> and you can link that everywhere
[16:22] <belkinsa> https://chatb.org/#ubuntu-oh will be ours then
[16:22] <jenni> [ chatb.org ] - https://j.mp/19D4oNB
[16:23] <paultag> y u no #ubuntu-us-oh
[16:23] <belkinsa> Good point.
[16:23] <belkinsa> Duh./
[16:23] <paultag> my loco counciler just peeked out
[16:23] <paultag> where was smk? :)
[16:25] <belkinsa> There fixed: https://chatb.org/#ubuntu-us-oh
[16:25] <jenni> [ chatb.org ] - https://j.mp/19D4EfI
[16:25] <paultag> I'd test it out but I'm at work :)
[16:25] <paultag> oh btw
[16:26] <paultag> works with a lot of phoens too
[16:26] <belkinsa> Maybe tonight?
[16:26] <paultag> i use my tablet and phone all the time with chatborg
[16:26] <belkinsa> I should do the same, but I would be using my mic instead of my webcam
[16:40] <belkinsa> paultag, does it require flash?
[16:40] <paultag> no, it's webrtc
[16:41] <paultag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC
[16:41] <jenni> [ WebRTC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ] - https://j.mp/19D66i6
[16:41] <belkinsa> So, that means it require a new version of firefox or chrome.
[16:42] <paultag> FSVO "new"
[16:42] <paultag> It's been around for ages
[16:42] <belkinsa> Yeah, it's sable on Firefox 22+ and I have 26/
[16:45]  * belkinsa is trying to get it to work
[16:52] <belkinsa> Tinychat is another option that I forgot about but remembered after reading this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ca/2014-January/010223.html
[16:52] <jenni> [ Preparing for the Video Chat meeting on 23 January 2014 ] - https://j.mp/19D7z83
[16:53] <belkinsa> But that requires flash.
[16:54] <belkinsa> And it's not FOSS, a believe.
[16:54] <belkinsa> I*
[16:55] <gilbert> paultag: is there a good wiki page with instructions for enabling systemd as init?  i would really like to educate myself
[16:55] <belkinsa> Woah!  Hey there gilbert.
[16:55] <gilbert> hi :)
[16:56] <paultag> gilbert: apt-get install init; sudo vim /etc/default/grub; change GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT to add init=/usr/bin/systemd
[16:56] <paultag> gilbert: but hold on, it's documented
[16:56] <gilbert> btw hi paultag :)  haven't chatted in a long time :/
[16:56] <paultag> gilbert: hi :)
[16:57] <paultag> gilbert: yeah, I miss you! :)
[16:57] <belkinsa> Most of who is on the channels tend to be lurkers anyways.  ;)
[16:57] <paultag> gilbert: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installation
[16:57] <gilbert> paultag: sorry for throwing some wrenches in the init discussion ;)
[16:57] <jenni> [ systemd - Debian Wiki ] - https://j.mp/19D86XC
[16:57] <paultag> gilbert: it's cool :)
[16:57] <paultag> gilbert: I enjoy both wrenches and discussion
[16:58] <gilbert> paultag: i'm quite aware :)
[16:58] <paultag> :)
[16:58] <paultag> gilbert: so, what's new, doc?
[17:00] <gilbert> its really snowy :) i like snow
[17:00] <paultag> ditto
[17:00] <paultag> in both respects
[17:00] <belkinsa> Same.
[17:00] <gilbert> paultag: been busy lately getting wine in good shape
[17:01] <paultag> oh snap
[17:01] <paultag> you're making your own wine? I used to do that as a kid :D
[17:01] <gilbert> paultag: haha
[17:01] <paultag> We had the huge glass jugs (massive) in the basement
[17:01] <paultag> made a bit of vinigar and a bit of wine
[17:01] <paultag> gilbert: how's it coming along?
[17:02] <paultag> gilbert: going to make some http://cdn.sejalivre.org/uploads/2012/03/debian-wine.jpg ? :)
[17:02] <paultag> gilbert: Ohhhh, shit, WINE.
