| Darkangel | curious* i was just wondering if this is the chat line Ubuntu-developers hangout at? | 01:45 |
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| Patrickdk | not really | 02:18 |
| Patrickdk | more like beta testers | 02:18 |
| Hydr0p0nX | will the 14.04 alpha auto upgrade to full version when it's released ? | 03:23 |
| holstein | Hydr0p0nX: there is only the one 14.04 version.. its not a "rolling release", but the repositories get updates as they come in | 03:26 |
| Hydr0p0nX | While i know it's not perfect, does it seem relatively stable ? | 03:28 |
| holstein | Hydr0p0nX: its not released yet | 03:29 |
| holstein | Hydr0p0nX: if you want stable, or released, use the released version. 14.04 could be rock solid now and for many days, then have an issue | 03:30 |
| Hydr0p0nX | released versions have an issue | 03:32 |
| Hydr0p0nX | i understand how pre-releases work, i'm asking for an opinion | 03:33 |
| holstein | Hydr0p0nX: sure.. and, specific hardware cases dont support linux well | 03:33 |
| holstein | Hydr0p0nX: the fact is, its not out yet. if you want stable, go with one of the stable releases.. | 03:33 |
| Logan_ | Hydr0p0nX: I only use it for development with gnome-session-fallback (not Unity), and it has been stable for me | 03:51 |
| Logan_ | sorry, it's called gnome-session-flashback now | 03:52 |
| Hydr0p0nX | i'm looking to use it for a mythbox, 13.10 livecd has an issue with my usb keyboard/mouse, but hdmi audio out works, 12.04 has an issue with hdmi audio but keyboard/mouse work right | 03:54 |
| Hydr0p0nX | hoping with 14.04 both work | 03:54 |
| holstein | try it live and see.. you can just not run updates til april | 03:54 |
| pgnome | hello | 04:15 |
| pgnome | can anyone help me get google earth to work properly? | 04:15 |
| pgnome | my system is amd64 14.04 | 04:16 |
| holstein | pgnome: not here, likely.. i would try whatever version of ubuntu google earth supports officially | 04:16 |
| pgnome | I installed 32-bit GE | 04:16 |
| holstein | pgnome: you could try the 64bit one, since you are running 64bit | 04:17 |
| pgnome | I thought I had to use 32-bit and multiarch | 04:17 |
| pgnome | I am using skype currently without problems and it's 32-bit w/ multiarch installed | 04:17 |
| pgnome | I don't understand why I'm having a problem | 04:18 |
| pgnome | I googled the error message and it might have to do with lib files? | 04:18 |
| pgnome | ./googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 04:18 |
| pgnome | I don't understand the error enough - but | 04:18 |
| holstein | pgnome: they may not support 14.04 | 04:19 |
| trism | pgnome: libglu1-mesa:i386 maybe | 04:20 |
| Patrickdk | issue with hdmi audio out? | 04:25 |
| Patrickdk | that has worked for me since pre-10.04 | 04:25 |
| lotuspsychje | Patrickdk: maybe its using another audio driver? | 04:28 |
| Patrickdk | maybe | 04:28 |
| Patrickdk | I only use nvidia cards, they use the intel driver | 04:28 |
| lotuspsychje | Patrickdk: also its still in test phase, so alot can change in the future | 04:28 |
| lotuspsychje | Patrickdk: play around a bit, if you cant get it straight file a bug | 04:29 |
| Patrickdk | do what? | 04:29 |
| lotuspsychje | Patrickdk: report a bug | 04:29 |
| Patrickdk | a bug for what? | 04:29 |
| lotuspsychje | Patrickdk: for your issue? | 04:29 |
| * Patrickdk not believing that 14.04 would support hdmi audio for something that didn't before? | 04:29 | |
| lotuspsychje | there's a solution for everything right | 04:30 |
| Patrickdk | sounds like something in 14.04 default config changed to make the hdmi audio work, I seriously doubt it was a driver issue | 04:30 |
| Patrickdk | I never said there was a problem | 04:30 |
| Patrickdk | lack of reading on your part :) | 04:30 |
| lotuspsychje | oh, sorry it never worked | 04:30 |
| lotuspsychje | but now it works? | 04:30 |
| Patrickdk | I said it's worked since pre-10.04 | 04:30 |
| Patrickdk | what part of that is a *bug* | 04:30 |
| lotuspsychje | nvm | 04:31 |
| Patrickdk | but I didn't say it worked out of the box | 04:31 |
| Patrickdk | hdmi audio did take me several hours, probably a good 10 total, to get working | 04:32 |
| Patrickdk | working reliable and rock solid | 04:32 |
