[01:41] <ran> hi
[01:42] <ran> i have a question about boot.log
[01:42] <David-A> yes
[01:43] <David-A> !ask
[01:43] <David-A> !patient
[01:45] <ran> fsck results was shown in boot.log, and now not anymore. sorry about my english.
[01:46] <ran> there is a known bug about that?
[01:47] <Unit193> ran: fsck isn't run every boot, are you talking about one where it is?
[01:47] <ran> yes
[01:49] <ran> i know that fsck isnt run on every boot, but i was checking the results from time to time, and it always was there.
[01:50] <Nyan> Bug #1187318  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1187318 ?
[01:51] <ran> i also force fsck just to check that, but the results was not shown in boot.log.
[01:54] <ran> i think that this has been started to happen from 13.10.
[02:09] <gzimdahl> I am running xubuntu from a pendrive with persistence. I have installed gnome and unity but I  do not see them as options when I logout and back in. Any ideas?
[02:10] <holstein> gzimdahl: i usually just do an installation.. a full install to a stick. otherwise, you can look to see if you have actually installed the packages, or if the persistence is setup properly
[02:10] <Unit193> ran: Not sure, if it's a system update in theory it could change how it's called or something, or just different logging.
[02:11] <sideup66> hello room
[02:11] <sideup66> if anyone is here
[02:12] <holstein> sideup66: many are here.. feel free and ask a question if you have one.. or enjoy the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for chat.. welcome!
[02:12] <gzimdahl> holstein, i am trying to learn how to install different DE and tweaks. I have tried say reg ubuntu or kbuntu i am trying install several on the same installation. I have seen other people do it, I dont know what flavor they were on though
[02:12] <sideup66> ok thanks holstein
[02:12] <sideup66> i do have a question to be fair
[02:13] <sideup66> i am trying to build a bitcoin mining bot with a well crippled system, dont ask me why but somehow the stability of a toshiba satalite laptop's usb depends on a dismantled chasis
[02:13] <holstein> gzimdahl: you can always try the live CD's for them, suck as main ubuntu's live CD.. otherwise, you may not have persistence setup properly, or maybe you didnt install what is needed or all that is needed
[02:14] <ran> its interesting if that is the case. but the problem is that there is no easy way to read the results of fsck.
[02:14] <sideup66> but in any case this leads me to the question of how to go about building a xubuntu live cd/dvd that would start up with an ssh server running as my plan is to boot with ssh then just execute a standard xubuntu install over the ssh system
[02:14] <holstein> sideup66: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[02:15] <sideup66> thanks, ill look now
[02:15] <gzimdahl> Persistence is saving other settings. I am not looking so much to try the DE rather to learn how to install them along side an existing one. I used a sudo apt-get commands which seemed to install for a couple minutes and finished without errors. How can I check if I did get everything installed>
[02:15] <ran> this is a very important data, that the user needs to know from time to time.
[02:16] <sideup66> also when it installs, id want it to also install the ssh server so it can obviously be configured thereafter in ssh
[02:17] <holstein> gzimdahl: i like to start with lxde.. youcan find it in the package manager of your choice easily, and it works and is easy to install
[02:17] <holstein> gzimdahl: otherwise, "ubuntu-desktop" is the large metapacakge for main ubuntu
[02:17] <holstein> gzimdahl: you can break things installing that, however.. and, none of the variants are necessarily trying to provide that easily.. you *can* do it.. but things can be, and typically are, awkward
[02:17] <gzimdahl> thanks I am not familiar with them, I will look up more on them thank a bunch!
[02:18] <gzimdahl> hmmm
[02:18] <gzimdahl> regarding lxde or ubuntu-desktop?
[02:18] <holstein> gzimdahl: basically, if you have persitence working, you can install them, and select them from the login screen.. but, there are different login screens and managers.. more to it than just "unity"..
[02:19] <holstein> gzimdahl: regarding running multiple ones.. none of the *buntu's state "easily install and run as many desktop environments as you like"
[02:19] <gzimdahl> My goal is to eventually start with a cli and build everything on top of it piece by piece. just for education
[02:19] <holstein> gzimdahl: there are specific easier ways to add them, and get to them, without breaking a lot of xubuntu in the process.. this also assumes you have persistence setup correctly.. i just do a normal install, which gets me persistence
[02:20] <holstein> gzimdahl: live CDs are very educational, as well
[02:20] <gzimdahl> should I rather be looking at arch or and openbox version of something >
[02:20] <gzimdahl> ?
[02:20] <holstein> gzimdahl: this has nothing to do with ubuntu specifically.. there are desktop environments preset on many distros
[02:21] <holstein> gzimdahl: you *can* do what you are trying to do.. its just not as easy as "sudo apt-get kde" necessarily
[02:21] <gzimdahl> any idea where I can learn more?
