| bduk1 | Good morning and happy new year to everyone | 05:56 |
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| superfly | morning. anyone else running kitkat yet? | 06:19 |
| Kilos | morning superfly and others | 06:32 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 06:36 |
| Kilos | hi bduk werk jy? | 06:44 |
| bduk | Ja Kilos ons arm mense moet mar werk. | 07:02 |
| Kilos | lol | 07:03 |
| Kilos | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 07:04 |
| Kilos | and Rynomster | 07:04 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | morning :) | 07:04 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | happy 2014, etc. etc. | 07:04 |
| bduk | Hope all you guys and galls have a verry good 2014 | 07:05 |
| Kilos | ty same there | 07:06 |
| Kilos | hi Gotango Xethron | 07:25 |
| * Kilos takes sheep to lands, wbb | 07:26 | |
| Gotango | Hi Kilos | 07:27 |
| plustwo | compliments of the new sean everyone | 07:31 |
| plustwo | ^season | 07:32 |
| Kilos | hi plustwo ty same there | 07:33 |
| plustwo | hi Oom, you well? | 07:33 |
| Kilos | yes ty and you? | 07:34 |
| Kilos | you never come say hi anymore | 07:34 |
| plustwo | i'm good tnx. | 07:34 |
| Gotango | hi plustwo | 07:34 |
| Gotango | Happy new year guys | 07:34 |
| plustwo | Gotango: how do you do? | 07:35 |
| Gotango | Good ty and how is you plustwo | 07:35 |
| plustwo | i'm very cool, tnx | 07:36 |
| Gotango | Thats always good to hear :) | 07:36 |
| Kilos | plustwo, Gotango is almost an ubuntero | 07:37 |
| plustwo | wow! that's good news Kilos | 07:37 |
| plustwo | as of when? | 07:37 |
| Kilos | yip. i smile everytime we get a new one | 07:38 |
| Kilos | dvd on its way | 07:38 |
| plustwo | :) | 07:38 |
| Gotango | lol , i hope so | 07:38 |
| Gotango | Kilos is a great teacher and greeter :) | 07:38 |
| plustwo | couldn't agree better Gotango :) | 07:39 |
| * plustwo had a short rest time | 07:40 | |
| Kilos | plustwo, kick the pro and tell him wake up | 07:42 |
| Vince-0 | ! | 07:42 |
| Kilos | ! | 07:42 |
| plustwo | :) last time i heard from him, he was somewhere in kzn | 07:43 |
| Kilos | the swine didnt even tell us | 07:43 |
| Kilos | sneak | 07:43 |
| plustwo | :) | 07:44 |
| Gotango | Kilos i read on the web some ones pc that have the same specs as mine. The cpu when running 12.04 in unity 2D ran at 20% the whole time at idle too. The fan blew hard. I know 12.04 will just work on my pc , but the performance unity ask seems alot windows 7 uses 0% cpu at idle | 07:48 |
| Kilos | no man the guys will help you sort it | 07:49 |
| Kilos | i used to run something that monitors my use but dont even bother anymore | 07:50 |
| Gotango | Can i get Gnome UI in 12.04 | 07:50 |
| Kilos | and have 12.04 running on a dual core and single core | 07:51 |
| Kilos | you can get anything you like | 07:51 |
| Gotango | I got dual core | 07:51 |
| Gotango | Okay cool | 07:51 |
| Kilos | there is a thing called mate that installs and runs much faster | 07:51 |
| Kilos | but its a bit more data use | 07:52 |
| Kilos | i didnt think of it or could have added mate on the dvd | 07:52 |
| Kilos | mate uses gnome2 if i remember right | 07:52 |
| Gotango | A Xubuntu like interface will be fine for me | 07:53 |
| Kilos | i dont like xubuntu | 07:53 |
| Gotango | oh okay | 07:53 |
| Kilos | mate is fast | 07:53 |
| Gotango | Is mate another UI on top of ubuntu | 07:54 |
| Kilos | it comes from mint | 07:55 |
| Gotango | Okay i see thanks | 07:55 |
| Kilos | but try unity first and see | 07:55 |
| Kilos | i used mate for a while then decided to give unity a fair trial and got to enjoy it | 07:56 |
| Gotango | Yeah i will try Unity in its minimalist version, tweak it so it use less resources and stuff | 07:57 |
| Kilos | 20% is nothing man | 07:57 |
| Gotango | Its alot for me, my lappies fan starts blowing hard at that number | 07:58 |
