[01:35] <Noskcaj> If i don't get to the meeting tomorrow, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6676084/ summaries what i'd end up saying
[01:36] <Noskcaj> *summarizes 
[08:08] <DanChapman> Good Morning everyone :-)
[08:08] <Unit193> Howdy.
[08:11] <elfy> morning DanChapman 
[08:17] <DanChapman> elfy, hey there :-) is there any news on when the user login fix will be released, last I heard it was in sponsor queue but that was a while ago. Think it might have been you that told me? 
[08:19] <Unit193> It'd not been merged, as far as I know.
[08:21] <elfy> afaik that ^^
[08:28] <DanChapman> Unit193, elfy ok thanks :-)
[08:33] <Unit193> Anything you needed with it?
[08:37] <jarnos> Unit193, with what?
[08:38] <Unit193> jarnos: Response to something DanChapman was referencing.  Howdy.
[08:58] <DanChapman> Unit193, it's blocking the ubiquity autopilot tests running https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Ubiquity/view/Xubuntu/ so was just wondering on progress
[09:05] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, i'll try to tweak the current icon by adding an outline to it i think
[09:05] <ochosi> brainwash: (i'm referring to the terminal icon)
[09:13] <Unit193> DanChapman: Oh dear.
[09:18] <Unit193> micahg: Any chance you can look at that (session merge) soon?  Turns out it's also blocking ubiquity autopilot tests for Xubuntu.
[09:19]  * jarnos thinks light-locker needs a lot of testing, if it is going to be used as default.
[10:12] <slickymaster> morning all
[10:26] <Unit193> Howdy slick.
[10:33] <slickymaster> hi Unit193, hope you had a merry christmas and a happy new year
[11:01] <ali1234> ochosi: do you know anything about the checkboxes in libreoffice and gtk styling?
[11:31] <brainwash> ali1234: some time ago I've pointed out an issue with xfdeskto 4.11 (theme not applied for desktop elements, see http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/onetwo.php), but I lost track of it after removing all desktop icons
[11:31] <ali1234> right, that is the bug where it doesn't pick up the gtk style
[11:31] <ali1234> several other people reported it
[11:32] <brainwash> you've said that you were able to reproduce it somehow, or?
[11:32] <ali1234> yeah
[11:32] <brainwash> oh, so a report already exists?
[11:32] <ali1234> someone mentioned it on the mailing list i think
[11:49] <brainwash> ali1234: did not find anything about it
[11:49] <brainwash> I'll file a report then
[12:16] <ochosi> ali1234: hm, checkboxes in libreoffice? could you be a bit more specific than that?
[12:17] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTgAzEJFQuY
[12:18] <ochosi> so the flashing is good or bad? :)
[12:19] <ochosi> or to put it differently, what exactly is the problem? the fact that with albatross there might be some artifacts left over when a checkbox is unticked?
[12:20] <ochosi> (i can reproduce that btw, but never noticed)
[12:21] <ali1234> with certain combinations of window manager and theme the box looks like it is ticked even when it is not
[12:21] <ochosi> i'd guess that it's a bug with how LO tries to mimick gtk
[12:21] <ochosi> yeah, ambiance has the same problem
[12:21] <ali1234> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73211
[12:23] <ochosi> yeah, strange, what i can confirm is that with ambiance and albatross, there's an artifact left over in the right top corner
[12:23] <ochosi> but with greybird or numix, everything is totally fine
[12:23] <ochosi> (v.4.1.3.2, saucy)
[12:24] <ali1234> if you do this test in unity it behaves differently, but still depends on the theme
[12:28] <ochosi> weird
[12:28] <ochosi> yeah, well tbh with apps like firefox or LO and their gtk mimicking, that has been mostly a blackbox for me so far
[12:29] <ochosi> you can only try to tweak certain things and then see the results and hope that it works
[12:29] <ochosi> e.g. scrollbar-steppers in both apps
[13:36] <jarnos> brainwash, what is the screen saver extension of the X server? 
[13:48] <brainwash> jarnos: it's an extension for the X11 protocol, do you need any specific information?