[02:21] <holstein> gzimdahl: openbox is not a full environment
[02:21] <holstein> gzimdahl: i just suggested starting with lxde.. have you installed it and booted into it?
[02:22] <holstein> gzimdahl: if not, that was a suggestiong i made for educational purposes.. otherwise, start specifically with just one, such as unity, and make sure you can install it, have persistence, and get what you need to run it
[02:23] <gzimdahl> okay thanks
[02:23] <holstein> !mini | gzimdahl
[02:23] <holstein> ^ that is a nice mini iso that you can add to.. i personally like to setup virtualbox in a full install (even if that full install is just on a USB drive) and run live environments, and install things where i can save a snapshot
[02:26] <gzimdahl> different question, If I load ubuntu on a thumb drive and do a regular install, I am afraid to overwite my hard disk. will this write to my pen drive or give me an option as to the install locaton/ drive?
[02:27] <holstein> gzimdahl: you should never be afraid.. you should have backups, and ways to restore everything, since *all* drives will fail.
[02:27] <holstein> gzimdahl: you can install to the usb stick easily from an alternate iso and not install grub to the main hard drive, but onto the USB stick
[02:28] <holstein> gzimdahl: you can take that stick to a machine that has not hard drives installed if you are worried about it.. you dont have to do the installation on that machine
[02:29] <gzimdahl> I happen to be working on someone else's machine because I am not home. What do you mean by alternate iso?
[02:30] <holstein> gzimdahl: the issue would be, grub would write to the main hard drive instead of the usb drive, during installation
[02:30] <holstein> gzimdahl: so, you would get an iso that doesnt do that
[02:30] <holstein> gzimdahl: the mini one i linked works that way
[02:32] <gzimdahl> holstein, i see. Is there any way to know which iso(s) have grub as an installer?
[02:32] <gzimdahl> holstein, say before I download it
[02:33] <holstein> gzimdahl: i can say, the mini does.. the alternates did.. also, the older GUI installer used to ask
[02:33] <holstein> gzimdahl: if its me, i check.. and i make sure i know whats getting written where
[02:33] <holstein> gzimdahl: the mini's are mini.. like 30mb's
[02:33] <gzimdahl> How can I check for myself?
[02:33] <holstein> gzimdahl: i can say, i download and look
[02:34] <holstein> gzimdahl: not sure if that information is well posted anywhere
[02:34] <gzimdahl> Are you saying I can open the iso and look at files some how?
[02:35] <holstein> gzimdahl: i cant.. you might be able to.. i just load the installer in virtualbox, and look at what its about to do. read what it says it wants to do, and let it do it in virtualbox.. then i check to make sure it did what i expected it to do
[02:36] <gzimdahl> holstein, ok I see. Thanks for all your help.
[02:50] <sideup66> holstein: in the link you sent me earlier, im reading up on all the information
[02:50] <sideup66> but im a bit confused as it seems to be extracting the iso into a few different areas, will they all show in the main livecdtmp folder it lists
[02:51] <holstein> sideup66: i actually dont do it that way. i still try and use remastersys, or something i consider simpler for another distro
[02:51] <sideup66> remastersys i would assume gives you a simpler to understand graphical interface then for a task like this
[02:52] <holstein> sideup66: AFAIK, most recovery systems ship with ssh servers running
[02:52] <holstein> installing openssh is pretty fast, and easy
[02:53] <sideup66> there is an ssh file in the default system but im just not sure if its up or not... as looking in the /etc/ssh folder most of the lines it looks as if their commented out
[02:53] <holstein> sideup66: you should be able to install openssh in the live environment
[02:54] <sideup66> and i know, the problem is the machine im installing the distro to has a broken keyboard/mouse and no, usb does not work, seems to have a weird board issue, so it needs to be running from the get go so i can just start up, ssh in, then run a system install from there
[02:54] <holstein> sideup66: AFAIK, and last time i check, the partedmagic that is in the ultimate boot cd has ssh out oft he box
[02:55] <holstein> might not be able to get it to boot any installation media from the bios without a keyboard
[02:55] <sideup66> no, it will check the cd for boot media, if the drive is blanked out
[02:55] <sideup66> which it is
[02:55] <holstein> sideup66: its quite specific to each hardware
[02:56] <holstein> sideup66: you'll have to see how yours is configured, and live with it, like that.. since you have no way of editing the bios.. or changing any settings
[02:56] <sideup66> i know, i have already tested this part however, i know the requirement is strange
[02:56] <sideup66> like i said the end day system is meant to be headless so that wont matter, its just getting things on there
[02:56] <holstein> sideup66: take the hard drive to another machine and install
[02:57] <sideup66> will that work cross cpu?
