[00:38] <shadowbroker> hello. i'm on kubuntu 13.10. i've tried adding chinese as a second keyboard layout, but no matter what i do, i can't get the keyboard to switch from english to chinese
[00:39] <shadowbroker> i'm currently in Keyboard Settings, I added the layout called "Chinese" and added shortcuts to switch to either English or Chinese
[00:40] <shadowbroker> but they do not work :/ and selecting Chinese from the task bar doesn't switch either. it's always stuck on English
[00:40] <shadowbroker> any ideas?
[00:40] <valorie> perhaps run it from the cli and watch the output?
[00:40] <valorie> not sure how you figure what command to issue though
[00:41] <shadowbroker> i dont know how to change the keyboard settings from cli either :|
[00:41] <valorie> mmmm, too bad our guy from Hong Kong isn't here; I'm sure he knows how to switch
[00:42] <valorie> this might shed some light? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1551403
[00:44] <valorie> and possibly: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7021111/kde-how-do-i-find-and-switch-current-globar-keyboard-layout-from-cli
[00:44] <valorie> although it's sorta old
[00:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> Does anyone know how to alter settings governing video overlay?
[00:49] <shadowbroker> i keep reading posts about 13.10 breaking language support, almost completely for some languages
[00:50] <shadowbroker> yet this has been known for months and not fixed? O.o i find that hard to believe
[00:55] <valorie> shadowbroker: we'd welcome help on that
[00:56] <valorie> there is a person working to fix, but it's a big job
[00:56] <valorie> remember that this is a community produced distro
[00:57] <shadowbroker> unfortuntely i wouldnt know where to start on such a thing :(
[00:58] <valorie> if you have the time, we'll work with you
[00:58] <valorie> we all start out as beginners
[00:58] <shadowbroker> true. i need to finish school first. maybe then i'll have enough time to contribute
[00:58] <valorie> cool
[00:59] <valorie> most of what is done in foss is because somebody wants something fixed enough to learn how to do that
[00:59] <valorie> practically our whole packaging team at one time was a buncha high school teens
[00:59] <shadowbroker> lol
[01:00] <shadowbroker> gonna try relogging to see if i missed something that needed to be restarted
[01:00] <valorie> now that they are in or done with college, they work upstream as well as packaging
[02:00] <daniel1> Hi, heres my story: I duist upgraded to the current version where I found the new muon discover. It so not bad but why in the flying hell does frigging nobody tests his developed program with the standart dark themes/schemes like obsidian coast, zion rev. and so on ?? The values I set do not apply to muons bg of the buttons therefore I have a forced white button with a light colored text that is given by the
[02:00] <daniel1> scheme. ;/
[02:02] <xixor> I seriously doubt those are rigorously tested
[02:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> um...
[02:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> The themes only effect the panes and, maybe the windows.
[02:05] <daniel1> and the buttons too
[02:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'm using Obsidian Coast now. Looks great
[02:06] <daniel1> the buttons too ?
[02:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> Granted, I'm on 12.04...
[02:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> yup
[02:07] <daniel1> your using muon discover ?
[02:09] <xixor> muon discover is a window that you probably use like what.... once a blue moon?  don't worry about it
[02:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> muon discover?
[02:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, you're not talking about the package manager?
[02:09] <xixor> file a bug with Canonical/kubuntu and move on
[02:10] <daniel1> Well but this does not matter to me that much. I'd rather know how I can fix this without recompiling. I gues qt's ability of qss can fix this but how can I set specific programs to start allways with a specific qss applied ?
[02:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh, it's a third party front end.
[02:13] <xixor> ah, sorry, I thought muon discover was muon
[02:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> nope
[02:14] <xixor> well, apple, android/google, and microsoft have an app store-like interface, so looks like someone wanted to copy it for KDE too
[02:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> could always file a bug with cyberspace.
[02:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> https://launchpad.net/~cyberspace
[02:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> they're in charge of that project.
[02:32] <daniel1> Hell I cant even find the spot where I have to submit the bug.
