[07:00] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:04] <MartijnVdS> \o MooDoo
[07:04] <MartijnVdS> you're up early today :)
[07:04]  * MartijnVdS hasn't even put the kettle on yet 8-)
[07:06] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: start work at 7
[07:10] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: 8 here :)
[07:14] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: my choice though...I must be mad :S
[07:14] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: do you work from home?
[07:14]  * MartijnVdS has a 1 hour commute (best case, no delays etc)
[07:19] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: no about 30 mins from where I live.
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> that makes it a bit easier to start at 7 ;)
[07:20] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: yeah, especially seeing as my sister drives me into work :D
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> :)
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> so you get 30 minutes of sleep extra?
[07:21] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: nah always up at 5:30
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> wow
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> though also, you get to go home early, right?
[07:33] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: yeah 3:30 finish
[08:12] <MooDoo> ubuntu spotted - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25584644
[08:13] <MooDoo> looks like they are using terminator too
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> no better way to h4x0r banks :)
[09:12] <foobarry> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/952953995/bluetooth-zx-spectrum-recreating-the-sinclair-zx-s seen this?
[09:15] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:17] <bashrc> g'day
[09:17] <MooDoo> morning
[09:21] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:22] <MooDoo> how are you SuperMatt feeling better?
[09:22] <SuperMatt> a wee bit
[09:22] <SuperMatt> I think I have nandos to thank for that
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> for the feeling better, or the feeling bad?
[09:23] <SuperMatt> feeling better
[09:23] <SuperMatt> cleared my sinuses
[09:23] <foobarry> wee bit? urine infection?
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: it's like a fitbit, but to measure "liquid flow" ;)
[09:24] <SuperMatt> I...
[09:24] <SuperMatt> what?
[09:24] <SuperMatt> no urine infections
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> yeah, keep that away from your sinuses ;)
[09:25] <SuperMatt> what is wrong with you people?
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> <- Dutch
[09:25] <bigcalm> Hehe
[09:31] <andylockran> Howdy folks
[09:32] <popey> Morning
[09:36] <MooDoo> mornign
[09:37] <brobostigon> morning everyone,
[09:39] <foobarry> hey blue skies!
[09:39] <SuperMatt> LIES!
[09:39] <foobarry> was grim first thing
[09:42] <bigcalm> Same here. Amazed to see sunshine
[09:43] <foobarry> can't see the sun from my dungeon office, but can see sky through the crack
[09:43] <bashrc> it won't last long
[09:44] <popey> bigcalm: I added "Escape to quit" from asteroids, and made the ships loop around
[09:44] <popey> oh and added a starfield background
[09:44] <popey> need to add more game features later
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> popey: are there ship collisions?
[09:47] <popey> they bump but no damage yet
[09:50] <bigcalm> popey: nice one
[10:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:06] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 :D  how are you?
[10:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: good thanks you?
[10:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah ok thanks :D
[10:21] <foobarry> found some roses chocs i put in the pocket of my hoodie yay
[10:21] <MooDoo> foobarry: nice n melty?
[10:22] <foobarry> not bad
[10:37] <foobarry> just received 4 steam account activation codes..
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> ?
[10:39] <bigcalm> Rather delayed email
[10:41] <foobarry> somebody else thinks they have my username
[10:42]  * dwatkins notes that yet another american has written a telephone number like it's US internal, when actually it's a Danish mobile number
[10:43] <dwatkins> the plus symbol seems to elude many people
[10:43] <foobarry> skyrim for 3.74, wow
[10:43] <dwatkins> ...or just confuse them
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: "not America" confuses americans
[10:43] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: indeed
[10:43] <foobarry> shame i don't play pc games
[10:44] <dwatkins> I'm sure some people think England is located somewhere on the east coast near Newfoundland
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: near New England
[10:45] <dwatkins> indeed, MartijnVdS
[10:45] <dwatkins> just like York is a mere stone's throw from New York...
