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| ahoneybun | what are were you saying apachelogger? | 03:19 |
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| valorie | ooo, I missed this earlier: http://dot.kde.org/2013/10/02/ezgo-free-and-open-source-software-taiwans-schools | 07:32 |
| valorie | they are now using kubuntu as the base for ezgo | 07:32 |
| soee | ;] | 07:33 |
| apachelogger | valorie: more to the point, everyone needs tableties | 09:12 |
| * valorie is waiting for a vivaldi | 09:13 | |
| valorie | fortunatly not holding my breath on that | 09:13 |
| apachelogger | :S | 09:15 |
| apachelogger | something needs to happen | 09:15 |
| apachelogger | they are not the first to mention that requirement coming up, nor will they be the last | 09:15 |
| apachelogger | not being able to offer anything seems rather bad to me | 09:16 |
| valorie | someone in #kde was asking for a PPA for plasma active tonight | 09:16 |
| * valorie stayed silent | 09:16 | |
| valorie | well, they started with their lil open raspi | 09:16 |
| valorie | maybe they'll have success in the end | 09:16 |
| valorie | who knows | 09:17 |
| * valorie drags to bed; contractor coming tomorrow morning too... or rather THIS morning | 09:23 | |
| soee | do you have some problems with upgrades (trusty) as some ktp package breakes it ? | 09:24 |
| apachelogger | no | 09:34 |
| apachelogger | bug 1243822 | 09:39 |
| ubottu | bug 1243822 in plasma-nm (Ubuntu Saucy) "[SRU] Update plasma-nm, libnm-qt, and libmm-qt" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1243822 | 09:39 |
| apachelogger | what to do with it? | 09:40 |
| apachelogger | and why does it not have a card? | 09:40 |
| soee | apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/DU8R76hQ | 09:40 |
| apachelogger | wut | 09:40 |
| apachelogger | apt-cache show kde-telepathy-declarative | 09:41 |
| soee | and http://pastebin.com/SJ3APcu5 | 09:41 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: ^ | 09:42 |
| soee | apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/2Xxn99Tj | 09:42 |
| apachelogger | soee: file a bug about your second paste please | 09:42 |
| apachelogger | that's the culprint | 09:42 |
| soee | apachelogger: kubunut or ktp bug ? | 09:43 |
| apachelogger | kubuntu | 09:45 |
| soee | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=329553 | 09:58 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 329553 in general "Dependency problem with kde-telepathy-declarative" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 09:58 |
| apachelogger | (kubuntu bugs are filed via ubuntu-bug $packagename | 09:59 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: ^ | 09:59 |
| soee | apachelogger: ? | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | you filed a kubuntu bug in kde's bug tracker | 10:01 |
| soee | ah oh my :/ | 10:02 |
| soee | someone can delete it from kde bugs ? | 10:07 |
| soee | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-common-internals/+bug/1265756 | 10:07 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1265756 in ktp-common-internals (Ubuntu) "kde-telepathy-declarative dependency problem" [Undecided,New] | 10:07 |
| ovidiu-florin | Hello world | 12:23 |
| ovidiu-florin | Happy new year :D | 12:23 |
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| ovidiu-florin | shadeslayer: are you around? | 12:46 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 12:47 |
| shadeslayer | ovidiu-florin: hi | 12:48 |
| ovidiu-florin | shadeslayer: AFAIK you are working with Muon, right? | 12:48 |
| shadeslayer | sort of | 12:48 |
| shadeslayer | whenever I get the time to fix a bug | 12:49 |
| shadeslayer | wgrant: did you upstream aarch64_fix_* patches in Qt4? | 12:49 |
| ovidiu-florin | I've noticed this on a few computers now. I can't install the updates. It failes to download and the tries to apply... nothing. so it failes to install the updates. | 12:51 |
| ovidiu-florin | I've just tried again, by clicking on the icon in the sys tray | 12:51 |
| ovidiu-florin | and it seems to work now | 12:51 |
| ovidiu-florin | beats me why | 12:52 |
| ovidiu-florin | but this was the 3rd atempt to start the Muon Update manager | 12:54 |
| ovidiu-florin | and install the updates | 12:54 |
| shadeslayer | please make sure you update your sources.list before downloading updates | 13:02 |
| ovidiu-florin | I noticed this after the upgrade to 13.10. Doesn't the upgrade utility also update the sources.list? | 13:05 |
| shadeslayer | it shou;d | 13:08 |
| shadeslayer | *should | 13:08 |
| ovidiu-florin | I see that it did. so that should be ok | 13:09 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'm trying to translate http://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu but I can' | 13:09 |