[02:33] <valorie> submit a bug for what exactly?
[02:33]  * valorie read up, but am confused
[02:34] <daniel1> muon discover
[02:34] <Poisoned_Dragon> the look of Muon Discovey is not complying with theme settings.
[02:34] <Poisoned_Dragon> Apparently...
[02:35] <valorie> daniel1: try ubuntubug --muon-discover in the cli
[02:35] <daniel1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon this one right ?
[02:35] <valorie> or just go to bugs.kde.org
[02:35] <valorie> and file it there
[02:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> why are you filing a bug with Muon?
[02:37] <valorie> yes, that's the right place; discover bugs are in with the rest of muon
[02:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> Really?
[02:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> huh.....
[02:38] <daniel1> Because the buttons of muon are not obeying to the styling, which they should.
[02:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> What version of Kubuntu?
[02:40] <daniel1> 13.10 , kde 4.11.3 I guess. I allways forget the command.
[02:40] <xixor> the command to get the ubuntu version is ridiculous
[02:40] <xixor> lsb_what? lsb_something? lsb_version ?
[02:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> That's why I use inxi. :)
[02:41] <BluesKaj> lsb_release -a
[02:41] <xixor> cat /etc/debian_version is so easy
[02:41] <Poisoned_Dragon> that too
[02:41] <Poisoned_Dragon> but inxi makes it pretty
[02:41] <BluesKaj> or -r
[02:43] <daniel1> it is 13.10
[02:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, out of my expertise.
[02:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> Because of my chipset/gpu, I gotta stick with LTS. So, I know little about issues in kde 4.11
[02:45] <xixor> Poisoned_Dragon: what chipset/gpu?
[02:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> Intel 82852/855GM
[02:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> After kernel 3.5, I have issues with the laptop lid button.
[02:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's a common bug filed in launchpad and the forums.
[02:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> Easier just to stay with LTS. If I'm feeling adventurous, I could install the quantal lts kernel package.
[02:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> But I finally got kubuntu the way I like it. I don't feel like messing with i much more. Considering I'm more of an xfce guy, things seem to be working ok.
[02:50] <xixor> ima install 4.12 to join the cool crowd
[02:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol
[02:51] <Poisoned_Dragon> I thought about using the backports ppa.
[02:51] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, I might just let things be.
[02:51] <xixor> I never let things be.
[02:51] <Trel> I'm having a few problems with themes on the latest KDE available in Kubuntu.   Are there any known issues right now that weren't in previous versions?
[02:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> I usually don't either. But this laptop is very particular.
[02:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> you should check out the bugs section of the backports ppa, launchpad site.
[02:53] <BluesKaj> testing prerelase kubuntus is a hooby of sorts for me, stable id fine for thode who need it.
[02:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> It might have come up
[02:53] <BluesKaj> id-is
[02:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> If I had a less temperamental setup, I'd go for it.
[02:54]  * BluesKaj retrieves his glasses
[02:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, not being able to use the latest kernel is bummer enough.
[02:54] <Trel> Since upgrading KDE+Kubuntu, I'm having these issues http://imgur.com/a/UHiQy  (first two show how a window decoration is losing its gradient when a window is maximized)
[02:54] <xixor> I haven't found a laptop that isn't tempermental with linux
[02:57] <BluesKaj> my issue with linux is the lack of a comprehensive audio suite, there's too much chaos
[02:58] <daniel1> Trel: I had this once too. There is shomewhere a option to disable the rendering of the gradients on maximized windows. Looks like it is enabled on your system.
[02:58] <xixor> BluesKaj: agreed.  I'm having alsa problems on 13.10 I installed on my desktop last night
[02:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> Surprisingly, my eeepc 701 has been pretty good.
[02:58] <Trel> daniel1: any idea where, it must've been triggered when I upgraded kubuntu releases.
[02:58] <xixor> BluesKaj: trying to track down if it's a phonon, pulseaudio, or alsa problem is .... frustrating.
