[00:00] for trusty? [00:08] Well, it's already a transitional package now, so doesn't exist. [00:08] !info gcalctool [00:08] gcalctool (source: gnome-calculator): gnome-calculator is a powerful graphical calculator for GNOME (transitional package). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:3.8.2-1ubuntu4 (saucy), package size 42 kB, installed size 88 kB [00:17] could have been changed in raring already :P [00:17] But wasn't, so why not now? [00:18] indeed [00:18] I like changes [00:18] so lets make sure that trusty will be awesome [02:21] hi. there is a known bug about logging the results of fsck? [02:22] ran: not that im aware of.. did you see anything in lp? [02:23] /var/log/fsck exists, but nothing of interest for me. [02:24] i have nothing logged there [02:26] im not a developer, but in the past boot.log has showed the results of fsck. sorry about my english. [02:29] this is very important data, and this was the only easy way to read the results of fsck. [02:48] ran: 1. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/513644 2. What happens if you remove quiet from the grub options? [02:48] Ubuntu bug 513644 in mountall (Ubuntu) "Does not log fsck invocations in /var/log/fsck/" [Wishlist,Triaged] [02:57] i dont see anything, until the password screen. [06:49] http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/xubuntu Huh. [07:57] Unit193, PPA updated, will indicator need a rebuild? [07:57] hey elfy [07:58] hi Noskcaj [07:59] the version of panel in my ppa is updated to git master, thanks to Unit193 [08:00] ok - apt will be having a look shortly I'd hope - keeping an eye on software updater working - not that I use it when it tells me :p [08:08] Noskcaj: Shouldn't. Also, you version weirdly. :P [08:08] Unit193, For panel, it's copying from lionel's PPA [08:09] for everything else, stop h8ing ;) [08:09] Nah. .master.gitdoij44r. ;P [08:09] Anywho, you should be set then. [08:10] now if apt-get update would be less slow, i could actually test it [08:11] fast enough here :p [08:12] just got those updates - what does the newer panel fix? [08:12] It's actually from master, for one [08:12] elfy: Tries to fix transparency, not quite though. [08:15] the whole panel is now transparent - not just the indicator bit [08:15] is that what you mean by not quite? [08:16] nvm [08:16] had it set to transparent - it's just not been working for ages - forgot the setting :D [08:17] elfy: Wait, so everything is actually working now? [08:17] elfy: Can you set a panel bg? [08:17] looks to be [08:17] hang on will look [08:17] Hrm, I may have to install it. [08:18] yep [08:19] lets me set bg fine [08:20] Well that was issue one, second was icons too large and indicator-sound had dumb deps or recommends. I'll try it for sure though on a VM or something that's easier to revert. [08:20] only oddity I can see at moment - right click on something populating panel to get it's menu - highlights in system colour [08:21] right click on ind panel and highlighting is odd [08:24] not easy to explain that - so http://i.imgur.com/yYLDQmZ.png [08:27] Ah, strange, but not too bad. [08:27] nope - I agree - not 'bad' but strange :) [08:27] all in all - it's looking good imo [08:28] nice to have the gtk3 inds - even if we don't want to use them [08:29] hey DanChapman [08:29] Noskcaj, hey there :-) [08:30] hi DanChapman [08:30] Good Morning elfy [08:32] Yep, would be easier on here since it only has indicator-messages-gtk2 indicator-status-provider-pidgin libappindicator1 libappindicator3-1 and libindicator-messages-status-provider1 from other releases. [08:33] wouldn't know - too voodooie for me :p [08:34] indicator-sound is held too, libindicator7 and indicator-messages it seems as well. :P [08:34] VM it is. [08:35] mmm - I see date is still borked though [08:35] Menulibre2 should hopefully be ready for testing soon. [08:36] good [08:36] #panicsetsin [09:13] changing theme or icons still sets the ind panel to transparent [09:22] elfy: that's not only a problem related to the panel [09:22] all gtk3 apps have a hard time with changing themes [09:22] you have to mostly close and restart them after changing themes [09:23] one of the less-fun regressions of gtk3 over gtk2 [09:23] ok - I thought that was the case - just pointing out what I see :) [09:24] sure thing [09:24] the date thing is odd - saw a bug for it - but if we're not using that ind then I'm meh [09:25] i think the indicator-plugin also needs an update [09:25] we're using the latest release, but there were some fixes after that with respect to label width [09:25] so this is how the new panel looks in saucy: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-01052014-102435am.php [09:25] Unit193: ^ [09:26] Yeah, wasn't sure if you wanted to move back to snapshots since he kindly released some for you. [09:26] "he"? [09:27] ochosi: if you were looking at the terminal icon in a panel like that - I'm not surprised you thought it was ok :) [09:27] elfy: haha, no well that never worked until just now ;) [09:27] :p [09:27] so does transparency work for you now in trusty? [09:27] yep [09:27] sweet [09:27] for the whole panel? [09:27] or just the gtk3 indicators [09:28] http://imagebin.org/285245 [09:28] and fwiw, i think i'll have to add text-shadows to the indicators in our theme (as you can see in the incosnsitency between the clock and the power-indicator time) [09:28] nice [09:29] feel free to remove the frame around the systray ;) [09:29] I just did :) [09:29] actually, do you not have indicator-application installed? [09:29] because the nm-applet should also be an indicator [09:30] 12.10.1+14.04.20131125-0ubuntu1 [09:30] brainwash: sorry, i can't reproduce your xfdesktop theming problem so far (have relogged a few times now) [09:30] ochosi: it is installed [09:30] strange that it isn't in use then... [09:31] yea - sitting in notification area that is [09:31] and it's not hidden [09:33] so other than that not working here - the only real odd looking thing is workspace switcher bg being black when it has miniature view [09:34] looking good :) [09:34] it should normall automatically only show an indicator once indicator-application is found and the systray-icon is hidden automatically [09:34] nice, good to hear [09:34] well that's a problem of the workspace switcher itself, it was always like that [09:35] so it isn't a regression [09:35] yea - understood - no idea why that application indicator isn't working here [09:35] yeah, we should try to find out [09:35] yep - realise it's not a regression [09:35] what if you e.g. start transmission? [09:35] that should also have an app-indicator [09:35] doesn't show up [09:36] or, if you go to the settings of the indicator plugin [09:36] http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-01052014-103614am.php [09:36] should look like this ^ [09:36] not got session management [09:37] well that's just another indicator [09:37] I have bluetooth and kbd hidden [09:38] so application is there? [09:38] in the list i mean [09:38] if not, check if you accidentally have indicator-application-gtk2 installed as well [09:38] it is in the list [09:39] hm [09:39] can you still check whether you have the gtk2 package installed? [09:39] (that'd at least explain it) [09:39] not installed [09:40] ind-application/libappindicator3-1 and xfce4-indicator-plugin [09:40] are the only things installed synaptic finds with indicator-applica [09:41] ok [09:41] then we have to find the problem elsewhere [09:42] http://imagebin.org/285247 [09:42] just so you know what it looks like here [09:42] as always - more than happy to install/remove/fiddle with things as people point them out [09:43] so the main regression is gone, we should really start trying to get that in the archive now [09:44] ok, thanks elfy [09:45] Erm, would have to wait on garcon and 3.11 release, I'd think. [09:46] what was the main regression then? [09:47] Unit193: you mean a 4.11.1 release of the panel? [09:47] Yep. [09:47] elfy: transparency and bg-image setting failed [09:47] Unit193: i'm not really sure that'll happen in time [09:48] ochosi: oh right - that's been missing for a while [09:48] good to have it back though :) [09:48] yup [09:49] Unit193: problem is, we can't pressure upstream to do a release of the panel just on behalf of our schedule [09:49] i mean we can, but it's not nice and probably won't work [09:51] ochosi: I always end up with a desktop full of screenshots as soon as I start talking to you ... [09:51] :) [09:51] hehe [09:51] more problems? [09:52] no - not at all :) [09:52] good :) [09:52] the only shame is the lack of command history in whisker menu [09:53] I'll start hassling bluesabre for menulibre2 soon :) [09:53] yeah, well, not strictly a regression over the classical menu [09:53] from what i read, it's almost finished [09:53] yep - read that in scrollback [09:54] no - not a regression - but without that I'm a bit +0 on whisker-menu [10:11] ochosi: do you know what the current state of play with light locker is - I've lost track completely [10:15] elfy: are you using/testing it atm? [10:16] yep [10:18] just the lock screen issue - I think - I saw something from jarnos re a fix from xfce end - but not had the chance to look more [10:18] ie - lock screen isn't working with the patch hanging about on the LP bug report [10:19] so you edited /usr/bin/xflock4 and added the line for light-locker? [10:19] yea [10:20] could you paste