[17:02] <gilbert> paultag: so WINE the application, not wine the drink
[17:02] <paultag> I literally *JUST* got that.
[17:02] <paultag> I'm an idiot.
[17:02] <gilbert> yeah
[17:02] <gilbert> its ok
[17:02] <paultag> I saw wine go through NEW at one point I think
[17:02] <paultag> I think ansgar was doing that one
[17:02] <belkinsa> lol
[17:03] <gilbert> anyway, i finally got around to cleaning up the packaging a ton.  it was a total mess from the old maintainer
[17:03] <paultag> yeah, I remember those dark days
[17:03] <paultag> thanks for working on it :)
[17:03] <gilbert> and i now make it automatically choose between wine32 and wine64 without user intervention
[17:04] <paultag> oh snap
[17:04] <gilbert> anyway just a nice little convenience tweak
[17:04] <paultag> that's a really good idea
[17:04] <gilbert> but that actually took a lot of thought and time on my part
[17:05] <gilbert> so i didn't have any idea that switching to systemd would be so insanely straightforward
[17:05] <paultag> yeah
[17:05] <paultag> it's really nice
[17:06] <paultag> I enjoy using systemd a lot. I think that'll change once we drop sysvinit and we don't have systemd as default, since init files will start to go missing
[17:06] <paultag> but socket based activation is amazing
[17:06] <paultag> I need to finally tweak it so postgres, mongodb, nginx and friends don't start up unless I hit them
[17:09] <gilbert> i'm thinking about making a package whose only job is to switch between sysvinit and systemd (and upstart too at somepoint).  that, i think, will be a technical solution that will entirely negate the need for any TC decision
[17:10] <gilbert> wanna help?
[17:10] <paultag> gilbert: I'm a bit overlaoded, but I'd love to help in whatever way I can
[17:10] <paultag> I love the idea of making the switch easier
[17:11] <gilbert> paultag: i am too, but i'm sufficiently annoyed by the init stuff
[17:11] <gilbert> i have much better things i would like to work on...
[17:12] <paultag> truth
[17:23] <belkinsa> paultag, do users that use chatb need to install NetIRC?
[17:23] <belkinsa>  webrtc*
[17:23] <paultag> Nope.
[17:23] <paultag> It's a standard that browsers implement
[17:23] <belkinsa> Okay.
[17:24] <paultag> works fine here on unmodified Debian
[17:24] <paultag> with chrome
[17:24] <belkinsa> Doesn't work on Ubuntu 13.10 and Firefox 26
[17:24] <paultag> I really don't think that's true
[17:25] <paultag> I have FF 24 and it's working fine
[17:25] <belkinsa> Well, it works my tablet
[17:31] <belkinsa> Okay, it seems to be working my tablet, but let me try to reboot my computer and see if that fixes it.
[17:35] <belkinsa> Nope, still freezing up firefox...
[17:35] <paultag> did you allow it to use your webcam?
[17:36] <belkinsa> It doesn't take me to that.  It does on the tablet and Firefox on it.
[17:36] <paultag> did you let it hang out?
[17:36] <belkinsa> On sec
[17:37] <belkinsa> Perhaps  I don't have enough power for it on my netbook
[17:39] <belkinsa> This what happens: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bc_fFhgCIAABwHZ.png
[17:40] <belkinsa> It just freezes up
[17:40] <belkinsa> But what, I'm willing to use my tablet for it and my netbook for IRC if we do Ubuntu Hours this way.
[19:14] <gilbert> paultag: i get a kernel panic when using init=/usr/bin/systemd.  it say NEW_ROOT must be a mount point.  any ideas or pointers to docs that may help me?
[19:22] <gilbert> btw, which tool should i be using to read the binary log files that systemd has touched?
[19:32] <paultag> gilbert: I'm not sure, I've never had to debug that yet, and it talks with syslog-ng, so I just read the text file, but I can imagine it's not brought up yet
[19:32] <paultag> gilbert: I know there's a fancy log viewer thing
[19:32] <paultag> gilbert: also that NEW_ROOT thing, I feel like I know of where that comes from
[19:33] <paultag> gilbert: is udev up to date?