| Kilos | you will see, using swap makes things faster | 07:58 |
| Gotango | You mean Ram swap | 07:59 |
| Kilos | there are lots of links to speed things up too if i remember right | 07:59 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | wait, what? | 07:59 |
| Kilos | ya | 07:59 |
| Kilos | tell him ThatGraemeGuy | 07:59 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you never want to be swapping, that's terrible for performance | 07:59 |
| Kilos | i thought swap is like a storage place for running stuff thats nbot urgent | 08:00 |
| Kilos | so ram concentrates on the immediate needs | 08:01 |
| Gotango | I dont use much programs when i'm making web apps. At most 6 running at the same time | 08:01 |
| Gotango | So swap wont be such a big issue | 08:01 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | slightly true, but swap usage should be minimal in general | 08:01 |
| Kilos | it works automatically | 08:02 |
| Kilos | let ubuntu decide for you | 08:02 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | in a terminal run "free -m" and you can tell from there whether you have enough ram | 08:02 |
| Kilos | lemme see | 08:02 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | if you need more, get more. don't rely on swap to make up for ram shortfall | 08:02 |
| Gotango | Okay good | 08:03 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | disks are an order of magnitude slower than ram | 08:03 |
| Gotango | Sadly i cant get more Ram, only a rocket scientist can open this lappy lol | 08:03 |
| Kilos | total used free shared buffers cached | 08:04 |
| Kilos | Mem: 1475 1379 96 0 55 745 | 08:04 |
| Kilos | -/+ buffers/cache: 578 896 | 08:04 |
| Kilos | Swap: 4761 0 4761 | 08:04 |
| Kilos | what does that tell you ThatGraemeGuy | 08:04 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | Gotango: what model is it? they usually have a little panel that you can access the ram slots via | 08:04 |
| Gotango | but another 1GB will be pretty helpful | 08:04 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: looks good | 08:05 |
| Kilos | yay | 08:05 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | if free+cache is very low you have a problem | 08:05 |
| Kilos | ah | 08:06 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | 1379 "used" also includes the amount allocated to buffers and cache | 08:06 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | if apps need memory, kernel will happily un-cache stuff from ram | 08:06 |
| Gotango | ThatGraemeGuy its a 2009 Compaq laptop | 08:07 |
| Gotango | Cant see a ram slot anywhere | 08:07 |
| Kilos | thats what i say Gotango let ubuntu decide what to use and then see | 08:07 |
| Kilos | underneath is normally the ram cover | 08:07 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ow, that sucks | 08:08 |
| Kilos | hasnt that lappy got a ram cover? | 08:08 |
| Gotango | Nope i can only remove the battery and HD | 08:08 |
| Kilos | ouch | 08:09 |
| Kilos | what make is it lemme google | 08:10 |
| Gotango | Its got minority report year 3000 screws in i never saw such screws lol | 08:10 |
| Gotango | Nothing in my electrician case is able to tackle that | 08:11 |
| Kilos | ya they terrible things to open with all the screws and plastic clip in places | 08:11 |
| Kilos | jewelers screwdrivers | 08:11 |
| Gotango | A Compaq 615 | 08:11 |
| Gotango | lol :D | 08:12 |
| Gotango | A desktop pc will be better , but with the power going off here at unpredictable times. I cant afford a UPS now , maybe in future | 08:14 |
| Kilos | i have power off probs too | 08:14 |
| Kilos | luckily ext4 handles it well | 08:14 |
| Gotango | I can imagine where you live its a problem | 08:15 |
| Gotango | thats good | 08:15 |
| Kilos | cant find where it is but that lappy is upgradable to 8g ram looks like | 08:17 |
