=== hans27 is now known as bluefox [00:38] hello. i'm on kubuntu 13.10. i've tried adding chinese as a second keyboard layout, but no matter what i do, i can't get the keyboard to switch from english to chinese [00:39] i'm currently in Keyboard Settings, I added the layout called "Chinese" and added shortcuts to switch to either English or Chinese [00:40] but they do not work :/ and selecting Chinese from the task bar doesn't switch either. it's always stuck on English [00:40] any ideas? [00:40] perhaps run it from the cli and watch the output? [00:40] not sure how you figure what command to issue though [00:41] i dont know how to change the keyboard settings from cli either :| [00:41] mmmm, too bad our guy from Hong Kong isn't here; I'm sure he knows how to switch [00:42] this might shed some light? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1551403 [00:44] and possibly: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7021111/kde-how-do-i-find-and-switch-current-globar-keyboard-layout-from-cli [00:44] although it's sorta old [00:44] Does anyone know how to alter settings governing video overlay? [00:49] i keep reading posts about 13.10 breaking language support, almost completely for some languages [00:50] yet this has been known for months and not fixed? O.o i find that hard to believe === Steakanbake|slee is now known as Steakanbake === Steakanbake is now known as doge-senpai [00:55] shadowbroker: we'd welcome help on that [00:56] there is a person working to fix, but it's a big job [00:56] remember that this is a community produced distro [00:57] unfortuntely i wouldnt know where to start on such a thing :( [00:58] if you have the time, we'll work with you [00:58] we all start out as beginners [00:58] true. i need to finish school first. maybe then i'll have enough time to contribute [00:58] cool [00:59] most of what is done in foss is because somebody wants something fixed enough to learn how to do that === doge-senpai is now known as Steakanbake [00:59] practically our whole packaging team at one time was a buncha high school teens [00:59] lol [01:00] gonna try relogging to see if i missed something that needed to be restarted [01:00] now that they are in or done with college, they work upstream as well as packaging [02:00] Hi, heres my story: I duist upgraded to the current version where I found the new muon discover. It so not bad but why in the flying hell does frigging nobody tests his developed program with the standart dark themes/schemes like obsidian coast, zion rev. and so on ?? The values I set do not apply to muons bg of the buttons therefore I have a forced white button with a light colored text that is given by the [02:00] scheme. ;/ [02:02] I seriously doubt those are rigorously tested [02:04] um... [02:04] The themes only effect the panes and, maybe the windows. [02:05] and the buttons too [02:05] I'm using Obsidian Coast now. Looks great [02:06] the buttons too ? [02:06] Granted, I'm on 12.04... [02:06] yup [02:07] your using muon discover ? [02:09] muon discover is a window that you probably use like what.... once a blue moon? don't worry about it [02:09] muon discover? [02:09] So, you're not talking about the package manager? [02:09] file a bug with Canonical/kubuntu and move on [02:10] Well but this does not matter to me that much. I'd rather know how I can fix this without recompiling. I gues qt's ability of qss can fix this but how can I set specific programs to start allways with a specific qss applied ? [02:11] Oh, it's a third party front end. [02:13] ah, sorry, I thought muon discover was muon [02:13] nope [02:14] well, apple, android/google, and microsoft have an app store-like interface, so looks like someone wanted to copy it for KDE too [02:14] could always file a bug with cyberspace. [02:15] https://launchpad.net/~cyberspace [02:15] they're in charge of that project. === Steakanbake is now known as Steakanbake|slee [02:32] Hell I cant even find the spot where I have to submit the bug. [02:33] submit a bug for what exactly? [02:33] * valorie read up, but am confused [02:34] muon discover [02:34] the look of Muon Discovey is not complying with theme settings. [02:34] Apparently... [02:35] daniel1: try ubuntubug --muon-discover in the cli [02:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon this one right ? [02:35] or just go to bugs.kde.org [02:35] and file it there [02:36] why are you filing a bug with Muon? [02:37] yes, that's the right place; discover bugs are in with the rest of muon [02:38] Really? [02:38] huh..... [02:38] Because the buttons of muon are not obeying to the styling, which they should. [02:38] What version of Kubuntu? [02:40] 13.10 , kde 4.11.3 I guess. I allways forget the command. [02:40] the command to get the ubuntu version