| brainwash | for trusty? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Unit193 | Well, it's already a transitional package now, so doesn't exist. | 00:08 |
| Unit193 | !info gcalctool | 00:08 |
| ubottu | gcalctool (source: gnome-calculator): gnome-calculator is a powerful graphical calculator for GNOME (transitional package). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:3.8.2-1ubuntu4 (saucy), package size 42 kB, installed size 88 kB | 00:08 |
| brainwash | could have been changed in raring already :P | 00:17 |
| Unit193 | But wasn't, so why not now? | 00:17 |
| ochosi | indeed | 00:18 |
| brainwash | I like changes | 00:18 |
| brainwash | so lets make sure that trusty will be awesome | 00:18 |
| ran | hi. there is a known bug about logging the results of fsck? | 02:21 |
| holstein | ran: not that im aware of.. did you see anything in lp? | 02:22 |
| Unit193 | /var/log/fsck exists, but nothing of interest for me. | 02:23 |
| holstein | i have nothing logged there | 02:24 |
| ran | im not a developer, but in the past boot.log has showed the results of fsck. sorry about my english. | 02:26 |
| ran | this is very important data, and this was the only easy way to read the results of fsck. | 02:29 |
| Unit193 | ran: 1. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/513644 2. What happens if you remove quiet from the grub options? | 02:48 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 513644 in mountall (Ubuntu) "Does not log fsck invocations in /var/log/fsck/" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 02:48 |
| ran | i dont see anything, until the password screen. | 02:57 |
| Unit193 | http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/xubuntu Huh. | 06:49 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, PPA updated, will indicator need a rebuild? | 07:57 |
| Noskcaj | hey elfy | 07:57 |
| elfy | hi Noskcaj | 07:58 |
| Noskcaj | the version of panel in my ppa is updated to git master, thanks to Unit193 | 07:59 |
| elfy | ok - apt will be having a look shortly I'd hope - keeping an eye on software updater working - not that I use it when it tells me :p | 08:00 |
| Unit193 | Noskcaj: Shouldn't. Also, you version weirdly. :P | 08:08 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, For panel, it's copying from lionel's PPA | 08:08 |
| Noskcaj | for everything else, stop h8ing ;) | 08:09 |
| Unit193 | Nah. .master.gitdoij44r. ;P | 08:09 |
| Unit193 | Anywho, you should be set then. | 08:09 |
| Noskcaj | now if apt-get update would be less slow, i could actually test it | 08:10 |
| elfy | fast enough here :p | 08:11 |
| elfy | just got those updates - what does the newer panel fix? | 08:12 |
| Noskcaj | It's actually from master, for one | 08:12 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Tries to fix transparency, not quite though. | 08:12 |
| elfy | the whole panel is now transparent - not just the indicator bit | 08:15 |
| elfy | is that what you mean by not quite? | 08:15 |
| elfy | nvm | 08:16 |
| elfy | had it set to transparent - it's just not been working for ages - forgot the setting :D | 08:16 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Wait, so everything is actually working now? | 08:17 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Can you set a panel bg? | 08:17 |
| elfy | looks to be | 08:17 |
| elfy | hang on will look | 08:17 |
| Unit193 | Hrm, I may have to install it. | 08:17 |
| elfy | yep | 08:18 |
| elfy | lets me set bg fine | 08:19 |
| Unit193 | Well that was issue one, second was icons too large and indicator-sound had dumb deps or recommends. I'll try it for sure though on a VM or something that's easier to revert. | 08:20 |
| elfy | only oddity I can see at moment - right click on something populating panel to get it's menu - highlights in system colour | 08:20 |
| elfy | right click on ind panel and highlighting is odd | 08:21 |
| elfy | not easy to explain that - so http://i.imgur.com/yYLDQmZ.png | 08:24 |
| Unit193 | Ah, strange, but not too bad. | 08:27 |
| elfy | nope - I agree - not 'bad' but strange :) | 08:27 |
| elfy | all in all - it's looking good imo | 08:27 |
| elfy | nice to have the gtk3 inds - even if we don't want to use them | 08:28 |
| Noskcaj | hey DanChapman | 08:29 |
| DanChapman | Noskcaj, hey there :-) | 08:29 |
| elfy | hi DanChapman | 08:30 |
| DanChapman | Good Morning elfy | 08:30 |
| Unit193 | Yep, would be easier on here since it only has indicator-messages-gtk2 indicator-status-provider-pidgin libappindicator1 libappindicator3-1 and libindicator-messages-status-provider1 from other releases. | 08:32 |
| elfy | wouldn't know - too voodooie for me :p | 08:33 |
| Unit193 | indicator-sound is held too, libindicator7 and indicator-messages it seems as well. :P | 08:34 |
| Unit193 | VM it is. | 08:34 |
| elfy | mmm - I see date is still borked though | 08:35 |