| ovidiu-florin | can't find the translate button | 13:09 |
| ovidiu-florin | and I can't find the page in the translatable pages list. | 13:09 |
| ovidiu-florin | here: http://userbase.kde.org/Special:LanguageStats | 13:10 |
| lordievader | Good afternoon. | 13:35 |
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| shadeslayer | Alright, first build of Qt 4.8.5 merge | 15:17 |
| shadeslayer | with some patches disabled | 15:17 |
| shadeslayer | *fingers crossed* | 15:17 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: re ktp-common-internals, invalid bug | 15:49 |
| shadeslayer | soee: to fix that issue you can use : sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" -f install | 15:50 |
| eagles0513875 | hey all | 16:59 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: no upgrades should require that.... | 17:46 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: instead correct breaks/replaces should be specified. | 17:46 |
| Quintasan | xnox: Those sometimes don't work | 17:47 |
| Quintasan | God knows why. | 17:47 |
| xnox | Quintasan: they always do, unless one specifies them wrong =)))) | 17:47 |
| Quintasan | xnox: Maybe they were wrongly specified but I recall one case when that would not work for some reason. | 17:50 |
| xnox | Quintasan: logs and examples, or it didn't happen =))))) | 17:50 |
| Quintasan | xnox: I would give you them but just thinking about looking through all of my dpkg logs is making me sick | 17:52 |
| Quintasan | too lazy, and I guess that in the end it would be me doing something wrong | 17:53 |
| Quintasan | though at that time I just couldn't get it to work | 17:53 |
| Sput | apachelogger: just a heads up, sometime this week I will move our quasselcore to another server, because I'm tired of the university hosting it currently cutting power for a day to upgrade the emergency power system for the fifth time | 17:55 |
| Sput | the old host name should still work and just point to the same machine, but the certificate will change. | 17:55 |
| Sput | *to the new machine | 17:56 |
| Quintasan | \o Sput | 17:56 |
| Sput | hey Quintasan | 17:56 |
| Sput | not sure why those people want emergency power in the first place if they keep liberally shutting down power to test/upgrade/install/modify it | 17:57 |
| Quintasan | Sput: got a second to tell me who should I bug wrt a small problem with Quassel? | 17:58 |
| Sput | Quintasan: best is always to ask in #quassel | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | Sput: ok, thx | 18:00 |
| cyphermox | shadeslayer: apachelogger: I just saw backlog -- it wasn't planned at all to start transitioning to bluez 5 | 18:02 |
| jose | Riddell: ping | 18:09 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: reporter was using a PPA, so that makes it an issue with the packaging in the PPA no? | 18:10 |
| shadeslayer | upgrading from Saucy KTP to Trusty KTP should go fine since the files haven't moved | 18:10 |
| shadeslayer | cyphermox: right, just that upstream plans to deprecate bluez4 support | 18:13 |
| shadeslayer | so by the time LTS comes out, no support for bluedevil + bluez4 | 18:14 |
| shadeslayer | well, first compile of Qt 4.8.5 went well | 18:14 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: is that one of the kubuntu ppa's? | 18:39 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: nope | 18:39 |
| shadeslayer | mitya57: first attempt here https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/qt4-x11_4.8.5%2Bgit192-g085f851%2Bdfsg-2ubuntu1%7Eppa1.dsc | 18:50 |
| shadeslayer | needs *alot* of work | 18:50 |
| shadeslayer | especially alot of work with the patches | 18:50 |
| mitya57 | Won't look today, but feel free to ping me tomorrow if you need help | 18:50 |
| mitya57 | Did you commit it to bzr? | 18:51 |
| shadeslayer | I have not | 18:51 |
| shadeslayer | I'll do that before I leave | 18:51 |
| mitya57 | Btw, .dscs from launchpad are not dget'able | 18:55 |
| mitya57 | One needs to go to ppa.launchpad.net to get a working .dsc | 18:55 |
| tsimpson | they are dget'able | 18:56 |
| tsimpson | they didn't used to be, which is why I wrote dgetlp in ubuntu-dev-tools | 18:57 |
| mitya57 | Then they are dgetlpable :) Didn't know about that tool, thanks! | 18:58 |
| tsimpson | I'm not sure if it even still works, this was before LP had +files | 18:59 |
| soee_ | shadeslayer: thanks that command helped | 19:02 |
| tsimpson | oh, dgetlp was dropped in 0.146, RIP | 19:03 |
| shadeslayer | didn't even know there was a dgetlp | 19:05 |
| shadeslayer | I just used pull-lp-source | 19:05 |
| shadeslayer | mitya57: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qt/revision/375 | 19:11 |
| mitya57 | shadeslayer: thanks, I will help you finish that tomorrow! | 19:12 |
| shadeslayer | \o/ | 19:12 |