[02:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> The biggest issue is the low resolution of the lcd. Can't overcome that
[02:59] <BluesKaj> xixor, which audio chip ?
[02:59] <valorie> the problem is, that every effort to wrap up all of the linux audio, just makes another layer
[02:59] <Trel> daniel1: I'll look around, that's easy enough.
[02:59] <valorie> sort of a nightmare for all the a/v devels, all the time
[03:00] <valorie> there are still people using OSS!
[03:00] <xixor> BluesKaj: I'm not on the machine, I can't recall off the top of my head, the problem is that I have 3 audio devices, that all seem to work, just the ordering seems messed up... I think
[03:01] <BluesKaj> alsa is perfectly capable and was until pulseaudio was forced down our throats
[03:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> Could alsa handle multiple apps streaming audio at once?
[03:02] <valorie> that isn't how I experienced it
[03:02] <excalibr> When you use plasma-desktop, how do you hide the titlebar for maximized app window just like in plasma-netbook?
[03:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> I thought it was a one at a time thing.
[03:03] <valorie> but then I didn't have a clue how to fix things back in the day either
[03:03] <ghil> Pulseaudio seemed like a good thing at first though. But seeing it's state, and it's development, I'm really missing the old ALSA days.
[03:03] <valorie> ghil: to me it seems to get better over time
[03:03] <valorie> we used to advise people to remove PA in #amarok
[03:04] <valorie> it's been a few years since I had to make that suggestion
[03:04] <ghil> it is better than it was yes. and I'm glad, because now it's useable.
[03:04] <valorie> colin guthrie is awesome to work with
[03:04] <valorie> he's a great maintainer
[03:05] <Trel> daniel1: sorry to ask again, I can't find where it even might be, you have any clue where that setting was?
[03:07] <BluesKaj> xixor,  index settings in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf cab help solidify the order of importance for the sound drivers the devices use
[03:08] <xixor> I just think it's silly that it's 2013 and there doesn't seem to be a way for alsa to change the order of sound cards.  So if I want to use my mobo audio instead of hdmi audio or my usb sound card, I gotta edit some cryptic file and which may or may not involve a reboot
[03:08] <xixor> wait
[03:08] <xixor> it's even sillier that I still think it's 2013
[03:09] <stunner> lol
[03:09] <stunner> oh weit a minute that sound driver order i found yesterday
[03:09] <stunner> wait
[03:09] <ghil> just a thing though: editing some cryptic file is really more efficient to me than knee deep menus where every option is obscured and hidden through many levels.
[03:10] <daniel1> Trel: I gues its shomewhere in application/workspace apperence. But i remember that it was rediculesly hard to find again.
[03:10] <xixor> the KDE phonon device order editing is pretty nice
[03:10] <Trel> daniel1: It wasn't spefcific to the decoratoin was it?
[03:10] <BluesKaj> xixor, that's why i use VLC the audio settings in phonon can be chosen there for a particular audio device
[03:11] <daniel1> Trel: No it was some kind of stupid thing that applied to all maximized windows
[03:11] <BluesKaj> it's clunky but it works
[03:11] <xixor> BluesKaj: VLC can also choose the specific alsa device as well I think
[03:11] <xixor> BluesKaj: which I find strange because apparently there is no way with an alsa utility to change the order
[03:11] <BluesKaj> yes , that what i was trying to say :)
[03:11] <xixor> or if there is, I haven't found it
[03:12] <daniel1> Trel: might even be in window behavior
[03:12] <Trel> daniel1: ok, I'll keep looking, thanks
[03:12] <stunner> does someone know how i keep the flash video that i play in firefox fullscreen on my dual screen?
[03:13] <BluesKaj> the audio devices defaults is hierarchal in alsa , but think it has to be to keep order
[03:15] <Trel> daniel1: I think I may have found what it's called
[03:19] <BluesKaj> xixor, in alsa-base.conf index=0 is the driver for Card 0 in phonon and so on, and any driver setting with a - (minus) is ignored
[03:20] <daniel1> Trel where was it ?