the content of the file? [10:20] the one I saw from jarnos was a lot of change - I did try renaming the current xflock4 to .bak and just putting in that one - but then lock screen just ended up disabled in the menu [10:21] http://pastebin.com/v2Gwszyy [10:21] current xflock4 [10:22] http://bug-attachment.xfce.org/attachment.cgi?id=5295 was the thing I tried to use [10:22] and you have xscreensaver uninstalled i presume? [10:22] yep [10:22] with the file you pasted it should work [10:22] and no gnome-screensaver obviously [10:22] yea - that was what I thought - doesn't though [10:22] you could try to run xflock4 from the terminal and see whether there's any output at all [10:23] just returns to the prompt [10:24] odd [10:25] and running light-locker-command -l directly? [10:25] this particular install was a new vanilla - to which I added the few PPAs to get panel/tabwin etc in [10:26] light-locker: command not found [10:26] do you have light-locker installed? [10:26] LMAO [10:27] yes ... now ... [10:27] I told you I was all over the place ... [10:27] ;) [10:27] then the xflock4 patch should work better [10:27] ok - so light-locker works ok ... [10:27] although after installing, you might have to restart your session [10:27] just did it - locked and logged back in [10:27] sweet [10:27] sorry for wasting time :( [10:28] no problem at all [10:28] the main thing is that it works [10:28] so please test that as much as you can :) [10:28] (suspend etc) [10:28] i'll try to get a few fixes needed for that into the greeter asap [10:29] ok [10:30] (currently it may show "log in" where it should say "unlock" after suspending) [10:33] I'll look now [10:34] suspend comes right back to the desktop, perhaps it will need rebooting [10:34] possible, not sure [10:34] locking - shows 'unlock' [10:34] ok, that's good [10:35] I'll reboot now - and then check what happens with suspend [10:41] ochosi: ok - a few observations [10:42] 1 - still got grey screen thing - assume that's somthing else anyway [10:42] 2 - lock screen - works fine, showed 'lock' not login - came back to apps open when I locked screen [10:43] ad 1: yeah, that takes a few PPAs and not even then it's working for everyone [10:44] 3 - suspend - showed me screen lock warning as it went down / when I brought it back - went to login - logged in to desktop with none of the apps open when I suspended / the 'names' of the various items on the desktop were in a highlighted box - all of them [10:44] had to logout - then login again and got the session stuff back [10:45] that's all I saw [10:45] hm, 3 is strange [10:45] highlight box.. that's the xfdesktop theme bug :D [10:45] but i'll ask you to test again after i pushed some fixes to the greeter for that [10:45] ok [10:46] brainwash: thanks [10:46] certainly this morning when I brought it back from suspend without light-locker installed it worked fine - other than just coming straight back to the desktop with no password :D [10:47] so not really working 'fine' ... [10:47] elfy: did you set the env var "INDICATOR_ALLOW_NO_WATCHERS=yes"? [10:47] if no, the nm-applet might fail to load as indicator [10:47] and fall back to notification icon [10:48] ochosi: I tend to know when things get updated - I read the list of updated packages, if I see a light locker change I will be on the case to test suspend [10:48] see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators [10:48] known issues [10:48] brainwash: yep - did that - got all indicators here - excecpt the app inds for some reason [10:50] elfy: are you sure that your system was able to suspend properly? the open apps should no vanish and stay open [10:50] not [10:51] suspended - told me it was suspending - gave me some warning screen - turned off - came back to login screen - logged in - none of the open apps appeared - and they do that for any sort of restart for me [10:51] and did the desktop icons look like this (right side) http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/onetwo.php ? [10:52] so - logically I would say that it's not suspending properly with light-locker installed [10:52] brainwash: yep - that's what I had - not orange though [10:52] 2 ticks - I'll see if it replicates [10:53] the orange part is the default look with numix theme [10:53] brainwash: looks like ambiance actually [10:55] ok - that cam back properly that time - just said login instead of unlock [10:56] I'll update my panel now and restore the missing items (compiling from source broke the wrapper-1.0 somehow, so some panel items got removed) [10:56] elfy: that's the known issue [10:56] fleetingly saw a light locker message when it came back this time as well [10:56] that's not a huge problem i think [10:56] the