[05:56] <bduk1> Good morning and happy new year to everyone 
[06:19] <superfly> morning. anyone else running kitkat yet?
[06:32] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:36] <superfly> hi Kilos 
[06:44] <Kilos> hi bduk werk jy?
[07:02] <bduk> Ja Kilos  ons arm mense moet mar werk.
[07:03] <Kilos> lol
[07:04] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:04] <Kilos> and Rynomster 
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning :)
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> happy 2014, etc. etc.
[07:05] <bduk> Hope all you guys and galls have a verry good 2014
[07:06] <Kilos> ty same there
[07:25] <Kilos> hi Gotango Xethron 
[07:26]  * Kilos takes sheep to lands, wbb
[07:27] <Gotango> Hi Kilos
[07:31] <plustwo> compliments of the new sean everyone
[07:32] <plustwo> ^season
[07:33] <Kilos> hi plustwo ty same there
[07:33] <plustwo> hi Oom, you well?
[07:34] <Kilos> yes ty and you?
[07:34] <Kilos> you never come say hi anymore
[07:34] <plustwo> i'm good tnx.
[07:34] <Gotango> hi plustwo
[07:34] <Gotango> Happy new year guys
[07:35] <plustwo> Gotango: how do you do?
[07:35] <Gotango> Good ty and how is you plustwo
[07:36] <plustwo> i'm very cool, tnx
[07:36] <Gotango> Thats always good to hear :)
[07:37] <Kilos> plustwo, Gotango is almost an ubuntero
[07:37] <plustwo> wow! that's good news Kilos
[07:37] <plustwo> as of when?
[07:38] <Kilos> yip. i smile everytime we get a new one
[07:38] <Kilos> dvd on its way
[07:38] <plustwo> :)
[07:38] <Gotango> lol , i hope so
[07:38] <Gotango> Kilos is a great teacher and greeter :)
[07:39] <plustwo> couldn't agree better Gotango :)
[07:40]  * plustwo had a short rest time
[07:42] <Kilos> plustwo, kick the pro and tell him wake up
[07:42] <Vince-0> !
[07:42] <Kilos> !
[07:43] <plustwo> :) last time i heard from him, he was somewhere in kzn
[07:43] <Kilos> the swine didnt even tell us
[07:43] <Kilos> sneak
[07:44] <plustwo> :)
[07:48] <Gotango> Kilos i read on the web some ones pc that have the same specs as mine. The cpu when running 12.04 in unity 2D ran at 20% the whole time at idle too. The fan blew hard. I know 12.04 will just work on my pc , but the performance unity ask seems alot windows 7 uses 0% cpu at idle
[07:49] <Kilos> no man the guys will help you sort it
[07:50] <Kilos> i used to run something that monitors my use but dont even bother anymore
[07:50] <Gotango> Can i get Gnome UI in 12.04
[07:51] <Kilos> and have 12.04 running on a dual core and single core
[07:51] <Kilos> you can get anything you like
[07:51] <Gotango> I got  dual core 
[07:51] <Gotango> Okay cool
[07:51] <Kilos> there is a thing called mate that installs and runs much faster
[07:52] <Kilos> but its a bit more data use
[07:52] <Kilos> i didnt think of it or could have added mate on the dvd
[07:52] <Kilos> mate uses gnome2 if i remember right
[07:53] <Gotango> A Xubuntu like interface will be fine for me
[07:53] <Kilos> i dont like xubuntu
[07:53] <Gotango> oh okay
[07:53] <Kilos> mate is fast
[07:54] <Gotango> Is mate another UI on top of ubuntu
[07:55] <Kilos> it comes from mint
[07:55] <Gotango> Okay i see thanks
[07:55] <Kilos> but try unity first and see
[07:56] <Kilos> i used mate for a while then decided to give unity a fair trial and got to enjoy it
[07:57] <Gotango> Yeah i will try Unity in its minimalist version, tweak it so it use less resources and stuff
[07:57] <Kilos> 20% is nothing man
[07:58] <Gotango> Its alot for me, my lappies fan starts blowing hard at that number
[07:58] <Kilos> you will see, using swap makes things faster
[07:59] <Gotango> You mean Ram swap
[07:59] <Kilos> there are lots of links to speed things up too if i remember right
[07:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> wait, what?