| Unit193 | Menulibre2 should hopefully be ready for testing soon. | 08:35 |
| elfy | good | 08:36 |
| elfy | #panicsetsin | 08:36 |
| elfy | changing theme or icons still sets the ind panel to transparent | 09:13 |
| ochosi | elfy: that's not only a problem related to the panel | 09:22 |
| ochosi | all gtk3 apps have a hard time with changing themes | 09:22 |
| ochosi | you have to mostly close and restart them after changing themes | 09:22 |
| ochosi | one of the less-fun regressions of gtk3 over gtk2 | 09:23 |
| elfy | ok - I thought that was the case - just pointing out what I see :) | 09:23 |
| ochosi | sure thing | 09:24 |
| elfy | the date thing is odd - saw a bug for it - but if we're not using that ind then I'm meh | 09:24 |
| ochosi | i think the indicator-plugin also needs an update | 09:25 |
| ochosi | we're using the latest release, but there were some fixes after that with respect to label width | 09:25 |
| ochosi | so this is how the new panel looks in saucy: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-01052014-102435am.php | 09:25 |
| ochosi | Unit193: ^ | 09:25 |
| Unit193 | Yeah, wasn't sure if you wanted to move back to snapshots since he kindly released some for you. | 09:26 |
| ochosi | "he"? | 09:26 |
| elfy | ochosi: if you were looking at the terminal icon in a panel like that - I'm not surprised you thought it was ok :) | 09:27 |
| ochosi | elfy: haha, no well that never worked until just now ;) | 09:27 |
| elfy | :p | 09:27 |
| ochosi | so does transparency work for you now in trusty? | 09:27 |
| elfy | yep | 09:27 |
| ochosi | sweet | 09:27 |
| ochosi | for the whole panel? | 09:27 |
| ochosi | or just the gtk3 indicators | 09:27 |
| elfy | http://imagebin.org/285245 | 09:28 |
| ochosi | and fwiw, i think i'll have to add text-shadows to the indicators in our theme (as you can see in the incosnsitency between the clock and the power-indicator time) | 09:28 |
| ochosi | nice | 09:28 |
| ochosi | feel free to remove the frame around the systray ;) | 09:29 |
| elfy | I just did :) | 09:29 |
| ochosi | actually, do you not have indicator-application installed? | 09:29 |
| ochosi | because the nm-applet should also be an indicator | 09:29 |
| elfy | 12.10.1+14.04.20131125-0ubuntu1 | 09:30 |
| ochosi | brainwash: sorry, i can't reproduce your xfdesktop theming problem so far (have relogged a few times now) | 09:30 |
| elfy | ochosi: it is installed | 09:30 |
| ochosi | strange that it isn't in use then... | 09:30 |
| elfy | yea - sitting in notification area that is | 09:31 |
| elfy | and it's not hidden | 09:31 |
| elfy | so other than that not working here - the only real odd looking thing is workspace switcher bg being black when it has miniature view | 09:33 |
| elfy | looking good :) | 09:34 |
| ochosi | it should normall automatically only show an indicator once indicator-application is found and the systray-icon is hidden automatically | 09:34 |
| ochosi | nice, good to hear | 09:34 |
| ochosi | well that's a problem of the workspace switcher itself, it was always like that | 09:34 |
| ochosi | so it isn't a regression | 09:35 |
| elfy | yea - understood - no idea why that application indicator isn't working here | 09:35 |
| ochosi | yeah, we should try to find out | 09:35 |
| elfy | yep - realise it's not a regression | 09:35 |
| ochosi | what if you e.g. start transmission? | 09:35 |
| ochosi | that should also have an app-indicator | 09:35 |
| elfy | doesn't show up | 09:35 |
| ochosi | or, if you go to the settings of the indicator plugin | 09:36 |
| ochosi | http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-01052014-103614am.php | 09:36 |
| ochosi | should look like this ^ | 09:36 |
| elfy | not got session management | 09:36 |
| ochosi | well that's just another indicator | 09:37 |
| elfy | I have bluetooth and kbd hidden | 09:37 |
| ochosi | so application is there? | 09:38 |
| ochosi | in the list i mean | 09:38 |
| ochosi | if not, check if you accidentally have indicator-application-gtk2 installed as well | 09:38 |
| elfy | it is in the list | 09:38 |
| ochosi | hm | 09:39 |
| ochosi | can you still check whether you have the gtk2 package installed? | 09:39 |
| ochosi | (that'd at least explain it) | 09:39 |
| elfy | not installed | 09:39 |
| elfy | ind-application/libappindicator3-1 and xfce4-indicator-plugin | 09:40 |
| elfy | are the only things installed synaptic finds with indicator-applica | 09:40 |
| ochosi | ok | 09:41 |
| ochosi | then we have to find the problem elsewhere | 09:41 |
| elfy | http://imagebin.org/285247 | 09:42 |
| elfy | just so you know what it looks like here | 09:42 |
| elfy | as always - more than happy to install/remove/fiddle with things as people point them out | 09:42 |
| ochosi | so the main regression is gone, we should really start trying to get that in the archive now | 09:43 |
