[00:24] <SonikkuAmerica> Rocking with Trusty Alpha 1! Congratulations for being the only alpha flavor thus far that can install itself properly!
[00:25] <valorie> what else have you tried, SonikkuAmerica?
[00:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Xubuntu and Ubuntu GNOME's alphas both crash trying to write in something for GStreamer.
[00:26] <SonikkuAmerica> (GTK+ problem, maybe? *grin*)
[00:26] <valorie> could be
[00:26] <valorie> no unity alpha?
[00:26] <valorie> oh, they are rolling these days, right?
[00:27] <SonikkuAmerica> Did they opt in?
[00:27] <valorie> not sure; I don't follow ubuntu-devel
[00:28] <SonikkuAmerica> They have dailies... haven't given them a shot yet
[00:32] <SonikkuAmerica> valorie: I doubt you'll have time, but if you grab the latest Xubuntu ISO, it's a comedy at present.
[00:32] <valorie> no time for that sort of comedy!
[00:32] <valorie> tonight is my night with my dad in his nursing home
[00:32] <SonikkuAmerica> I see
[00:33] <valorie> I do seed all the released *buntu isos
[00:33] <valorie> new ones, at least, and LTSs
[00:33] <SonikkuAmerica> This is my first time doing extensive beta testing across flavors.
[00:33] <SonikkuAmerica> (and alpha)
[00:34] <valorie> tried lubuntu yet?
[00:34] <valorie> or do they even have an alpha
[00:35] <valorie> I've only done one alpha
[00:35] <SonikkuAmerica> No, they don't, and they won't either.
[00:35] <valorie> that might have been 12.04
[00:35] <valorie> it was steady
[00:35] <valorie> usually not even beta
[00:35] <valorie> a couple of times i have
[00:35] <SonikkuAmerica> I did grab a daily, however. But I'm gonna wait until my other computer gets back from the repair shop and throw Lubuntu daily on that.
[00:36] <valorie> our crew here is good
[00:36] <valorie> they don't just throw stuff at the wall and hope it sticks
[00:36] <valorie> they test before releasing
[00:38] <SonikkuAmerica> lol, I fire up Xubuntu's Live image. I have to log in (!). After I do that, this is what I see, verbatim: "Welcome to the first opening of the panel. पैनल सेटिंग्स संग्रहीत करने के लिए एक नई व्यवस्था शुरू की गई है, क्योंकि यह एक ताजा प्रारंभिक विन्यास लोड 
[00:38] <SonikkuAmerica> करने के लिए है. जब आप पहली बार स्टार्टअप के लिए चाहते हैं जो सेटअप नीचे चुनें."
[00:39] <SonikkuAmerica> If you can't see that, that's Hindi.
[00:39] <valorie> I can
[00:39] <valorie> I love how Hindi looks
[00:41] <SonikkuAmerica> The button read: स्वीकार करना(O) (the OK button).
[00:41] <valorie> lovely
[00:41] <valorie> asking an indian friend what the above text says
[00:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Now I know what the Hindi says because I've used XFCE in the past, but it doesn't give me the option to choose what I want...
[00:41] <valorie> oh, ok
[00:42] <SonikkuAmerica> (The Hindi text is "Because the panel moved to a new system for storing the settings, it has to load a fresh initial configuration. Choose below which setup you want for the first startup.")
[00:42] <SonikkuAmerica> (which is what happens if there's no ~/.xfce4 dir)
[00:42] <valorie> not ready for prime time
[00:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Nope. Then it gave me the 4 icons the Live CD shows: "Home Folder" (in Hindi), Trash (in English), Install Xubuntu 14.04 LTS (in Hindi) and one other icon.
[00:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Thank goodness Ubiquity was (mostly) in English...
[00:44] <SonikkuAmerica> ... and that this is alpha/
[00:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Thankfully Ubuntu GNOME's Live desktop actually looked like GNOME.
[03:51] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1266333] package libqtgui4 4:4.8.4+dfsg-0ubuntu18.1 failed to install/upgrade: cannot copy extracte... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1266333 (by bradleyd)
[04:51] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1266333] package libqtgui4 4:4.8.4+dfsg-0ubuntu18.1 failed to install/upgrade: cannot copy extracte... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1266333 (by bradleyd)
[06:33] <soee> good morning
[08:03] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:38] <tester56> libQtScript does not seem to have a debug package ... should I file a bug against it?