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: s/York/Amsterdam/g
[10:46] <dwatkins> haha
[10:46] <foobarry> amsterdam is named after a giant wall of hamsters
[10:46] <foobarry> #truefacts
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: nah, we pronounce our 'H'
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: it's the Americans who don't ("erbs"? really?)
[10:47] <foobarry> bit like first day of minecraft? http://store.steampowered.com/app/252490
[10:48] <dwatkins> foobarry: I know you're kidding, but you might find this map of literal names interesting... http://i.imgur.com/ZDPOsoH.jpg
[10:48] <dwatkins> Apparently, I live in Slopecastle.
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> I like how Dublin is also Blackpool 8-)
[10:49] <foobarry> dwatkins: would be good topic for a tea towel.
[10:50] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: is 'eng' the Dutch word for 'angled' or is it something like 'narrow'?
[10:50] <dwatkins> I like your thinking, foobarry ... *checks zazzle*
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: It's an old word for "narrow" (or a common word for "scary")
[10:51] <dwatkins> You can get pillows printed, but not teatowels, sadly.
[10:51] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: so the translations are wrong, maybe... the region should be called "The narrow country"
[10:51] <foobarry> where did you find the pic?
[10:51] <dwatkins> "Channel of the narrow country"
[10:51] <dwatkins> foobarry: http://www.reddit.com/r/mapporn#page=2
[10:52] <dwatkins> source: http://www.kalimedia.com/Atlas_of_True_Names.html
[10:53] <dwatkins> sadly they don't sell a poster version for the complete map of Europe
[10:53] <foobarry> http://www.thisisjersey.com/news/2013/09/28/oap-smashes-up-roulette-machines/
[10:54] <popey> Rust looks pretty
[10:54] <foobarry> popey: yeah
[10:54] <foobarry> except everyone is naked
[10:55] <foobarry> until you kill something, so not that pretty...cavemen..
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: well, until you build a fort and steal clothes.. or something
[10:55] <foobarry> "place of wocca's people". wonder what town that is
[10:55] <foobarry> north of guildford
[10:55] <dwatkins> Wokingham
[10:55] <foobarry> ah.
[10:56] <dwatkins> Rust looks neat, but hoe come you get airdrops if you're making weapons out of sticks?
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it's post-apocalypse
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: so more "back to the stone-age" than "first time around stone-age"
[10:57] <foobarry> convenient
[10:57] <dwatkins> ah ok
[11:00] <foobarry> oracle sent an email to me with an animated signature gif of a penguin walking along the oracle logo :-|
[11:02] <dwatkins> does your e-mail client display it inline?
[11:06] <foobarry> yes
[11:06] <foobarry> thunderbird
[11:09] <dwatkins> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Ry6jD83DGao/Ur2p-P0bjNI/AAAAAAAAJSU/Ms_JpnJ1C4Q/w500-h700-no/2013+-+1.gif - I'm tempted to e-mail this to someone now
[11:12] <foobarry> screenshot from rust.
[11:12] <dwatkins> impressive realism
[11:12] <foobarry> much real
[11:12] <foobarry> woops, its 2014. doge is dead
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> such sad
[11:22]  * popey slaps MartijnVdS 
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> :(
[11:23] <neuro> woop woop that's the sound of the police
[11:23] <neuro> woop woop that's the sound of the netsplit
[11:24] <neuro> happy new year ubuntuers
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> you too, neuroman
[11:30] <dwatkins> why do people feel the need to implement their own drop-down boxes in javascript?
[11:42] <foobarry> doh, changed a password before xmas and didn't write it down
[11:48] <bashrc> #fail
[11:48] <bashrc> use keepassx
[11:49] <foobarry> i do
[11:49] <foobarry> ...usually
[11:49] <foobarry> i did what sherlock does and managed to remember
[11:50] <bashrc> I use it for all but a couple of passwords now.
[11:50] <bashrc> braindb
[11:54]  * popey hugs lastpass
[11:54] <popey> and a gpg encrypted text file
[11:57]  * foobarry thinks about luncheon
[12:15] <foobarry> argh more rain
[12:20] <foobarry> which part of a boiled egg is good for you? white or yolk?