[02:57] <sideup66> because its going from an intel to an amd in this case
[02:57] <holstein> sideup66: not sure what the question is
[02:57] <holstein> sideup66: yes
[02:57] <sideup66> ok
[02:58] <holstein> both would need to support 64bit, if you want to have 64bit
[02:58] <sideup66> i had an image on the drive originally with xubuntu setup how i needed things but it would freeze loading scripts-bottom, i guess it was just a glitch
[02:58] <sideup66> and no, that isnt necessary, minerd doesnt need much memory, system is not running much at the end of the day
[02:59] <sideup66> like i said its goal in life is to mine bitcoins lol
[02:59] <holstein> image should work if its generic enough.. if you have proprietary graphics installed, that could break things. otherwise, the kernel is modular
[03:00] <sideup66> both are onboard, the machine i would install with is just an intel based system with intel extreme whatever graphics
[03:00] <sideup66> other is an amd with its form of integrated graphics
[03:01] <holstein> both drivers are present in the kernel
[03:02] <sideup66> ok
[03:02] <sideup66> i think my original may have had trouble because i had made adjustments for that system on the original build which had since been wiped
[03:03] <holstein> those adjustments could have made it where it couldnt be moved to the other hardware
[03:03] <sideup66> ok, i have a flash drive with it and a cd with the original install as an alternate, i might just throw the flash in and do a clean install
[03:03] <sideup66> then once its online, with ssh installed, ill swap it to the other system, and see what happens
[03:05] <sideup66> should i have the machine installed connected to the net or just install from disc, then connect it
[03:06] <sideup66> i know when connected it will download its packages from the web
[03:14] <sideup66> well its installing, im using the ethernet right now for an autoconfig to make it simple for the system, when it swaps it should autoconnect
[03:14] <sideup66> normally with linux if anything works in terms of networking, the wired lan will, then ill configure its wireless card as itll live wireless
[03:14] <fibz_> k
[03:15] <holstein> sideup66: the system you are moving to is wireless?
[03:16] <sideup66> well they are laptops, therefore both wireless, but for config i do have an ethernet cable, so it shouldnt be a problem, they both have a wired port
[03:16] <sideup66> im no touching the wifi until the system is up and running
[03:17] <holstein> laptop doesnt have to equal wireless
[03:18] <sideup66> true holstein, im just saying the end configuration i hope to have it on wireless, which is quite possible once im in the system to do
[03:50] <xubuntu172> I'm using linux live usb creator on a 8Gb USB drive with a 64 bit Xubuntu .iso file. When the computer boots the blue Xubuntu screen and loading thing comes up. It stays this way for a little bit (with the loading indicator going), but it goes to a black screen with a cursor.
[03:50] <xubuntu172> Any suggestions would be helpfull
[03:50] <holstein> xubuntu172: have you tried nomodeset?
[03:50] <holstein> !nomodeset
[03:50] <xubuntu172> Oh, no i havn't i'll check that ou
[03:50] <xubuntu172> t
[04:01] <delt> hello
[04:02] <xubuntu172> Hey
[04:02] <delt> my X server is still executed with "-nolisten tcp" even if i removed that from /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
[04:03] <delt> [pts/5][root@laptop]:/etc/X11/xinit# grep "nolisten tcp" *
[04:03] <delt> xserverrc.dist:exec /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp "$@"
[04:03] <holstein> delt: whats the goal?
[04:03] <sideup66> ok holstein: i just finished installing the software
[04:03] <sideup66> and all i did was boot the system, and install ssh-server then shut down
[04:03] <delt> holstein: running apps directly from remote hosts on my network
[04:04] <sideup66> im going to switch the drives, and see if the system boots, i havent even run an update yet
[04:04] <delt> and also, just knowing how this system is built =)
[04:04] <delt> anyway in the entire /etc directory, X11/xinit/xserverrc seems to be the only file that contains the phrase "nolisten tcp"
[04:05] <delt> also how come there's no /etc/inittab?
[04:07] <delt> holstein: ....any idea?