| Kilos | http://is.gd/Wba4tz | 08:18 |
| Kilos | they want you to take it to hp peeps looks like | 08:18 |
| Gotango | Yeah , but only qualified people can do anything physicaly technical to this lappy lol. Strange its not the case with most other laptop makers | 08:20 |
| Gotango | Its a good one though , has worked 4 years 15 hours a day. Parts still works perfectly | 08:22 |
| Kilos | hp make quality normally | 08:23 |
| Kilos | http://www.crucial.com/upgrade/HP+-+Compaq-memory/Compaq+Series/Compaq+615-upgrades.html | 08:23 |
| Kilos | there is a video on how to install ram | 08:23 |
| Kilos | but vids eat data | 08:23 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | I have an hp i bought in april 2008 | 08:23 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | been dropped countless times, 2 water spills and even a cup of coffee | 08:24 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | still alive and kicking | 08:24 |
| Kilos | lol | 08:24 |
| Kilos | they make good stuff | 08:24 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | the cup of coffee necessitated a keyboard replacement though | 08:24 |
| Gotango | lol ThatGraemeGuy | 08:24 |
| Kilos | ThatGraemeGuy, look at that link please | 08:25 |
| Gotango | Thanks Kilos will check and see if i can find a way to reach the ram port and get another 1GB in there hopefully | 08:25 |
| Kilos | on the left is installing memory | 08:25 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | oh cool, thats useful | 08:26 |
| Kilos | it will work with 1g but 2 will be much better | 08:26 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | oh, that video is a dell | 08:27 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | lol | 08:27 |
| Kilos | ai! | 08:28 |
| Kilos | maybe the dell is the same, thats a hp link | 08:29 |
| Gotango | Hmm | 08:30 |
| Gotango | I see R200 for 1Gb Ram . Will any laptop ram module work on all models | 08:32 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | no | 08:33 |
| Gotango | That sucks | 08:33 |
| Kilos | they clash | 08:33 |
| Kilos | i have the same prob on my desktop | 08:34 |
| Kilos | gotta be same make | 08:34 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/productbulletin.html#spectype=worldwide&type=html&docid=13302 | 08:35 |
| Gotango | oh well i dont need alot of ram for now. When i get a new pc i will make sure theres atleast 4GB in it | 08:35 |
| Kilos | lemme try my single core pc with 1g ram | 08:35 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you need DDR2 667MHz or DDR2 800MHz | 08:35 |
| Gotango | Aah thanks ThatGraemeGuy, DDR2 vs DDR3 :) | 08:36 |
| Kilos | 12.04 works ok on 1g ram | 08:38 |
| Kilos | and lappies are normally a bit faster than desktops | 08:38 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | um no | 08:38 |
| Gotango | Thanks Kilos , how does the cpu handle it | 08:39 |
| Gotango | percentage wise | 08:39 |
| Kilos | fine | 08:39 |
| Kilos | just a bit slower then 1.5g | 08:39 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: performance is down to hardware specs, it has nothing to do with form factor | 08:39 |
| Kilos | i dont understand ThatGraemeGuy | 08:40 |
| Gotango | Aah then the dual core will help a bit | 08:40 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | <Kilos> and lappies are normally a bit faster than desktops | 08:40 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | that is just a silly claim to make | 08:40 |
| Kilos | oh i said that because my sons slower lappy worked faster than his desktop | 08:40 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | that has to do with the hardware, not the fact that its a laptop | 08:41 |
| Kilos | oh i see what you say | 08:41 |
