[01:45] <Darkangel> curious* i was just wondering if this is the chat line Ubuntu-developers hangout at?
[02:18] <Patrickdk> not really
[02:18] <Patrickdk> more like beta testers
[03:23] <Hydr0p0nX> will the 14.04 alpha auto upgrade to full version when it's released ?
[03:26] <holstein> Hydr0p0nX: there is only the one 14.04 version.. its not a "rolling release", but the repositories get updates as they come in
[03:28] <Hydr0p0nX> While i know it's not perfect, does it seem relatively stable ?
[03:29] <holstein> Hydr0p0nX: its not released yet
[03:30] <holstein> Hydr0p0nX: if you want stable, or released, use the released version. 14.04 could be rock solid now and for many days, then have an issue
[03:32] <Hydr0p0nX> released versions have an issue
[03:33] <Hydr0p0nX> i understand how pre-releases work, i'm asking for an opinion
[03:33] <holstein> Hydr0p0nX: sure.. and, specific hardware cases dont support linux well
[03:33] <holstein> Hydr0p0nX: the fact is, its not out yet. if you want stable, go with one of the stable releases..
[03:51] <Logan_> Hydr0p0nX: I only use it for development with gnome-session-fallback (not Unity), and it has been stable for me
[03:52] <Logan_> sorry, it's called gnome-session-flashback now
[03:54] <Hydr0p0nX> i'm looking to use it for a mythbox, 13.10 livecd has an issue with my usb keyboard/mouse, but hdmi audio out works, 12.04 has an issue with hdmi audio but keyboard/mouse work right
[03:54] <Hydr0p0nX> hoping with 14.04 both work
[03:54] <holstein> try it live and see.. you can just not run updates til april
[04:15] <pgnome> hello
[04:15] <pgnome> can anyone help me get google earth to work properly?
[04:16] <pgnome> my system is amd64 14.04
[04:16] <holstein> pgnome: not here, likely.. i would try whatever version of ubuntu google earth supports officially
[04:16] <pgnome> I installed 32-bit GE
[04:17] <holstein> pgnome: you could try the 64bit one, since you are running 64bit
[04:17] <pgnome> I thought I had to use 32-bit and multiarch
[04:17] <pgnome> I am using skype currently without problems and it's 32-bit w/ multiarch installed
[04:18] <pgnome> I don't understand why I'm having a problem
[04:18] <pgnome> I googled the error message and it might have to do with lib files?
[04:18] <pgnome> ./googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:18] <pgnome> I don't understand the error enough - but
[04:19] <holstein> pgnome: they may not support 14.04
[04:20] <trism> pgnome: libglu1-mesa:i386 maybe
[04:25] <Patrickdk> issue with hdmi audio out?
[04:25] <Patrickdk> that has worked for me since pre-10.04
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> Patrickdk: maybe its using another audio driver?
[04:28] <Patrickdk> maybe
[04:28] <Patrickdk> I only use nvidia cards, they use the intel driver
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> Patrickdk: also its still in test phase, so alot can change in the future
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> Patrickdk: play around a bit, if you cant get it straight file a bug
[04:29] <Patrickdk> do what?
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> Patrickdk: report a bug
[04:29] <Patrickdk> a bug for what?
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> Patrickdk: for your issue?
[04:29]  * Patrickdk not believing that 14.04 would support hdmi audio for something that didn't before?
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> there's a solution for everything right
[04:30] <Patrickdk> sounds like something in 14.04 default config changed to make the hdmi audio work, I seriously doubt it was a driver issue
[04:30] <Patrickdk> I never said there was a problem
[04:30] <Patrickdk> lack of reading on your part :)
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> oh, sorry it never worked
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> but now it works?
[04:30] <Patrickdk> I said it's worked since pre-10.04
[04:30] <Patrickdk> what part of that is a *bug*
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> nvm
[04:31] <Patrickdk> but I didn't say it worked out of the box
[04:32] <Patrickdk> hdmi audio did take me several hours, probably a good 10 total, to get working
[04:32] <Patrickdk> working reliable and rock solid
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> trusty seems solid to me
[04:33] <Patrickdk> things kept defaulting to the onboard soundcard, or non-digital
[04:33] <Patrickdk> took a bit to find and adjust all the configs
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> what did the trick exactly?
[04:34] <Patrickdk> a few things, loading the intel driver with correct options, so the hdmi audio was always in a predictable place (first sound card)
[04:34] <Patrickdk> second was to adjust the config files for alsa, vlc, pulse, ... to use the correct digital sound port on the card
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> i see
[04:34] <Patrickdk> I wanted digital, for at3/dts passthough
[04:35] <Patrickdk> that was just extra for me
[04:35] <Patrickdk> ac3
[04:35] <Patrickdk> but as he wants it for mythtv, likely the same for him
[04:36] <Patrickdk> only alittle annoying to do, but since I do it for mythtv also
[04:36] <Patrickdk> it's easy to replicate, just clone another machine, and off it goes
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> nice one
[04:37] <Patrickdk> mine are iscsi boot, so it's I do just clone the disk image, and the new machine iscsi boots off it :)
[04:37] <Patrickdk> harddrives produce as much heat as the cpu
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> you can clone an ubuntu install with that to another pc?