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> yes.
[12:21] <MooDoo> http://www.fitsugar.com/Egg-Whites-Healthier-Than-Egg-Yolks-364527
[12:21] <AlanBell> all of it, the white is basically just protene
[12:22] <foobarry> the yolk is the eggy bit though so i can eat the white bit without it repeating on me
[12:24] <foobarry> its amazing how much good stuff is in an egg
[12:27] <popey> i suddenly want to eat an avacado pear
[12:30] <foobarry> youtube subtitling needs fixing for northern accents: "i had an absolute nightmare and the flaps kept falling off on me" becomes: http://i.imgur.com/O8oLXgo.png
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> it reads Northern enoguh
[12:33]  * popey boggles at all that grey
[12:34] <foobarry> i haz pixels to burn
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> ♫ Burn baby burn / Pixel inferno ?
[12:35] <foobarry> bottom bar shouldn't have been there
[12:39] <popey> thunder and lightning!
[12:39] <popey> and wind and rain
[12:39] <foobarry> very very frightening
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> galileo?
[12:50] <dwatkins> Galileo
[12:52] <MooDoo> sounds magnifico to me
[12:55] <davmor2> figureo, will you let me go?
[12:57] <MooDoo> no  no no no no no no
[13:02] <foobarry> thunder and lightning reached e1
[13:05] <davmor2> no thunder or lightning here, now I'm gutted, I wants thunderstorms too
[13:05] <foobarry> i was supposed to be carrying a server to another building
[13:05] <foobarry> not happening now
[13:13] <davmor2> foobarry: wuss ;)
[13:21] <brobostigon> [ 4495.638667] gspca_zc3xx 1-1.2:1.0: URB error -71, resubmittinggspca_zc3xx 1-1.2:1.0: URB error -71, resubmitting
[13:21] <brobostigon> does anyone recognise this error in dmesg?
[13:22] <foobarry> usb camera?
[13:22] <brobostigon> yes.
[13:24] <foobarry> checked the header file for the -71 error?
[13:25] <brobostigon> the header file of the gspca driver?
[13:25] <foobarry> i assumed so
[13:25] <brobostigon> ok,
[13:26] <foobarry> +PDEBUG(D_ERR, "URB error %i, resubmitting", urb->status);
[13:27] <foobarry> what version you running btw?
[13:27] <brobostigon> gspca ?
[13:27] <foobarry> yes
[13:32] <brobostigon> Linux raspberrypi 3.10.25+ #618 PREEMPT Thu Jan 2 20:00:10 GMT 2014 armv6l GNU/Linux
[13:32] <brobostigon>  thats the kernel version, how do i find out?
[13:33] <foobarry> was just looking at http://kerneldox.com/kdox-linux-2.6/d5/d3e/gspca_8c_source.html
[13:33] <brobostigon> ok.
[13:34] <foobarry> not sure the version is defined elsewhere than the source file
[13:34] <brobostigon> ok,
[13:38] <popey> KiB Mem:   8056528 total,  6706484 used,  1350044 free,    23844 buffers
[13:38] <popey> KiB Swap:  8267772 total,  8254572 used,    13200 free,   891384 cached
[13:38] <popey> hmm
[13:40] <foobarry> brobostigon: In Linux 2.6, unlike earlier versions, interrupt URBs are not automagically
[13:40] <foobarry> restarted when they complete.  They end when the completion handler is
[13:40] <foobarry> called, just like other URBs.  If you want an interrupt URB to be restarted,
[13:40] <foobarry> your completion handler must resubmit it
[13:40] <brobostigon> foobarry: what does that mean?
[13:41] <foobarry> i'm wondering if its a notification rather than an error
[13:42] <foobarry> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/usb/URB.txt
[13:42] <foobarry> An URB consists of all relevant information to execute any USB transaction  and deliver the data and status back.