[04:09] <holstein> delt: not really.. maybe consider linux from scratch, or something more related to x upstream. i use x forwarding over ssh. not sure what you are looking for in /etc, but you could try elaborating
[04:09] <sideup66> holstein: ok i threw the drive straight from the one machine into the other
[04:09] <sideup66> and it started to boot
[04:10] <sideup66> but just stopped, no splash or anything, the hidden grub menu did execute
[04:10] <sideup66> then it starts to boot, then just stops
[04:10] <sideup66> this was from a xubuntu 12.04 alternate disk
[04:10] <delt> holstein: i just want to know where the X server itself is called from
[04:10] <holstein> sideup66: the kernel is modular. i dont know anything about that hardware other than the hardware problems you have already reported
[04:10] <sideup66> hm ok
[04:10] <holstein> sideup66: the end result will be ubuntu, with a modular kernel
[04:11] <holstein> sideup66: why isnt it booting? you can try the nomodeset as well.. could be something releated to the amd graphics you referenced
[04:11] <holstein> sideup66: you can put an xorg.conf in place that will use the vesa driver
[04:11] <holstein> delt: i would try a more general linux channel. i feel this is going to be more about how xubuntu works specifically
[04:12] <sideup66> ok, it seems the gfx are working fine, the screen is on, also when i fixed it the bios does relably post now
[04:12] <sideup66> as i said
[04:12] <sideup66> their both toshiba satalite laptops, roughly same vintage
[04:12] <sideup66> just the crippled one is an amd
[04:12] <sideup66> and the running is an intel
[04:13] <holstein> sideup66: then, it wont hurt to specific a driver that we know will work, since those graphics are potentially not supporting linux
[04:15] <sideup66> i just powered the machine off and on and it boots to just a grub menu
[04:15] <holstein> sideup66: ok.. how does it work with an xorg.conf file that specifies vesa? does it boot the desktop?
[04:15] <holstein> sideup66: in grub, have you tried the recovery kernel?
[04:15] <sideup66> not sure, going to look at it now, and of course crippled machine has no keyboard so that is out (usb does not work either)
[04:16] <sideup66> but i was going to start with nomodset
[04:16] <holstein> sideup66: "the easy way" - move drive to machine with keyboard. insert xorg.conf
[04:16] <sideup66> thats what im doing right now
[04:17] <sideup66> i wouldnt know how to change xorg.conf is all
[04:17] <holstein> sideup66: you wont.. you'l have to add one
[04:17] <sideup66> ok im assuming there is an article on this
[04:18] <holstein> sideup66: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209 for example has a file.you dont need an "article", just an xorg.conf that specifies vesa to test with
[04:19] <sideup66> ok looking now
[04:25] <sideup66> ok changed that, nothing
[04:25] <sideup66> still loaded a bit
[04:25] <sideup66> then just stopped
[04:25] <sideup66> i remember when isaw the output when i first tried, it froze at running init_scripts_bottom
[04:25] <sideup66> what would thatbe
[04:25] <wrongplace> do you know the app convert all?
[04:25] <wrongplace> its in the repo
[04:26] <holstein> sideup66: could be bad hardware
[04:26] <holstein> wrongplace: do i know it? no
[04:26] <holstein> !info convertall
[04:27] <wrongplace> i can only convert unit once. I can write other units or different ammounts of the same unit, but I dont get any other results
[04:27] <wrongplace> tips welcomed
[04:27] <wrongplace> xubuntu 13.10 64 bits
[04:28] <sideup66> ok
[04:28] <sideup66> hmm
[04:28] <sideup66> i wonder
[04:28] <sideup66> just for laughs
[04:28] <sideup66> what it would do if i unplug the internal keyboard on crippled laptop
[04:29] <sideup66> i just read about strange usb issues resulting
[04:29] <holstein> sideup66: i thought the USB was broken
[04:29] <jrock20041> Lost my sound. If I go into the sound settings I see the sound bar moving but I am not hearing any sound. thoughts?
[04:29] <jrock20041> Its not muted
[04:29] <holstein> jrock20041: just check the mute's everywhere.. toggle them
[04:29] <sideup66> it is
[04:30] <sideup66> but someone mentioned having a usb one attached
[04:30] <holstein> jrock20041: pavucontrol is what i use
[04:30] <sideup66> for some unknown reason to me, the keyboard internally works for a split second, just long enough to open the bios setup
[04:30] <jrock20041> holstein: I have that as well and that is where I see the bar moving
[04:30] <sideup66> then stops
[04:31] <holstein> jrock20041: ok.. what caused it to break? an update? or was it just a mute sequence? or a setting?
[04:31] <jrock20041> I think it could be after a kernel update
[04:32] <jrock20041> If I switch from analog stero to hdmi it works
[04:33] <sideup66> just for laughs, might be worth a shot
[04:34] <holstein> jrock20041: try the older kernel and confirm
[04:37] <sideup66> also holstein: actually that is why i wanted to try to install from ssh
[04:37] <sideup66> so the whole system runs that way
[04:37] <sideup66> i may need to do somthing with a different distro
[04:37] <sideup66> idk
[04:38] <sideup66> on a personal note its reasons like this that make me hate amd
[04:39] <holstein> sideup66: the *linux* kernel is modular.. if you keep support for that machine in the kernel, it'll work
[04:39] <holstein> sideup66: dosnt matter the distr
[04:39] <holstein> distro*
[04:39] <holstein> sideup66: you might want to try removing the keyboard and any other hardware that is "bad" and disable things in the bios.. start simple
[04:46] <sideup66> mm i see, well im about to look at somthing i just realized
[04:46] <sideup66> there is a chance this thing is running as bootup for xubuntu is very light
[04:48] <delt> seems as soon as i run xrdb to load some (ooolllddd Xdefaults), it makes fonts in kde applications huge
[04:48] <sideup66> in short, there has to be a way to get this thing to run, it would be the biggest tease to have the video fix but not get it running
[04:48] <delt> even if i just run xrdb with no input
[04:52] <sideup66> and nah, wasnt on the network
[04:55] <sideup66> i know where it halts because when it did boot with text it would halt at init/scriptsbottom
[04:56] <holstein> sideup66: did you disable all but the net in the bios?
