[07:33] <foobarry> spotted at the museum of childhood. the small text says "i think war games are..." http://i.imgur.com/tVFbKae.jpg
[10:12] <Myrtti> $time_of_day
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> za jan  4 11:12:44 CET 2014
[10:20] <popey> moin
[10:25] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:32] <brobostigon> morning everyone,
[10:34] <brobostigon> is it possible to resize an ext4 partition to make space for a partition to put haiku on, without mucking up grub2?
[10:37] <arc__> Good morning
[10:37] <arc__> Uk
[10:38] <brobostigon> morning arc__
[10:39] <dwatkins> is Haiku what became of BeOS?
[10:39] <brobostigon> dwatkins: yes, and i want to more permentnetly test on real hw than only inside a vm.
[10:39] <dwatkins> looks ace
[10:39] <brobostigon> its is, it has came along huge strides.
[10:40] <dwatkins> I wonder if it will run Steam games like KSP.
[10:40] <brobostigon> no idea.
[10:40] <arc__> Haiku why are u talking about poems :D
[10:40] <brobostigon> they do have a modern upto hate html5 and webkit implementation.
[10:41] <brobostigon> upto date*
[10:41] <dwatkins> arc__: https://www.haiku-os.org/gallery?albumid=5167080228181734945
[10:41] <brobostigon> a beautiful hybrid kernel OS, :)
[10:42] <brobostigon> anyways back to my question ,if i did that, would it wreck grub2?
[10:42] <arc__> looks ok
[10:43] <brobostigon> its the best gui i have ever used, and the fastest, and the fastest booting.
[10:43] <arc__> Not the best looking
[10:44] <brobostigon> that very different, form being perfect in terms of usability.
[10:44] <arc__> Yea 9t is very useable
[10:45] <arc__> Makes me think of windows
[10:46] <brobostigon> the design is so different, its much closer to the amiga.
[10:46] <popey> brobostigon: resizing ext4 down shouldn't be a problem
[10:47] <brobostigon> popey: ok thank you.
[10:48] <arc__> It's just it's not pleasing for the eyes
[10:48] <dwatkins> 9t?
[10:49] <arc__> It
[10:49] <dwatkins> :)
[10:49] <dwatkins> I thought you might be referring to a window manager
[10:49] <arc__> So it's not based on linux then [cool]
[10:49] <arc__> Lol
[10:49] <dwatkins> I like i3: http://i3wm.org/
[10:50] <arc__> No
[10:50] <dwatkins> I do, true fact.
[10:50] <arc__> Really
[10:50] <arc__> ?
[10:51] <dwatkins> I'm confused as to what you're saying, arc__
[10:51] <arc__> I got a fresh install of ubuntu 12.04 lts to play with so see ya[i meant nothing just messing]
[10:56] <brobostigon> ok, does the drive reference and or the partition uuid need to be equal for grub2 to recognise it?
[11:55] <bigcalm> Anybody here, apart from me, use nut?
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: nut?
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: ah the network ups thung
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> thing
[12:13] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I take that as a no then :)
[12:36] <arc__> Ahh ubuntu being slow [good times]
[12:58] <bigcalm> So, does the dash do fancy number conversions like google does?
[13:01] <arc__> What can win server do that ubuntu server cant ?
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> crash a lot
[13:01] <arc__> Really?
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> arc__: it's better than ever, but I still wouldn't recommend it ;)
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> unless you're made of money..
[13:02] <arc__> which server os can admin linux mac and windows
[13:02] <bigcalm> It can run ms sql server
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> arc__: that question does not make sense
[13:03] <arc__> so i can create manange users on other os's
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> arc__: An OS is an OS, "server" and "not-server" is usually just a difference of a few tuning parameters and maybe more ""desktop"-like software preinstalled
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> arc__: http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba_AD_DC_HOWTO
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> arc__: Any of those 3 OSes can do that :)
[13:04] <arc__> Ok but not user management
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> arc__: yes, also user management
[13:05] <arc__> on other client os [win , mac, linux ]
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> arc__: you can connect a Windows machine to a Linux machine running Samba4 in AD DC mode, and log in using any user from the AD
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> arc__: you can manage that AD (which runs on the Linux box) from Linux fine
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> Apple is a bit special.
[13:06] <arc__> Oh ok
[13:06] <arc__> Why apple a bit special ?
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> arc__: well, you CAN bind it to AD, but it's weird.
[13:07] <arc__> how weired
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> please read the documentation yourself to figure that out.
[13:07] <arc__> ok :(
[13:08] <arc__> But this samba is completely a diffrent server os [rather than the one u install a normal ubuntu desktop right ?]
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> no
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> it's a piece of software you can run on a Linux (or BSD, or other Unix) machine
[13:09] <MartijnVdS> just like MS SQL Server is a piece of software you can run on a Windows machine
[13:09] <arc__> Ok
[13:10] <arc__> So it should be included in ubuntu server 12.04.3 right
[13:10] <arc__> ?