locker message i mean [10:57] ok - so not sure why I got all that earlier stuff - but the last 2 or 3 suspends seemed to be ok [10:57] yep [10:57] ochosi: understood [10:57] ok, nice [10:57] login button instead of unlock one -> bug 1264563 [10:57] bug 1264563 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "switch-to-greeter does not set lock hint" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1264563 [10:57] so - that's looking good - even better when it's installed :p [10:58] hehe [10:58] knome: nice easy job for you to do - it's more than 48 hours now :) [10:58] what is [10:58] and the 3 proposed people are missing from -team :) [10:59] nice catch :) [10:59] I'm starting to wake up a bit ... [11:00] it's been a rather rubbish 4 weeks [11:00] heh, yeah [11:01] elfy, what do you mean "missing" [11:01] O:P [11:01] better late than never :D [11:03] yeah, being too exact never was the point [11:03] brainwash: I me too'd that [11:03] but thanks for the reminder [11:03] knome: lol - welcome :) [11:03] also tweeted that [11:04] https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/419786110185648128 [11:04] slicky at least was someone I wanted in to team last cycle [11:04] woot [11:06] knome: that trello board set up for qa seems to be working well as a tool by the way [11:07] aha [11:07] what are you working on in there [11:08] http://imagebin.org/285258 [11:22] !team [11:22] bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, micahg, mr_pouit, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, Unit193 [11:22] knome: best change that as well then :p [11:22] what now [11:22] :P [11:22] I'm really waking up ... [11:22] my internet is meh [11:22] just started lagging [11:22] I'd lend you some if I could [11:23] not much - just some :p [11:34] ughhh [11:51] that good ... [12:11] replaced my compiled version of xfce4-panel with the new PPA one, transparency is working now, but the mail and sound indicator are using a second (empty) row again [12:12] in deskbar mode I mean [12:16] brainwash: looks ok here in deskbar mode [12:17] jarnos: hi - caught your comments earlier re light-locker - thanks for those [12:18] fixed it - I didn't have light-locker installed at all ... [12:19] brainwash: http://imagebin.org/285266 [12:19] elfy: does it look ok after login? if you switch the mode mid session the glitch might not occur [12:20] checking that [12:20] what happens if you hover over the mail indicator? [12:20] how big is the highlight box [12:20] 2 rows - the deskbar is set at 2 rows [12:21] aligned ind to left - highlights 2 rows [12:21] hover-size = panel-width x icon-height+widget-padding [12:21] hang on - logging out/in [12:21] brainwash: i've lost track of that a bit over the holidays, but what's the status quo of the flicker-free desktop-transition? [12:21] do we have PPAs that fix that for everyone now? [12:22] or does it still need stuff compiled from source [12:22] brainwash: no change [12:23] ochosi: yes, Unit193's PPA (xfwm4, optionally xfdesktop) and a recent version of lightdm-gtk-greeter (1.7.0 for example) [12:23] elfy: thanks [12:23] setting the panel back to not really annoying now then :) [12:24] elfy, you are welcome [12:24] ochosi: and it works for me (worked all the time with ali1234's fixes) [12:26] back later - have a good day [12:28] brainwash: has it worked for others as well? [12:34] before I go - odd thing - panel preferences - hover over auto show and hide to get the tooltip [12:35] you get the same tooltip on don't reserve space now [12:37] seems that the don't reserve space thing doesn't make a difference now too - previously an app wouldn't overlap panel iirc [12:38] ? [12:38] the tooltips aren't the same for me here [12:38] and the functionality is also different [12:38] elfy ^ [12:38] ochosi: not sure, Unit193 reported a strange black screen flicker [12:39] autohide hides the panel when there's no mouse-over [12:39] reserve-space keeps the panel on top of everything, so maximized windows go underneath it [12:39] mmm - definitely the same tooltip here [12:39] ochosi: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/i269.php [12:40] that is very strange, we're using the same package [12:40] brainwash: must be a problem with deskbar and indicators [12:40] ochosi: - yea - agreed with the functionality - could have sworn that resizing would do the same behaviour [12:40] but definitely different toolktips [12:41] sigh [12:41] s/different/the same [12:41] i thought the tooltips are the same? [12:41] ah [12:41] * ochosi is a little confused [12:41] so the functionality works [12:41] ? [12:41] ochosi: but I don't understand, it did not happen with my compiled version of the panel (git master), but now it