| Kilos | well lappy has everything internal not addon modules | 08:42 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | it doesn't matter | 08:42 |
| Gotango | Kilos are you sure the remastersys dvd will install the same as a regular installer disc. Since its based on a OS thats already installed | 08:43 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | don't make generalised statements like that, there are too many factors that just make the statement plain wrong | 08:43 |
| Kilos | yessir | 08:43 |
| Gotango | Okay thanks | 08:43 |
| Kilos | i have installed a few times with remastersys dvds | 08:43 |
| Gotango | Nice, i will like a dual boot at first with windows and ubuntu | 08:44 |
| Kilos | i dunno how long postage takes. i think about a week | 08:45 |
| Gotango | No worries , i waited 2 weeks for a parcel to arrive from portugal | 08:45 |
| Kilos | ThatGraemeGuy, is there a command to check cpu usage | 08:45 |
| Gotango | So this will be quicker | 08:45 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | top | 08:45 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | http://ubuntu-for-humans.blogspot.com/2009/12/how-to-use-top-and-htop-commands-to.html | 08:46 |
| Kilos | ai! | 09:10 |
| Kilos | stupid modem timed out again | 09:11 |
| Gotango | wb Kilos | 09:12 |
| Kilos | ty | 09:12 |
| Gotango | yw | 09:14 |
| Kilos | save this link Gotango | 09:15 |
| Kilos | http://sms.postoffice.co.za/TrackingParcels/ | 09:16 |
| Kilos | its at tswane hub now | 09:16 |
| Gotango | Yep, i already got it on my browser speeddial Kilos. Saw it there earlier | 09:17 |
| Gotango | Thanks | 09:17 |
| Gotango | What kind of software did you include on the dvd | 09:18 |
| Kilos | ai! | 09:55 |
| Kilos | one of them modem days | 09:56 |
| Gotango | Kilos is pppconfig enough to connect a usb modem | 10:21 |
| Kilos | the software should be automatically installed | 10:21 |
| Kilos | network manager | 10:22 |
| Gotango | Not my usb stick got stock windows software | 10:22 |
| Kilos | i hope it sees your modem | 10:22 |
| Kilos | i had some probs with a foreign modem | 10:22 |
| Kilos | ubuntu doesnt install the modem | 10:23 |
| Kilos | you plug it in and network manager should see it | 10:23 |
| Gotango | I will google a bit and see if it will work | 10:23 |
| Gotango | Thats good | 10:23 |
| Kilos | there is also sakis3g that works when nothing else does | 10:24 |
| Kilos | 12.04 had some probs with auto enable connecting but i have a script that fixes it | 10:25 |
| Gotango | I will try that if network manager dont see my modem, and this aswell http://askubuntu.com/questions/179324/huawei-e173-on-ubuntu-12-04 | 10:27 |
| Kilos | but not all modems give probs | 10:27 |
| Gotango | Yip , will have to see what happens :0 | 10:27 |
| Gotango | :) | 10:27 |
| Kilos | hehe | 10:28 |
| Gotango | lol 0 and ) are on the same key | 10:28 |
| Kilos | is that e173 before the e220 | 10:28 |
| Gotango | Not sure what model number modem i got , i just typed " Kanguru modem ubuntu 12.04" | 10:30 |
| Kilos | stop worrying man. we will sort the probs if and when they arise | 10:30 |
| Gotango | But the help should work if i ever need it | 10:30 |
| Gotango | lol atleast i want an internet connection on ubuntu before problems arise | 10:31 |
| Kilos | the dvd will see it | 10:32 |
| Gotango | I hope so :) | 10:33 |
| Kilos | just dont let the install try upgrade while installing | 10:33 |
| Kilos | i install without connecting online | 10:33 |
| Gotango | No i dont want to connect to the internet when it installs | 10:34 |
| Kilos | good | 10:34 |
| Gotango | Will it show options to disable that | 10:35 |
| Kilos | when you start the install there is a place to tick but usb modem dont work till you go the new mobile connection route with network manager | 10:36 |
| Kilos | so only do that after reboot | 10:37 |
