[00:04] <i_tom> valorie: how come kdeconnect controls your tv or player ?
[00:04] <i_tom> sounds neat
[00:06] <valorie> through the bluetooth, if they are available
[00:06] <valorie> don't take this as gospel from me, because I believe my phone (htc one) also has a tv controller in it
[00:07] <i_tom> oh, my tv is very basic, it hasn't any wifi or bluetooth capabilites, it's just aerial and hdmi :(
[00:07] <valorie> although when I tried to set it up, the settings didn't save
[00:07] <valorie> ok
[00:07] <i_tom> but I look forward to buying anew one
[00:07] <i_tom> soon
[00:07] <i_tom> so kdeconnect would be an option
[00:07] <i_tom> what about that settings problem
[00:08] <i_tom> when you restart the app, all the settings are set to their defaults ?
[00:08] <valorie> I think that was with the phone itself, not with kdeconnect
[00:08] <stunner> i have to check that out i had used vnc for windows and bought the app but i have to try that
[00:08] <valorie> I haven't investigated, because I don't want to use my phone for that
[00:08] <valorie> bought which app?
[00:08] <i_tom> what was your phone back then, just curious
[00:08] <valorie> kdeconnect is free
[00:08] <stunner> vnc viewer
[00:08] <valorie> ah
[00:09] <stunner> for the phone
[00:09] <valorie> i_tom: this is my new phone, the htc one
[00:09] <stunner> i have a galaxy s2
[00:09] <valorie> never tried anything with my old phone, which was a thunderbolt, because it was sub-optimal, let us say
[00:10] <i_tom> I see
[00:12] <valorie> with the new phone, it works well
[00:13] <valorie> I was so happy to be able to control amarok playing music even when the screen was locked, while I was wrapping Xmas presents
[00:17] <stunner> as i read into it it seems kde connect is using the same network i would want to use mobile network or a different lan once in a while to access my desktop though
[00:19] <stunner> in windows i used my external ip worked great
[00:31] <valorie> stunner: it's bluetooth
[00:41] <eksip_> dd
[00:49] <James0r> there a way to display the time as 7:49PM instead of 07:49
[00:49] <James0r> the leading zero is a little strange looking
[00:55] <James0r> finally found a conky config that i like with KDE. Conky Lua, looks really nice. not too imposing
[02:16] <Ataraxzy> Poke poke.
[02:20] <Ataraxzy> Question: In System Settings -> Workspace Behavior -> Screen Edges, I only have the four corners available, yet yesterday, I had more, both the top and sides.  Where might I find the dialog to restore the missing edge-points.
[02:28] <soee> Ataraxzy: under this settings you have Switch screen on edges
[02:29] <soee> if you change it to first option
[02:29] <soee> you will get back all positions
[02:30] <Ataraxzy> first option? Awesome!
[02:30] <Ataraxzy> Yup! that was it.  Too easy.  Sometimes it's so easy it's hard. :P
[02:33] <soee> ;]
[04:05] <tom_> hello
[04:06] <tom_> anyone on?
[04:06] <tom_> ok
[04:12] <Trel> Under what circumstances would kde-window-decorator-active fail to load when the non-active version works fine?
[04:52] <RiotingPacifist> loginctl list-sessions and ck-list-sessions don't show the same info and this is breaking nmcli, is there a bridge package i need to make sure kdm updates both?
[05:50] <Trel> If i
[05:51] <Trel> sorry, if I want to copy all kde settings and widget placement from one profile to another (without getting anything profile specific) which files need to be copied?
[05:58] <valorie> Trel: most settings are in your ~/.kde file
[05:59] <valorie> best idea is to copy over the whole *renamed* folder, then move in stuff as needed
[06:00] <valorie> or put it on a thumb drive, etc.
[06:04] <Trel> valorie: I think I got it mostly clean by copying the whole config file and then grepping for any mention of the old username, and either removing the file completely, or editing out the lines
[06:04] <valorie> cool
[06:05] <valorie> in any case, I had something messed up awhile ago, and couldn't figure out what, so I used that method
[06:05] <valorie> it worked really well
[06:05] <Trel> I have one other question, I noticed since upgrading from 12 to 13, the network manager in KDE is different, and the edit connections window specifically looks a lot worse (can't even resize horizontally) any idea if anything can be done with that, or if the whole app can be replaced with something better?