| ochosi | ok, thanks elfy | 09:44 |
| Unit193 | Erm, would have to wait on garcon and 3.11 release, I'd think. | 09:45 |
| elfy | what was the main regression then? | 09:46 |
| ochosi | Unit193: you mean a 4.11.1 release of the panel? | 09:47 |
| Unit193 | Yep. | 09:47 |
| ochosi | elfy: transparency and bg-image setting failed | 09:47 |
| ochosi | Unit193: i'm not really sure that'll happen in time | 09:47 |
| elfy | ochosi: oh right - that's been missing for a while | 09:48 |
| elfy | good to have it back though :) | 09:48 |
| ochosi | yup | 09:48 |
| ochosi | Unit193: problem is, we can't pressure upstream to do a release of the panel just on behalf of our schedule | 09:49 |
| ochosi | i mean we can, but it's not nice and probably won't work | 09:49 |
| elfy | ochosi: I always end up with a desktop full of screenshots as soon as I start talking to you ... | 09:51 |
| elfy | :) | 09:51 |
| ochosi | hehe | 09:51 |
| ochosi | more problems? | 09:51 |
| elfy | no - not at all :) | 09:52 |
| ochosi | good :) | 09:52 |
| elfy | the only shame is the lack of command history in whisker menu | 09:52 |
| elfy | I'll start hassling bluesabre for menulibre2 soon :) | 09:53 |
| ochosi | yeah, well, not strictly a regression over the classical menu | 09:53 |
| ochosi | from what i read, it's almost finished | 09:53 |
| elfy | yep - read that in scrollback | 09:53 |
| elfy | no - not a regression - but without that I'm a bit +0 on whisker-menu | 09:54 |
| elfy | ochosi: do you know what the current state of play with light locker is - I've lost track completely | 10:11 |
| ochosi | elfy: are you using/testing it atm? | 10:15 |
| elfy | yep | 10:16 |
| elfy | just the lock screen issue - I think - I saw something from jarnos re a fix from xfce end - but not had the chance to look more | 10:18 |
| elfy | ie - lock screen isn't working with the patch hanging about on the LP bug report | 10:18 |
| ochosi | so you edited /usr/bin/xflock4 and added the line for light-locker? | 10:19 |
| elfy | yea | 10:19 |
| ochosi | could you paste the content of the file? | 10:20 |
| elfy | the one I saw from jarnos was a lot of change - I did try renaming the current xflock4 to .bak and just putting in that one - but then lock screen just ended up disabled in the menu | 10:20 |
| elfy | http://pastebin.com/v2Gwszyy | 10:21 |
| elfy | current xflock4 | 10:21 |
| elfy | http://bug-attachment.xfce.org/attachment.cgi?id=5295 was the thing I tried to use | 10:22 |
| ochosi | and you have xscreensaver uninstalled i presume? | 10:22 |
| elfy | yep | 10:22 |
| ochosi | with the file you pasted it should work | 10:22 |
| elfy | and no gnome-screensaver obviously | 10:22 |
| elfy | yea - that was what I thought - doesn't though | 10:22 |
| ochosi | you could try to run xflock4 from the terminal and see whether there's any output at all | 10:22 |
| elfy | just returns to the prompt | 10:23 |
| ochosi | odd | 10:24 |
| ochosi | and running light-locker-command -l directly? | 10:25 |
| elfy | this particular install was a new vanilla - to which I added the few PPAs to get panel/tabwin etc in | 10:25 |
| elfy | light-locker: command not found | 10:26 |
| ochosi | do you have light-locker installed? | 10:26 |
| elfy | LMAO | 10:26 |
| elfy | yes ... now ... | 10:27 |
| elfy | I told you I was all over the place ... | 10:27 |
| ochosi | ;) | 10:27 |
| ochosi | then the xflock4 patch should work better | 10:27 |
| elfy | ok - so light-locker works ok ... | 10:27 |
| ochosi | although after installing, you might have to restart your session | 10:27 |
| elfy | just did it - locked and logged back in | 10:27 |
| ochosi | sweet | 10:27 |
| elfy | sorry for wasting time :( | 10:27 |
| ochosi | no problem at all | 10:28 |
| ochosi | the main thing is that it works | 10:28 |
| ochosi | so please test that as much as you can :) | 10:28 |
| ochosi | (suspend etc) | 10:28 |
| ochosi | i'll try to get a few fixes needed for that into the greeter asap | 10:28 |
| elfy | ok | 10:29 |
| ochosi | (currently it may show "log in" where it should say "unlock" after suspending) | 10:30 |
| elfy | I'll look now | 10:33 |
| elfy | suspend comes right back to the desktop, perhaps it will need rebooting | 10:34 |
| ochosi | possible, not sure | 10:34 |
| elfy | locking - shows 'unlock' | 10:34 |
| ochosi | ok, that's good | 10:34 |
| elfy | I'll reboot now - and then check what happens with suspend | 10:35 |
| elfy | ochosi: ok - a few observations | 10:41 |
| elfy | 1 - still got grey screen thing - assume that's somthing else anyway | 10:42 |
| elfy | 2 - lock screen - works fine, showed 'lock' not login - came back to apps open when I locked screen | 10:42 |
| ochosi | ad 1: yeah, that takes a few PPAs and not even then it's working for everyone | 10:43 |