[14:09] <popey> saw this and thought of bigcalm http://imgur.com/a/VIthk
[14:10] <bigcalm> popey: nice script
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> I couldn't do that without getting my hand all inky
[14:10] <bigcalm> And a nice nib
[14:11] <bigcalm> Not all FP nibs do that. They have to be flexible and intended for such action
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> fpgeek alert :P
[14:15] <SuperMatt> MartijnVdS: lefty?
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: yes
[14:15] <SuperMatt> you poor, sinister thing
[14:16] <MartijnVdS> nah, lefties rule! :)
[14:16] <foobarry> +1
[14:16] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: http://www.reddit.com/r/southpaws
[14:16] <MooDoo> I'm ambedextrous :p
[14:16] <nigelb> MooDoo: wow.
[14:16] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: not ambisinister?
[14:16] <SuperMatt> MartijnVdS: you can't be that great if you need your own support group :P
[14:16] <nigelb> hahahaha
[14:17] <foobarry> i'm lefty when writing and cutting with scissors, righty for most other things
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: support group, or "planning to take over the world" group? :)
[14:17] <SuperMatt> definitely support
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: Good, you keep thinking that ;)
[14:17] <SuperMatt> "ooh, somebody help me please. I can't get these scissors working"
[14:17] <foobarry> interestingly i'm lefty with a paintbrush for detail work, righty for airbrush and house painting
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: Scissors are fake.
[14:17] <SuperMatt> "how do I open this tin can? why is my life so awful?"
[14:17] <foobarry> SuperMatt: i have some left handed scissors, my wife used them and finally i got some sympathy
[14:18] <SuperMatt> sympathy is for the weak
[14:19] <foobarry> even facebook is quiet today
[14:19] <SuperMatt> I guess there just aren't many people at work toady
[14:19] <foobarry> realised i took delivery of a server and they sent the cpu, ram, raid card, all separate. i hate IBM
[14:20] <SuperMatt> I should have had the foresight to take these two days off
[14:20] <foobarry> i dunno, at least i can take a busy day off later
[14:20] <SuperMatt> well, there are no busy days for me now
[14:20] <SuperMatt> aint no one gonna give me any real work to do
[14:20] <foobarry> coasting into the finish line
[14:20] <SuperMatt> indeed
[14:21] <SuperMatt> I'm so bored, I'm actually doing my timesheet *ahead* of schedule
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: so, prefilling it with what you think you'll be doing?
[14:21] <SuperMatt> well no
[14:21] <SuperMatt> I'm just filling in this week's today
[14:21] <SuperMatt> rather than doing it next week
[14:22] <SuperMatt> though I guess I could pre-fill
[14:25] <SuperMatt> ok, all three of my timesheets are done, I just have to remember to submit them on the right days
[14:30] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I'll join your sinister club, MooDoo I always thought you swung both ways :D
[14:46] <Monotoko> I have found 8 undocumented servers...
[14:46] <Monotoko> so far
[14:46] <Monotoko> >.>
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: time to turn them off and see who comes complaining
[14:47] <Monotoko> MartijnVdS: no idea how to get into them... they're not in the password file I was given
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: pull the plug?
[14:47] <Monotoko> so short of calling the DC and asking them to start pulling plugs
[14:47] <Monotoko> yeah I was getting there
[14:47] <Monotoko> :P
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: you could just disable the router ports
[14:48] <Monotoko> MartijnVdS: also controlled by the DC... they have some odd cisco firewalls... we're leaving that DC shortly and I thought we only had 4 or so servers in there
[14:48] <Monotoko> just checked the old admins email... she is getting active reports from servers that shouldn't exist from two hours ago
[14:49] <MartijnVdS> interdasting
[15:02] <Monotoko> more interesting, the boss says we aren't being charged for them
[15:12] <gordonjcp> Monotoko: torrent boxes
[15:13] <Monotoko> I keep being told that they're not on, even though I have a process report from 2 hours ago that clearly shows they are on and certainly doing something :P
[15:15] <SuperMatt> opinions on nabbing a 200 line script you wrote at work to use elsewhere... go!