is ridiculous [02:40] lsb_what? lsb_something? lsb_version ? [02:40] That's why I use inxi. :) [02:41] lsb_release -a [02:41] cat /etc/debian_version is so easy [02:41] that too [02:41] but inxi makes it pretty [02:41] or -r [02:43] it is 13.10 [02:44] Well, out of my expertise. [02:44] Because of my chipset/gpu, I gotta stick with LTS. So, I know little about issues in kde 4.11 [02:45] Poisoned_Dragon: what chipset/gpu? [02:47] Intel 82852/855GM [02:47] After kernel 3.5, I have issues with the laptop lid button. [02:47] It's a common bug filed in launchpad and the forums. [02:49] Easier just to stay with LTS. If I'm feeling adventurous, I could install the quantal lts kernel package. [02:49] But I finally got kubuntu the way I like it. I don't feel like messing with i much more. Considering I'm more of an xfce guy, things seem to be working ok. [02:50] ima install 4.12 to join the cool crowd [02:50] lol [02:51] I thought about using the backports ppa. [02:51] But, I might just let things be. [02:51] I never let things be. [02:51] I'm having a few problems with themes on the latest KDE available in Kubuntu. Are there any known issues right now that weren't in previous versions? [02:52] I usually don't either. But this laptop is very particular. [02:53] you should check out the bugs section of the backports ppa, launchpad site. [02:53] testing prerelase kubuntus is a hooby of sorts for me, stable id fine for thode who need it. [02:53] It might have come up [02:53] id-is [02:54] If I had a less temperamental setup, I'd go for it. [02:54] * BluesKaj retrieves his glasses [02:54] But, not being able to use the latest kernel is bummer enough. [02:54] Since upgrading KDE+Kubuntu, I'm having these issues http://imgur.com/a/UHiQy (first two show how a window decoration is losing its gradient when a window is maximized) [02:54] I haven't found a laptop that isn't tempermental with linux [02:57] my issue with linux is the lack of a comprehensive audio suite, there's too much chaos [02:58] Trel: I had this once too. There is shomewhere a option to disable the rendering of the gradients on maximized windows. Looks like it is enabled on your system. [02:58] BluesKaj: agreed. I'm having alsa problems on 13.10 I installed on my desktop last night [02:58] Surprisingly, my eeepc 701 has been pretty good. [02:58] daniel1: any idea where, it must've been triggered when I upgraded kubuntu releases. [02:58] BluesKaj: trying to track down if it's a phonon, pulseaudio, or alsa problem is .... frustrating. [02:58] The biggest issue is the low resolution of the lcd. Can't overcome that [02:59] xixor, which audio chip ? [02:59] the problem is, that every effort to wrap up all of the linux audio, just makes another layer [02:59] daniel1: I'll look around, that's easy enough. [02:59] sort of a nightmare for all the a/v devels, all the time [03:00] there are still people using OSS! [03:00] BluesKaj: I'm not on the machine, I can't recall off the top of my head, the problem is that I have 3 audio devices, that all seem to work, just the ordering seems messed up... I think [03:01] alsa is perfectly capable and was until pulseaudio was forced down our throats [03:02] Could alsa handle multiple apps streaming audio at once? [03:02] that isn't how I experienced it [03:02] When you use plasma-desktop, how do you hide the titlebar for maximized app window just like in plasma-netbook? [03:02] I thought it was a one at a time thing. [03:03] but then I didn't have a clue how to fix things back in the day either [03:03] Pulseaudio seemed like a good thing at first though. But seeing it's state, and it's development, I'm really missing the old ALSA days. [03:03] ghil: to me it seems to get better over time [03:03] we used to advise people to remove PA in #amarok [03:04] it's been a few years since I had to make that suggestion [03:04] it is better than it was yes. and I'm glad, because now it's useable. [03:04] colin guthrie is awesome to work with [03:04] he's a great maintainer [03:05] daniel1: sorry to ask again, I can't find where it even might be, you have any clue where that setting was? [03:07] xixor, index settings in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf cab help solidify the order of importance for the sound drivers the devices use [03:08] I just think it's silly that it's 2013 and there doesn't seem to be a way for alsa to change the order of sound cards. So if I want to use my mobo audio instead of hdmi audio or my usb sound card, I gotta edit some cryptic file and which may or may not involve a reboot [03:08] wait [03:08] it's even sillier that I still think it's 2013 [03:09] lol [03:09] oh weit a minute that sound driver order i found yesterday [03:09] wait [03:09] just a thing though: editing some cryptic file is