[13:50] <brainwash> it simply allows clients to change the image on a display, see "xset -q" for the current configuration
[13:50] <brainwash> section "Screen Saver:"
[14:02] <jarnos> brainwash, and light-locker could step in somehow? I didn't notice that with light-locker 1.0.0
[14:02] <jarnos> brainwash, is there any other screensaver/locker that can do it?
[14:03] <jarnos> brainwash, can it tell to save screen only when it locks screen?
[14:05] <brainwash> jarnos: https://github.com/the-cavalry/light-locker/commit/42270ed055dfb3b586c453c83b9666d928385623
[14:05] <brainwash> like I said before, you need a recent version of light-locker
[14:12] <jarnos> brainwash, right
[15:28] <jarnos> brainwash, xautolock provides similar features for any locker.
[15:42] <elfy> ochosi: with the lightlocker ppa - should lock screen work? 
[15:42] <elfy> or is something else stopping it still
[15:57] <brainwash> elfy: you mean timed locking?
[15:58] <brainwash> if yes, then you will have to use the daily ppa
[15:59] <elfy> no - I mean Lock Screen from action buttons plugin
[16:00] <elfy> I give up with all these ppa's - until someone else thinks it might be a good idea to have some sort of record of them
[16:01] <elfy> or people bothered to reply to mails to the list
[16:02] <brainwash> elfy: didn't you edit xflock4 manually already?
[16:03] <elfy> brainwash: I did that - with the patch
[16:04] <elfy> I've pretty much come to the conclusion that no-one's going to care less about QA until sometime in March
[16:04] <elfy> it'll be too late then
[16:05] <brainwash> isn't this the way how it usually works? :)
[16:05] <elfy> no wonder people don't last long trying to get QA to work
[16:05] <elfy> you might :) about it - but I'm :|
[16:07] <brainwash> sometimes I'm like o.o
[16:08] <brainwash> our major problem is that we lack a or more dedicated uploaders
[16:09] <elfy> brainwash: so - as far as this lock screen thing goes - with the PPA I've got ( lightdm-gtk-greeter-team-stable-trusty.list) and the patched xflock4 should it work or not
[16:09] <elfy> oh - and I've still got grey screen when I login 
[16:10] <elfy> one of the major problems we-ve got is a lack of uploaders
[16:10] <elfy> we've also got everyone paying lipservice to QA as well 
[16:11] <elfy> I'm bored of asking people to tell me what's going on with what they're doing and everyone saying - yea we'll say - then me asking again - everytime we have a meeting
[16:11] <brainwash> yes, the patched xflock4 should trigger light-locker
[16:12] <elfy> then it doesn't work
[16:12] <brainwash> can you upload the content of your xflock4 please?
[16:13] <elfy> brainwash: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6679259/
[16:14] <brainwash> to eliminate the grey screen you need lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.7.0 and xfwm4 + xfdesktop from Unit193's PPA
[16:16] <brainwash> maybe xfdesktop from the xfce 4.12 PPA is already recent enough
[16:16] <elfy> ppa:unit193/xfce
[16:16] <elfy> that one?
[16:16] <brainwash> yes
[16:16] <elfy> I've got that one
[16:17] <brainwash> you've also added the Xfce 4.12 ppa, right?
[16:17] <brainwash> I think this one has a newer version of xfwm4 and therefore will override Unit193's version
[16:18] <elfy> greeter is 1.7.0-0~ppa1~trusty / xfwm4 is 4.11.1-0ubuntu1~ppa0.13.10.1 / xfdesktop4 is 4.11.2-1~14.04 
[16:18] <brainwash> yeah, it's a mess
[16:18] <elfy> the PPA's I've got are in the mail I sent to the list 
[16:18] <brainwash> should be "4.11.0+tabwin.git20131215.fa67b6a-1~14.04"
[16:18] <elfy> as far as I knew those where the ones I needed
[16:19] <elfy> brainwash: anyway - I'm not really here - just venting mostly
[16:19] <elfy> cya later - I might be here for tonights meeting
[16:19] <brainwash> so you will have to apt-pin or lock this version of xfwm4
[16:19] <brainwash> ok, cya
[16:19] <lderan> cheerio elfy 
[16:20] <elfy> hi lderan 
[16:21] <lderan> hi elfy :P
[16:21] <brainwash> elfy: your xflock4 looks fine, so nothing happens if you lock the screen via menu?
