[01:45] curious* i was just wondering if this is the chat line Ubuntu-developers hangout at? [02:18] not really [02:18] more like beta testers [03:23] will the 14.04 alpha auto upgrade to full version when it's released ? [03:26] Hydr0p0nX: there is only the one 14.04 version.. its not a "rolling release", but the repositories get updates as they come in [03:28] While i know it's not perfect, does it seem relatively stable ? [03:29] Hydr0p0nX: its not released yet [03:30] Hydr0p0nX: if you want stable, or released, use the released version. 14.04 could be rock solid now and for many days, then have an issue [03:32] released versions have an issue [03:33] i understand how pre-releases work, i'm asking for an opinion [03:33] Hydr0p0nX: sure.. and, specific hardware cases dont support linux well [03:33] Hydr0p0nX: the fact is, its not out yet. if you want stable, go with one of the stable releases.. [03:51] Hydr0p0nX: I only use it for development with gnome-session-fallback (not Unity), and it has been stable for me [03:52] sorry, it's called gnome-session-flashback now [03:54] i'm looking to use it for a mythbox, 13.10 livecd has an issue with my usb keyboard/mouse, but hdmi audio out works, 12.04 has an issue with hdmi audio but keyboard/mouse work right [03:54] hoping with 14.04 both work [03:54] try it live and see.. you can just not run updates til april [04:15] hello [04:15] can anyone help me get google earth to work properly? [04:16] my system is amd64 14.04 [04:16] pgnome: not here, likely.. i would try whatever version of ubuntu google earth supports officially [04:16] I installed 32-bit GE [04:17] pgnome: you could try the 64bit one, since you are running 64bit [04:17] I thought I had to use 32-bit and multiarch [04:17] I am using skype currently without problems and it's 32-bit w/ multiarch installed [04:18] I don't understand why I'm having a problem [04:18] I googled the error message and it might have to do with lib files? [04:18] ./googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [04:18] I don't understand the error enough - but [04:19] pgnome: they may not support 14.04 [04:20] pgnome: libglu1-mesa:i386 maybe [04:25] issue with hdmi audio out? [04:25] that has worked for me since pre-10.04 [04:28] Patrickdk: maybe its using another audio driver? [04:28] maybe [04:28] I only use nvidia cards, they use the intel driver [04:28] Patrickdk: also its still in test phase, so alot can change in the future [04:29] Patrickdk: play around a bit, if you cant get it straight file a bug [04:29] do what? [04:29] Patrickdk: report a bug [04:29] a bug for what? [04:29] Patrickdk: for your issue? [04:29] * Patrickdk not believing that 14.04 would support hdmi audio for something that didn't before? [04:30] there's a solution for everything right [04:30] sounds like something in 14.04 default config changed to make the hdmi audio work, I seriously doubt it was a driver issue [04:30] I never said there was a problem [04:30] lack of reading on your part :) [04:30] oh, sorry it never worked [04:30] but now it works? [04:30] I said it's worked since pre-10.04 [04:30] what part of that is a *bug* [04:31] nvm [04:31] but I didn't say it worked out of the box [04:32] hdmi audio did take me several hours, probably a good 10 total, to get working [04:32] working reliable and rock solid [04:32] trusty seems solid to me [04:33] things kept defaulting to the onboard soundcard, or non-digital [04:33] took a bit to find and adjust all the configs [04:33] what did the trick exactly? [04:34] a few things, loading the intel driver with correct options, so the hdmi audio was always in a predictable place (first sound card) [04:34] second was to adjust the config files for alsa, vlc, pulse, ... to use the correct digital sound port on the card [04:34] i see [04:34] I wanted digital, for at3/dts passthough [04:35] that was just extra for me [04:35] ac3 [04:35] but as he wants it for mythtv, likely the same for him [04:36] only alittle annoying to do, but since I do it for mythtv also [04:36] it's easy to replicate, just clone another machine, and off it goes [04:36] nice one [04:37] mine are iscsi boot, so it's I do just clone the disk image, and the new machine iscsi boots off it :) [04:37] harddrives produce as much heat as the cpu [04:38] you can clone an ubuntu install with that to another pc? [04:38] it's easy to clone, do it all the time [04:38] only a few things to adjust [04:38] sounds nice [04:38] doesnt install