[04:58] <sideup66> actually yeah, in the best way, physically detached the keyboard's connection
[04:58] <sideup66> nothing to plug into, no real way to disable the keyboard so to speak
[05:00] <holstein> sideup66: remove any bad hardware
[05:01] <sideup66> im working on that, im wondering what would happen if i disable all ps2 identification inside of linux itself, reason being is if that part of the system is faulty, chance is that the system is trying to enumerate that, hardware wont cooperate and therefore it hangs up
[05:02] <holstein> sideup66: no
[05:02] <holstein> sideup66: linux can run headless.. i do it all the time. you have broken hardware that will require some work arounds
[05:03] <sideup66> i know that, im saying that during the boot process, as you stated
[05:03] <sideup66> kernel is modular
[05:03] <sideup66> part of those modules would be the mouse and the keyboard
[05:03] <sideup66> if those pieces of hardware are faulty or their ports are or whereever in chain the system is misbehaving... it is tryng to talk to that hardware
[05:04] <sideup66> in which case the system wont respond or sends somthing that xubuntu doesnt know what to do with
[05:04] <sideup66> and it is messing with the os
[05:04] <holstein> sideup66: i can only share my factual first hand experience
[05:04] <holstein> sideup66: i have fiddled around with a few machines like that, and ran them headless with the keyboards and/or monitors off of them
[05:05] <sideup66> i did
[05:05] <holstein> sideup66: it was always a matter of just trial and error, since, i was doing nothing that the creator intended it to be used for
[05:05] <sideup66> i already tried physically disconnecting the keyboard and the mouse
[05:05] <sideup66> and the same results
[05:05] <holstein> sideup66: if you feel you need to black list something, do so. i dont think that is the issue
[05:05] <holstein> sideup66: i think its a problem with some other hardware that is broken that wouldnt be booting a perfectly normal installation
[05:06] <sideup66> ok, i understand your disagreement
[05:06] <holstein> sideup66: since the USB is "bad", that could mean any par of the motherboard is failing, and could be failing intermittently
[05:06] <holstein> any part*
[05:06] <sideup66> that is probably the case, as i said this machine is the old used one from the people that bought the other one off of me that runs fine, so its been through the ringer
[05:07] <holstein> if its worth messing with, go for it.. but, hardware like that is so cheap/free these days.. its hard to justify the time
[05:08] <sideup66> i am aware of the cost of hardware, it is a machine i got for free, so ideally id like to get it to run well for free lol, its a junker, with one task id like to set it for, where periphrials and creature comforts arent exactly necessary
[05:09] <sideup66> it just needs to boot and run, thats it
[05:11] <holstein> sideup66: i have plenty of machines i got for free that have functional keyboards, and USB
[05:11] <fibz_> i understand
[05:12] <holstein> sideup66: all im saying is, you have stated intermittent issues.. such as the keyboard working for a second.. you might consider that the motherboard is failing on that machine
[05:12] <xubuntu297> hi, I'm I just got a wireless (bluetooth) speaker. But my Xubuntu 12.10 installation does not recognize it.
[05:13] <holstein> xubuntu297: does any bluetooth work on the machine?
[05:13] <holstein> !bluetooth
[05:13] <xubuntu297> I don't know because it's my first time trying to use bluetooth
[05:13] <xubuntu297> I've tried various answers from ubuntu forums, but none work. And none of them do I understand
[05:14] <xubuntu297> In Blueman Manager I click "setup new device" and I get "no devices found"
[05:14] <holstein> xubuntu297: it can be challenging.. but right now, you are troubleshooting several things at once
[05:14] <holstein> xubuntu297: you dont konw if the bluetooth in your machine works with linux.. you dont know if the device works with linux, and you are unfamilar with bt in general in linux
[05:15] <xubuntu297> correct :-/
[05:15] <holstein> xubuntu297: what would i do? try and reduce these variables.. try the hardware in a supported environment.. under windows for example. see that the hardware works.. then, try the hardware on your machine knowing that it works
[05:15] <fibz_> 1, is the bluetooth device recognized by the system?