| elfy | 3 - suspend - showed me screen lock warning as it went down / when I brought it back - went to login - logged in to desktop with none of the apps open when I suspended / the 'names' of the various items on the desktop were in a highlighted box - all of them | 10:44 |
| elfy | had to logout - then login again and got the session stuff back | 10:44 |
| elfy | that's all I saw | 10:45 |
| ochosi | hm, 3 is strange | 10:45 |
| brainwash | highlight box.. that's the xfdesktop theme bug :D | 10:45 |
| ochosi | but i'll ask you to test again after i pushed some fixes to the greeter for that | 10:45 |
| elfy | ok | 10:45 |
| elfy | brainwash: thanks | 10:46 |
| elfy | certainly this morning when I brought it back from suspend without light-locker installed it worked fine - other than just coming straight back to the desktop with no password :D | 10:46 |
| elfy | so not really working 'fine' ... | 10:47 |
| brainwash | elfy: did you set the env var "INDICATOR_ALLOW_NO_WATCHERS=yes"? | 10:47 |
| brainwash | if no, the nm-applet might fail to load as indicator | 10:47 |
| brainwash | and fall back to notification icon | 10:47 |
| elfy | ochosi: I tend to know when things get updated - I read the list of updated packages, if I see a light locker change I will be on the case to test suspend | 10:48 |
| brainwash | see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators | 10:48 |
| brainwash | known issues | 10:48 |
| elfy | brainwash: yep - did that - got all indicators here - excecpt the app inds for some reason | 10:48 |
| brainwash | elfy: are you sure that your system was able to suspend properly? the open apps should no vanish and stay open | 10:50 |
| brainwash | not | 10:50 |
| elfy | suspended - told me it was suspending - gave me some warning screen - turned off - came back to login screen - logged in - none of the open apps appeared - and they do that for any sort of restart for me | 10:51 |
| brainwash | and did the desktop icons look like this (right side) http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/onetwo.php ? | 10:51 |
| elfy | so - logically I would say that it's not suspending properly with light-locker installed | 10:52 |
| elfy | brainwash: yep - that's what I had - not orange though | 10:52 |
| elfy | 2 ticks - I'll see if it replicates | 10:52 |
| brainwash | the orange part is the default look with numix theme | 10:53 |
| ochosi | brainwash: looks like ambiance actually | 10:53 |
| elfy | ok - that cam back properly that time - just said login instead of unlock | 10:55 |
| brainwash | I'll update my panel now and restore the missing items (compiling from source broke the wrapper-1.0 somehow, so some panel items got removed) | 10:56 |
| ochosi | elfy: that's the known issue | 10:56 |
| elfy | fleetingly saw a light locker message when it came back this time as well | 10:56 |
| ochosi | that's not a huge problem i think | 10:56 |
| ochosi | the locker message i mean | 10:56 |
| elfy | ok - so not sure why I got all that earlier stuff - but the last 2 or 3 suspends seemed to be ok | 10:57 |
| elfy | yep | 10:57 |
| elfy | ochosi: understood | 10:57 |
| ochosi | ok, nice | 10:57 |
| brainwash | login button instead of unlock one -> bug 1264563 | 10:57 |
| ubottu | bug 1264563 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "switch-to-greeter does not set lock hint" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1264563 | 10:57 |
| elfy | so - that's looking good - even better when it's installed :p | 10:57 |
| ochosi | hehe | 10:58 |
| elfy | knome: nice easy job for you to do - it's more than 48 hours now :) | 10:58 |
| knome | what is | 10:58 |
| elfy | and the 3 proposed people are missing from -team :) | 10:58 |
| ochosi | nice catch :) | 10:59 |
| elfy | I'm starting to wake up a bit ... | 10:59 |
| elfy | it's been a rather rubbish 4 weeks | 11:00 |
| knome | heh, yeah | 11:00 |
| knome | elfy, what do you mean "missing" | 11:01 |
| knome | O:P | 11:01 |
| elfy | better late than never :D | 11:01 |
| knome | yeah, being too exact never was the point | 11:03 |
| elfy | brainwash: I me too'd that | 11:03 |
| knome | but thanks for the reminder | 11:03 |
| elfy | knome: lol - welcome :) | 11:03 |
| knome | also tweeted that | 11:03 |
| knome | https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/419786110185648128 | 11:04 |
| elfy | slicky at least was someone I wanted in to team last cycle | 11:04 |
| elfy | woot | 11:04 |
| elfy | knome: that trello board set up for qa seems to be working well as a tool by the way | 11:06 |
| knome | aha | 11:07 |
| knome | what are you working on in there | 11:07 |
| elfy | http://imagebin.org/285258 | 11:08 |
| elfy | !team | 11:22 |
| ubottu | bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, micahg, mr_pouit, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, Unit193 | 11:22 |
| elfy | knome: best change that as well then :p | 11:22 |