[07:59] <Kilos> ya
[07:59] <Kilos> tell him ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> you never want to be swapping, that's terrible for performance
[08:00] <Kilos> i thought swap is like a storage place for running stuff thats nbot urgent
[08:01] <Kilos> so ram concentrates on the immediate needs
[08:01] <Gotango> I dont use much programs when i'm making web apps. At most 6 running at the same time
[08:01] <Gotango> So swap wont be such a big issue
[08:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> slightly true, but swap usage should be minimal in general
[08:02] <Kilos> it works automatically
[08:02] <Kilos> let ubuntu decide for you
[08:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> in a terminal run "free -m" and you can tell from there whether you have enough ram
[08:02] <Kilos> lemme see
[08:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you need more, get more. don't rely on swap to make up for ram shortfall
[08:03] <Gotango> Okay good
[08:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> disks are an order of magnitude slower than ram
[08:03] <Gotango> Sadly i cant get more Ram, only a rocket scientist can open this lappy lol
[08:04] <Kilos>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[08:04] <Kilos> Mem:          1475       1379         96          0         55        745
[08:04] <Kilos> -/+ buffers/cache:        578        896
[08:04] <Kilos> Swap:         4761          0       4761
[08:04] <Kilos> what does that tell you ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> Gotango:  what model is it? they usually have a little panel that you can access the ram slots via
[08:04] <Gotango> but another 1GB will be pretty helpful
[08:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: looks good
[08:05] <Kilos> yay
[08:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> if free+cache is very low you have a problem
[08:06] <Kilos> ah
[08:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> 1379 "used" also includes the amount allocated to buffers and cache
[08:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> if apps need memory, kernel will happily un-cache stuff from ram
[08:07] <Gotango> ThatGraemeGuy its a 2009 Compaq laptop
[08:07] <Gotango> Cant see a ram slot anywhere
[08:07] <Kilos> thats what i say Gotango let ubuntu decide what to use and then see
[08:07] <Kilos> underneath is normally the ram cover
[08:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> ow, that sucks
[08:08] <Kilos> hasnt that lappy got a ram cover?
[08:08] <Gotango> Nope i can only remove the battery and HD
[08:09] <Kilos> ouch
[08:10] <Kilos> what make is it lemme google
[08:10] <Gotango> Its got minority report year 3000 screws in i never saw such screws lol
[08:11] <Gotango> Nothing in my electrician case is able to tackle that
[08:11] <Kilos> ya they terrible things to open with all the screws and plastic clip in places
[08:11] <Kilos> jewelers screwdrivers
[08:11] <Gotango> A Compaq 615
[08:12] <Gotango> lol :D
[08:14] <Gotango> A desktop pc will be better , but with the power going off here at unpredictable times. I cant afford a UPS now , maybe in future
[08:14] <Kilos> i have power off probs too
[08:14] <Kilos> luckily ext4 handles it well
[08:15] <Gotango> I can imagine where you live its a problem
[08:15] <Gotango> thats good
[08:17] <Kilos> cant find where it is but that lappy is upgradable to 8g ram looks like
[08:18] <Kilos> http://is.gd/Wba4tz
[08:18] <Kilos> they want you to take it to hp peeps looks like
[08:20] <Gotango> Yeah , but only qualified people can do anything physicaly technical to this lappy lol. Strange its not the case with most other laptop makers
[08:22] <Gotango> Its a good one though , has worked 4 years 15 hours a day. Parts still works perfectly
[08:23] <Kilos> hp make quality normally
[08:23] <Kilos> http://www.crucial.com/upgrade/HP+-+Compaq-memory/Compaq+Series/Compaq+615-upgrades.html
[08:23] <Kilos> there is a video on how to install ram
[08:23] <Kilos> but vids eat data
[08:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> I have an hp i bought in april 2008
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> been dropped countless times, 2 water spills and even a cup of coffee
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> still alive and kicking
[08:24] <Kilos> lol
[08:24] <Kilos> they make good stuff
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> the cup of coffee necessitated a keyboard replacement though
[08:24] <Gotango> lol ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:25] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, look at that link please
[08:25] <Gotango> Thanks Kilos will check and see if i can find a way to reach the ram port and get another 1GB in there hopefully
[08:25] <Kilos> on the left is installing memory
[08:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh cool, thats useful
[08:26] <Kilos> it will work with 1g but 2 will be much better
[08:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh, that video is a dell
[08:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[08:28] <Kilos> ai!