[09:49] <mitya57> shadeslayer: Any update on qt4?
[09:52] <tester56> it seems dbg package for libqtscript is named libqt4-script-dbg  :-)
[10:06] <mitya57> tester56: the main package is libqt4-script, and there is no "libqtscript" package
[10:07] <tester56> mitya57: yeah my mistake ... I was judging from a backtace ^^ 
[11:47] <Riddell> yofel: you're on 4.11.5 today?
[11:47] <Riddell> I'd like to get on with packaging some of the KF5 tars just so we get a good name when it launches
[11:47] <Riddell> but also I've 600 e-mails to go through
[12:28] <Riddell> "Ryan Kavanagh (ryanakca) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team until 2015-01-07" yay ryanakca still loves us!
[12:42] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[13:07] <ryanakca> Riddell: I do :)
[13:08] <ryanakca> I don't have enough time to contribute to both Kubuntu and Debian with school work, but I still love Kubuntu and contribute to Debian instead in the hopes of hitting two birds with one stone :) Some day I hope to come back and actively contribute again though...
[13:41] <jussi> ryanakca: we still love you for sharing your server with us :)
[13:48] <claydoh> Mamarok: valorie that Ralf person on the ml is one to watch, I think
[13:50]  * shadeslayer bounces to trello
[14:35] <Riddell> nice e-mail of the day http://pastebin.kde.org/p4nbgkuox
[14:56] <kfunk> Riddell: 'nuff said!
[14:57] <Riddell> hi kfunk, congrats on the e.v. membership
[14:57] <kfunk> heh. thank you!
[16:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: did you know overriden_command was something pkg-kde-tools specific?
[16:06] <yofel> yes
[16:06] <shadeslayer> okay, I didn't :D
[16:06] <yofel> *blink*
[16:07] <yofel> do we have a chanserv protected topic now o.O?
[16:07] <Riddell> override_dh_command is not
[16:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no, using $(overriden_command)
[16:08] <shadeslayer> because you used $(overriden_command) in libkolab and it has no effect
[16:08] <shadeslayer> ( even throws a error in the build log )
[16:08] <Riddell> aah
[16:08] <Riddell> clever pkg-kde-tools
[16:12] <shadeslayer> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/2011-March/001573.html
[16:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plz upload https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/libkolab_0.5.0-0ubuntu2.dsc
[16:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: onto it
[16:21] <shadeslayer> thx
[16:37] <Riddell> PaulW2U: yo!
[16:38] <Riddell> you're into test cases?
[16:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: libkolab compiles not looking happy
[16:39] <shadeslayer> huh? It compiled fine here
[16:39] <shadeslayer> *looks*
[16:39] <Riddell> powerpc and arm
[16:40] <shadeslayer> bah, probably new symbols
[16:40] <PaulW2U> Riddell: well sort of :o)
[16:42] <Riddell> PaulW2U: as apachelogger says that website is a bit faffy and because we have a lot of queues to go through it may well be nobody looks at it (I haven't much) but you're welcome and encouraged to try
[16:42] <Riddell> making some test cases then seeing if anyone runs them
[16:42] <Riddell> would need conjoling
[16:44] <PaulW2U> for now I'll hold off writing them. it seems that no-one else has for some months and they launchpad bugs were created without any reference to the kubuntu team or any other flavour come to that
[16:47] <jussi> valorie: or ahoneybun about?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/libkolab_0.5.0-0ubuntu3.dsc
[17:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: actually hold off on that upload for a second
[17:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh.. too late
[17:11] <shadeslayer> well, we'll find out soon enough, didn't notice arm64 was still building
[17:11] <shadeslayer> should be fine
[17:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you also review the Qt 4.8.5 merge in bzr
[17:30] <shadeslayer> I'm reviewing it as well
[17:31] <jussi> kde bug 253547
[17:33] <jussi> has anyone got thoughts about how to fix that bug? or any more info needed that I could provide?
[17:33] <jussi> apachelogger: harald?