[15:16] <foobarry> check your contract
[15:16] <foobarry> do they forbid writing open source code? open source it!
[15:16] <SuperMatt> it's not really worth open sourcing
[15:16] <foobarry> but yes i always take code i write with the intention of re-using it...never do
[15:17] <Monotoko> I open sourced a buttload of code I spent days slaving over at my old job
[15:17] <SuperMatt> surely to open source some code, I'd need to get legal's approval?
[15:18] <Monotoko> The company I was at closed a few months after I left... there was me and a support guy
[15:19] <SuperMatt> ouchers
[15:21] <Monotoko> knew I'd gone into a dying company a little too late
[15:25] <SuperMatt> starting any job is fraught with those sorts of things
[15:25] <SuperMatt> like, you can find out everything you know about a company and the role you're supposed to be doing, but you may still end up cleaning the toilets
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> I spent only one month at my previous job..
[15:39] <foobarry> but the toilets were very clean for that month
[15:40] <Monotoko> hah, I spent 5 months down there... got there, realised my mistake almost instantly but had already relocated
[15:40] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: they were, but that's because $employer installed *cameras*
[15:40] <Monotoko> so it took me 5 months to try to find another job and relocate again
[15:43] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: or get a work-from-home type of job? :)
[15:43] <popey> My very first job lasted 6 months, got made redundant.
[15:43] <popey> Company moved to Essex and I didn't want to go.
[15:43] <Monotoko> MartijnVdS: the problem with that, is 99% of it is marketing bullsh*t
[15:44] <MartijnVdS> popey: essex isn't that bad is it?
[15:44] <popey> Yes.
[15:45] <foobarry> its ok actually
[15:46] <popey> the bit they were moving to wasnt
[15:46] <foobarry> chavtown?
[15:46] <MartijnVdS> -on-sea?
[15:47] <foobarry> you got it
[15:48] <foobarry> i had this rubber thing 2 years before i knew what it was. am i using it correctly now i wonder? http://ubuntuone.com/015kUdNlUJx75qGk097ZfK
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> is that what those are for?!
[15:49] <foobarry> not sure if i should wind it round or end to end
[15:49] <foobarry> also a packet of after eights leaked on the wire
[15:49] <MartijnVdS> this looks correct, except I'd use it the other way around
[15:49] <MartijnVdS> with the headphone end in the easy-to-remove side
[15:50] <foobarry> both easy side
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> ah then it's good like this
[15:50] <foobarry> end to end requires bigger cable management holes
[15:50] <foobarry> all the best toys come as freebies i pick up at shows
[18:02] <Myrtti> ok, back from all hands at a ski resort, I got my supplies I requested - including a 1TB hdd for backups. Now, the question is, which filesystem should I put on it?
[18:04] <IdleOne> ext4 unless you need read/write support from windows
[18:04] <IdleOne> otherwise NTFS
[18:04]  * popey hugs btrfs
[18:04] <IdleOne> until it asplodes
[18:06] <popey> Yeah, people say that.
[18:06] <popey> mostly people who don't use btrfs ☻
[18:06] <IdleOne> I have never used it but LjL has and he had a lot of problems.
[18:07] <IdleOne> that doesn't mean that it doesn't work great for you :)
[18:08] <xnox> popey: don't temp me to upload patch "if login = popey...."
[18:08] <xnox> =)
[18:08] <popey> hah
[18:08] <popey> I had a failure over xmas
[18:08] <popey> one of my disks had a problem, could be cable issue
[18:09] <popey> I powered down, detached all disks, re-attached and rebooted, all fine.