[06:05] <valorie> if you do one file or folder at a time, you can easily remove/rename
[06:06] <valorie> the older application was pretty much worn out and broken
[06:06] <valorie> I heard a lot of griping about the appearance right at first, but now everyone (or nearly so) seems to like it
[06:06] <valorie> it works, so you rarely have to open it up
[06:08] <Trel> valorie: for wifi, yes, but not so much for VPN
[06:09] <valorie> hmmm, someone was talking about that earlier, and had a good solution.....
[06:09] <valorie> Open a terminal and run "apt-cache policy network-manager-openvpn"
[06:10] <valorie> if you don't have it, install it
[06:10] <valorie> thanks to lordievader for that one
[06:10] <Trel> valorie: I do have that, it doesn't help with the setup, the name is cut off because I can't resize horizontally...
[06:10] <valorie> oh, that sucks
[06:10] <valorie> well, please file a bug with KDE
[06:11] <valorie> since it is new, I'm sure the devel will work with you
[06:11] <Trel> oh wow, and now I can't remove it as it's just showing the VPN section, but not the connection (but it's listed in the toast interface)
[06:13] <valorie> that doesn't sound good
[06:15] <Trel> that fixed itself, just the resize issue now
[06:16] <valorie> if that persists, please file a bug at bugs.kde.org
[06:21] <Trel> It's 100% consistant for me, same for you?
[06:22] <valorie> it isn't resizable for me, but that causes no problems
[06:22] <valorie> but I don't use a vpn either
[06:22] <valorie> or have any connections with a long name
[06:22] <valorie> everything has Just Worked since I got the new one
[06:25] <Trel> The resizable thing is the problem, at its default size, even the dates are cut off
[06:26] <valorie> all I'm saying is, if you don't file a bug, how will the devel know it's a problem?
[06:27] <Trel> valorie: someone else told me they CAN resize, so I'm not sure if it's a problem on my end.
[06:29] <valorie> Trel: it's a bug one way or another!
[06:48] <Guest99536> hello
[06:49] <skeptic> fd
[06:50] <aditya215> help
[06:50] <aditya215> ?
[06:50] <valorie> weezer: what do you need help with?
[06:51] <valorie> pfff
[07:10] <Guest2607> hello, i have a desktop system with corei3 3210  on intel DH61BF motherboard and nvidia gt610 synergy edition graphics card running ubuntu 13.10, can i use bumblebee?
[07:11] <valorie> !bumblebee
[07:11] <valorie> hmmm
[07:11] <valorie> !info bumblebee
[07:12] <Guest2607> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee
[07:12] <valorie> if you have that link, then you know more than I do, sorry
[07:14] <Guest2607> hmmm :( i could have tried it out myself by installing but the system is away at my home(i'll be going next week), wanted to know whether it was possible
[07:15] <Guest2607> thanks anyway
[07:16] <valorie> this is always a really quiet time in the chan
[07:16] <valorie> plus it's friday night
[07:33] <ote-m> test
[07:35] <valorie> ote-m: test for what?
[07:35] <valorie> !test
[07:35] <valorie> heh
[07:35] <ote-m> I've never used irc before, and none of my commands (/help) were working, so I just typed test to figure out if anything was working
[07:36] <ote-m> I'm having trouble booting kubuntu, where should I go for help?
[07:36] <valorie> describe your trouble?
[07:36] <valorie> most of the helpers aren't online atm, but I might be able to help
[07:38] <ote-m> I've put Kubuntu 13.10 on a memory stick using Linux Live USB creator. When I boot from the stick on my hackintosh, a menu comes up with the options live mode, persistant mode, etc. But when I try to select any of them, it gives me the error "/casper/vmlinuz: file not found". I've opened the stick on other machines and I can't seem to find any casper directory. Google wasn't my friend in this search.
[07:39] <valorie> ah
[07:39] <valorie> did you use the Mac option, or just the regular ISO?
[07:41] <valorie> also, which version of Kubuntu?
[07:41] <valorie> LTS, or 13.10
[07:41] <valorie> 32 or 64 bit
[07:42] <ote-m> i believe the regular ISO. but I'm booting from the bios, why would I need to select the mac option? 13.20, put that up there, and 64-bit.
[07:42] <ote-m> whoops, 13.10 my bad.
[07:42] <valorie> not sure, there is some tiny difference
[07:44] <valorie> interesting: http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/bios-boot-errors.htm
[07:44] <valorie> might be worth a try
[07:44] <ote-m> right. I'll give this a try. Thanks!
[07:46] <valorie> good luck, ote-m
[09:31] <maxklim> Due to mass joining occuring now I think I could repeat my question (excuse me if it's not appropriate). hi! I'm going to use blue-shell ppa for firefox integration with KDE, but I'm not sure how secure is it to trust this ppa. Could you advise me something?
[09:33] <valorie> maxklim: can you give me the PPA url?
[09:34] <valorie> bots are back, that's good
[09:34] <valorie> hoping services are back online soon as well
[09:34] <lordievader> valorie: Where they gone because of the netsplit?
[09:34] <maxklim> valorie: https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/firefox-kde
[09:35] <valorie> well, I assume a common cause
[09:35] <valorie> attack > netsplit & services down
[09:35] <maxklim> valorie: what do you think about this PPA?
[09:35] <lordievader> shadeslayer seems to upload to the PPA.
[09:36] <valorie> yes, he's one of our best packagers & coders
[09:36] <lordievader> Lots of Kubu-devs are part of the Blue-Shell team.
[09:36] <valorie> so I would trust it, although it's not "official"
[09:36] <lordievader> I'd trust it too.
[09:36] <valorie> he will appreciate testing and feedback
[09:36] <maxklim> valorie: thank you!
[09:37] <valorie> thanks for asking!
[09:37] <maxklim> lordievader: thank you too!
[09:37] <maxklim> :-)
[09:37] <lordievader> maxklim: No problem :)
[09:37] <maxklim> do you guys use firefox or chrome/chromium?
[09:37] <valorie> I use chromium
[09:38] <valorie> however, we're considering moving to FF for the next release
[09:38] <valorie> I assume that PPA is getting that up to snuff
[09:38] <lordievader> I use Chrome.
[09:38] <maxklim> valorie: will you include these patches for firefox-kde integration in the case of this migration?
[09:38] <valorie> i'm not a packager, so I don't know
[09:39] <maxklim> okay, it is clear
[09:39] <lordievader> maxklim: Poke around in #kubuntu-devel
[09:39] <maxklim> lordievader: I'll do
[11:28] <dread22> hi can anyone help with an issue with opensuse?
[11:35] <dread22> i am stuck with no GUI just text: linux-pgim login: i use my login and get user@linux-pgim:~>! cannt get any further please help
[11:37] <Allison43> Hey all
[11:40] <dread22> if anyone an help mesage me on skype swilkinson971i need help
[11:44] <Allison43> just ask here dread22 , we don't do private consultation
[11:54] <krise> Hello, I need a advice
[11:55] <krise> what is the best and easyest way to remote control my laptop with android phone, i ndd to control onlu toutchpad and keyboard
[11:56] <Avihay> well, there's a project called KDE Connect that is currently working on that
[11:56] <Avihay> but I bet that there are other solutions
[11:58] <krise> Thanks , ill take a look
[12:09] <krise> well i dont know how to use kde connect
[12:09] <krise> how do i set it up
[12:27] <ghostryder3333> lol
[14:15] <micha> I'm wondering if it's possible to mount a usb  drive on two different PC's - both connected to the same usb hub, any idea?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> micha, as long as the drive is setup as shared it might work , not sure tho
[14:28] <micha> BluesKaj you mean having more partitions on that drive?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> micha, no , setup the folders/dirs data on the usb as shared, read/write in File/properties
[14:32] <micha> BluesKaj, thank you I will try that...
[14:33] <BluesKaj> micha, properties>permissions
[14:51] <baciccia> ciao
[14:51] <baciccia> !list
[15:10] <mank319> Hey folks :-)
[15:11] <BluesKaj> hi mank319
[15:11] <mank319> Anyone else experiencing slwo Desktop and overall performance after a suspend to ram and resume?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> dunno , haven't set that up yet, maybe i should
[15:12] <mank319> im on intel had Graphics here, some Sandybridge i5 without dedicated graphics
[15:12] <mank319> i thought it was related to some powersaving options when on battery with my notebook
[15:13] <mank319> but after fiddling around with cpu governor settings and laptop-mode without success i realsied, that the slowness only happens after i supsend by closing the laptop lid and resume again
[15:13] <mank319> other than that it runs like a charm and is the best DesktopEnvironment (feature wise) I have experienced on any os yet ;-)
[15:14] <mank319> it affects many aspects graphcis (e.g. animations when min/maximizing windows) but also io stuff like startup time of programs (got and Samsung SSD, if that makes a difference)
[15:16] <mank319> it is something i can live with, especially now that I have found out how to reproduce (and how not to! :P) but if it is reproducable by others, it may be  worth a bugreport ;-)
[15:18] <BluesKaj> mank319, I have intel graphics on thei laptop as well , the i915 driver. but i haven't noticed any slowness after suspend session/sleep
[15:22] <mank319> aye... I do not really think that it is related to graphics as the generall startup time of e.g. dolphin is like  2 - 3x longer after resume
[15:23] <mank319> and it does not get better over time
[15:23] <mank319> until i reboot
[15:23] <BluesKaj> one thing I did notice however was file transfer speed dropped by 90% when I close the lid and there's doesn't seem to be a setting to defeat that action
[15:25] <BluesKaj> between my desktop kubuntu computer and this laptop
[15:26] <mank319> do you mean local transfers or network based?
[15:26] <mank319> ahh ok
[15:26] <mank319> strange
[15:26] <mank319> whatever... i have n ssd - booting does not take long - so i dont really mind rebooting a few times a day
[15:26] <BluesKaj> it's a hidden default action that i can't track down
[15:27] <mank319> mhh
[15:28] <mank319> i may add that i am not on "standart kubuntu" but rather a minimal installation of ubuntu with kde as de and kubuntu ppa's in apt-sources
[15:28] <mank319> so some of the default settings may differ
[15:28] <BluesKaj> yeah ssds are nice , but I settled for a larger hdd at this point
[15:29] <mank319> hehe everything i need much space for (graphics, videos, 3D data) is on my home server
[15:29] <BluesKaj> ok , understood , mank319
[15:31] <BluesKaj> my HTPC is getting old and media-data redundancy is probly in order for the time being
[15:35] <mank319> hehe
[15:35] <mank319> here comes a fun fact
[15:35] <mank319> replacing suspend to ram by hibernate fixes the "problem"
[15:41] <BluesKaj> manmi, ok , good to know
[15:41] <BluesKaj> oops
[16:09] <alihk> hi everybody is there anybody can help me to share open vpn connection with other device ( e.g phone ) by proxy??
[17:09] <amichair> ghil: no luck - the graphics problem from a few days ago wasn't solved after all. After a few hours of running with the newer NVidia drivers and native rather than raster qt graphics mode, I still got blank screens when turning on the second monitor :-( Then I turned off effects to get my screen back, and shortly afterwards got a panel freeze. So nothing really changed.
[17:12] <BluesKaj> amichair, afaik the nvidia driverrs run best with OpenGL and raster
[17:13] <amichair> BluesKaj: that's how they were running for a very long time. I switched to native (instead of raster) a few days ago to see if it helps some issues, but it made no difference.
[17:14] <BluesKaj> native is for nouveau afaik
[17:14] <amichair> BluesKaj: ok, so I'll switch it back. makes no difference to me.
[17:15] <BluesKaj> amichair, did you install the experimental 331 driver
[17:15] <BluesKaj> ?
[17:16] <amichair> BluesKaj: I installed 331.20 from nvidia's site. That didn't change much either.
[17:18] <amichair> I might try 325.15 as well, but I doubt it'll help
[17:19] <BluesKaj> amichair, their proprietary drivers are known to be break stuff after a kubuntu update/upgrade
[17:22] <BluesKaj> the nvidia-319 driver is the one to use , it's the nvidia-current driver for most nvidias on 13.10
[17:22] <ichery_> i receive the following message on my Kubuntu box  after loggin in safe mode and  unable to access the desktop since it happened: 'Ubhid couldn't find an input endpoint'  - any help wld be appreciated
[17:29] <BluesKaj> ichery_, can you get to a virtual console/TTY with ctrl+alt+F1-F6 , then login and run,  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade , then sudo reboot
[17:32] <BluesKaj> gotta go ...BBL stuff to do
[17:37] <ichery_> BluesKaj, No. That was my first thought..
[17:38] <ichery_> Is the system hosed? can it be repaired or do i have to reinstall?
[17:48] <mparillo> Happy New Year. I would like to connect to a Cisco VPN, and I was going to sudo apt-get install network-manager-vpnc per the advice I found here:  http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Kubuntu_Precise_Networking#VPN_clients but it seems to be a gnome-centric solution.