[05:15] <fibz_> the PC's bluetooth device
[05:15] <holstein> xubuntu297: try something simpler.. a bt connection to a smart phone. or a bt dongle
[05:16] <holstein> fibz_: the user has *never* used bt on the device
[05:16] <fibz_> does ubuntu even see it?
[05:16] <xubuntu297> no, doesn't recognize the speaker
[05:16] <xubuntu297> i could try to connect to my g/f's android
[05:17] <fibz_> that would be helpful
[05:17] <xubuntu297> ok, signing off to test that. thanks for your assistance!
[05:19] <dalit> i want to power down my screen off if kept idle. how to do?
[05:19] <fibz_> sorry holstein, just starting from OSI level 1 and working my way up from there
[05:19] <holstein> fibz_: no need to be sorry.. i was just letting you know what i knew
[05:20] <fibz_> launcher menu -> settings -> settings manager -> power manager.  also check out the screen saver's settings if your having trouble.
[05:20] <fibz_> @ dalit
[05:20] <dalit> yah
[05:21] <dalit> fibz_ : that was so easy, thank u :)
[05:28] <sideup66> holstein, would you know how to disable ps2 detection in grub
[05:28] <sideup66> would it be the same argument as nousb
[05:29] <holstein> sideup66: you would just blacklist the module, AFAIK.. but, that is not the issue
[05:29] <holstein> sideup66: is the system hanging with an error about a ps2 keyboard not being present? it shouldnt, since headless is expected in linux
[05:30] <sideup66> no but it hangs on init-scripts bottom
[05:30] <sideup66> it just hangs
[05:30] <sideup66> no error
[05:32] <sideup66> i just realized
[05:32] <sideup66> the syslog may tell me what is hanging up
[05:32] <sideup66> if i dig through some log files
[05:32] <sideup66> i may be able to catch the error or failure
[06:51] <hkr> Hi.
[07:02] <hkr> Does anybody know what the default font in xubuntu is ?
[07:04] <delt> hello
[07:04] <delt> any idea what causes this bug with the laptop cover? (always suspend)
[07:05] <delt> ...and how to fix it?
[07:06] <Unit193> Yes, systemd.  Edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf.  It's happening because xfpm doesn't inhibit it.
[07:07] <delt> ah, got it. what do i change in the file?
[07:07] <delt> everything seems to be commented out (starts with #)
[07:09] <Unit193> Uncomment what you want to change.
[07:10] <delt> i see this: #LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited=yes
[07:10] <delt> looking at the manpage now...
[07:10] <Unit193> #HandleLidSwitch=suspend
[07:11] <delt> uncomment and change to =ignore ?
[07:13] <Unit193> If that's what you want, yep.
[07:15] <delt> works, thanks!
[11:17] <nikolam> does this pitivi, video editor even works for you on 12.04 32bit?
[11:18] <nikolam> it seems like it is "estimating" to render movie.. forever
[11:19] <nikolam> aand avidemux is crashing on importing mpeg4 video..
[11:19] <nikolam> does anyone even test any apps in distros?
[11:21] <knome> yes... and any further contributions to that area is welcome
[11:21] <elfy> though we'd not be testing anything other than default apps
[11:27] <nikolam> will try others. after all, ffmpeg should be able to do simple cut from cli.
[12:15] <xubuntu882> Hello::..
[12:16] <cfhowlett> xubuntu882, greetings
[12:16] <xubuntu882> get no suggestions for additional drivers an my xubuntu installation what to do?
[12:16] <bekks> xubuntu882: Which drivers do you want to install?
[12:17] <xubuntu882> got switchable garphics with nvidia card
[12:17] <bekks> Then you have to use bumblebee or nvidia-prime
[12:17] <Sysi> !bumblebee
[12:18] <xubuntu882> in my virtualbox installation the ubuntu addtional drivers is workung but in xubuntu it is not
[12:19] <xubuntu882> i was asking me why?
[12:19] <bekks> In virtualbox, there is a totally different graphics adapter.
[12:19] <xubuntu882> i know it is different
[12:19] <xubuntu882> i got an istallation on my hdd and in vb+
[12:20] <xubuntu882> #i was trying to fing out what the reason is. and i found out that it is working in ubuntu but not in xubuntu.
[12:21] <xubuntu882> there is both installed in vb and on my harddrive
[12:24] <bekks> The reason is the fact that there is no "driver to just install without further configuration" when using Nvidia Optimus. Thats why it isnt suggested.
[12:25] <xubuntu882> but what is the reason, that i get drivers in ubuntu but not in xubuntu. the base is the same but what is the reason its not working?
[12:25] <TheSheep> xubuntu882: tell us when you find out
[12:26] <xubuntu882> you don't understand...
[12:26] <bekks> xubuntu882: In vbox, there is no Nvidia Otimus, thats why you get a suggestion there.
[12:27] <cfhowlett> xubuntu882, what he said ^^^^
[12:31] <xubuntu882> in vb in xubuntu13.10 it says " No additional drivers available" and in ubuntu 13.10it says " Innothek Systemberatung GmbH ...aso ) and (ubuntu 12.4) on my hdd gets suggestions and my xubuntu installation not.
[12:32] <xubuntu882> And i would like to have the same result in my xubuntu...?!
[12:32] <bekks> xubuntu882: did you install the guest additions?
[12:32] <elfy> install guest additions
[12:32] <xubuntu882> yes
[12:33] <bekks> xubuntu882: Same version as the vbox version?
[12:34] <xubuntu882> yes
[12:36] <bekks> Which version? :)
[12:37] <xubuntu882> vb version is 4.3.6
[12:37] <bekks> And did you think about the possibility that jockey maybe working differently in different versions?
[12:38] <xubuntu882> and i found out there are some more people with the same issue
[12:39] <bekks> So jockey is working differently then.
[12:40] <xubuntu882> i think jockey has to work in both versions...? ;-)
[12:40] <bekks> It works, but _differently_
[12:44] <xubuntu882> sorry but got to quit chat for now. i may will ask my questions later..  bye
[12:44] <xubuntu882> :q
[13:06] <xubuntu044> my pc is weak anyone let me which version of Xubuntu is good for it?
[13:07] <cfhowlett> xubuntu044, "weak" tells nothing about specifications ...
[13:09] <xubuntu044> my PC Celeron 2.13GHz 248MB of RAM
[13:09] <cfhowlett> xubuntu044, try lubuntu
[13:10] <Sysi> you can't use any webbrowser sanely with that amount of RAM, you should get more if you really want to use that system
[13:10] <xubuntu044> any differentce between Xubuntu and Lubuntu? I downloaded Lubuntu but not used it
[13:11] <cfhowlett> xubuntu044, lubuntu is optimized for lower / older tech.  xubuntu is not.
[13:12] <xubuntu044> Lubuntu 12.04 can be good for my PC?
[13:12] <cfhowlett> xubuntu044 I only run LTS  releases  - fewer headaches
[14:17] <asterismo> is there any good terminal irc client to connect over tor?
[15:08] <ElfEn_> hello all
[16:26] <Unit193> asterismo: Irssi does, and guessing weechat does too.
[17:28] <xubuntu397> hi! quick one. I've been changing icons all over the place, and now don't know which of the elementary ones are default. Darker?
[18:55] <jrock20041> When I bootup my laptop with my hdmi monitor hooked in I get no sound thru laptop speakers. I can only get it thru hdmi monitor
[18:55] <holstein> jrock20041: you should be able to use pavucontrol to route to the audio device you choose
[18:56] <jrock20041> I am using pavu control and in the config tab I have two built-in autio
[18:56] <jrock20041> *audio
[18:56] <holstein> jrock20041: you might need to get something playing before you can route..
[18:57] <holstein> jrock20041: dont trust the labels there.. try all options
[18:57] <jrock20041> I do have a youtube video playing
[18:57] <holstein> jrock20041: dont try and test flash and web browsers at the same time.. try a simple local file in a simple player
[18:58] <jrock20041> ok trying now and still same results
[18:58] <holstein> jrock20041: does audio work otherwise through the device?
[18:59] <jrock20041> Yes it works it still goes thry hdmi
[18:59] <holstein> jrock20041: what does that mean? so, the audio is mirrored in both the HDMI and the device you are trying to use?
[18:59] <jrock20041> if I shutdown unplug hdmi bootup, sound goes thru laptop just fine. Horrible quality but fine
[19:00] <holstein> jrock20041: that might be a nice work-around, then
[19:00] <jrock20041> If I plug in hdmi, bootup, all sound goes thry hdmi
[19:08] <jrock20041> I will continue to research this issue
[19:09] <jrock20041> Next one, my laptop has an hdmi port and a mini display port. I am trying to get video working thru both but it not working for mini display port. Will I need to configure my xorg itself?
[19:09] <holstein> jrock20041: you can try looking for and applying upgrades.. you can try older or newer or different distros live.. kernel versions and alsa versions can make and break support for audio devices, and graphics drivers can help support the HDMI
[19:10] <holstein> jrock20041: the issue is, if you can reboot and leave it unpluged, or plugged, and get the functionality you want, that might be as good as it gets, since support for HDMI audio can be mubh more challenging that that, and usually just wont work
[19:11] <holstein> jrock20041: i would say, if you have not tried all the options for video card drivers, start there
[19:11] <holstein> !ati
[19:12] <jrock20041> Nvidia is laptop screen and hdmi I believe. Mini display port is intel
[19:12] <holstein> jrock20041: i dont think so. you should confirm that..