| shadeslayer | major things to work on are arm64 and ppcel64 support I believe | 19:13 |
| Quintasan | this is 4.8.5? | 19:13 |
| Quintasan | why am I always stuck in a hole when there is something interesting to do | 19:13 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 19:13 |
| * Quintasan looks at trello cards | 19:14 | |
| * shadeslayer thinks moc-boost148-53.patch can be dropped as well | 19:14 | |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: if you're looking for something interesting you can write device identification support for the new driver manager | 19:14 |
| Quintasan | >new driver manager | 19:14 |
| Quintasan | is it Python? | 19:14 |
| * yofel passes Quintasan 4.11.5 | 19:14 | |
| shadeslayer | or something easier : write support to install packages :P | 19:14 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: hah, no, C++ | 19:15 |
| Quintasan | Where is that? | 19:15 |
| yofel | if you're seriously bored ;P | 19:15 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fgarg%2Fkcm-driver-manager.git | 19:15 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: You don't have any docs for that, do you? xd | 19:18 |
| shadeslayer | docs? 0.o | 19:18 |
| Quintasan | I think I'll need to do some learning before I can do anything in this. | 19:19 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: what kind of sorcery DriverManager_DBus is? | 19:20 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: it's the dbus service that interacts with the Ubuntu Driver stuff | 19:20 |
| shadeslayer | I wanted the minimum amount of Python here | 19:20 |
| shadeslayer | so I wrote a python script that registers DBus objects and the C++ side interacts with that | 19:21 |
| Quintasan | Okay, so package installation is supposed to be done with libqapt? | 19:21 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 19:22 |
| Quintasan | I have absolutely no idea how to do this but I'll try | 19:22 |
| shadeslayer | and ideally I want to query udev for the device type, so that instead of saying "Broadcom Wireless blah blah" it says "Wireless Card" in the ui | 19:22 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: Should the package installation be handled in Module namespace or I should somehow separate it? | 19:24 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: preferably you want to create a new class to handle that | 19:24 |
| shadeslayer | Unless it's trivial | 19:25 |
| shadeslayer | i.e. can be implemented in ~10 lines or so | 19:25 |
| Quintasan | Which is probably not going to happeb | 19:25 |
| Quintasan | happen | 19:25 |
| Quintasan | at least not when I'm the one doing it | 19:25 |
| shadeslayer | IIRC you have to create a qapt transaction, then commit the transaction, then run it | 19:25 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: I heard you like libraries so we put library on top of your library so you can go sane while you go insane? | 19:26 |
| shadeslayer | how is this a library :P | 19:27 |
| Quintasan | well, it's a kcm | 19:27 |
| Quintasan | :P | 19:27 |
| shadeslayer | which is not a library :D | 19:28 |
| Quintasan | hell | 19:28 |
| Quintasan | why do I suck at coding so much | 19:28 |
| Quintasan | I must do more of it | 19:28 |
| Quintasan | most of the time I'm like "hurr durr how do I do this" | 19:29 |
| Quintasan | then someone shows me how to do it | 19:29 |
| Quintasan | and I'm like | 19:29 |
| apachelogger | ^ technically a kcm is a plugin which in turn is a library :P | 19:29 |
| Quintasan | "wtf, why didn't I think about that" | 19:29 |
| Quintasan | and it's like that 90% of time | 19:29 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: I'd highly recommend reading the python code and running the detect sequence to see what the driver output looks like | 19:29 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: I don't know, calling a kcm plugin seems a bit far fetched to me | 19:29 |
| apachelogger | it is a plugin | 19:30 |
| shadeslayer | would you call firefox plugins libraries? | 19:30 |
| apachelogger | how do you think it is loaded at runtime? :P | 19:30 |
| apachelogger | firefox plugins are not libraries | 19:30 |
| apachelogger | they are scripts | 19:30 |
| Quintasan | I can see that you are parsing the output into a QVariantMap | 19:30 |
| apachelogger | with assets | 19:30 |
| Quintasan | so it's device -> driver key-value combination, right? | 19:30 |
| shadeslayer | I concur it's a plugin, but I don't know, calling it a library sounds wrong to me | 19:31 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: yep, but it's a QMap<QString, QVariant> | 19:31 |
| shadeslayer | where QVariant = QMap or QString | 19:31 |
| Quintasan | hmm | 19:32 |
| shadeslayer | okay, leaving | 19:32 |
| shadeslayer | cya tomorrow | 19:32 |