[04:38] <Patrickdk> it's easy to clone, do it all the time
[04:38] <Patrickdk> only a few things to adjust
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> sounds nice
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> doesnt install is a bit strange on iscsi?
[04:39] <Patrickdk> change hostname, change udev/rules/70-persistant-net, and hosts.conf
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> i had a user once struggling with it
[04:39] <Patrickdk> if you use a desktop isntall, it's a pain
[04:39] <Patrickdk> if you use the server install, it just works
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> he had to give a username:password or something
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> ic
[04:39] <Patrickdk> that is optional, depending on how you setup iscsi security
[04:39] <Patrickdk> no security, not needed
[04:39] <Patrickdk> if you use chap security, then you need it
[04:40] <Patrickdk> and if you do 2way chap security, you need it twice :)
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> client and host
[04:40] <Patrickdk> I know all this very good, and I had a hell of a time attempting it using ubuntu desktop iso
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> well as you talk about it, it sounds easy :p
[04:41] <Patrickdk> the catch with the iscsi install is only if you secure it via initiator name
[04:41] <Patrickdk> ubuntu installer will pick a random name, then give the install another random name
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> you have to browse the network for that file right?
[04:41] <Patrickdk> heh?
[04:41] <Patrickdk> what file?
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> hmm not sure anymore
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> or link to the host
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> in your network
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> so the desktop knows where the host is?
[04:42] <Patrickdk> yes
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> or can you setup standalone also?
[04:43] <Patrickdk> heh? the whole point of iscsi is it's not local
[04:43] <Patrickdk> if you wanted standalone you would install it to the local disk :)
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> yes, but could one install ubuntu server to run it standalone
[04:43] <Patrickdk> dunno what that means
[04:43] <Patrickdk> run it standalone?
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> okay, i think thats what this user have a real pain
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> he wanted to in stall ubuntu desktop on an iscsi machine
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> without the other host
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> standalone desktop..
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> so ubuntu setup asked a network l:p
[04:45] <Patrickdk> I think your confusing something
[04:45] <Patrickdk> without the other host?
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> dont you have to link always to other iscsi?
[04:45] <Patrickdk> yes
[04:45] <Patrickdk> it's like the sata cable going to your harddrive
[04:45] <Patrickdk> if the network to your iscsi host/target isn't working
[04:45] <Patrickdk> well, your cable to your disk isn't plugged in
[04:46] <Patrickdk> hard to install without a disk
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> link to your own local drive then?
[04:47] <Patrickdk> then your not using iscsi
[04:47] <Patrickdk> for me, the point was not to waste power/heat from the local drive
[04:47] <Patrickdk> mainly heat/noise
[04:47] <Patrickdk> so it loading from my server, that is always on anyways, was ideal
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> i see
[04:48] <Patrickdk> half the office at work, I do it the same way
[04:48] <Patrickdk> the computers iscsi boot windows from the server
[04:48] <Patrickdk> the server can manage snapshots, restore, reimage, ...
[04:49] <Patrickdk> since those are temporary usage machines, I reset the image after each use, so it's clean
[04:49] <Patrickdk> at home here, I do the same thing, just lots of ubuntu iscsi boot machines, for mythtv, and kids
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> so you running trusty everywhere?
[04:49] <Patrickdk> dunno what trusty is
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> 14.04
[04:50] <Patrickdk> that is what 14.04 is called?
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> yes
[04:50] <Patrickdk> na, I used to be very active doing this
[04:50] <Patrickdk> but since 13.04 we kindof got pushed out
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> but you run it right now ?
[04:50] <Patrickdk> with the ubuntu quality overhaul
[04:50] <Patrickdk> not yet
[04:50] <Patrickdk> I will be soon
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> why do you ask in this chan then?
[04:50] <Patrickdk> now that the holidays are over
[04:51] <Patrickdk> I have been in this channel for 6 years
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> ok
[04:51] <Patrickdk> ask?