[18:09] <popey>         corrected errors: 14547, uncorrectable errors: 0, unverified errors: 0
[18:09] <popey> still scrubbing now
[18:14]  * gordonjcp has just binned some hard disks
[18:36] <popey>         corrected errors: 31439, uncorrectable errors: 0, unverified errors: 0
[18:36] <popey> still climbing ☻
[18:54] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:01] <sebsebseb> AlanBell and/or popey ping
[19:01] <sebsebseb> need to ask you about something really
[19:06] <popey> sebsebseb: ask away
[19:06] <sebsebseb> popey: ok  helping to organise still (even though my own distro and  choosen interface got out voted),  an event  with some people from the LUG
[19:06] <davmor2> popey: is this the equivalent of watching the log on raid rebuild?
[19:06] <sebsebseb> we need some offical Ubuntu diss and   anything else like that really, to give away
[19:07] <sebsebseb> discs above
[19:07] <popey> Cool, yeah, I think AlanBell can sort that
[19:07] <sebsebseb> popey: can you help with this?
[19:07] <sebsebseb> yeah someone emailed him, but didn't get a reply, now I am down for sorting out most of the merchandice except for one of the distor's
[19:08] <sebsebseb> need Ubuntu 13.10  discs  and  other freebies for the distro's
[19:08] <sebsebseb> popey: didn't you used to sort out that kind of thing?
[19:08] <popey> AlanBell is the man to speak to
[19:09] <AlanBell> o/
[19:09] <davmor2> popey: yeah if you can wrestle them away from his Chickens
[19:09] <sebsebseb> yes thought so, but I thought you might have been able to help a well, anyway here he is it seems then
[19:09] <AlanBell> hi sebsebseb
[19:09] <sebsebseb> AlanBell: hi
[19:10] <AlanBell> I have very few disks now, maybe 5 or so left
[19:10] <sebsebseb> AlanBell: yep we got an event coming up in March and I am responsible for getting most of the freebies sorted out now
[19:10] <AlanBell> if that
[19:10] <sebsebseb> oh of Ubuntu 13.10 ?
[19:10] <sebsebseb> ,but Ubuntu stickers and anything else you can give us like that for free, is also wanted really
[19:10] <popey> i wouldn't distribute 13.10, it doesn't have a long shelf life
[19:10] <AlanBell> no, they didn't press that one at all
[19:11] <AlanBell> I have no 13.10 disks, not sure they exist at all
[19:11] <sebsebseb> popey I know what you mean, but the event is 15th March
[19:11] <xnox> AlanBell: last pressed release was 12.10, and still piles in the office =)
[19:11] <sebsebseb> they are going with remasters of distro's actsaully that they have choosen,  but also want some official discs
[19:11] <sebsebseb> popey: are you saying the LTS would be better to go for?
[19:12] <xnox> AlanBell: next one to press, i think will be 14.04. (At least in 2013 that was the plan that LTS will still get pressed)
[19:12] <popey> yes
[19:12] <xnox> popey: 14.04 that is, right?! =)
[19:12] <sebsebseb> AlanBell: have you got any discs for the LTS?
[19:12] <sebsebseb> the current LTS
[19:12] <popey> yes
[19:12] <AlanBell> not sure I have any 12.04 left, certainly not many
[19:12] <AlanBell> might have some server ones (which nobody wants)
[19:13] <xnox> sebsebseb: not sure what the point in that would be. It will be 12.04.0, which has two years of update which will be >>700MB of downloads.
[19:13] <xnox> sebsebseb: thus you are better off downloading a fresher iso, e.g. 12.04.3
[19:13] <sebsebseb> xnox: of which?
[19:13] <sebsebseb> oh I see
[19:13] <sebsebseb> of the 12.04
[19:13] <AlanBell> yeah, that would be a fairly nasty introduction to the distro now really
[19:13] <popey> yeah
[19:14] <popey> true
[19:14] <sebsebseb> for this event atsauly what is happening is this:   they are going to have some demo computers, and then give out re msters with pre instaled this and that
[19:14] <xnox> sebsebseb: all OEMs rebase on top of point releases, but i don't think we "repress" LTS CDs.