| lotuspsychje | trusty seems solid to me | 04:32 |
| Patrickdk | things kept defaulting to the onboard soundcard, or non-digital | 04:33 |
| Patrickdk | took a bit to find and adjust all the configs | 04:33 |
| lotuspsychje | what did the trick exactly? | 04:33 |
| Patrickdk | a few things, loading the intel driver with correct options, so the hdmi audio was always in a predictable place (first sound card) | 04:34 |
| Patrickdk | second was to adjust the config files for alsa, vlc, pulse, ... to use the correct digital sound port on the card | 04:34 |
| lotuspsychje | i see | 04:34 |
| Patrickdk | I wanted digital, for at3/dts passthough | 04:34 |
| Patrickdk | that was just extra for me | 04:35 |
| Patrickdk | ac3 | 04:35 |
| Patrickdk | but as he wants it for mythtv, likely the same for him | 04:35 |
| Patrickdk | only alittle annoying to do, but since I do it for mythtv also | 04:36 |
| Patrickdk | it's easy to replicate, just clone another machine, and off it goes | 04:36 |
| lotuspsychje | nice one | 04:36 |
| Patrickdk | mine are iscsi boot, so it's I do just clone the disk image, and the new machine iscsi boots off it :) | 04:37 |
| Patrickdk | harddrives produce as much heat as the cpu | 04:37 |
| lotuspsychje | you can clone an ubuntu install with that to another pc? | 04:38 |
| Patrickdk | it's easy to clone, do it all the time | 04:38 |
| Patrickdk | only a few things to adjust | 04:38 |
| lotuspsychje | sounds nice | 04:38 |
| lotuspsychje | doesnt install is a bit strange on iscsi? | 04:38 |
| Patrickdk | change hostname, change udev/rules/70-persistant-net, and hosts.conf | 04:39 |
| lotuspsychje | i had a user once struggling with it | 04:39 |
| Patrickdk | if you use a desktop isntall, it's a pain | 04:39 |
| Patrickdk | if you use the server install, it just works | 04:39 |
| lotuspsychje | he had to give a username:password or something | 04:39 |
| lotuspsychje | ic | 04:39 |
| Patrickdk | that is optional, depending on how you setup iscsi security | 04:39 |
| Patrickdk | no security, not needed | 04:39 |
| Patrickdk | if you use chap security, then you need it | 04:39 |
| Patrickdk | and if you do 2way chap security, you need it twice :) | 04:40 |
| lotuspsychje | client and host | 04:40 |
| Patrickdk | I know all this very good, and I had a hell of a time attempting it using ubuntu desktop iso | 04:40 |
| lotuspsychje | well as you talk about it, it sounds easy :p | 04:40 |
| Patrickdk | the catch with the iscsi install is only if you secure it via initiator name | 04:41 |
| Patrickdk | ubuntu installer will pick a random name, then give the install another random name | 04:41 |
| lotuspsychje | you have to browse the network for that file right? | 04:41 |
| Patrickdk | heh? | 04:41 |
| Patrickdk | what file? | 04:41 |
| lotuspsychje | hmm not sure anymore | 04:41 |
| lotuspsychje | or link to the host | 04:41 |
| lotuspsychje | in your network | 04:42 |
| lotuspsychje | so the desktop knows where the host is? | 04:42 |
| Patrickdk | yes | 04:42 |
| lotuspsychje | or can you setup standalone also? | 04:42 |
| Patrickdk | heh? the whole point of iscsi is it's not local | 04:43 |
| Patrickdk | if you wanted standalone you would install it to the local disk :) | 04:43 |
| lotuspsychje | yes, but could one install ubuntu server to run it standalone | 04:43 |
| Patrickdk | dunno what that means | 04:43 |
| Patrickdk | run it standalone? | 04:43 |
| lotuspsychje | okay, i think thats what this user have a real pain | 04:44 |
| lotuspsychje | he wanted to in stall ubuntu desktop on an iscsi machine | 04:44 |
| lotuspsychje | without the other host | 04:44 |
| lotuspsychje | standalone desktop.. | 04:44 |
| lotuspsychje | so ubuntu setup asked a network l:p | 04:44 |
| Patrickdk | I think your confusing something | 04:45 |
| Patrickdk | without the other host? | 04:45 |
| lotuspsychje | dont you have to link always to other iscsi? | 04:45 |
| Patrickdk | yes | 04:45 |
| Patrickdk | it's like the sata cable going to your harddrive | 04:45 |
| Patrickdk | if the network to your iscsi host/target isn't working | 04:45 |
| Patrickdk | well, your cable to your disk isn't plugged in | 04:45 |
| Patrickdk | hard to install without a disk | 04:46 |