[19:12] <holstein> jrock20041: the link i gave will help you determine what hardware you have, and there should be, for nvidia, open drivers as well as proprietary drivers
[19:13] <holstein> jrock20041: the proprietary drivers do not ship by default, and can help address both of the issues you mention, assuming the vendor provides good linux support to you via that driver
[19:33] <juan_> hi! my borders gone, onyone know the comand to recover it?
[19:33] <holstein> juan_: what "borders"?
[19:33] <elfy> window I suspect - xfwm4 --replace perhaps - never remember which does which :)
[19:34] <juan_> the upper borders... to close the windows
[19:35] <juan_> sorry, problems with the 'windows'...
[19:36] <elfy> juan_: try Alt+F2 then command xfwm4 --replace
[19:37] <juan_> elfy, got it!
[19:37] <juan_> elfy, thank you!
[19:38] <elfy> welcome
[19:42] <xubuntu884> good evening...
[19:44] <xubuntu884> i get no suggestions in the additional drivers selection of my xubunruinstallation.
[19:44] <bekks> Which drivers?
[19:44] <xubuntu884> graphics
[19:45] <xubuntu884> any idea
[19:47] <xubuntu884> i got ubuntu installt and xubuntu. it works in ubuntu but not in xubuntu..
[19:47] <xubuntu884> i got ubuntu installed and xubuntu. it works in ubuntu but not in xubuntu..
[19:58] <xubuntu884> what package is responsible in xubuntu to provide the information?
[19:58] <xubuntu884> i would like to choose the proprietary driver but it is not possible.
[19:58] <xubuntu884> and i want to get this fixed
[19:58] <xubuntu884> somehow
[19:58] <xubuntu884> is there any german guidance
[19:58] <xubuntu884> my question is, i get no suggestions in the additional drivers selection of my xubunruinstallation. how to get this fixed?
[19:58] <xubuntu884> noone?
[19:58] <xubuntu884> none?
[19:58] <Unit193> xubuntu884: Perhaps it has no drivers for your hardware?
[19:58] <xubuntu884> of course there is. in my ubuntuinstallation there is a choice.
[19:58] <Unit193> Settings Manager -> Additional Drivers  is the exact same tool.
[19:59] <xubuntu884> it is the same tool but is not woring for me in xubuntu..
[20:00] <elfy> exactly the same versions of ubuntu/xubuntu - ie both 13.10 or
[20:00] <elfy> 13.04
[20:03] <xubuntu884> on the hdd it is ubuntu 12.04 and xubuntu 13.10
[21:39] <techinstein> does anyone now how to fix sound error?
[21:39] <techinstein> hi
[21:51] <Squall> Can someone please check for me whether changing the mouse theme actually works for them?
[21:55] <TheSheep> Squall: it works, but not in already running apps
[21:58] <Squall> ok. The problem i seem to be having is that when i select a new mouse theme all the cursors change to what they're meant to be except for the main normal arrow which stays as the default.
[21:58] <Sysi> what if you log out and back in?
[22:00] <Squall> Ah. Stupid as it may sound i haven't tried that. Back soon.
[22:02] <techinstein> how do you get sound to work i dont see volume settings either
[22:06] <Squall> Tried it and its worked and not worked. If i'm in opera then i get the black normal arrow cursor but as soon as i move my mouse over the title bar of the windoww or onto the taskbar or desktop or xchat then it goes back to the default white.
[22:25] <Squall> Tried it and its worked and not worked. If i'm in opera then i get the black normal arrow cursor but as soon as i move my mouse over the title bar of the windoww or onto the taskbar or desktop or xchat then it goes back to the default white.
[22:26] <Squall> Oops sorry didn't mean to repost that
[22:26] <Squall> Not even quite sure how i did that lol
[22:28] <Squall> Also does anyone know how change the font colour across the whole system?
[22:32] <TheSheep> Squall: choose a gtk theme that has the right color, or make your own theme
[22:34] <ochosi> Squall: in our latest release (13.10) we ship a tool for that
[22:34] <ochosi> it's called gtk-theme-config
[22:34] <ochosi> you can find it in the settings-dialog as "Theme configuration" if your system is in english
[22:35] <ochosi> note: you can't change *all* theme colors with it, but a few basic ones
[22:43] <Squall> ok thanks
[22:49] <Squall> I managed to sort the cursor colour issue using the information found here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/459647/comments/110 followed by a reboot which i found a link to here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1974227
[22:50] <Squall> What the hell did the bot just do?
[22:57] <bazhang> report a  bug
[22:58] <bazhang> bug #1
[22:59] <Squall> ah right ok cool
[22:59] <Squall> thats pretty clever