[19:14] <sebsebseb> ,but still ant some offical discs for the distro's as well
[19:14] <popey> the only re-press we did was 8.04.1 with the SSH fix
[19:14] <xnox> sebsebseb: oh for giving out, any will do =)
[19:15] <xnox> popey: i did not know that =)
[19:15] <sebsebseb> also if anyone has  any idea's for event feedback forms, or suggestions for the questions, I am all open, since I am down to sorting that out as well,  and some kind of Libre Office info flyer/handout
[19:15] <sebsebseb> a template even for such form
[19:15] <AlanBell> what is the event?
[19:15] <sebsebseb> an even that will probably be quite small
[19:15] <sebsebseb> a local thing
[19:16] <sebsebseb> ,but that is also aimed at the general public
[19:16] <sebsebseb> meant to get people  to switch from WIndows to a Linux distro that's the idea
[19:16] <sebsebseb> AlanBell: I don't know if you read that email, but someone emailed you about it already, the Bristol event
[19:16] <sebsebseb> Linux Live 2014
[19:18]  * AlanBell fails to find such an email
[19:18] <sebsebseb> ok well no problem
[19:18] <sebsebseb> ,but we want some offical discs if possible,  and anything else e.g. stickers
[19:20] <sebsebseb> so if you can provide anything, that's greaty appreciated, and thanks in advanced :)
[19:20] <AlanBell> they were doing conference packs, but shipping was messy, they came with my name on it to wherever they were going, so the shipments got refused and sent back
[19:20] <sebsebseb> oh what's this?
[19:20] <AlanBell> not sure if they are doing those at the moment until the next LTS
[19:22] <sebsebseb> Mint is another distro that was choosen, that's probably going to be difficult to get anything for.   openSUSE on the other hand which is also in, well no problem there it seems
[19:22] <ali1234> is there any way to make thunderbird's address book not suck?
[19:22] <ali1234> by default it has two address books, ubuntu adds a third, and if you want to sync with anything, it adds another one
[19:23] <ali1234> and there is no way to search all address books at the same time, or delete the built in ones
[19:24] <ali1234> also there is no working contact search for unity
[19:26] <AlanBell> sebsebseb: I really think Canonical is in a bit of a holding pattern until the phone and Unity 8 on the desktop comes out, I am not even sure if the 14.04 LTS will be a big deal
[19:26] <sebsebseb> AlanBell: oh?
[19:27] <AlanBell> well 14.04 doesn't get the new hotness that they are working on, no Mir, no unity8
[19:27] <sebsebseb> yeah things will bbe pretty much the same until Unit 8  I guess
[19:27] <sebsebseb> yeah thought htat's what you meant and indeed
[19:27] <ali1234> also, if you import an account from outlook express, any time you send an email it will be From: "Imported Identity" instead of your actual name
[19:27] <AlanBell> and they are talking about convergence all the time and this will kind of not be convergence
[19:27] <sebsebseb> what's that convergence thing?
[19:27] <sebsebseb> the running on more than one deice thing or
[19:28] <AlanBell> running Mir and QML as the desktop shel
[19:28] <AlanBell> on all the things
[19:28] <sebsebseb> AlanBell: maybe the freebies will just be openSUSE for this event uh
[19:28] <sebsebseb> and  some od stuff from Linux Format
[19:28] <sebsebseb> magazines anyway  to read or whatever the idea was
[19:29] <sebsebseb> AlanBell: maybe I can get some stuff in Belgium when I go to FOSDEM,   from the Belgium Ubuntu loco,  or whoever is running the stand, if there is one, which there probably wil be hmm
[19:29] <AlanBell> that is a good idea
[19:30] <sebsebseb> altough last year 2013,  I got a disc there, and they had some stickers they made, and that was about it
[19:30] <sebsebseb> ,but really you don't have anything that you can send us really? for a small event
[19:31] <sebsebseb> as in any Ubuntu merchandice,  whatever it may be
[19:44] <sebsebseb> back
[19:45] <sebsebseb> computer issue, well screen issue really,  since on netbook, and the interface  I was on etc
[19:46] <sebsebseb> AlanBell: so anyway going back to what yu were saying, indeed I don't think 14.04 will be that speial really either
[19:46] <sebsebseb> since no Unity 8 or Mir
[19:46] <sebsebseb> by default
[19:47] <AlanBell> I think it will be good, but I don't think they are going to make a huge fuss about it
[19:47] <AlanBell> it doesn't really fit the narative  :)
[19:47] <sebsebseb> well  it will be ike many other distor's mainly
[19:47] <sebsebseb> just mainly the later upstream this and that
[19:47] <sebsebseb> and not much else really
[19:48] <AlanBell> yeah, unity8 on the desktop is going to be pretty wacky
[19:48] <sebsebseb> wacky in a good or bad way?  you mean good way?