[04:51] <Patrickdk> I was responding to someone else asking
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> or discuss
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> ah
[04:51] <Patrickdk> dunno :)
[04:51] <Patrickdk> no other channels where active
[04:51] <Patrickdk> I normally don't talk in here often
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> :p
[04:52] <Patrickdk> I do read though, to keep up
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> my plan is to install LTS everywhere for users
[04:52] <Patrickdk> but going be putting 14.04 server through it's tests
[04:52] <Patrickdk> and since I do a lot of iscsi, I will be testing iscsi a lot
[04:52] <Patrickdk> I would almost always find a bug or two for iscsi installs before each release
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> well good news for the iscsi freakz then :p
[04:53] <Patrickdk> so have to get moving on those
[04:53] <Patrickdk> ya, they do automated kvm iscsi tests now
[04:54] <Patrickdk> since the tests are all local to the same machine, they seem not to catch some timing issues
[04:54] <Patrickdk> that my tests seem to catch using real networks
[04:55] <Patrickdk> after all that testing, I'll have to migrate my ppa's to 14.04, that can take awhile
[04:55] <Patrickdk> then likely in 2015, I'll be upgrading everything :)
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> did you follow iscsi ubuntu tutorials?
[04:56] <Patrickdk> nope
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> self search?
[04:56] <Patrickdk> I guess if you want to setup an iscsi server, you could
[04:56] <Patrickdk> but to do it as a client, no real need to
[04:56] <Patrickdk> it's just simple enough
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> if i understand what it does
[04:57] <Patrickdk> I'm not using ubuntu for my iscsi host/target
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> ic
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> anyway bbl
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> tnx for talk
[05:19] <ThomasB> rhythmbox on 14.04 is terribly buggy :(
[05:24] <ThomasB> not that i'm surprised
[05:39] <BabaNK> hi all
[05:39] <BabaNK> i've upgraded to 14.04
[05:40] <BabaNK> now my xwindows completly messed up either with unity or gnome
[05:40] <BabaNK> when i login with unity then only blankscreen
[05:40] <BabaNK> i reinstalled unity compiz
[05:40] <BabaNK> and uninstall gnome
[05:40] <BabaNK> still same problem
[05:40] <BabaNK> can anybody help me
[05:41] <BabaNK> i can only enter into ctrl+alt+f1
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: wich 14.04 iso did you install?
[05:41] <BabaNK> no i did dist-upgrade -d
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: 14.04 is still in test phase right
[05:42] <BabaNK> yup i know
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: maybe a clean install would run smoother?
[05:42] <BabaNK> after upgrade first time it worked... then it stopped working (unity)
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: maybe to a recoverymode and failsafeX?
[05:42] <BabaNK> download ISO and install it?
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: might be your graphics drivers
[05:43] <BabaNK> my xlog doesnt throw any error
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> i got iso from here
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> works flawless on my desktop
[05:43] <BabaNK> but screen is blank when i did startx from command prompt
[05:44] <BabaNK> or if i start gui then login screen will come after i enter password then blankscreen
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> try recoverymode mate, fix broken packages or failsafex
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> see what it does
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> otherwise: clean install
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: what was your previous version?
[05:45] <BabaNK> ubuntu 13.10
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: i think thats the prob
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: from non-LTS to LTS
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: i would recommend to clean install 14.04
[05:46] <BabaNK> ooo ok
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> see if you still got issues then
[05:46] <BabaNK> clean install will take at least 8 hours (download iso, take backup, install it :( )
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: backup your data before ok
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> yes i know mate
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> but upgrade from non-lts to lts can be tricky
[05:47] <BabaNK> lts means?
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> !lts
[05:48] <BabaNK> so 13.10 is non-lts?
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> so 14.04 will be lts, 5 years support
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> indeed
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> 13.10 9 months support
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> BabaNK: so if you clean install 14.04 you will be safe for 5years :p
[05:50] <BabaNK> but 14.04 is not fully released.. it is in testing version
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> yes, ive tested it on my desktop
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> and i find it real stable already
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> but that would be your choice ofcourse
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> depends on what you want/need
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> you can wait till april full release aswell
[09:55] <kandinski> hi, any idea how can I reset all compiz effects?
[09:55] <kandinski> they are slowing down my display a lot on intel embedded graphics
[11:24] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[17:43] <pero> is it normal for apt to be grabbing 26mb of package lists on update?
[17:45] <penguin42> I think the full lists are pretty big like that
[17:59] <pero> is it like that on <14.04? i don't remember
[18:01] <jtaylor> pero: in development version you update the full list every time
[18:02] <jtaylor> post release it is split into the not changing base + updates
[18:02] <jtaylor> only updates changes so its usually much smaller
[18:02] <pero> makes sense, thx
[21:57] <Fudge> where is correct place to bug report against unity in daily trusty images
[21:57] <trism> Fudge: you can still use: ubuntu-bug unity;
[22:00] <Fudge> thanks trism  have not used that before
[22:01] <Fudge> looking to actually file a bug against unity though, not a crash.
[22:05] <trism> Fudge: yes it should still let you, unless something changed recently
[22:09] <Fudge> thanks
[22:38] <Fudge> works great, thanks trism
[23:38] <Fudge> anyone else experiencing buffering issues on totem streaming LAN media