[03:20] <xixor> BluesKaj: Hm...... ok, I'll have to explore that, you might have to remind me of that when I'm back at that machine
[03:20] <Trel> daniel1: I didn't find it, but I think it's related to hiding borders on maximized windows.
[03:20] <daniel1> yes
[03:20] <daniel1> .. or maybe
[03:21] <xixor> BluesKaj: is it possible it is just a permission thing with /dev/dsp or something?  I remember that being a common alsa problem back-in-the-day
[03:21] <BluesKaj> xixor, np ,just remind me ,and we can go thru it
[03:21] <Trel> daniel1: if not, I can't find anything else, even via google
[03:24] <BluesKaj> xixor, it could have been when the asoundrc file was still determining device order etc , but asoundrc has been dropped pulseaudio seems to have taken over that role for device inputs and outputs
[03:24] <daniel1> Trel: you could try to make a new user acc to se if it is realy the setting I remember or something different.
[03:25] <xixor> BluesKaj: is the asoundrc file only in ~ ?
[03:25] <Trel> daniel1: I may as well, be right back
[03:26] <BluesKaj> not sure xixor , I just became familiar with it after it was dropped
[03:26] <BluesKaj> seen references on old alsa and OSS tutorials
[03:27] <xixor> yeah, I've seen it mentioned as well
[03:27] <xixor> there is also another tool, asoundconf I think it was, that I seen mentioned a lot on the web, but now it doesn't seem to be included
[03:41] <BluesKaj> well, gotta go ...later folks
[04:02] <xixor> I haven't been able to tell the difference between any kde versions in a few years
[05:05] <friti> Does anyone know if it is possible to disable copy/paste via middle-click? It is more a hindrance to me than it is helpful.
[05:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> Lemme look
[05:09] <friti> The problem is that the switch on my middle mbutton is very sentitive, and it likes to randomly paste stuff in documents that i am scrolling though....
[05:11] <soee> friti: open desktop properties
[05:11] <soee> there you have tasks assigned to mouse buttons
[05:11] <soee> remove of modify them
[05:12] <friti> soee, gonna try that....
[05:12] <friti> Didn;t help
[05:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> I forgot that was there.
[05:13] <soee> friti: and what did you do ?
[05:13] <friti> There appear to be at least 2 clipboards. One that holds the string that i copied via ctrl+c and the second that holds the middle-clicked selection
[05:14] <uBUXUBu> hi
[05:14] <friti> soee: I went to Desktop Settings => Mouse actions and removed the middle-click action
[05:15] <friti> Obiously, i have also clicked "apply" and "ok".
[05:15] <soee> friti: maybe try to logout and login again
[05:15] <friti> Yeah, i guess i wil give that a go....
[05:16] <friti> It will restart X and that may just do the trick
[05:18] <friti> Nope, it still copy/pastes via middle-click. Gonna try a restart then.
[05:25] <friti> Grrr... That didn;t work either
[05:29] <friti> soee: So the restart didn't help. Is there something else that i could try?
[05:37] <soee> friti: not sure i thought the desktop settings trick will do the job
[05:37] <soee> you can also try to ask on #kde as it is to it related
[05:40] <friti> Someone seems to have suggested EasyStroke as a solution. I am now looking into that
[05:45] <friti> Hmmm... That seems to have helped, at least a little.
[05:47] <friti> It will refuse a first middle click, but then a second will pass right through
[05:52] <friti> Well, it will help at the very least.
[05:53] <friti> In case you want to know, i followed this post : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1335587&page=3&p=11811126#post11811126
[07:35] <detlef> sequedista.sequedista@gmail.com
[09:27] <Shahin> join .help
[09:27] <Shahin> join /help
[09:28] <Shahin> hi
[12:07] <markus_> on every start my desktop looks like I reinstalled my machine
[12:07] <markus_> Is there a fix for this?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:35] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:10] <eagles0513875> friti_: its your trackpad a multitouch one?