[17:34] <Riddell> mm, it should just pass the url if it's a kde application
[17:34] <Riddell> which depends on some value in the .desktop file
[17:35] <Riddell> else it downloads it
[17:37] <jussi> hrm, so perhaps this is just a multibug thing where our .desktops are broken? or?
[17:40] <jussi> Riddell: seems according to that bug it isnt fixed with the .desktop thing: "This is still present in ubuntu 13.04 KDE spin and Fedora 19 KDE spin (4.10.5). adding the protocols to vlc.desktop in home directory and under /usr/share/applications/ doesn't solve the problem."
[17:55] <Riddell> jussi: hmm, so needs looked into whatever part of kdelibs manages that
[18:21] <Riddell> hi SonikkuAmerica 
[18:24] <tester56> are backtraces created by apport accepted upstream (e.g. on bugs.kde.org)?
[18:25] <tester56> i have experimented a bit and found out that apart from formatting they are pretty identical ...
[18:26] <tester56> sometimes when an application crashes apport starts instead of drkonqui
[18:26] <Riddell> yes they should be
[18:26] <Riddell> how do you get a backtrace out of apport?
[18:26] <tester56> i think you have to have apport-retrace installed
[18:27] <tester56> in kde apport usually does not show up graphical
[18:27] <tester56> but you can find information in /var/crash
[18:27] <tester56> open the file and search for trace ...
[18:28] <tester56> here on my main setup I do not find traces ... but on my experimantal setup i have apport-retrace installed and there backtraces are there
[18:30] <SonikkuAmerica> Riddell: Hello!
[18:30] <Riddell> SonikkuAmerica: are you here to become an elite kubuntu contributor?
[18:31] <tester56> i think apport is actually a good reason to use ubuntu based systems ... because how do other distributions handle crashes of for example qt-only applications? 
[18:31] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1251140] KDE "display settings" control panel module displays empty window @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1251140 (by kolen)
[18:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Actually, I've been approved by valorie to do a one-page landing for Kubuntu after the pattern of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/LubuntuLinks and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/OneStopPage
[18:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Here's what I have so far: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/KubuntuLinks
[18:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Just a basic layout and imported "other useful links" thus far... feel free to improve
[18:33] <SonikkuAmerica> (I also have Alpha 1 in a VM too)
[18:34] <SonikkuAmerica> So, Riddell, to answer your question, yes, I am come to contribute to your community in that wise :)
[18:36] <Riddell> awooga
[18:36] <Riddell> welcome along
[18:37] <tester56> because qt-only application do not include kcrash class ... 
[19:20] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1242633] unity pointer barriers sru bug @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1242633 (by Maarten Lankhorst)
[20:03] <valorie> claydoh, mamarok: I've already written Ralf a guiding email about his language; got no reply. If I didn't cc the owner address, i should have
[20:04] <valorie> jussi, here now
[20:04] <valorie> plumbers have gone
[20:07] <Mamarok> valorie: claydoh already did that, didn't you see that mail?
[20:15] <claydoh> woot:  from distrowatch" Kubuntu has regained quite a bit of popularity during the past year when it returned to the top 25 for the first time since 2010."
[20:16] <claydoh> not that page hit rankings are uber important/realistic but cool cool cool ;)
[20:31] <valorie> Mamarok: no, so I must have done it first
[20:32] <valorie> I'll look at my email again
[20:37] <Mamarok> valorie: that should always go to the owners list, don't do this without Cc, else we have no trace of it
[20:39] <valorie> I'll forward my copy now; sorry for not doing that earlier
[20:39] <valorie> I'm sole LO on so many lists; sometimes forget that stuff on the few I co-manage
[20:48] <valorie> boo, I must have deleted that entire thread
[20:48] <valorie> anyway, he's been warned twice; once publicly, once privately
[20:49] <valorie> time now to clean up after the plumbers etc.
[22:24]  * Darkwing does a slow wave
[22:24] <Riddell> happy new year Darkwing 
[22:25] <Darkwing> Happy New Year to you all as well.
[22:26] <Darkwing> dang it's cold.
[22:38] <shadeslayer> go to Australia
[22:45] <valorie> Darkwing: happy new year
[22:45] <valorie> http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/01/did-global-warming-get-arctic-drunk
[22:46] <valorie> first explanation of the jet stream and your cold weather that I've found understandable