is a bit strange on iscsi? [04:39] change hostname, change udev/rules/70-persistant-net, and hosts.conf [04:39] i had a user once struggling with it [04:39] if you use a desktop isntall, it's a pain [04:39] if you use the server install, it just works [04:39] he had to give a username:password or something [04:39] ic [04:39] that is optional, depending on how you setup iscsi security [04:39] no security, not needed [04:39] if you use chap security, then you need it [04:40] and if you do 2way chap security, you need it twice :) [04:40] client and host [04:40] I know all this very good, and I had a hell of a time attempting it using ubuntu desktop iso [04:40] well as you talk about it, it sounds easy :p [04:41] the catch with the iscsi install is only if you secure it via initiator name [04:41] ubuntu installer will pick a random name, then give the install another random name [04:41] you have to browse the network for that file right? [04:41] heh? [04:41] what file? [04:41] hmm not sure anymore [04:41] or link to the host [04:42] in your network [04:42] so the desktop knows where the host is? [04:42] yes [04:42] or can you setup standalone also? [04:43] heh? the whole point of iscsi is it's not local [04:43] if you wanted standalone you would install it to the local disk :) [04:43] yes, but could one install ubuntu server to run it standalone [04:43] dunno what that means [04:43] run it standalone? [04:44] okay, i think thats what this user have a real pain [04:44] he wanted to in stall ubuntu desktop on an iscsi machine [04:44] without the other host [04:44] standalone desktop.. [04:44] so ubuntu setup asked a network l:p [04:45] I think your confusing something [04:45] without the other host? [04:45] dont you have to link always to other iscsi? [04:45] yes [04:45] it's like the sata cable going to your harddrive [04:45] if the network to your iscsi host/target isn't working [04:45] well, your cable to your disk isn't plugged in [04:46] hard to install without a disk [04:46] link to your own local drive then? [04:47] then your not using iscsi [04:47] for me, the point was not to waste power/heat from the local drive [04:47] mainly heat/noise [04:47] so it loading from my server, that is always on anyways, was ideal [04:48] i see [04:48] half the office at work, I do it the same way [04:48] the computers iscsi boot windows from the server [04:48] the server can manage snapshots, restore, reimage, ... [04:49] since those are temporary usage machines, I reset the image after each use, so it's clean [04:49] at home here, I do the same thing, just lots of ubuntu iscsi boot machines, for mythtv, and kids [04:49] so you running trusty everywhere? [04:49] dunno what trusty is [04:50] 14.04 [04:50] that is what 14.04 is called? [04:50] yes [04:50] na, I used to be very active doing this [04:50] but since 13.04 we kindof got pushed out [04:50] but you run it right now ? [04:50] with the ubuntu quality overhaul [04:50] not yet [04:50] I will be soon [04:50] why do you ask in this chan then? [04:50] now that the holidays are over [04:51] I have been in this channel for 6 years [04:51] ok [04:51] ask? [04:51] I was responding to someone else asking [04:51] or discuss [04:51] ah [04:51] dunno :) [04:51] no other channels where active [04:51] I normally don't talk in here often [04:52] :p [04:52] I do read though, to keep up [04:52] my plan is to install LTS everywhere for users [04:52] but going be putting 14.04 server through it's tests [04:52] and since I do a lot of iscsi, I will be testing iscsi a lot [04:52] I would almost always find a bug or two for iscsi installs before each release [04:53] well good news for the iscsi freakz then :p [04:53] so have to get moving on those [04:53] ya, they do automated kvm iscsi tests now [04:54] since the tests are all local to the same machine, they seem not to catch some timing issues [04:54] that my tests seem to catch using real networks [04:55] after all that testing, I'll have to migrate my ppa's to 14.04, that can take awhile [04:55] then likely in 2015, I'll be upgrading everything :) [04:56] did you follow iscsi ubuntu tutorials? [04:56] nope [04:56] self search? [04:56] I guess if you want to setup an iscsi server, you could [04:56] but to do it as a client, no real need to [04:56] it's just simple enough [04:56] if i understand what it does [04:57] I'm not using ubuntu for my iscsi host/target [04:57] ic [04:58] anyway bbl [04:58] tnx for talk === Rallias is