| Gotango | Thats good. Yeah i saw that mobile broadband connection thing on a forum | 10:37 |
| Gotango | So i will get the connection up after install and reboot. Hopefully it works as expected | 10:38 |
| Kilos | it shows nicely in that link you put here | 10:38 |
| Kilos | if you install reboot then plug it in the new mobile broadband connection should throw a popup window | 10:40 |
| Gotango | great! will double cross those bridges when i get there | 10:41 |
| Kilos | or even leave it plugged in while installing but dont enter the broadband info to connect then it should see it while doing hardware check | 10:41 |
| Gotango | It sounds best to have it in while ubuntu is installing | 10:41 |
| Kilos | there now i should stay online | 10:55 |
| Kilos | changed modems | 10:55 |
| Gotango | wb | 10:55 |
| Gotango | thats good | 10:55 |
| Kilos | e220 got some timeout prob | 10:55 |
| Gotango | I dont think i got that one. Mine never times out. Atleast when i keep the ip blank | 10:56 |
| Kilos | no its this old maodem | 10:57 |
| Kilos | modem | 10:57 |
| Kilos | even timesout on win7 | 10:57 |
| Gotango | oh okay | 10:58 |
| Kilos | some internal thing i think | 10:58 |
| Kilos | one day ill get a new modem | 10:59 |
| Gotango | yeah maybe, a hardware or software issue | 10:59 |
| Kilos | first saving for modern motherboard and cpu | 10:59 |
| Kilos | cpus cost a fortune | 10:59 |
| Gotango | yeah , i used to dream of having a intel core i7 back in 2007 | 11:01 |
| Gotango | but too expensive at that time | 11:01 |
| Kilos | i7 still are expensive | 11:02 |
| Gotango | Yes true | 11:02 |
| Kilos | 3 to 3.5 grand | 11:03 |
| Kilos | even an i3 is R1159 | 11:04 |
| Gotango | One can always overclock a lower range cpu, but does'nt sound like a good idea | 11:05 |
| Kilos | i think for basic stuff an i3 with 4g ram is fine | 11:06 |
| Kilos | only serious gamers that need more i think | 11:07 |
| Gotango | Yeah those specs will do fine for todays games too , but at lower graphics settings | 11:07 |
| Kilos | i dunno all the ins and outs. im a hardware type | 11:08 |
| Kilos | what you cant fix with a hammer isnt worth fixing | 11:09 |
| Gotango | I play an online highscore game called Tricky truck all the time and have to set the 3D settings to no shaders, but then again my lappy specs are bad | 11:09 |
| Gotango | lol true :) | 11:09 |
| Gotango | They should make a place where people can smash old pc's and appliances with hammers, will make tons of money lol | 11:10 |
| Kilos | lol | 11:11 |
| Kilos | i collect old pcs others throw away | 11:12 |
| Gotango | You can make like google and connect all of them u into a super pc :) | 11:12 |
| Kilos | i dunno how to do that | 11:13 |
| Kilos | but this dual core works kiff | 11:14 |
| Gotango | There are special software needed to make that happen i think, plus cables | 11:14 |
| Gotango | yeah the more cores the better | 11:15 |
| Kilos | i dunno why they dont use xbox and ps3 cpus | 11:16 |
| Kilos | they got like 8 cores i think | 11:16 |
| Kilos | but nowhere to add ram | 11:16 |
| Gotango | true , maybe too expensive to produce | 11:19 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 15:17 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 15:17 | |
| Kilos | Maaz, hurry | 15:20 |
| Maaz | Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed | 15:20 |
| Kilos | superfly, what doing? | 15:21 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 15:21 |
| Kilos | Maaz, ty | 15:21 |
| Maaz | You are welcome Kilos | 15:21 |
| Kilos | lag here today | 15:21 |
| Kilos | ! | 16:40 |
| Vince-0 | Sup | 17:31 |
| Kilos | whew | 18:40 |
| Kilos | maybe an early night might bring more peeps here tomorrow | 18:41 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 18:41 |
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