[08:29] <Kilos> maybe the dell is the same, thats a hp link
[08:30] <Gotango> Hmm
[08:32] <Gotango> I see R200 for 1Gb Ram . Will any laptop ram module work on all models
[08:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[08:33] <Gotango> That sucks
[08:33] <Kilos> they clash
[08:34] <Kilos> i have the same prob on my desktop
[08:34] <Kilos> gotta be same make
[08:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/productbulletin.html#spectype=worldwide&type=html&docid=13302
[08:35] <Gotango> oh well i dont need alot of ram for now. When i get a new pc i will make sure theres atleast 4GB in it
[08:35] <Kilos> lemme try my single core pc with 1g ram
[08:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> you need DDR2 667MHz or DDR2 800MHz
[08:36] <Gotango> Aah thanks ThatGraemeGuy, DDR2 vs DDR3 :)
[08:38] <Kilos> 12.04 works ok on 1g ram
[08:38] <Kilos> and lappies are normally a bit faster than desktops
[08:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> um no
[08:39] <Gotango> Thanks Kilos , how does the cpu handle it
[08:39] <Gotango> percentage wise
[08:39] <Kilos> fine
[08:39] <Kilos> just a bit slower then 1.5g
[08:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: performance is down to hardware specs, it has nothing to do with form factor
[08:40] <Kilos> i dont understand ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:40] <Gotango> Aah then the dual core will help a bit
 and lappies are normally a bit faster than desktops
[08:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> that is just a silly claim to make
[08:40] <Kilos> oh i said that because my sons slower lappy worked faster than his desktop
[08:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> that has to do with the hardware, not the fact that its a laptop
[08:41] <Kilos> oh i see what you say
[08:42] <Kilos> well lappy has everything internal not addon modules
[08:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> it doesn't matter
[08:43] <Gotango> Kilos are you sure the remastersys dvd will install the same as a regular installer disc. Since its based on a OS thats already installed
[08:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't make generalised statements like that, there are too many factors that just make the statement plain wrong
[08:43] <Kilos> yessir
[08:43] <Gotango> Okay thanks
[08:43] <Kilos> i have installed a few times with remastersys dvds
[08:44] <Gotango> Nice, i will like a dual boot at first with windows and ubuntu
[08:45] <Kilos> i dunno how long postage takes. i think about a week
[08:45] <Gotango> No worries , i waited 2 weeks for a parcel to arrive from portugal
[08:45] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, is there a command to check cpu usage
[08:45] <Gotango> So this will be quicker
[08:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> top
[08:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://ubuntu-for-humans.blogspot.com/2009/12/how-to-use-top-and-htop-commands-to.html
[09:10] <Kilos> ai!
[09:11] <Kilos> stupid modem timed out again
[09:12] <Gotango> wb Kilos
[09:12] <Kilos> ty
[09:14] <Gotango> yw
[09:15] <Kilos> save this link Gotango 
[09:16] <Kilos> http://sms.postoffice.co.za/TrackingParcels/
[09:16] <Kilos> its at tswane hub now
[09:17] <Gotango> Yep, i already got it on my browser speeddial Kilos. Saw it there earlier
[09:17] <Gotango> Thanks
[09:18] <Gotango> What kind of software did you include on the dvd
[09:55] <Kilos> ai!