really more efficient to me than knee deep menus where every option is obscured and hidden through many levels. [03:10] Trel: I gues its shomewhere in application/workspace apperence. But i remember that it was rediculesly hard to find again. [03:10] the KDE phonon device order editing is pretty nice [03:10] daniel1: It wasn't spefcific to the decoratoin was it? [03:10] xixor, that's why i use VLC the audio settings in phonon can be chosen there for a particular audio device [03:11] Trel: No it was some kind of stupid thing that applied to all maximized windows [03:11] it's clunky but it works [03:11] BluesKaj: VLC can also choose the specific alsa device as well I think [03:11] BluesKaj: which I find strange because apparently there is no way with an alsa utility to change the order [03:11] yes , that what i was trying to say :) [03:11] or if there is, I haven't found it [03:12] Trel: might even be in window behavior [03:12] daniel1: ok, I'll keep looking, thanks [03:12] does someone know how i keep the flash video that i play in firefox fullscreen on my dual screen? [03:13] the audio devices defaults is hierarchal in alsa , but think it has to be to keep order [03:15] daniel1: I think I may have found what it's called [03:19] xixor, in alsa-base.conf index=0 is the driver for Card 0 in phonon and so on, and any driver setting with a - (minus) is ignored [03:20] Trel where was it ? [03:20] BluesKaj: Hm...... ok, I'll have to explore that, you might have to remind me of that when I'm back at that machine [03:20] daniel1: I didn't find it, but I think it's related to hiding borders on maximized windows. [03:20] yes [03:20] .. or maybe [03:21] BluesKaj: is it possible it is just a permission thing with /dev/dsp or something? I remember that being a common alsa problem back-in-the-day [03:21] xixor, np ,just remind me ,and we can go thru it [03:21] daniel1: if not, I can't find anything else, even via google [03:24] xixor, it could have been when the asoundrc file was still determining device order etc , but asoundrc has been dropped pulseaudio seems to have taken over that role for device inputs and outputs [03:24] Trel: you could try to make a new user acc to se if it is realy the setting I remember or something different. [03:25] BluesKaj: is the asoundrc file only in ~ ? [03:25] daniel1: I may as well, be right back [03:26] not sure xixor , I just became familiar with it after it was dropped [03:26] seen references on old alsa and OSS tutorials [03:27] yeah, I've seen it mentioned as well [03:27] there is also another tool, asoundconf I think it was, that I seen mentioned a lot on the web, but now it doesn't seem to be included [03:41] well, gotta go ...later folks [04:02] I haven't been able to tell the difference between any kde versions in a few years [05:05] Does anyone know if it is possible to disable copy/paste via middle-click? It is more a hindrance to me than it is helpful. [05:07] Lemme look [05:09] The problem is that the switch on my middle mbutton is very sentitive, and it likes to randomly paste stuff in documents that i am scrolling though.... [05:11] friti: open desktop properties [05:11] there you have tasks assigned to mouse buttons [05:11] remove of modify them [05:12] soee, gonna try that.... [05:12] Didn;t help [05:12] I forgot that was there. [05:13] friti: and what did you do ? [05:13] There appear to be at least 2 clipboards. One that holds the string that i copied via ctrl+c and the second that holds the middle-clicked selection [05:14] hi [05:14] soee: I went to Desktop Settings => Mouse actions and removed the middle-click action [05:15] Obiously, i have also clicked "apply" and "ok". [05:15] friti: maybe try to logout and login again [05:15] Yeah, i guess i wil give that a go.... [05:16] It will restart X and that may just do the trick [05:18] Nope, it still copy/pastes via middle-click. Gonna try a restart then. [05:25] Grrr... That didn;t work either [05:29] soee: So the restart didn't help. Is there something else that i could try? [05:37] friti: not sure i thought the desktop settings trick will do the job [05:37] you can also try to ask on #kde as it is to it related [05:40] Someone seems to have suggested EasyStroke as a solution. I am now looking into that [05:45] Hmmm... That seems to have helped, at least a little. [05:47] It will refuse a first middle click, but then a second will pass right through [05:52] Well, it will help at the very least. [05:53] In case you want to know, i followed this post : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1335587&page=3&p=11811126#post11811126 [07:35] sequedista.sequedista@gmail.com === root is now known as Guest53402 === ruben is now known as Guest53213 [09:27] join .help [09:27] join /help [09:28] hi === ruben_ is