[17:49] <mparillo> I get this: The following extra packages will be installed: network-manager-vpnc-gnome vpnc The following NEW packages will be installed: network-manager-vpnc network-manager-vpnc-gnome vpnc
[17:49] <mparillo> Is there a more native KDE alternative?
[18:01] <shadeslayer> mparillo: moment
[18:02] <shadeslayer> mparillo: so this is a bug in the packaging
[18:02] <shadeslayer> mparillo: what release are you running?
[18:03] <shadeslayer> here's a quick way to fix it : sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install network-manager-vpnc
[18:03] <mparillo> This might be user error on my part.
[18:04] <BluesKaj> mparillo, which vpn protocol ?
[18:04] <shadeslayer> mparillo: nope, bug
[18:04] <mparillo> 14.04 I clicked on the wrench on my network manager, and I saw manage connections, and I think I can add a new VPN (vpnc) Cisco Compatible.
[18:05] <shadeslayer> apt tries to install the gnome stuff because it doesn't see plasma-widget-networkmanagement on your system since in 14.04 it's called plasma-nm now
[18:05] <mparillo> But do I even need to apt-get it if the Connection Editor allows me to add a VPN connection?
[18:05] <shadeslayer> mparillo: yes
[18:06] <BluesKaj> mparillo, network manager has widgets for vpns depending on what type pptp , opevpn or whtever cisco uses
[18:06] <BluesKaj> err openvpn
[18:10] <mparillo> BluesKaj: I believe the Cisco VPN protocol is called vpnc (at least according to what I read here: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/08/install-cisco-vpn-client-ubuntu-13-04-13-10/)
[18:11] <shadeslayer> mparillo: does it work correctly now?
[18:12] <mparillo> The no-install-recommends definately did not include the gnome modules
[18:13] <soee_> have you tried to used 2 screens in a combination like laptop + TV through hdmi ?
[18:13] <soee_> i i plug in TV systems performance is much lower
[18:13] <soee_> *if
[18:14] <soee_> it like from stable ~60 FPS to 20
[18:15] <BluesKaj> mparillo, yes, vpnc client is available in the package manager
[18:17] <mparillo> Thank you BluesKaj and shadeslayer. Do I need to reboot? The Connections Editor looks identical.
[18:17] <shadeslayer> mparillo: nope
[18:17] <shadeslayer> though maybe just logout / login if it doesn't work
[18:18] <BluesKaj> soee_, in system settings display , choose the hdmi settings and resolution
[18:18] <soee> BluesKaj: hdmi settings ?
[18:18] <soee> hmm
[18:18] <mparillo> I suppose the next step (it was on WIndows) is to import my pcf file.
[18:18] <soee> let me try some combinations
[18:19] <BluesKaj> the hdmi output should show with options if the cableis connected to the tv , soee
[18:20] <soee> BluesKaj: yes and i can set resolution and refresh rate
[18:20] <soee> but this changes nothing
[18:20] <soee> also
[18:21] <BluesKaj> mparillo, does cisco have a tutorial how to set the username and pw in the client to pass onto the server when connecting
[18:21] <soee> tv shows like new desktop, but if i reboot it shows the one i have on laptop
[18:22] <BluesKaj> graphics chip driver update maybe , soee ?
[18:23] <BluesKaj>  anyway gotta go , no rest for the wicked ...BBL
[18:27] <mparillo> BluesKaj: The tutorial I have involves downloading their Windows GUI, and using it to import the pcf file (which I suppose contains configuration and keys). I will look around, but thanks to you and shadeslayer for your help. The instructions at ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/08/install-cisco-vpn-client-ubuntu-13-04-13-10/ create a file, but I am not sure it does anything.
[18:43] <mparillo> The KDE way to import the pcf file is: http://www.ubun2.com/question/155/how_remote_connect_ubuntu_without_linux_cisco_vpn_client
[18:44] <mparillo> sudo apt-get install kvpnc
[19:14] <Lyyts> Hello All, I'm with Kubuntu 12.04 and my apt_check.py keep crashing, please let me know how to fix that, thanks.
[19:20] <Lyyts> Anyone able to help on this topic?
[19:25] <Lyyts> Anyone?