[09:56] <Kilos> one of them modem days
[10:21] <Gotango> Kilos is pppconfig enough to connect a usb modem 
[10:21] <Kilos> the software should be automatically installed
[10:22] <Kilos> network manager
[10:22] <Gotango> Not my usb stick got stock windows software
[10:22] <Kilos> i hope it sees your modem
[10:22] <Kilos> i had some probs with a foreign modem
[10:23] <Kilos> ubuntu doesnt install the modem
[10:23] <Kilos> you plug it in and network manager should see it
[10:23] <Gotango> I will google a bit and see if it will work
[10:23] <Gotango> Thats good
[10:24] <Kilos> there is also sakis3g that works when nothing else does
[10:25] <Kilos> 12.04 had some probs with auto enable connecting but i have a script that fixes it
[10:27] <Gotango> I will try that if network manager dont see my modem, and this aswell http://askubuntu.com/questions/179324/huawei-e173-on-ubuntu-12-04
[10:27] <Kilos> but not all modems give probs
[10:27] <Gotango> Yip , will have to see what happens :0
[10:27] <Gotango> :)
[10:28] <Kilos> hehe
[10:28] <Gotango> lol 0 and ) are on the same key 
[10:28] <Kilos> is that e173 before the e220
[10:30] <Gotango> Not sure what model number modem i got , i just typed " Kanguru modem ubuntu 12.04" 
[10:30] <Kilos> stop worrying man. we will sort the probs if and when they arise
[10:30] <Gotango> But the help should work if i ever need it
[10:31] <Gotango> lol atleast i want an internet connection on ubuntu before problems arise
[10:32] <Kilos> the dvd will see it
[10:33] <Gotango> I hope so :)
[10:33] <Kilos> just dont let the install try upgrade while installing
[10:33] <Kilos> i install without connecting online
[10:34] <Gotango> No i dont want to connect to the internet when it installs
[10:34] <Kilos> good
[10:35] <Gotango> Will it show options to disable that
[10:36] <Kilos> when you start the install there is a place to tick but usb modem dont work till you go the new mobile connection route with network manager
[10:37] <Kilos> so only do that after reboot
[10:37] <Gotango> Thats good. Yeah i saw that mobile broadband connection thing on a forum
[10:38] <Gotango> So i will get the connection up after install and reboot. Hopefully it works as expected
[10:38] <Kilos> it shows nicely in that link you put here
[10:40] <Kilos> if you install reboot then plug it in the new mobile broadband connection should throw a popup window
[10:41] <Gotango> great! will double cross those bridges when i get there
[10:41] <Kilos> or even leave it plugged in while installing but dont enter the broadband info to connect then it should see it while doing hardware check
[10:41] <Gotango> It sounds best to have it in while ubuntu is installing
[10:55] <Kilos> there now i should stay online
[10:55] <Kilos> changed modems
[10:55] <Gotango> wb
[10:55] <Gotango> thats good
[10:55] <Kilos> e220 got some timeout prob
[10:56] <Gotango> I dont think i got that one. Mine never times out. Atleast when i keep the ip blank
[10:57] <Kilos> no its this old maodem
[10:57] <Kilos> modem
[10:57] <Kilos> even timesout on win7
[10:58] <Gotango> oh okay
[10:58] <Kilos> some internal thing i think
[10:59] <Kilos> one day ill get a new modem
[10:59] <Gotango> yeah maybe, a hardware or software issue
[10:59] <Kilos> first saving for modern motherboard and cpu
[10:59] <Kilos> cpus cost a fortune
[11:01] <Gotango> yeah , i used to dream of having a intel core i7 back in 2007
[11:01] <Gotango> but too expensive at that time
[11:02] <Kilos> i7 still are expensive
[11:02] <Gotango> Yes true
[11:03] <Kilos> 3 to 3.5 grand
[11:04] <Kilos> even an i3 is R1159
[11:05] <Gotango> One can always overclock a lower range cpu, but does'nt sound like a good idea
[11:06] <Kilos> i think for basic stuff an i3 with 4g ram is fine
[11:07] <Kilos> only serious gamers that need more i think
[11:07] <Gotango> Yeah those specs will do fine for todays games too , but at lower graphics settings
[11:08] <Kilos> i dunno all the ins and outs. im a hardware type
[11:09] <Kilos> what you cant fix with a hammer isnt worth fixing
[11:09] <Gotango> I play an online highscore game called Tricky truck all the time and have to set the 3D settings to no shaders, but then again my lappy specs are bad
[11:09] <Gotango> lol true :)
[11:10] <Gotango> They should make a place where people can smash old pc's and appliances with hammers, will make tons of money lol
[11:11] <Kilos> lol
[11:12] <Kilos> i collect old pcs others throw away
[11:12] <Gotango> You can make like google and connect all of them u into a super pc :)
[11:13] <Kilos> i dunno how to do that
[11:14] <Kilos> but this dual core works kiff
[11:14] <Gotango> There are special software needed to make that happen i think, plus cables 
[11:15] <Gotango> yeah the more cores the better 
[11:16] <Kilos> i dunno why they dont use xbox and ps3 cpus
[11:16] <Kilos> they got like 8 cores i think
[11:16] <Kilos> but nowhere to add ram
[11:19] <Gotango> true , maybe too expensive to produce
[15:17] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[15:17]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[15:20] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[15:20] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[15:21] <Kilos> superfly, what doing?
[15:21] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[15:21] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[15:21] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[15:21] <Kilos> lag here today
[16:40] <Kilos> !
[17:31] <Vince-0> Sup
[18:40] <Kilos> whew
[18:41] <Kilos> maybe an early night might bring more peeps here tomorrow
[18:41] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight