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| shadowbroker | hello. i'm on kubuntu 13.10. i've tried adding chinese as a second keyboard layout, but no matter what i do, i can't get the keyboard to switch from english to chinese | 00:38 |
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| shadowbroker | i'm currently in Keyboard Settings, I added the layout called "Chinese" and added shortcuts to switch to either English or Chinese | 00:39 |
| shadowbroker | but they do not work :/ and selecting Chinese from the task bar doesn't switch either. it's always stuck on English | 00:40 |
| shadowbroker | any ideas? | 00:40 |
| valorie | perhaps run it from the cli and watch the output? | 00:40 |
| valorie | not sure how you figure what command to issue though | 00:40 |
| shadowbroker | i dont know how to change the keyboard settings from cli either :| | 00:41 |
| valorie | mmmm, too bad our guy from Hong Kong isn't here; I'm sure he knows how to switch | 00:41 |
| valorie | this might shed some light? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1551403 | 00:42 |
| valorie | and possibly: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7021111/kde-how-do-i-find-and-switch-current-globar-keyboard-layout-from-cli | 00:44 |
| valorie | although it's sorta old | 00:44 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | Does anyone know how to alter settings governing video overlay? | 00:44 |
| shadowbroker | i keep reading posts about 13.10 breaking language support, almost completely for some languages | 00:49 |
| shadowbroker | yet this has been known for months and not fixed? O.o i find that hard to believe | 00:50 |
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| valorie | shadowbroker: we'd welcome help on that | 00:55 |
| valorie | there is a person working to fix, but it's a big job | 00:56 |
| valorie | remember that this is a community produced distro | 00:56 |
| shadowbroker | unfortuntely i wouldnt know where to start on such a thing :( | 00:57 |
| valorie | if you have the time, we'll work with you | 00:58 |
| valorie | we all start out as beginners | 00:58 |
| shadowbroker | true. i need to finish school first. maybe then i'll have enough time to contribute | 00:58 |
| valorie | cool | 00:58 |
| valorie | most of what is done in foss is because somebody wants something fixed enough to learn how to do that | 00:59 |
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| valorie | practically our whole packaging team at one time was a buncha high school teens | 00:59 |
| shadowbroker | lol | 00:59 |
| shadowbroker | gonna try relogging to see if i missed something that needed to be restarted | 01:00 |
| valorie | now that they are in or done with college, they work upstream as well as packaging | 01:00 |
| daniel1 | Hi, heres my story: I duist upgraded to the current version where I found the new muon discover. It so not bad but why in the flying hell does frigging nobody tests his developed program with the standart dark themes/schemes like obsidian coast, zion rev. and so on ?? The values I set do not apply to muons bg of the buttons therefore I have a forced white button with a light colored text that is given by the | 02:00 |
| daniel1 | scheme. ;/ | 02:00 |
| xixor | I seriously doubt those are rigorously tested | 02:02 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | um... | 02:04 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | The themes only effect the panes and, maybe the windows. | 02:04 |
| daniel1 | and the buttons too | 02:05 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | I'm using Obsidian Coast now. Looks great | 02:05 |
| daniel1 | the buttons too ? | 02:06 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | Granted, I'm on 12.04... | 02:06 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | yup | 02:06 |
| daniel1 | your using muon discover ? | 02:07 |
| xixor | muon discover is a window that you probably use like what.... once a blue moon? don't worry about it | 02:09 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | muon discover? | 02:09 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | So, you're not talking about the package manager? | 02:09 |
| xixor | file a bug with Canonical/kubuntu and move on | 02:09 |
| daniel1 | Well but this does not matter to me that much. I'd rather know how I can fix this without recompiling. I gues qt's ability of qss can fix this but how can I set specific programs to start allways with a specific qss applied ? | 02:10 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | Oh, it's a third party front end. | 02:11 |
| xixor | ah, sorry, I thought muon discover was muon | 02:13 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | nope | 02:13 |
| xixor | well, apple, android/google, and microsoft have an app store-like interface, so looks like someone wanted to copy it for KDE too | 02:14 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | could always file a bug with cyberspace. | 02:14 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | https://launchpad.net/~cyberspace | 02:15 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | they're in charge of that project. | 02:15 |
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| daniel1 | Hell I cant even find the spot where I have to submit the bug. | 02:32 |
| valorie | submit a bug for what exactly? | 02:33 |
| * valorie read up, but am confused | 02:33 | |
| daniel1 | muon discover | 02:34 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | the look of Muon Discovey is not complying with theme settings. | 02:34 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | Apparently... | 02:34 |
| valorie | daniel1: try ubuntubug --muon-discover in the cli | 02:35 |
| daniel1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon this one right ? | 02:35 |
| valorie | or just go to bugs.kde.org | 02:35 |
| valorie | and file it there | 02:35 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | why are you filing a bug with Muon? | 02:36 |
| valorie | yes, that's the right place; discover bugs are in with the rest of muon | 02:37 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | Really? | 02:38 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | huh..... | 02:38 |
| daniel1 | Because the buttons of muon are not obeying to the styling, which they should. | 02:38 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | What version of Kubuntu? | 02:38 |
| daniel1 | 13.10 , kde 4.11.3 I guess. I allways forget the command. | 02:40 |
| xixor | the command to get the ubuntu version is ridiculous | 02:40 |
| xixor | lsb_what? lsb_something? lsb_version ? | 02:40 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | That's why I use inxi. :) | 02:40 |
| BluesKaj | lsb_release -a | 02:41 |
| xixor | cat /etc/debian_version is so easy | 02:41 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | that too | 02:41 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | but inxi makes it pretty | 02:41 |
| BluesKaj | or -r | 02:41 |
| daniel1 | it is 13.10 | 02:43 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | Well, out of my expertise. | 02:44 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | Because of my chipset/gpu, I gotta stick with LTS. So, I know little about issues in kde 4.11 | 02:44 |
| xixor | Poisoned_Dragon: what chipset/gpu? | 02:45 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | Intel 82852/855GM | 02:47 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | After kernel 3.5, I have issues with the laptop lid button. | 02:47 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | It's a common bug filed in launchpad and the forums. | 02:47 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | Easier just to stay with LTS. If I'm feeling adventurous, I could install the quantal lts kernel package. | 02:49 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | But I finally got kubuntu the way I like it. I don't feel like messing with i much more. Considering I'm more of an xfce guy, things seem to be working ok. | 02:49 |
| xixor | ima install 4.12 to join the cool crowd | 02:50 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | lol | 02:50 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | I thought about using the backports ppa. | 02:51 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | But, I might just let things be. | 02:51 |
| xixor | I never let things be. | 02:51 |
| Trel | I'm having a few problems with themes on the latest KDE available in Kubuntu. Are there any known issues right now that weren't in previous versions? | 02:51 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | I usually don't either. But this laptop is very particular. | 02:52 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | you should check out the bugs section of the backports ppa, launchpad site. | 02:53 |
| BluesKaj | testing prerelase kubuntus is a hooby of sorts for me, stable id fine for thode who need it. | 02:53 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | It might have come up | 02:53 |
| BluesKaj | id-is | 02:53 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | If I had a less temperamental setup, I'd go for it. | 02:54 |
| * BluesKaj retrieves his glasses | 02:54 | |
| Poisoned_Dragon | But, not being able to use the latest kernel is bummer enough. | 02:54 |
| Trel | Since upgrading KDE+Kubuntu, I'm having these issues http://imgur.com/a/UHiQy (first two show how a window decoration is losing its gradient when a window is maximized) | 02:54 |
| xixor | I haven't found a laptop that isn't tempermental with linux | 02:54 |
| BluesKaj | my issue with linux is the lack of a comprehensive audio suite, there's too much chaos | 02:57 |
| daniel1 | Trel: I had this once too. There is shomewhere a option to disable the rendering of the gradients on maximized windows. Looks like it is enabled on your system. | 02:58 |
| xixor | BluesKaj: agreed. I'm having alsa problems on 13.10 I installed on my desktop last night | 02:58 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | Surprisingly, my eeepc 701 has been pretty good. | 02:58 |
| Trel | daniel1: any idea where, it must've been triggered when I upgraded kubuntu releases. | 02:58 |
| xixor | BluesKaj: trying to track down if it's a phonon, pulseaudio, or alsa problem is .... frustrating. | 02:58 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | The biggest issue is the low resolution of the lcd. Can't overcome that | 02:58 |
| BluesKaj | xixor, which audio chip ? | 02:59 |
| valorie | the problem is, that every effort to wrap up all of the linux audio, just makes another layer | 02:59 |
| Trel | daniel1: I'll look around, that's easy enough. | 02:59 |
| valorie | sort of a nightmare for all the a/v devels, all the time | 02:59 |
| valorie | there are still people using OSS! | 03:00 |
| xixor | BluesKaj: I'm not on the machine, I can't recall off the top of my head, the problem is that I have 3 audio devices, that all seem to work, just the ordering seems messed up... I think | 03:00 |
| BluesKaj | alsa is perfectly capable and was until pulseaudio was forced down our throats | 03:01 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | Could alsa handle multiple apps streaming audio at once? | 03:02 |
| valorie | that isn't how I experienced it | 03:02 |
| excalibr | When you use plasma-desktop, how do you hide the titlebar for maximized app window just like in plasma-netbook? | 03:02 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | I thought it was a one at a time thing. | 03:02 |
| valorie | but then I didn't have a clue how to fix things back in the day either | 03:03 |
| ghil | Pulseaudio seemed like a good thing at first though. But seeing it's state, and it's development, I'm really missing the old ALSA days. | 03:03 |
| valorie | ghil: to me it seems to get better over time | 03:03 |
| valorie | we used to advise people to remove PA in #amarok | 03:03 |
| valorie | it's been a few years since I had to make that suggestion | 03:04 |
| ghil | it is better than it was yes. and I'm glad, because now it's useable. | 03:04 |
| valorie | colin guthrie is awesome to work with | 03:04 |
| valorie | he's a great maintainer | 03:04 |
| Trel | daniel1: sorry to ask again, I can't find where it even might be, you have any clue where that setting was? | 03:05 |
| BluesKaj | xixor, index settings in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf cab help solidify the order of importance for the sound drivers the devices use | 03:07 |
| xixor | I just think it's silly that it's 2013 and there doesn't seem to be a way for alsa to change the order of sound cards. So if I want to use my mobo audio instead of hdmi audio or my usb sound card, I gotta edit some cryptic file and which may or may not involve a reboot | 03:08 |
| xixor | wait | 03:08 |
| xixor | it's even sillier that I still think it's 2013 | 03:08 |
| stunner | lol | 03:09 |
| stunner | oh weit a minute that sound driver order i found yesterday | 03:09 |
| stunner | wait | 03:09 |
| ghil | just a thing though: editing some cryptic file is really more efficient to me than knee deep menus where every option is obscured and hidden through many levels. | 03:09 |
| daniel1 | Trel: I gues its shomewhere in application/workspace apperence. But i remember that it was rediculesly hard to find again. | 03:10 |
| xixor | the KDE phonon device order editing is pretty nice | 03:10 |
| Trel | daniel1: It wasn't spefcific to the decoratoin was it? | 03:10 |
| BluesKaj | xixor, that's why i use VLC the audio settings in phonon can be chosen there for a particular audio device | 03:10 |
| daniel1 | Trel: No it was some kind of stupid thing that applied to all maximized windows | 03:11 |
| BluesKaj | it's clunky but it works | 03:11 |
| xixor | BluesKaj: VLC can also choose the specific alsa device as well I think | 03:11 |
| xixor | BluesKaj: which I find strange because apparently there is no way with an alsa utility to change the order | 03:11 |
| BluesKaj | yes , that what i was trying to say :) | 03:11 |
| xixor | or if there is, I haven't found it | 03:11 |
| daniel1 | Trel: might even be in window behavior | 03:12 |
| Trel | daniel1: ok, I'll keep looking, thanks | 03:12 |
| stunner | does someone know how i keep the flash video that i play in firefox fullscreen on my dual screen? | 03:12 |
| BluesKaj | the audio devices defaults is hierarchal in alsa , but think it has to be to keep order | 03:13 |
| Trel | daniel1: I think I may have found what it's called | 03:15 |
| BluesKaj | xixor, in alsa-base.conf index=0 is the driver for Card 0 in phonon and so on, and any driver setting with a - (minus) is ignored | 03:19 |
| daniel1 | Trel where was it ? | 03:20 |
| xixor | BluesKaj: Hm...... ok, I'll have to explore that, you might have to remind me of that when I'm back at that machine | 03:20 |
| Trel | daniel1: I didn't find it, but I think it's related to hiding borders on maximized windows. | 03:20 |
| daniel1 | yes | 03:20 |
| daniel1 | .. or maybe | 03:20 |
| xixor | BluesKaj: is it possible it is just a permission thing with /dev/dsp or something? I remember that being a common alsa problem back-in-the-day | 03:21 |
| BluesKaj | xixor, np ,just remind me ,and we can go thru it | 03:21 |
| Trel | daniel1: if not, I can't find anything else, even via google | 03:21 |
| BluesKaj | xixor, it could have been when the asoundrc file was still determining device order etc , but asoundrc has been dropped pulseaudio seems to have taken over that role for device inputs and outputs | 03:24 |
| daniel1 | Trel: you could try to make a new user acc to se if it is realy the setting I remember or something different. | 03:24 |
| xixor | BluesKaj: is the asoundrc file only in ~ ? | 03:25 |
| Trel | daniel1: I may as well, be right back | 03:25 |
| BluesKaj | not sure xixor , I just became familiar with it after it was dropped | 03:26 |
| BluesKaj | seen references on old alsa and OSS tutorials | 03:26 |
| xixor | yeah, I've seen it mentioned as well | 03:27 |
| xixor | there is also another tool, asoundconf I think it was, that I seen mentioned a lot on the web, but now it doesn't seem to be included | 03:27 |
| BluesKaj | well, gotta go ...later folks | 03:41 |
| xixor | I haven't been able to tell the difference between any kde versions in a few years | 04:02 |
| friti | Does anyone know if it is possible to disable copy/paste via middle-click? It is more a hindrance to me than it is helpful. | 05:05 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | Lemme look | 05:07 |
| friti | The problem is that the switch on my middle mbutton is very sentitive, and it likes to randomly paste stuff in documents that i am scrolling though.... | 05:09 |
| soee | friti: open desktop properties | 05:11 |
| soee | there you have tasks assigned to mouse buttons | 05:11 |
| soee | remove of modify them | 05:11 |
| friti | soee, gonna try that.... | 05:12 |
| friti | Didn;t help | 05:12 |
| Poisoned_Dragon | I forgot that was there. | 05:12 |
| soee | friti: and what did you do ? | 05:13 |
| friti | There appear to be at least 2 clipboards. One that holds the string that i copied via ctrl+c and the second that holds the middle-clicked selection | 05:13 |
| uBUXUBu | hi | 05:14 |
| friti | soee: I went to Desktop Settings => Mouse actions and removed the middle-click action | 05:14 |
| friti | Obiously, i have also clicked "apply" and "ok". | 05:15 |
| soee | friti: maybe try to logout and login again | 05:15 |
| friti | Yeah, i guess i wil give that a go.... | 05:15 |
| friti | It will restart X and that may just do the trick | 05:16 |
| friti | Nope, it still copy/pastes via middle-click. Gonna try a restart then. | 05:18 |
| friti | Grrr... That didn;t work either | 05:25 |
| friti | soee: So the restart didn't help. Is there something else that i could try? | 05:29 |
| soee | friti: not sure i thought the desktop settings trick will do the job | 05:37 |
| soee | you can also try to ask on #kde as it is to it related | 05:37 |
| friti | Someone seems to have suggested EasyStroke as a solution. I am now looking into that | 05:40 |
| friti | Hmmm... That seems to have helped, at least a little. | 05:45 |
| friti | It will refuse a first middle click, but then a second will pass right through | 05:47 |
| friti | Well, it will help at the very least. | 05:52 |
| friti | In case you want to know, i followed this post : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1335587&page=3&p=11811126#post11811126 | 05:53 |
| detlef | sequedista.sequedista@gmail.com | 07:35 |
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| Shahin | join .help | 09:27 |
| Shahin | join /help | 09:27 |
| Shahin | hi | 09:28 |
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| markus_ | on every start my desktop looks like I reinstalled my machine | 12:07 |
| markus_ | Is there a fix for this? | 12:07 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 12:47 |
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| lordievader | Good afternoon. | 13:35 |
| eagles0513875 | friti_: its your trackpad a multitouch one? | 14:10 |
| eagles0513875 | as it seems there is an issue with them | 14:10 |
| eagles0513875 | at the kernel level | 14:10 |