[16:21] <elfy> [16:12] <elfy> then it doesn't work
[16:22] <brainwash> what happens if you run it inside a terminal window? /usr/bin/xflock4
[16:23] <elfy> returns to prompt
[16:23] <elfy> I'm really off now ;)
[16:23] <brainwash> bye
[16:24] <brainwash> ochosi: any thoughts regarding bug 1264563 ?
[19:01] <knome> do we have a meeting? did you come to a resolution? :P
[19:02] <elfy> was only ochosi who would not be able to make it 
[19:03] <knome> oki
[19:03] <knome> would somebody else chair? ;9
[19:03] <elfy> though that said - I'm only just about here
[19:03] <knome> !team | meeting time
[19:04] <elfy> aah - it's a bot factoid ... 
[19:04] <knome> ;)
[19:04] <jjfrv8-work> just got called away. sorry.
[19:04] <knome> np
[19:06] <elfy> not really sure there's much point tbh atm - nothing is any different than it was last time
[19:06] <knome> yep, was thinking the same
[19:06] <knome> but i don't mind if people want to run through things
[19:06] <elfy> I've nothing to say 
[19:07] <Unit193> Nothing to say.
[19:07] <knome> me neither; the illness and today's work got the most out of me for now :P
[19:10] <elfy> only thing I'd say is we need to really get on top of getting things further than a handful of PPAs if any of it's going to be close for April
[19:11] <knome> yes, i will get to tackle that in the next week/two
[19:12] <pleia2> I pretty much took time off for holidays too, nothing new
[19:12] <knome> pleia2, congrats for being able to have fun with it ;)
[19:12] <pleia2> beaches++
[19:12] <knome> hehe
[19:13] <knome> not if it's around zero and blows a lot :P
[19:13] <elfy> :)
[19:13] <knome> (literally...)
[19:13] <elfy> looks like next week then
[19:14] <elfy> knome: we're due another storm tomorrow here - they've been closing the storm gates locally - high tide at the same time
[19:14] <knome> elfy, ough
[19:14] <lderan> oh dear
[19:14] <knome> elfy, good luck
[19:14] <elfy> I'll be driving around it it still :p
[19:15] <lderan> hope it doesn't get too bad then
[19:17] <elfy> well - that definitely appears to be a vote for no meeting today then :D
[19:18] <knome> i'll be kind of here if somebody wants to chat
[19:18] <knome> but mostly afk
[19:18] <Unit193> I've noticed a couple oddities with either xfwm or xfdesktop.  Last night for suspend, before the dialog for what action you'd like to take pulled up, half the screen showed the xscreensaver 'pong' game.
[19:18] <Noskcaj> I'm on satelite, so my internet will crash constantly
[19:18] <knome> Unit193, lol
[19:18] <elfy> Unit193: not seen that - just grey screen/no lock screen 
[19:18] <knome> Unit193, games are good
[19:18] <knome> ;)
[19:18] <Unit193> knome: Yep, and the screensaver games I want to play sometimes. >_>
[19:19] <knome> heh
[19:19] <Unit193> elfy: Seems you don't/didn't have the right xfwm.
[19:20] <elfy> seems not 
[19:20] <elfy> given up 
[19:21] <Unit193> xfwm 4.11.1 was released, but ~tabwin hasn't merged it in yet so current there is xfwm 4.11.0
[19:22] <elfy> though tabwin looked nice for a while - now it's a black box instead of a grey box :)
[19:24] <Unit193> If you poke ochosi, I'm sure he'd merge in latest master for you.
[19:24] <elfy> I'm really not that worried about updating PPAs Unit193 
[19:26] <Unit193> elfy: Sure, and this is just a test for tabwin, it doesn't have to land in Trusty.