| shadeslayer | maybe | 19:32 |
| Quintasan | Lates | 19:32 |
| Quintasan | Laters even. | 19:32 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: it's a shared object, which means it has mighty exported symbols, which means it is a library | 19:33 |
| Quintasan | MAKE SYMBOLS FILES FOR ALL KCMS | 19:33 |
| Quintasan | ! | 19:33 |
| * Quintasan hides | 19:33 | |
| apachelogger | ^ would not make sense because because the KCM does not dictate the symbols but the well defined interface inside kdelibs does | 19:34 |
| yofel | that's why you make a lib for your code that you can have a symbol file for and then just wrap a kcm plugin around that :P | 19:35 |
| yofel | just for sanity | 19:35 |
| Quintasan | I like how sane that sounds but I somehow don't think it's a good idea | 19:36 |
| yofel | :D | 19:36 |
| apachelogger | actually I think the well defined interface towards a plugin will not actually show up in the libraries symbols since there are no symbols, the interface would just be a header | 19:39 |
| apachelogger | so sanity is really not a word I would use WRT plugins | 19:39 |
| Quintasan | Did any of you watch 30c3 talk about X security? | 19:42 |
| yofel | do I want to? | 19:42 |
| Quintasan | Theoretically yes. | 19:42 |
| yofel | added to todo | 19:43 |
| Quintasan | It's bad but the more interesting thing is that apparently Qt/KDE has really frivolous approach to security | 19:43 |
| Quintasan | It's bad as in the security | 19:43 |
| Quintasan | Not the talk itself | 19:43 |
| apachelogger | technically the applications developer's approach is terribad | 19:49 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1265897] 14.04 Alpha-1 Plasma Netbook Interface has no Web Browser favorite @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1265897 (by Marco Parillo) | 20:09 |
| apachelogger | ^ love the hardcoding | 20:13 |
| cyphermox | shadeslayer: my concern is that bluez5 is a pretty maintenance-heavy update for a LTS, and I think RHEL at least will still have it for a while. So, since it's still only in experimental on Debian, I wouldn't worry too much about it just yet. We absolutely will upgrade to 5.X as soon as the LTS is released though | 21:23 |
| cyphermox | that is, unless people suddently step up to update all the other things that will break with bluez 5, pulseaudio, gnome bluetooth, ofono, etc. | 21:24 |
| cyphermox | more interestingly though, I did get MM 1.0 uploaded to Debian experimental | 21:25 |
| cyphermox | is anyone aware of whether all is well in KDE land to support the new ModemManager1 API? | 21:25 |
| apachelogger | cyphermox: supported at least in git, so should be good for uploaded to trusty | 22:07 |
| apachelogger | Riddell has the details though and I think he is still on vacation | 22:07 |
| cyphermox | ok | 22:07 |
| cyphermox | I'll wait to be sure, and I need to send an email to pkg-kde as well to make sure it's fine to upload to unstable | 22:08 |
| apachelogger | ah | 22:08 |
| apachelogger | https://trello.com/c/fuFnpLVf | 22:08 |
| apachelogger | cyphermox: can be uploaded, mm1 support is already released | 22:08 |
| cyphermox | ah, alright | 22:09 |
| cyphermox | well, perhaps I'll do the email and possibly upload to unstable this weekend, and then upload to trusty early next week and rebuild NM | 22:10 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: afaik Riddell was supposed to come back on 2nd | 22:10 |
| apachelogger | :O | 22:11 |
| shadeslayer | or that's what I recall from our conversation | 22:11 |
| apachelogger | I'll text him tomorrow if he doesn't show up | 22:11 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: maybe extra time off to rejuvenate the little grey cells | 22:12 |
| shadeslayer | maybe | 22:12 |
| apachelogger | I noticed that starting on 2nd again was a silly idea anyway, I was most surprised when a friend told me that it's friday again xD | 22:13 |
| apachelogger | very pointless | 22:13 |
| valorie | ovidiu-florin: please ask in #kde-www for help with that wiki - that's where the experts live | 22:14 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: yeah xD | 22:19 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: also, Monday is a holiday I think | 22:19 |
| shadeslayer | atleast that's what the calendar widget tells me | 22:20 |
| shadeslayer | something about 3 wise kings and Jesus | 22:20 |
| apachelogger | sweet baby jesus | 22:20 |
| apachelogger | indeed | 22:20 |
| apachelogger | well, depends on the country anyway | 22:21 |
| shadeslayer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphany_%28holiday%29 | 22:21 |
| valorie | ovidiu-florin: now i see that you did, and were ignored | 23:15 |
| valorie | so maybe write to the list instead | 23:15 |
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