| eagles0513875 | friti_: not sure if this applies to your multitouch track pad but for sure applies to mine https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/967399 | 14:11 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 967399 in linux (Ubuntu) "[11.10] Elantech trackpoint does not work Lenovo " [High,In progress] | 14:11 |
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| friti_ | eagles0513875: I do not have a track pad. I don;t know where you got that idea. | 14:58 |
| eagles0513875 | sorry friti_ only saw half the discussion | 14:59 |
| friti_ | I just want to disable copy/paste on middle mouse click | 14:59 |
| eagles0513875 | friti_: you checked in settings? | 15:09 |
| friti_ | You mean System Settings? Yes | 15:09 |
| eagles0513875 | should be able to adjust the settings from the input section in terms of mouse and track pad etc | 15:11 |
| friti_ | There is no way to adjust mouse button actions from there, for as far as i can tell. However, right-click desktop, then choose settings (i use folder view, so i would choose Folder Settings), then choose "Mouse Actions", where i have already removed the middle-mouse click action | 15:13 |
| friti_ | Other than that, my only option would be to disable the middle mbtn in X altogether, but i definitely don;t want to do that | 15:14 |
| Allison43 | !cloak | 16:26 |
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| Trel | The kwin-style-dekorator package is broken on my system. It requires removing kde-window-manager and installing kde-window-manager-active (which does not work), where as if I compile dekorator myself, it work just fine with kde-window-manager | 19:57 |
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| greasyfat | ok i installed the kunbuntu desktop | 20:39 |
| greasyfat | my icons keep disappearing off my desktop after i add apps there lol | 20:39 |
| greasyfat | its like random which ones stick | 20:39 |
| jarkko___ | i have that also | 21:00 |
| jarkko___ | i have a bit wondered why is that so | 21:00 |
| alihk | hi | 21:05 |
| alihk | i have a problem with openvpn client! | 21:06 |
| alihk | can anybody help me!? | 21:06 |
| lordievader | alihk: What is your problem? | 21:09 |
| alihk | i just now install kubuntu 13.10 | 21:09 |
| alihk | before this i have ubuntu 13.10 and then install kde desktop! | 21:10 |
| alihk | in ubuntu with kde i have openopn i its works fine | 21:10 |
| alihk | but in kubuntu openvpn doesnt work! | 21:10 |
| lordievader | alihk: Define "doesn't work". Do you get an error? | 21:11 |
| alihk | no its just doesnt work! | 21:11 |
| alihk | pptp works fine! | 21:11 |
| alihk | but openvpn !! Nope | 21:11 |
| Allison43 | alihk, openvpn works here , do you have network-manager-openvpn installed? | 21:12 |
| alihk | where can i find that this package installed?? | 21:13 |
| alihk | i dont know | 21:13 |
| Allison43 | look in the muon package manager for it, or sudo apt-get install network-manager-openvpn | 21:14 |
| lordievader | alihk: Open a terminal and run "apt-cache policy network-manager-openvpn" | 21:14 |
| alihk | its not installed! | 21:15 |
| alihk | i run installation | 21:15 |
| Allison43 | then you have to open the panel toolbox and search for network manager and install it by clicking on it so that NM appears in the panel | 21:18 |
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| Promethes | when muon will be fixed? Anyone knows? | 22:09 |
| Promethes | its three months since 13.10 release and still muon updater crashes and/or not installing updates | 22:10 |
| Promethes | was this muon software piece created for masohists? | 22:11 |
| SonikkuAmerica | Promethes: Use [ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ] for the time being. Also can't you update using Muon's package manager? | 22:14 |
| Promethes | SonikkuAmerica: I can, but i have many PC's with kubuntu on board at my work and i really miss dead simple updater | 22:16 |
| Promethes | that works | 22:16 |
| SonikkuAmerica | (This is reason #827348 why I don't use KDE at all anymore.) | 22:18 |
| jarkko___ | there havent been much updates anyway | 22:19 |
| greasyfat | whats the best file explorer | 22:37 |
| greasyfat | is dolphin good | 22:37 |
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| Guest19021 | jk | 23:24 |
| stunner | anyone know i good way to remote control my pc with my android phone? | 23:45 |
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| valorie | stunner: have you tried kdeconnect? | 23:57 |
| valorie | I have it, and it works really well | 23:57 |
| valorie | you install the package on your computer, then get the app from Google Play, and pair | 23:58 |
| valorie | it will even control your TV or Blu-ray player | 23:59 |
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