| lotuspsychje | link to your own local drive then? | 04:46 |
| Patrickdk | then your not using iscsi | 04:47 |
| Patrickdk | for me, the point was not to waste power/heat from the local drive | 04:47 |
| Patrickdk | mainly heat/noise | 04:47 |
| Patrickdk | so it loading from my server, that is always on anyways, was ideal | 04:47 |
| lotuspsychje | i see | 04:48 |
| Patrickdk | half the office at work, I do it the same way | 04:48 |
| Patrickdk | the computers iscsi boot windows from the server | 04:48 |
| Patrickdk | the server can manage snapshots, restore, reimage, ... | 04:48 |
| Patrickdk | since those are temporary usage machines, I reset the image after each use, so it's clean | 04:49 |
| Patrickdk | at home here, I do the same thing, just lots of ubuntu iscsi boot machines, for mythtv, and kids | 04:49 |
| lotuspsychje | so you running trusty everywhere? | 04:49 |
| Patrickdk | dunno what trusty is | 04:49 |
| lotuspsychje | 14.04 | 04:50 |
| Patrickdk | that is what 14.04 is called? | 04:50 |
| lotuspsychje | yes | 04:50 |
| Patrickdk | na, I used to be very active doing this | 04:50 |
| Patrickdk | but since 13.04 we kindof got pushed out | 04:50 |
| lotuspsychje | but you run it right now ? | 04:50 |
| Patrickdk | with the ubuntu quality overhaul | 04:50 |
| Patrickdk | not yet | 04:50 |
| Patrickdk | I will be soon | 04:50 |
| lotuspsychje | why do you ask in this chan then? | 04:50 |
| Patrickdk | now that the holidays are over | 04:50 |
| Patrickdk | I have been in this channel for 6 years | 04:51 |
| lotuspsychje | ok | 04:51 |
| Patrickdk | ask? | 04:51 |
| Patrickdk | I was responding to someone else asking | 04:51 |
| lotuspsychje | or discuss | 04:51 |
| lotuspsychje | ah | 04:51 |
| Patrickdk | dunno :) | 04:51 |
| Patrickdk | no other channels where active | 04:51 |
| Patrickdk | I normally don't talk in here often | 04:51 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 04:52 |
| Patrickdk | I do read though, to keep up | 04:52 |
| lotuspsychje | my plan is to install LTS everywhere for users | 04:52 |
| Patrickdk | but going be putting 14.04 server through it's tests | 04:52 |
| Patrickdk | and since I do a lot of iscsi, I will be testing iscsi a lot | 04:52 |
| Patrickdk | I would almost always find a bug or two for iscsi installs before each release | 04:52 |
| lotuspsychje | well good news for the iscsi freakz then :p | 04:53 |
| Patrickdk | so have to get moving on those | 04:53 |
| Patrickdk | ya, they do automated kvm iscsi tests now | 04:53 |
| Patrickdk | since the tests are all local to the same machine, they seem not to catch some timing issues | 04:54 |
| Patrickdk | that my tests seem to catch using real networks | 04:54 |
| Patrickdk | after all that testing, I'll have to migrate my ppa's to 14.04, that can take awhile | 04:55 |
| Patrickdk | then likely in 2015, I'll be upgrading everything :) | 04:55 |
| lotuspsychje | did you follow iscsi ubuntu tutorials? | 04:56 |
| Patrickdk | nope | 04:56 |
| lotuspsychje | self search? | 04:56 |
| Patrickdk | I guess if you want to setup an iscsi server, you could | 04:56 |
| Patrickdk | but to do it as a client, no real need to | 04:56 |
| Patrickdk | it's just simple enough | 04:56 |
| lotuspsychje | if i understand what it does | 04:56 |
| Patrickdk | I'm not using ubuntu for my iscsi host/target | 04:57 |
| lotuspsychje | ic | 04:57 |
| lotuspsychje | anyway bbl | 04:58 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx for talk | 04:58 |
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| ThomasB | rhythmbox on 14.04 is terribly buggy :( | 05:19 |
| ThomasB | not that i'm surprised | 05:24 |
| BabaNK | hi all | 05:39 |
| BabaNK | i've upgraded to 14.04 | 05:39 |
| BabaNK | now my xwindows completly messed up either with unity or gnome | 05:40 |
| BabaNK | when i login with unity then only blankscreen | 05:40 |
| BabaNK | i reinstalled unity compiz | 05:40 |
| BabaNK | and uninstall gnome | 05:40 |
| BabaNK | still same problem | 05:40 |
| BabaNK | can anybody help me | 05:40 |
| BabaNK | i can only enter into ctrl+alt+f1 | 05:41 |
| lotuspsychje | BabaNK: wich 14.04 iso did you install? | 05:41 |
| BabaNK | no i did dist-upgrade -d | 05:41 |
| lotuspsychje | BabaNK: 14.04 is still in test phase right | 05:41 |