| knome | what now | 11:22 |
| knome | :P | 11:22 |
| elfy | I'm really waking up ... | 11:22 |
| knome | my internet is meh | 11:22 |
| knome | just started lagging | 11:22 |
| elfy | I'd lend you some if I could | 11:22 |
| elfy | not much - just some :p | 11:23 |
| knome | ughhh | 11:34 |
| elfy | that good ... | 11:51 |
| brainwash | replaced my compiled version of xfce4-panel with the new PPA one, transparency is working now, but the mail and sound indicator are using a second (empty) row again | 12:11 |
| brainwash | in deskbar mode I mean | 12:12 |
| elfy | brainwash: looks ok here in deskbar mode | 12:16 |
| elfy | jarnos: hi - caught your comments earlier re light-locker - thanks for those | 12:17 |
| elfy | fixed it - I didn't have light-locker installed at all ... | 12:18 |
| elfy | brainwash: http://imagebin.org/285266 | 12:19 |
| brainwash | elfy: does it look ok after login? if you switch the mode mid session the glitch might not occur | 12:19 |
| elfy | checking that | 12:20 |
| brainwash | what happens if you hover over the mail indicator? | 12:20 |
| brainwash | how big is the highlight box | 12:20 |
| elfy | 2 rows - the deskbar is set at 2 rows | 12:20 |
| elfy | aligned ind to left - highlights 2 rows | 12:21 |
| ochosi | hover-size = panel-width x icon-height+widget-padding | 12:21 |
| elfy | hang on - logging out/in | 12:21 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i've lost track of that a bit over the holidays, but what's the status quo of the flicker-free desktop-transition? | 12:21 |
| ochosi | do we have PPAs that fix that for everyone now? | 12:21 |
| ochosi | or does it still need stuff compiled from source | 12:22 |
| elfy | brainwash: no change | 12:22 |
| brainwash | ochosi: yes, Unit193's PPA (xfwm4, optionally xfdesktop) and a recent version of lightdm-gtk-greeter (1.7.0 for example) | 12:23 |
| brainwash | elfy: thanks | 12:23 |
| elfy | setting the panel back to not really annoying now then :) | 12:23 |
| jarnos | elfy, you are welcome | 12:24 |
| brainwash | ochosi: and it works for me (worked all the time with ali1234's fixes) | 12:24 |
| elfy | back later - have a good day | 12:26 |
| ochosi | brainwash: has it worked for others as well? | 12:28 |
| elfy | before I go - odd thing - panel preferences - hover over auto show and hide to get the tooltip | 12:34 |
| elfy | you get the same tooltip on don't reserve space now | 12:35 |
| elfy | seems that the don't reserve space thing doesn't make a difference now too - previously an app wouldn't overlap panel iirc | 12:37 |
| ochosi | ? | 12:38 |
| ochosi | the tooltips aren't the same for me here | 12:38 |
| ochosi | and the functionality is also different | 12:38 |
| ochosi | elfy ^ | 12:38 |
| brainwash | ochosi: not sure, Unit193 reported a strange black screen flicker | 12:38 |
| ochosi | autohide hides the panel when there's no mouse-over | 12:39 |
| ochosi | reserve-space keeps the panel on top of everything, so maximized windows go underneath it | 12:39 |
| elfy | mmm - definitely the same tooltip here | 12:39 |
| brainwash | ochosi: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/i269.php | 12:39 |
| ochosi | that is very strange, we're using the same package | 12:40 |
| ochosi | brainwash: must be a problem with deskbar and indicators | 12:40 |
| elfy | ochosi: - yea - agreed with the functionality - could have sworn that resizing would do the same behaviour | 12:40 |
| elfy | but definitely different toolktips | 12:40 |
| elfy | sigh | 12:41 |
| elfy | s/different/the same | 12:41 |
| ochosi | i thought the tooltips are the same? | 12:41 |
| ochosi | ah | 12:41 |
| * ochosi is a little confused | 12:41 | |
| ochosi | so the functionality works | 12:41 |
| ochosi | ? | 12:41 |
| brainwash | ochosi: but I don't understand, it did not happen with my compiled version of the panel (git master), but now it happens again with the PPA version | 12:41 |
| elfy | ochosi: yea - just rechecked - just tooltip oddity | 12:41 |
| ochosi | elfy: still weird. could you ask other trusty testers about this later? | 12:42 |
| ochosi | brainwash: it doesn't seem to happen for me with all indicators | 12:43 |
| elfy | http://imgur.com/2cVgrlj,94e3V4T#0 | 12:43 |
| elfy | ochosi: yep will do | 12:43 |
| ochosi | brainwash: it might have something to do with the ellipsizing that was added recently (i.e. after the 2.2.0 release) of the indicator-plugin | 12:43 |
| ochosi | elfy: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-01052014-014429pm.php | 12:44 |
| ochosi | brainwash: doesn't happen with nm-applet, "only" with sound and power | 12:45 |
| brainwash | right | 12:45 |
| brainwash | and messages | 12:45 |
| elfy | ochosi: mmm - odd - I'll ask people ealry this week | 12:45 |