[14:10] <eagles0513875> as it seems there is an issue with them
[14:10] <eagles0513875> at the kernel level
[14:11] <eagles0513875> friti_: not sure if this applies to your multitouch track pad but for sure applies to mine https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/967399
[14:58] <friti_> eagles0513875: I do not have a track pad. I don;t know where you got that idea.
[14:59] <eagles0513875> sorry friti_ only saw half the discussion
[14:59] <friti_> I just want to disable copy/paste on middle mouse click
[15:09] <eagles0513875> friti_: you checked in settings?
[15:09] <friti_> You mean System Settings? Yes
[15:11] <eagles0513875> should be able to adjust the settings from the input section in terms of mouse and track pad etc
[15:13] <friti_> There is no way to adjust mouse button actions from there, for as far as i can tell. However, right-click desktop, then choose settings (i use folder view, so i would choose Folder Settings), then choose "Mouse Actions", where i have already removed the middle-mouse click action
[15:14] <friti_> Other than that, my only option would be to disable the middle mbtn in X altogether, but i definitely don;t want to do that
[16:26] <Allison43> !cloak
[19:57] <Trel> The kwin-style-dekorator package is broken on my system.  It requires removing kde-window-manager and installing kde-window-manager-active (which does not work), where as if I compile dekorator myself, it work just fine with kde-window-manager
[20:39] <greasyfat> ok i installed the kunbuntu desktop
[20:39] <greasyfat> my icons keep disappearing off my desktop after i add apps there lol
[20:39] <greasyfat> its like random which ones stick
[21:00] <jarkko___> i have that also
[21:00] <jarkko___> i have a bit wondered why is that so
[21:05] <alihk> hi
[21:06] <alihk> i have a problem with openvpn client!
[21:06] <alihk> can anybody help me!?
[21:09] <lordievader> alihk: What is your problem?
[21:09] <alihk> i just now install kubuntu 13.10
[21:10] <alihk> before this i have ubuntu 13.10 and then install kde desktop!
[21:10] <alihk> in ubuntu with kde i have openopn i its works fine
[21:10] <alihk> but in kubuntu openvpn doesnt work!
[21:11] <lordievader> alihk: Define "doesn't work". Do you get an error?
[21:11] <alihk> no its just doesnt work!
[21:11] <alihk> pptp works fine!
[21:11] <alihk> but openvpn !! Nope
[21:12] <Allison43> alihk, openvpn works here , do you have network-manager-openvpn installed?
[21:13] <alihk> where can i find that this package installed??
[21:13] <alihk> i dont know
[21:14] <Allison43> look in the muon package manager for it, or sudo apt-get install network-manager-openvpn
[21:14] <lordievader> alihk: Open a terminal and run "apt-cache policy network-manager-openvpn"
[21:15] <alihk> its not installed!
[21:15] <alihk> i run installation
[21:18] <Allison43> then you have to open the panel toolbox and search for network manager and install it by clicking on it so that NM appears in the panel
[22:09] <Promethes> when muon will be fixed? Anyone knows?
[22:10] <Promethes> its three months since 13.10 release and still muon updater crashes and/or not installing updates
[22:11] <Promethes> was this muon software piece created for masohists?
[22:14] <SonikkuAmerica> Promethes: Use [ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ] for the time being. Also can't you update using Muon's package manager?
[22:16] <Promethes> SonikkuAmerica: I can, but i have many PC's with kubuntu on board at my work and i really miss dead simple updater
[22:16] <Promethes> that works
[22:18] <SonikkuAmerica> (This is reason #827348 why I don't use KDE at all anymore.)
[22:19] <jarkko___> there havent been much  updates anyway
[22:37] <greasyfat> whats the best file explorer
[22:37] <greasyfat> is dolphin good
[23:24] <Guest19021> jk
[23:45] <stunner> anyone know i good way to remote control my pc with my android phone?
[23:57] <valorie> stunner: have you tried kdeconnect?
[23:57] <valorie> I have it, and it works really well
[23:58] <valorie> you install the package on your computer, then get the app from Google Play, and pair
[23:59] <valorie> it will even control your TV or Blu-ray player