[13:10] <MartijnVdS> samba4 - dummy transitional package for samba 4.x series
[13:10] <MartijnVdS> that's on current development
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> samba4 - SMB/CIFS file, NT domain and active directory server (version 4)
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> that's on 12.04
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> it probably works better in the newer versions (like the new LTS, coming in April)
[13:11] <arc__> Ok will read up and try it out today then
[13:19] <Myrtti> trying to watch the same tv show while being 1000miles apart is a bit difficult
[13:44] <brobostigon> worked perfectly, no issues, haiku build environment back again.
[13:45] <brobostigon> can wait to get my hands on the packaging system,
[13:45] <brobostigon> cant*
[14:54] <dwatkins> people still use 123reg.co.uk? wow
[14:55] <dwatkins> Myrtti: I assume it's not simply a case of browsing to http://tvcatchup.com ...
[16:22] <Myrtti> dwatkins: no, it's more about synchronised watching
[16:24] <brobostigon> cm11-m2-grouper, :)
[17:01] <Myrtti> o ho
[17:01] <Myrtti> syncplay seems promising
[17:33] <Myrtti> very promising
[17:43] <daftykins> for what scenario?
[17:46] <Myrtti> for me being in Finland and dsample in UK and wanting to watch the same show at the same time while in a Google+ Hangout with eachother
[17:46] <Myrtti> *cough* Sherlock *cough*
[17:49] <daftykins> ah right
[17:49] <daftykins> yeah in another chan they watch films with a few at the same time but it doesn't tend to be done very scientifically
[17:49] <daftykins> despite them being aware of syncplay
[17:53] <penguin42> Myrtti: Crap!
[17:53] <penguin42> (I really did find it pretty bad)
[17:53] <Myrtti> penguin42: hum?
[17:53] <dwatkins> I imagine with the right hardware, you could simply pipe the video feed from the TV/set-top-box into the hangout
[17:53] <penguin42> Myrtti: Sherlock
[17:54] <dwatkins> or just have it downloaded and press play at the same time, iPlayer or whatever
[17:55] <Myrtti> dwatkins: sure, but being able to control pausing etc helps with keeping in sync
[17:55] <Myrtti> penguin42: *shrug* could've been better but it was ok.
[17:57] <penguin42> Myrtti: Just thought it was missing much plot or any hard problems
[17:59] <Myrtti> well yes, it was a filler
[18:04] <moreati> sherlock?
[18:06] <Myrtti> yeah.
[18:42] <mapito> hey
[18:42] <mapito> anyone able to answer a quick dns query?
[18:43] <daftykins> just ask!
[18:44] <mapito> quick question - say I had an A record example.com IN A 1.2.3.4 could I not just then have a CNAME record like www.example.com IN CNAME example.com record to make www.example.com point to example.com so you could use both http:// and http://wwww
[18:46] <daftykins> on my control panel with my provider, i have two A records for that
[18:46] <daftykins> the first is blank in the 'name' field and points to the IP
[18:47] <daftykins> then the second has the name 'www' and also points to the IP
[18:47] <mapito> yea thats what i'd read aswell an a record for example.com and an a record for the www
[18:47] <daftykins> so that should work if you're having issues with non-www's failing
[18:47] <mapito> but why couldnt you have example.com point to the IP using an A record then www.ex.com a CNAME to example.com ?
[18:47] <mapito> maybe im just being stupid but i dont see why a cname wouldnt work :)
[18:48] <daftykins> that sounds like it'd cause a repeat to me
[18:48] <daftykins> you don't want to double requests
[18:48] <mapito> hmm
[18:48] <daftykins> but i don't know DNS as well as i'd like unfortunately
[18:48] <mapito> because we'd be requesting www.example.com then example.com i see
[18:48] <mapito> yea was just curious :)
[18:48] <daftykins> i think so yeah
[18:48] <mapito> thanks
[18:48] <daftykins> np :)
[18:49] <mapito> installed cowsay on my machine now :D
[18:49] <daftykins> XD
[18:50] <mapito> nice to get the little info bits when i login
[18:51] <mapito> quiet ere today
[18:53] <daftykins> yeah it is a bit
[18:55] <mapito> what you doing? man that London sky cycle thing would be cool - and am i the only person that wants google glass or a competitors..if and when anyone else launches
[18:57] <daftykins> sat at my desktop with the cat on my lap, playing a game at the moment :)
[18:58] <mapito> what game? you thought much about glass?
[18:59] <daftykins> it's a little too gimmicky for me really, plus i wear specs normally anyway so i'd probably have to sell a kidney for such things
[18:59] <daftykins> i picked up Max Payne 3 during the Steam sales, so trying that out at the moment
[19:06] <mapito> theyre working on prescription glasses that work with glass
[19:07] <mapito> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57616418-93/google-glass-prescription-frames-said-to-start-at-$99/
[19:07] <daftykins> yeah that's what'd cost a fortune
[19:07] <daftykins> i already pay £350+ for a pair of specs
[19:14] <mapito> wish theyd hurry up with the ftc here
[19:15] <daftykins> what do you have at the moment?
[19:17] <mapito> 6mbit adsl:(
[19:20] <daftykins> hmm, are you in some rural outskirts somewhere?