| elfy | really off now | 12:45 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i think we might need the latest git version of the indicator-plugin as well to fix that | 12:45 |
| ochosi | ok, ttyl elfy | 12:46 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: Netbook is good, VM has the flicker. | 15:24 |
| ochosi | could be due to VM graphics drivers? | 15:39 |
| ali1234 | yesterday i loaded up gnome shell inside virtualbox... omg the flickering everywhere | 16:34 |
| ali1234 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuVQYr5KzP8 <- flickering not caused by youtube. this is what it actually looked like | 16:34 |
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| ochosi | hey xnox | 17:33 |
| xnox | hi | 17:44 |
| lderan | hi xnox :D | 17:48 |
| ochosi | xnox: i don't want to bother you long or steal too much of your time, but first of all, thanks a lot in advance! your offer to help is very much appreciated! | 17:49 |
| ochosi | whenever you have time for that, we could quickly go through what is needed the most | 17:49 |
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| elfy | ochosi: is there a simple reason why my alt tab is square and not rounded like you see here https://plus.google.com/106086509626546157534/posts/69DtYWSJjss | 19:36 |
| jarnos | brainwash, where did you get recent light-locker from? | 19:38 |
| ochosi | elfy: i guess you're not using Unit193's PPA (or if you do, it was superseded recently by the xfce4.12 PPA) | 19:38 |
| elfy | ochosi: was sure I was | 19:39 |
| elfy | though I have the 4.12 as well - so that would be it I guess - thanks | 19:40 |
| ochosi | no problem | 19:41 |
| ochosi | you can force the version back to Unit's PPA | 19:41 |
| ochosi | then the tabwin should look ok | 19:41 |
| elfy | nope - that's ok - I'll just let updates come on through | 19:41 |
| ochosi | will maybe take a longer while for tabwin to land | 19:41 |
| ochosi | or may not land at all in 14.04 | 19:42 |
| elfy | yep - that's fine | 19:42 |
| elfy | just wondered if I'd done something :) | 19:42 |
| ochosi | as to your complaint against whiskermenu, i'd suggest you file a bugreport on github | 19:44 |
| elfy | ? | 19:44 |
| elfy | what complaint? | 19:44 |
| ochosi | well you said you lack the command-history or something | 19:44 |
| ochosi | (although there is in fact recently used) | 19:45 |
| ochosi | sry, don't remember well what you wanted :p | 19:45 |
| knome | or was it Unit193 | 19:45 |
| elfy | oic - not a complaint - just an observation - just not seeing a need for whisker menu on top of anything else without it | 19:45 |
| elfy | recently used has nothing in it | 19:45 |
| brainwash | jarnos: daily PPA | 19:46 |
| elfy | knome: no - it was me - unless it was both of us :) | 19:46 |
| knome | oki | 19:46 |
| ochosi | well you have to launch apps with whiskermenu for it to have something in it :) | 19:46 |
| ochosi | works as expected here | 19:46 |
| ochosi | you can even use that as startup-screen | 19:47 |
| ochosi | i mean always display favorites or recently-used when you click the icon | 19:47 |
| ochosi | quite useful i think | 19:47 |
| elfy | ochosi: I only use Alt+F2 for things like root thunar/panel restarts etc - so the command history for me works | 19:47 |
| ochosi | right | 19:47 |
| elfy | different people - different uses :) | 19:47 |
| ochosi | well anyway, we're deciding on what we think is good for most ppl | 19:58 |
| ochosi | not necessarily ourselves | 19:58 |
| brainwash | this would mean that we should go with libreoffice and get rid abibug.. abiword :) | 19:58 |
| brainwash | and don't the ubuntu guys even plan to keep libreoffice up-to-date during the LTS cycle? | 19:58 |
| Noskcaj10 | brainwash, My issue with libreoffice is how much bigger is it, disk space, RAM, and CPU. Plus it's packaging is a mess, so we'd have to hope the ubuntu guys keep all the bugs fixed, since even a patch is more difficult | 19:58 |
| brainwash | right, but it should be maintained quite well, on the other hand it takes ages to fix stuff in abiword | 19:58 |
| Noskcaj10 | yeah | 19:58 |
| brainwash | is libreoffice-writer really a big CPU/RAM hog? | 19:58 |
| Unit193 | knome: No, I looked at whisker a little, and my first observation stands firm. | 19:58 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj10: is the panel packaging quality-wise up to speed so that it could potentially be uploaded to ubuntu as is from the PPA? | 19:58 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Close, not quite. | 19:58 |
| brainwash | I've changed my mind and really enjoy whisker menu now, version 1.3 has a nasty bug, hopefully we can expect 1.3.1 soon :) | 19:58 |
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| ochosi | Unit193: do you think you could get it into the shape that'd be needed? | 19:58 |
| brainwash | ah right, xfdesktop still shows the old tree app menu, is that OK or should whisker menu get integrated somehow? | 19:58 |