[19:48] <AlanBell> dragging from the right edge to flip between apps etc
[19:49] <AlanBell> and the indicator thing where they come down and side-swipe
[19:49] <sebsebseb> I don't know really not used a preview even
[19:49] <popey> Don't assume it'll be the same.
[19:50] <sebsebseb> may have seen some screenshots some where or something, but other then that in that case, nothing
[19:51] <AlanBell> I don't think there are desktop screenshots yet, but the phone is somewhat available
[19:51] <sebsebseb> I got to do a little specch yesterday
[19:51] <sebsebseb> at something
[19:51] <sebsebseb> for  well two minutes at most
[19:52] <sebsebseb> I mentioend alternatie phone OS'S  such as Ubuntu Phone and  Firefox OS :d
[19:52] <AlanBell> popey: the desktop won't be the same as the phone or the desktop won't be the same as the current desktop?
[19:52] <AlanBell> or both?
[19:52] <sebsebseb> and how I would like to see Ubuntu Phone go main streame in 2014
[19:52] <sebsebseb> and FIrefox OS  go main strema in the developed world to
[19:52] <sebsebseb> and such
[19:52] <popey> unity8 on phone/tablet/desktop/tv wont work identically, because it makes no sense
[19:53] <popey> People assuming desktop will be the same as phone are as mad as assuming phone is the same as desktop
[19:53] <popey> which it isnt
[19:53] <AlanBell> but convergence!
[19:53] <popey> same code base
[19:53] <AlanBell> won't there be similarities?
[19:53] <popey> doesn't mean works identically
[19:53] <popey> yes
[19:53] <popey> but there are degrees of similarity
[19:53] <popey> similar != identical
[19:53] <AlanBell> more than there are at the moment?
[19:54] <AlanBell> I was expecting it to be closer because right now using the desktop doesn't help you at all in terms of using the phone
[19:55] <popey> right, so unity8 will look somewhat more like unity8 on the phone does, and operate somewhat similar to unity7 on the desktop does
[19:56] <sebsebseb> popey: heh heh you don't even know what it will look like seriously?   and you work for Canonical now :d
[19:56] <popey> *sigh*
[19:57] <AlanBell> popey does know what it will look like, I don't
[19:57] <popey> i dont
[19:57] <sebsebseb> popey: oh maybe I miss read that,  thought you were asking a quesiton
[19:57] <popey> design team may change things between now and release date
[19:57] <AlanBell> well I guess we will all find out together when they start working on it
[19:58] <AlanBell> presume we have to wait until 14.10 repos go live to see anything
[19:58] <popey> i expect before then
[19:58] <popey> as there will be previews in 14.04 AIUI
[19:58] <AlanBell> oooh
[20:00] <AlanBell> I haven't tried any of the Mir stuff since they backed out of it for the default configuration
[20:01] <AlanBell> xmir was surprisingly OK
[20:24] <AlanBell> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25584644 I spy with my little eye
[20:24] <AlanBell> Unity 2d?
[20:25] <AlanBell> black launcher background and old style BFB I think
[20:31] <popey> could be
[20:32] <popey> previously used at http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/25/north-korea-south-websites-hacking-cyber-attack
[20:33] <AlanBell> heh, and lots of other cybercrime stories
[22:30] <popey> hah, "neuro is online"