happens again with the PPA version [12:41] ochosi: yea - just rechecked - just tooltip oddity [12:42] elfy: still weird. could you ask other trusty testers about this later? [12:43] brainwash: it doesn't seem to happen for me with all indicators [12:43] http://imgur.com/2cVgrlj,94e3V4T#0 [12:43] ochosi: yep will do [12:43] brainwash: it might have something to do with the ellipsizing that was added recently (i.e. after the 2.2.0 release) of the indicator-plugin [12:44] elfy: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-01052014-014429pm.php [12:45] brainwash: doesn't happen with nm-applet, "only" with sound and power [12:45] right [12:45] and messages [12:45] ochosi: mmm - odd - I'll ask people ealry this week [12:45] really off now [12:45] brainwash: i think we might need the latest git version of the indicator-plugin as well to fix that [12:46] ok, ttyl elfy [15:24] brainwash: Netbook is good, VM has the flicker. [15:39] could be due to VM graphics drivers? [16:34] yesterday i loaded up gnome shell inside virtualbox... omg the flickering everywhere [16:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuVQYr5KzP8 <- flickering not caused by youtube. this is what it actually looked like === G4MBY2 is now known as PaulW2U === PaulW2U is now known as Guest70302 === Guest70302 is now known as PaulW2U [17:33] hey xnox [17:44] hi [17:48] hi xnox :D [17:49] xnox: i don't want to bother you long or steal too much of your time, but first of all, thanks a lot in advance! your offer to help is very much appreciated! [17:49] whenever you have time for that, we could quickly go through what is needed the most === ali12341 is now known as ali1234 [19:36] ochosi: is there a simple reason why my alt tab is square and not rounded like you see here https://plus.google.com/106086509626546157534/posts/69DtYWSJjss [19:38] brainwash, where did you get recent light-locker from? [19:38] elfy: i guess you're not using Unit193's PPA (or if you do, it was superseded recently by the xfce4.12 PPA) [19:39] ochosi: was sure I was [19:40] though I have the 4.12 as well - so that would be it I guess - thanks [19:41] no problem [19:41] you can force the version back to Unit's PPA [19:41] then the tabwin should look ok [19:41] nope - that's ok - I'll just let updates come on through [19:41] will maybe take a longer while for tabwin to land [19:42] or may not land at all in 14.04 [19:42] yep - that's fine [19:42] just wondered if I'd done something :) [19:44] as to your complaint against whiskermenu, i'd suggest you file a bugreport on github [19:44] ? [19:44] what complaint? [19:44] well you said you lack the command-history or something [19:45] (although there is in fact recently used) [19:45] sry, don't remember well what you wanted :p [19:45] or was it Unit193 [19:45] oic - not a complaint - just an observation - just not seeing a need for whisker menu on top of anything else without it [19:45] recently used has nothing in it [19:46] jarnos: daily PPA [19:46] knome: no - it was me - unless it was both of us :) [19:46] oki [19:46] well you have to launch apps with whiskermenu for it to have something in it :) [19:46] works as expected here [19:47] you can even use that as startup-screen [19:47] i mean always display favorites or recently-used when you click the icon [19:47] quite useful i think [19:47] ochosi: I only use Alt+F2 for things like root thunar/panel restarts etc - so the command history for me works [19:47] right [19:47] different people - different uses :) [19:58] well anyway, we're deciding on what we think is good for most ppl [19:58] not necessarily ourselves [19:58] this would mean that we should go with libreoffice and get rid abibug.. abiword :) [19:58] and don't the ubuntu guys even plan to keep libreoffice up-to-date during the LTS cycle? [19:58] brainwash, My issue with libreoffice is how much bigger is it, disk space, RAM, and CPU. Plus it's packaging is a mess, so we'd have to hope the ubuntu guys keep all the bugs fixed, since even a patch is more difficult [19:58] right, but it should be maintained quite well, on the other hand it takes ages to fix stuff in abiword [19:58] yeah [19:58] is libreoffice-writer really a big CPU/RAM hog? [19:58] knome: No, I looked at whisker a little, and my first observation stands firm. [19:58] Noskcaj10: is the panel packaging quality-wise up to speed so that it could potentially be uploaded to ubuntu as is from the PPA? [19:58] ochosi: Close, not quite. [19:58] I've changed my mind and really enjoy whisker menu now, version 1.3 has a nasty bug, hopefully we can expect 1.3.1 soon :) === hobgoblin is now known as elfy [19:58] Unit193: do you think you could get it into the shape that'd be needed? [19:58]