| Unit193 | s/you/Jackson/ ? Sure, I don't see why not, just a little fix. | 19:58 |
| Noskcaj10 | ochosi, panel should be good, i'll have to check with a debdiff that the cheangelog is right though | 19:58 |
| ochosi | brainwash: no, whisker can't get integrated there | 19:58 |
| ochosi | brainwash: so that part will stay as it is | 19:58 |
| ochosi | Unit193: well, you replied, so... ;) | 19:58 |
| brainwash | mmh, inconsistency | 19:58 |
| ochosi | brainwash: yeah, but okayish | 19:58 |
| brainwash | bug 1254087 | 19:59 |
| ubottu | bug 1254087 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "[wishlist] Option to Use Whiskermenu as Desktop Menu" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1254087 | 19:59 |
| brainwash | already marked as wish list request | 20:00 |
| ochosi | i don't think it's really possible | 20:00 |
| ochosi | yeah, by whom? | 20:00 |
| ochosi | he's not gottcode or a contributor to xfdesktop afaik | 20:00 |
| ochosi | bbiab | 20:00 |
| brainwash | and is xubu default settings even the right package? | 20:01 |
| Unit193 | Doesn't matter, working patches still welcome. ;) | 20:01 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: Not unless it already works. | 20:01 |
| jarnos | brainwash, thx | 20:02 |
| brainwash | maybe someone will work on a patch, when whisker menu gets more popular | 20:03 |
| Noskcaj10 | I think we should try and drop the default size of whiskermenu slightly, it takes a quarter of my screen | 20:03 |
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| ochosi | Noskcaj: quick question, what's the debian status of the 4.11 packages that we need? | 22:33 |
| ochosi | e.g. libxfce4ui, garcon, xfwm4 | 22:33 |
| ochosi | or xfdesktop | 22:33 |
| ochosi | or Unit193 ^ | 22:35 |
| Unit193 | Need for? | 22:38 |
| ochosi | 14.04 | 22:39 |
| Unit193 | Yes, but in what way do you need something? What task are you trying to fulfill. | 22:41 |
| ochosi | well some say we should always sync from debian | 22:42 |
| ochosi | so if stuff lands there, we'll benefit from it | 22:42 |
| Unit193 | libxfce4ui+garcon/git+xfce4-panel/git+xfce4-indicator-plugin for gtk3 indicators, libxfce4ui+xfwm+xfdesktop for seemless, etc. | 22:42 |
| Unit193 | I'd like to get the terminal in, Debian has it with all the fixes for Ubuntu. | 22:43 |
| ochosi | mhm, that'd be nice | 22:44 |
| brainwash_ | that's basically the whole Xfce environment | 22:45 |
| ochosi | well not the whole | 22:46 |
| ochosi | Unit193: why is libxfce4ui needed for seemless? | 22:46 |
| ochosi | but anyway, we need it | 22:46 |
| brainwash_ | new version of appfinder would be nice too | 22:48 |
| brainwash_ | including "Use GDbus for communication." | 22:48 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: xfwm buildlog: checking for libxfce4ui-1 >= 4.11.0... 4.11. | 22:57 |
| Unit193 | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/160584863/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-i386.xfwm4_4.11.0%2Btabwin.git20131215.fa67b6a-1~13.10_UPLOADING.txt.gz if you don't believe me. :) | 22:58 |
| jarnos | brainwash_, I tried recent light-locker with --lock-after-screensaver option. It breaks screen saver and displays the greeter. I think it should not display anything until user action stops screensaver. | 23:01 |
| ochosi | jarnos: you seem to misunderstand that option | 23:01 |
| ochosi | light-locker never displays screensavers | 23:01 |
| ochosi | this is meant for time-based locking | 23:01 |
| ochosi | (based on the setting of X11s screensaver extension, which saves us to have another ticker running for the timeout) | 23:02 |
| ochosi | Unit193: i believe you, i must've forgotten about it :) | 23:04 |
| jarnos | ochosi, but if user has set "xset s blank", screen should blank and not display any greeter. | 23:04 |
| ochosi | well the greeter is the lockscreen | 23:05 |
| ochosi | so if the screen is locked, you get forwarded to there | 23:05 |
| ochosi | you can set the timeout though in the light-locker desktop file | 23:05 |
| ochosi | so the screen blanks for e.g. 600secs and only then does the session get locked | 23:06 |
| slickymaster | good night all | 23:14 |
| ochosi | hey slickymaster | 23:14 |
| slickymaster | hi ochosi | 23:15 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8_, slickymaster: due to your fabulous work on the xfdesktop docs, there was a proposal now to create doc-versions (i.e. different docs for 4.10 and 4.12), the apps would dynamically find the correct docs for their versions | 23:15 |
| ochosi | that would create less confusion for users and would make our/your job easier | 23:16 |
| jarnos | ochosi, light-locker should behave so that it does not display anything, if triggered by the timeout. I tested it and it overrides even DPMS commands for monitor to Standby/Suspend/Off. | 23:16 |