[19:27] <elfy> I understand that - would be nice though :)
[19:27] <elfy> I'd certainly rather have that than a black terminal icon on a black panel ;)
[19:27] <Unit193> Yes, I'd like tabwin as well and either way Xubuntu goes, I'll be using it.
[19:29] <elfy> :)
[19:29]  * Noskcaj10 still doesn't know what tabwin is
[19:29] <elfy> I'm losing certainty with whiskermenu though, I thought it had command history as well 
[19:29] <knome> Noskcaj10, press alt+tab
[19:29] <Unit193> knome: So no meeting it seems, but should we consider what next one?
[19:30] <elfy> Noskcaj10: you know when you alt+tab and get the grey box - the one we're talking about is black instead
[19:30] <knome> Unit193, thu 7 jan 19utc
[19:30] <Noskcaj10> ok
[19:30] <Unit193> Noskcaj10: http://wiki.xfce.org/design/xfwm4/tabwin
[19:30] <elfy> knome: 9th is Thursday 
[19:30] <knome> lol
[19:30] <knome> yes 9jan
[19:30] <elfy> :)
[19:32] <Noskcaj> I pre-made my meeting #infos if anyone want a look. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6676084/
[19:33] <GridCube> ?
[19:33] <Unit193> This is the interesting one for sure: "debian have fixed the power manager systemd issue in svn, it should be uploaded soon"
[19:37] <Noskcaj> http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-xfce/desktop/branches/experimental/xfce4-power-manager/
[19:41] <Unit193> Mhmm, I looked.
[19:42] <knome> Noskcaj, team: check your mail.
[19:43] <lderan> woo for Noskcaj :D
[19:44] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, if you want command history currently, go with appfinder
[19:44] <Noskcaj> yay, thanks knome 
[19:44] <ochosi> Unit193: merge in what where?
[19:44] <knome> Noskcaj, np. patience and hard work will always be rewarded :)
[19:44] <Unit193> ochosi: xfwm master to tabwin. :P
[19:46] <ochosi> Unit193: ah right. did that a short while ago, was there anything of interest added after that?
[19:46] <ochosi> also, i'm expecting the merge to happen the other way round soonish
[19:47] <Unit193> ochosi: No, nothing interesting really, just a default change but more importantly, version bump making the xfce-4.12 ppa higher. :P
[19:47] <Unit193> Sure, that's great!
[19:47] <Unit193> (Not a big deal to me at least, I don't use the other ppa.)
[19:50] <lderan> knome, i need to work on the hard working part :P
[19:51] <elfy> knome: I'll be proposing slicky for that as well 
[19:51] <knome> we should propose lderan as well
[19:51] <elfy> I'd +1 that
[19:51] <Unit193> Mhmm, to both.  Slick (come on, MIB reference?) does QA and Docs.
[19:52] <elfy> yep
[19:53] <knome> proposals done.
[19:53] <knome> i'm off to sauna
[19:53] <knome> see you later
[19:53] <lderan> cheerio
[19:54] <elfy> cya knome 
[20:04] <brainwash> so I've compiled the panel and the indicator area looks fine now, but the panel ignores the wrapper1 panel plugins and cannot be made transparent anymore
[20:05] <brainwash> Noskcaj: any news regarding your xfce4-panel packages? still some build errors left?
[20:07] <Noskcaj> brainwash, the ppa has an old version of panel, since i never got a working tarball from master. If someone could make that, i can get the ppa finished when i get home
[20:11] <brainwash> mmh
[20:24] <Unit193> jjfrv8: Hah, nice. (Also also sounds good.)
[20:27] <elfy> :)
[20:35] <elfy> bye
[20:36] <brainwash> Noskcaj: how do you create a working tarball?
[20:37] <Noskcaj> brainwash, ./autogen.sh HEAPS_OF _OPTIONS && make distutils
[20:37] <Noskcaj> i think
[20:38] <brainwash> but I'm likely to encounter the same error you do, or?
[20:44] <Unit193> It just needs newer garcon than in repo.
[20:49] <Noskcaj> brainwash, probably. I think i was just missing some other deps
[20:49] <Noskcaj> Unit193, it's in the ppa
[23:54] <pleia2> knome: yay new members! exciting :)