[19:21] <daftykins> i'm on the Channel Island of Guernsey and now have 40 down, 5 up VDSL2 for £35/month unlimited
[19:21] <mapito> In stoke - ST1 area - 6mbit adsl when i was in ST4 had 6mbit too it sucks man
[19:21] <mapito> 7years ago at uni I had 20mbit NTL in PO2 or whatever fenton is and then 20mbit again in PO1
[19:22] <mapito> my dad has 75mbit BT FTC and 100mbit VM says hes gona dump one..but i cant get ANYTHING
[19:22] <daftykins> ouch
[19:22] <daftykins> heh two services is nice
[19:23] <mapito> yea having the choice..but yep i have nothing bt site says FTC is there soon and its accepting orders but that means accepting orders from isps..so not ready7 for customers yet
[19:26] <mapito> who you with
[19:27] <daftykins> we have our own telcos down here on the islands
[19:27] <daftykins> a company in Bahrain now owns it
[19:27] <mapito> ah
[20:00] <popey> Evening all.
[20:02] <daftykins> hiya
[20:20] <ali1234> unity still gives weird, irrelevant, and inappropriate results: http://imagebin.org/285172
[20:24] <penguin42> ali1234: I feel that is the title of a launchpad bug
[20:24] <ali1234> yeah i'm just wondering what package i should even report it against
[20:25] <penguin42> unity-scope-onlinemusic - Unity Scope that provides online music to the Dash. ?
[20:25] <ali1234> i kind of feel like nobody will even see it there
[20:26] <ali1234> plus it isn't hard to get rubbish like this from any of the scopes
[20:26] <penguin42> just unity then?
[20:27] <penguin42> ali1234: I'm not sure whether the word or the fact that it in no way matches the search term offends me more
[20:32] <popey> ali1234: file a bug against that package and I'll make sure someone sees it.
[20:32] <popey> someone useful.
[21:02] <ali1234> popey: bug 1266098
[21:06] <penguin42> ali1234: What's the word under the redline after Disco?
[21:07] <ali1234> penguin42: it actually says "...e"
[21:07] <penguin42> ali1234: Ah right
[21:07] <ali1234> the result is shortened
[21:07] <ali1234> the actual word though is gnome
[21:07] <ali1234> so the shortening algorithm removed the only part that matched the search
[21:07] <penguin42> ali1234: OK, so a google search says that TF have a tune 'Disco Gnome (Tale of Us Remix)'
[21:08] <penguin42> ali1234: So that's why that was a match
[21:08] <ali1234> right but it's still weird (robocop riding a unicorn?), irrelevant to what i wanted, and NSFW
[21:08]  * penguin42 has probably now popped his search bubble having searched for that
[21:09] <penguin42> ali1234: Oh I agree, but it does at least explain why it matched
[21:13] <popey> ali1234: ta
[21:16] <ali1234> does firefox use gtk2 or gtk3?
[21:16] <ali1234> if it uses gtk3, why does it's file open requester look different to the one in gedit, under trusty?
[21:17] <ali1234> but if it uses gtk2, why does it display ~/.config/gtk-3.0/bookmarks in the sidebar?
[21:18] <penguin42> I'd say it uses 2
[21:19] <penguin42> ali1234: It would make sense for them both to share one set of bookmarks, otherwise it would get messy
[21:19] <ali1234> gtk2 uses ~/.gtk-bookmarks
[21:20] <ali1234> at least it used to
[21:21] <penguin42> it certainly seems bad for them to use different ones, and it seems right that being config it should be in .config
[21:23] <ali1234> actually that can't be right
[21:27] <ali1234> yeah, ok
[21:27] <ali1234> so they rewrote file requesters in gtk 3.10
[21:27] <ali1234> in 3.8 they are identical to gtk2 ones
[21:28] <ali1234> but when you install trusty, gtk2 and gtk3 apps now have different file requesters
[21:31]  * penguin42 doesn't think he has any GTK3 apps installed
[21:42] <Myrtti> oooher http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/athene-utility-style-bracelet
[21:44] <bigcalm> Myrtti: that looks quite nice
[21:45] <Myrtti> it does
[21:45] <bigcalm> Sadly not going to make its goal though
[21:45] <bigcalm> People lack money after xmas
[21:46] <bigcalm> Oh, it's gone the flexible funding route though
[21:49] <Myrtti> indeed
[23:07] <arc___> hey if i want to make my ubuntu server a primary domain controller do i need to install samba4
[23:08] <arc___> do i do apt-get install samba4
[23:10] <arc___> anyone or am i asking in the wrong place ?
[23:19] <penguin42> arc___: #ubuntu is main support
[23:19] <penguin42> arc___: I don't know the Samba foo though
[23:40] <ali1234> ugh... firefox has this stupid bug where redirects stop working
[23:40] <ali1234> i've seen it on two machines now
[23:40] <ali1234> it stops happening if you restart firefox... until the next time it happens
[23:41] <ali1234> it could only be a bug in firefox, or caused by adblock plus... i can't stand to use the internet without adblock plus for long enough to reproduce it