| slickymaster | ochosi, that is good news | 23:17 |
| ochosi | slickymaster: yeah, i think so too | 23:17 |
| ochosi | jarnos: light-locker doesn't control any of that. if you lock your session, you get to the greeter. end of story. | 23:17 |
| ochosi | jarnos: however, i have implemented screen-blanking in the greeter now, so that when your screen locks, it remains blank | 23:18 |
| slickymaster | ochosi, I planning on finishing eric's points this week | 23:18 |
| ochosi | slickymaster: nice, thanks a bunch! it's much appreciated | 23:18 |
| slickymaster | np | 23:18 |
| ochosi | slickymaster: thing is, even if we get versions, it'll be just copy paste to create the new pages | 23:18 |
| slickymaster | ochosi, yes, pretty much since its core it's already done | 23:19 |
| ochosi | jarnos: problem is: going to the greeter opens a new VT, so basically a new X session. that means that all x settings from your running session are inaccessible (because they're user-specific, so the greeter can't access them, because your session is locked). all timers, incl. dpms get reset (so the screen comes back on) | 23:20 |
| brainwash_ | ochosi: so it would take another 10 min (default value) to blank the screen again? | 23:24 |
| ochosi | brainwash_: yup | 23:25 |
| brainwash_ | should we reduce this value? xscreensaver blanks the screen after some seconds again, if you move the mouse and do not enter the password to unlock the session | 23:27 |
| brainwash_ | or if you type a wrong password | 23:27 |
| brainwash_ | 10 min to blank again appears to be quite long | 23:27 |
| ochosi | well, the greeter does blank the screen initially on lock for that exact reason | 23:27 |
| brainwash_ | but only initially | 23:27 |
| ochosi | fiddling with X variables from the greeter... i'm not sure i wanna go there | 23:28 |
| brainwash_ | lightdm should be able to do alter this timeout | 23:28 |
| ochosi | it doesn't atm afaik | 23:29 |
| brainwash_ | wish list :) | 23:29 |
| ochosi | and i'm not sure that they'd see it as a priority | 23:29 |
| brainwash_ | this also applies to the normal login greeter scenario | 23:29 |
| ochosi | yes, but afaik they have some sort of powermanagement in unity greeter | 23:30 |
| jarnos | ochosi, can you set the greeter to blank initially and after certain time of inactivity using xset or something in the new VT? | 23:30 |
| brainwash_ | changing the timeout sounds like a nice feature | 23:30 |
| ochosi | jarnos: the initial blanking is already happening, if you use the greeter from our daily PPA you can test it | 23:30 |
| ochosi | the other thing i haven't touched yet | 23:30 |
| ochosi | feel free to investigate, i'm just as new to this as you | 23:31 |
| jarnos | ochosi, I don't get the update from daily PPA (for saucy), yet. | 23:33 |
| jarnos | ochosi, DPMS Standby event triggers the lock as well. | 23:35 |
| brainwash_ | jarnos: you should report your findings here https://github.com/the-cavalry/light-locker | 23:39 |
| jarnos | ochosi, did you mean initial blanking is supposed to work in 1.0.0+2112+4? How do you make it blank? | 23:39 |
| brainwash_ | so we don't lose track of them | 23:39 |
| brainwash_ | jarnos: run "light-locker-command -" or "dm-tool lock" | 23:40 |
| brainwash_ | -l | 23:40 |
| brainwash_ | "light-locker-command -l" | 23:40 |
| jarnos | brainwash_, it displays greeter, and does not blank. That is not initial blanking. | 23:41 |
| brainwash_ | works for me on two different systems | 23:41 |
| brainwash_ | wait a minute, you do use a recent version of lightdm-gtk-greeter, right? | 23:45 |
| brainwash_ | ideally 1.7.0 | 23:45 |
| brainwash_ | the initial screen blanking has been modified slightly | 23:47 |
| brainwash_ | in the first version it did blank the screen twice, which unblanked the screen on some systems | 23:47 |
| jarnos | brainwash_, lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.6.1-0ubuntu1, the next Xubuntu will have 1.6.1-0ubuntu2, right? | 23:49 |
| jarnos | brainwash_, but I think that is not the cause. I am using multiple outputs. | 23:50 |
| brainwash_ | try https://launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/+archive/daily | 23:50 |
| ochosi | jarnos: i'm also using more than one display, still works | 23:50 |
| jarnos | I tested again with single output. Not working. | 23:52 |
| brainwash_ | the ppa will fix that | 23:53 |
| jarnos | brainwash_, you mean it will give me more recent lightdm? | 23:53 |
| jarnos | or lightdm-gtk-greeter? | 23:54 |
| brainwash_ | the latest version of gtk greeter | 23:54 |
| brainwash_ | including a fix for the initial screen blank | 23:54 |
| jarnos | brainwash_, soon? | 23:57 |
| brainwash_ | already does | 23:58 |
| brainwash_ | just install the new package and trigger lock screen | 23:58 |
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