[19:35] <BluesKaj> Lyyts, apt-heck runs at boot , look here http://askubuntu.com/questions/75888/what-is-apt-check-and-why-does-it-run-during-boot
[19:35] <BluesKaj> make sure python is installed correctly
[19:37] <Lyyts> Thank you BlueKaj - i will try that.
[19:41] <apb1963> how can i replace the kde mixer in the system tray with alsamixer?
[19:43] <BluesKaj> alsamixer has no gui , hence no associated icon , apb1963
[19:43] <BluesKaj> alsamixer is command line only, afaik
[19:44] <apb1963> BluesKaj: icons are typically associated with programs... I want to reassociate the existing icon in the tray with a different program.
[19:45] <BluesKaj> apb1963, one can change program icons , but not vice versa
[19:46] <BluesKaj> interesting thought tho
[19:47] <apb1963> so there's no way to call a program  from the tray, unless it has an icon?
[19:47] <vmusr> apb1963, depends what you understand
[19:48] <BluesKaj> as far as I know, that's the case
[19:48] <vmusr> you can call shell script
[19:48] <apb1963> vmusr: how please?
[19:48] <vmusr> just create a shell script somewhere, and you can create a shortcut
[19:49]  * BluesKaj doesn't hold his breath
[19:49] <apb1963> vmusr: how do I create the shortcut?
[19:49] <vmusr> just drag it to the taskbar ;)
[19:49] <apb1963> drag what?
[19:49] <apb1963> from where?
[19:49] <vmusr> the shell script
[19:50] <vmusr> for example create in your home folder a file myshellscript
[19:50] <apb1963> yes
[19:50] <vmusr> make it executable
[19:50] <apb1963> and then?
[19:50] <apb1963> ok, no problem... then?
[19:51] <vmusr> write inside your script or whatever program you want to run. Then drag this file to the taskbar :0
[19:51] <apb1963> Drag it from where?
[19:51] <apb1963> Oh you mean from a file manager like dolphin
[19:51] <vmusr> from Dolphin (the location where it is) and place it on the taskbar
[19:51] <apb1963> got it
[19:51] <vmusr> apb1963, yep
[19:51] <vmusr> or whatever manager you use :)
[19:52] <apb1963> let me try.... back in a minute
[19:57] <apb1963> Perfect
[19:57] <apb1963> No script required.... just dragged alsamixer over
[19:57] <apb1963> Adjusted the properties to run in a terminal.... voila
[19:58] <apb1963> Thanks!
[19:59] <vmusr> apb1963, you can also run some things via krunner
[20:00] <apb1963> vmusr: without meaning to sound rude or insulting or anything... how is that useful?
[20:00] <apb1963> I've never (knowingly) used krunner so other than seeing it crash from time to time... I have no idea what it's used for.
[20:01] <apb1963> or why
[20:02] <vmusr> it's really nice thing - basically like universal search for applications, windows or whatever plugins you enable
[20:02] <vmusr> apb1963, for example when I'm working i prefer to run a keyboard shortcut and type something on the kbd instead of lifting my hand from the it and moving to the mouse
[20:04] <apb1963> I spend most of my time typing.... I use the command line more often than the GUI.... though there's plenty of point & click too.  So I'm still not following.
[20:04] <apb1963> I have 8 virtual desktops
[20:05] <apb1963> I click to change DTs
[20:05] <apb1963> Then, depending on what I need to do... I either point & click in a program... or type.
[20:05] <apb1963> I have several Konsole windows open on each DT
[20:06] <apb1963> or is it a VD? :)
[20:07] <vmusr> apb1963, half of the actions you described could probably be done from keyboard via krunner
[20:07] <vmusr> you should give it a try, it's a nice feature
[20:08] <apb1963> ok, thanks :)
[20:09] <vmusr> also, if you have that much virtual desktops consider more monitors :)
[20:09] <vmusr> despite that multimonitor sucks no matter what distro/window manager you use
[20:10] <apb1963> vmusr: I'd love more monitors!  Do you prefer to pick them out yourself and have them shipped to me, or would you prefer to just send it to my paypal account and have me pick out my own? :)
[20:11] <apb1963> what a nice guy!  Now I can't say nobody ever buys me anything!
[21:26] <xss> :)
[22:47] <favela> oe
[22:47] <favela> evening
[23:10] <i3lack0p> i am having an issue compiling and installing rtl8192ce  kernel driver to replace the default one is anyone with experience compiling drivers give me a hand. Im not