now known as Gasseus [05:19] rhythmbox on 14.04 is terribly buggy :( [05:24] not that i'm surprised [05:39] hi all [05:39] i've upgraded to 14.04 [05:40] now my xwindows completly messed up either with unity or gnome [05:40] when i login with unity then only blankscreen [05:40] i reinstalled unity compiz [05:40] and uninstall gnome [05:40] still same problem [05:40] can anybody help me [05:41] i can only enter into ctrl+alt+f1 [05:41] BabaNK: wich 14.04 iso did you install? [05:41] no i did dist-upgrade -d [05:41] BabaNK: 14.04 is still in test phase right [05:42] yup i know [05:42] BabaNK: maybe a clean install would run smoother? [05:42] after upgrade first time it worked... then it stopped working (unity) [05:42] BabaNK: maybe to a recoverymode and failsafeX? [05:42] download ISO and install it? [05:42] BabaNK: might be your graphics drivers [05:43] my xlog doesnt throw any error [05:43] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [05:43] i got iso from here [05:43] works flawless on my desktop [05:43] but screen is blank when i did startx from command prompt [05:44] or if i start gui then login screen will come after i enter password then blankscreen [05:44] try recoverymode mate, fix broken packages or failsafex [05:44] see what it does [05:44] otherwise: clean install [05:45] BabaNK: what was your previous version? [05:45] ubuntu 13.10 [05:45] BabaNK: i think thats the prob [05:45] BabaNK: from non-LTS to LTS [05:46] BabaNK: i would recommend to clean install 14.04 [05:46] ooo ok [05:46] see if you still got issues then [05:46] clean install will take at least 8 hours (download iso, take backup, install it :( ) [05:46] BabaNK: backup your data before ok [05:46] yes i know mate [05:47] but upgrade from non-lts to lts can be tricky [05:47] lts means? [05:47] !lts [05:47] LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server; with the exception of 12.04 (Precise Pangolin), which will be supported for 5 years on the desktop. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Precise (Precise Pangolin 12.04) [05:48] so 13.10 is non-lts? [05:48] so 14.04 will be lts, 5 years support [05:48] indeed [05:48] 13.10 9 months support [05:49] BabaNK: so if you clean install 14.04 you will be safe for 5years :p [05:50] but 14.04 is not fully released.. it is in testing version [05:50] yes, ive tested it on my desktop [05:50] and i find it real stable already [05:50] but that would be your choice ofcourse [05:50] depends on what you want/need [05:52] you can wait till april full release aswell === LjL^ is now known as LjL [09:55] hi, any idea how can I reset all compiz effects? [09:55] they are slowing down my display a lot on intel embedded graphics [11:24] hiyas all === LjL^ is now known as LjL === LjL^ is now known as LjL === Gasseus is now known as Rallias === em is now known as emma === G4MBY2 is now known as PaulW2U === PaulW2U is now known as Guest70302 === Guest70302 is now known as PaulW2U === paddy_ is now known as paddy [17:43] is it normal for apt to be grabbing 26mb of package lists on update? [17:45] I think the full lists are pretty big like that [17:59] is it like that on <14.04? i don't remember [18:01] pero: in development version you update the full list every time [18:02] post release it is split into the not changing base + updates [18:02] only updates changes so its usually much smaller [18:02] makes sense, thx === LjL is now known as LjL-Away === JanC_ is now known as JanC === alnr is now known as alnr2 === alnr2 is now known as alnr === hobgoblin is now known as elfy === Logan__ is now known as Logan_ === Fyodorovna is now known as Beldar === It is now known as Wug === io is now known as IdleOne === Logan__ is now known as Logan_ === JanC_ is now known as Guest69838 === G4MBY2 is now known as PaulW2U === scottb_ is now known as scottb === JanC__ is now known as JanC === yofel_ is now known as yofel === e4ward is now known as alnr === JanC__ is now known as JanC [21:57] where is correct place to bug report against unity in daily trusty images [21:57] Fudge: you can still use: ubuntu-bug unity; [22:00] thanks trism have not used that before [22:01] looking to actually file a bug against unity though, not a crash. [22:05] Fudge: yes it should still let you, unless something changed recently [22:09] thanks === LjL^ is now known as LjL [22:38] works great, thanks trism === LjL is now known as LjL-Away [23:38] anyone else experiencing buffering issues on totem streaming LAN media