[19:37] <gilbert> libudev1 is 204-6
[19:37] <gilbert> same for the other udev packages
[19:39] <gilbert> was using plain syslog
[19:40] <paultag> hurm
[19:40] <paultag> gilbert: #debian-systemd might know something
[19:40] <paultag> i just joined, I'll watch :>
[19:41] <gilbert> going to test on real hw first.  been testing in a vm so far.
[19:41] <paultag> w0rd
[19:49] <gilbert> same thing on real hw :(
[19:49] <Unit193> gilbert: \o
[19:50] <gilbert> oh, there is no /usr/bin/systemd on my system
[19:52] <paultag> oh doh
[19:52] <paultag> is it just /bin ?
[19:52] <gilbert> yes
[19:52] <gilbert> ;)
[19:52] <paultag> doh
[19:52] <paultag> duh
[19:54] <gilbert> awesome!  systemd is pid 1 :) :) :)
[19:54] <paultag> :D
[19:54] <gilbert> thanks for the bad advice paultag ;)
[19:55] <paultag> gilbert: no problem, it's what I'm here for
[19:56] <Unit193> I thought that was my job, bad advice and half-baked packages.
[21:48] <Unit193> paultag: You don't many QA uploads?
[21:48] <paultag> nosir
[21:49] <paultag> but I have sponsored a few
[21:50] <Unit193> Hrm, alright.
[21:51] <belkinsa> paultag, I tested chatb.org with someone and we be liked it.
[21:51] <paultag> :D
[21:51] <paultag> I love it
[21:51] <paultag> I need to set it up at pault.ag somewhere.
[21:51] <belkinsa> You can have more than two, right?
[21:52] <paultag> of course
[21:53] <belkinsa> Thanks, someone was wondering this in #ubuntu-locoteams
[21:54] <paultag> ah yes, -locoteams
[21:56] <Unit193> Dowh, my browser doesn't support it. :/
[21:57] <belkinsa> Can you try with your smart device?
[21:57] <Unit193> What smart device?
[21:57] <belkinsa> Phone or Tablet.
[21:57] <belkinsa> If you have one.
[21:57] <Unit193> Yes, what device?  I have none.  I just opened firefox, done.
[21:58] <belkinsa> And it's asking your to share your webcam and mic?
[21:58] <belkinsa> One minute, let me get it going on my tablet
[21:58] <Unit193> Already closed it, but it actually got to the interface so I saw what I needed.
[21:59] <belkinsa> Okay
[22:01] <jrgifford> belkinsa: want me to join it?
[22:01] <belkinsa> Sure.
[22:02] <belkinsa> Make sure you have good connection for video
[22:02] <jrgifford> #ubuntu-us-oh, right?
[22:02] <belkinsa> Yes.
[22:02] <jrgifford> looks fairly complete
[22:02] <jrgifford> i might start using this for hanging out with friends
[22:03] <belkinsa> I once used Tinychat and TeamSpeak3.
[22:03] <jrgifford> We use TS3 at work, i don't care for it that much..
[22:03] <jrgifford> it's not bad, but not great
[22:03] <belkinsa> Yeah, I played Traveller over it
[22:07] <belkinsa> Is it me or you are not there.
[22:09] <jrgifford> i'm there now
[22:09] <jrgifford> are you there?
[22:09] <belkinsa> Yeah, problems though.
[22:10] <belkinsa> One sec
[22:10] <jrgifford> ok
[22:11] <belkinsa> I think AdBlock plus plug in doesn't work well on the firefox tablet
[22:12] <belkinsa> Okay, I give.  See me?
[22:13] <jrgifford> nope
[22:13] <belkinsa> Strange.
[22:13] <jrgifford> and i've got to go shovel snow
[22:13] <jrgifford> so back later. :(
[22:13] <belkinsa> Okay