| BabaNK | yup i know | 05:42 |
| lotuspsychje | BabaNK: maybe a clean install would run smoother? | 05:42 |
| BabaNK | after upgrade first time it worked... then it stopped working (unity) | 05:42 |
| lotuspsychje | BabaNK: maybe to a recoverymode and failsafeX? | 05:42 |
| BabaNK | download ISO and install it? | 05:42 |
| lotuspsychje | BabaNK: might be your graphics drivers | 05:42 |
| BabaNK | my xlog doesnt throw any error | 05:43 |
| lotuspsychje | http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 05:43 |
| lotuspsychje | i got iso from here | 05:43 |
| lotuspsychje | works flawless on my desktop | 05:43 |
| BabaNK | but screen is blank when i did startx from command prompt | 05:43 |
| BabaNK | or if i start gui then login screen will come after i enter password then blankscreen | 05:44 |
| lotuspsychje | try recoverymode mate, fix broken packages or failsafex | 05:44 |
| lotuspsychje | see what it does | 05:44 |
| lotuspsychje | otherwise: clean install | 05:44 |
| lotuspsychje | BabaNK: what was your previous version? | 05:45 |
| BabaNK | ubuntu 13.10 | 05:45 |
| lotuspsychje | BabaNK: i think thats the prob | 05:45 |
| lotuspsychje | BabaNK: from non-LTS to LTS | 05:45 |
| lotuspsychje | BabaNK: i would recommend to clean install 14.04 | 05:46 |
| BabaNK | ooo ok | 05:46 |
| lotuspsychje | see if you still got issues then | 05:46 |
| BabaNK | clean install will take at least 8 hours (download iso, take backup, install it :( ) | 05:46 |
| lotuspsychje | BabaNK: backup your data before ok | 05:46 |
| lotuspsychje | yes i know mate | 05:46 |
| lotuspsychje | but upgrade from non-lts to lts can be tricky | 05:47 |
| BabaNK | lts means? | 05:47 |
| lotuspsychje | !lts | 05:47 |
| ubottu | LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server; with the exception of 12.04 (Precise Pangolin), which will be supported for 5 years on the desktop. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Precise (Precise Pangolin 12.04) | 05:47 |
| BabaNK | so 13.10 is non-lts? | 05:48 |
| lotuspsychje | so 14.04 will be lts, 5 years support | 05:48 |
| lotuspsychje | indeed | 05:48 |
| lotuspsychje | 13.10 9 months support | 05:48 |
| lotuspsychje | BabaNK: so if you clean install 14.04 you will be safe for 5years :p | 05:49 |
| BabaNK | but 14.04 is not fully released.. it is in testing version | 05:50 |
| lotuspsychje | yes, ive tested it on my desktop | 05:50 |
| lotuspsychje | and i find it real stable already | 05:50 |
| lotuspsychje | but that would be your choice ofcourse | 05:50 |
| lotuspsychje | depends on what you want/need | 05:50 |
| lotuspsychje | you can wait till april full release aswell | 05:52 |
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| kandinski | hi, any idea how can I reset all compiz effects? | 09:55 |
| kandinski | they are slowing down my display a lot on intel embedded graphics | 09:55 |
| BluesKaj | hiyas all | 11:24 |
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| pero | is it normal for apt to be grabbing 26mb of package lists on update? | 17:43 |
| penguin42 | I think the full lists are pretty big like that | 17:45 |
| pero | is it like that on <14.04? i don't remember | 17:59 |
| jtaylor | pero: in development version you update the full list every time | 18:01 |
| jtaylor | post release it is split into the not changing base + updates | 18:02 |
| jtaylor | only updates changes so its usually much smaller | 18:02 |
| pero | makes sense, thx | 18:02 |
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| Fudge | where is correct place to bug report against unity in daily trusty images | 21:57 |
| trism | Fudge: you can still use: ubuntu-bug unity; | 21:57 |
| Fudge | thanks trism have not used that before | 22:00 |
| Fudge | looking to actually file a bug against unity though, not a crash. | 22:01 |
| trism | Fudge: yes it should still let you, unless something changed recently | 22:05 |
| Fudge | thanks | 22:09 |
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| Fudge | works great, thanks trism | 22:38 |
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| Fudge | anyone else experiencing buffering issues on totem streaming LAN media | 23:38 |
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