now known as Guest44431 === Steakanbake|slee is now known as Steakanbake === Vito_ is now known as Vito [12:07] on every start my desktop looks like I reinstalled my machine [12:07] Is there a fix for this? [12:47] Hiyas all === Steakanbake is now known as Steakanbake|slee [13:35] Good afternoon. [14:10] friti_: its your trackpad a multitouch one? [14:10] as it seems there is an issue with them [14:10] at the kernel level [14:11] friti_: not sure if this applies to your multitouch track pad but for sure applies to mine https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/967399 [14:11] Ubuntu bug 967399 in linux (Ubuntu) "[11.10] Elantech trackpoint does not work Lenovo " [High,In progress] === xss is now known as xsstorm [14:58] eagles0513875: I do not have a track pad. I don;t know where you got that idea. [14:59] sorry friti_ only saw half the discussion [14:59] I just want to disable copy/paste on middle mouse click [15:09] friti_: you checked in settings? [15:09] You mean System Settings? Yes [15:11] should be able to adjust the settings from the input section in terms of mouse and track pad etc [15:13] There is no way to adjust mouse button actions from there, for as far as i can tell. However, right-click desktop, then choose settings (i use folder view, so i would choose Folder Settings), then choose "Mouse Actions", where i have already removed the middle-mouse click action [15:14] Other than that, my only option would be to disable the middle mbtn in X altogether, but i definitely don;t want to do that [16:26] !cloak [16:26] To get any kind of cloak (ubuntu member or any other kind) you first need to set up your nick as detailed in this FAQ: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup - For Ubuntu member cloaks, ask in #ubuntu-irc and provide your launchpad page, for unaffiliated ones, ask in #freenode. === c_ is now known as Guest8133 === SpeedRacer is now known as SonikkuAmerica === thib is now known as PoseurDePneus === Steakanbake|slee is now known as Steakanbake === Steakanbake is now known as Steakanbake|slee [19:57] The kwin-style-dekorator package is broken on my system. It requires removing kde-window-manager and installing kde-window-manager-active (which does not work), where as if I compile dekorator myself, it work just fine with kde-window-manager === dorota_ is now known as Dorotea_ [20:39] ok i installed the kunbuntu desktop [20:39] my icons keep disappearing off my desktop after i add apps there lol [20:39] its like random which ones stick [21:00] i have that also [21:00] i have a bit wondered why is that so [21:05] hi [21:06] i have a problem with openvpn client! [21:06] can anybody help me!? [21:09] alihk: What is your problem? [21:09] i just now install kubuntu 13.10 [21:10] before this i have ubuntu 13.10 and then install kde desktop! [21:10] in ubuntu with kde i have openopn i its works fine [21:10] but in kubuntu openvpn doesnt work! [21:11] alihk: Define "doesn't work". Do you get an error? [21:11] no its just doesnt work! [21:11] pptp works fine! [21:11] but openvpn !! Nope [21:12] alihk, openvpn works here , do you have network-manager-openvpn installed? [21:13] where can i find that this package installed?? [21:13] i dont know [21:14] look in the muon package manager for it, or sudo apt-get install network-manager-openvpn [21:14] alihk: Open a terminal and run "apt-cache policy network-manager-openvpn" [21:15] its not installed! [21:15] i run installation [21:18] then you have to open the panel toolbox and search for network manager and install it by clicking on it so that NM appears in the panel === kubuntu is now known as Guest10457 [22:09] when muon will be fixed? Anyone knows? [22:10] its three months since 13.10 release and still muon updater crashes and/or not installing updates [22:11] was this muon software piece created for masohists? [22:14] Promethes: Use [ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ] for the time being. Also can't you update using Muon's package manager? [22:16] SonikkuAmerica: I can, but i have many PC's with kubuntu on board at my work and i really miss dead simple updater [22:16] that works [22:18] (This is reason #827348 why I don't use KDE at all anymore.) [22:19] there havent been much updates anyway [22:37] whats the best file explorer [22:37] is dolphin good === kubuntu is now known as Guest19021 === S-USA is now known as SonikkuAmerica [23:24] jk [23:45] anyone know i good way to remote control my pc with my android phone? === Steakanbake|slee is now known as Steakanbake [23:57] stunner: have you tried kdeconnect? [23:57] I have it, and it works really well [23:58] you install the package on your computer, then get the app from Google Play, and pair [23:59] it will even control your TV or Blu-ray player