=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [02:22] 811.0 MB Rate: 315.8 / 0.0 KB Uploaded: 20279.7 MB [ R: 25.00] [07:05] morning all === JamesTait is now known as Guest84209 [08:27] Morning [08:27] morning [08:41] morning [08:42] * DJones contemplates opening his work email client after most of the last 2 weeks off....or waiting another 24 hours and just getting on with useful work [08:43] DJones: if you open it, you'll loose today :D [08:43] does anyone know how to use the OSM API? [08:43] MooDoo: Yeah, that was my thought as well [08:46] ali1234: bits of it [08:46] i need a bit of code that will take lat/lon and return the 10 nearest streets to that point [08:49] huh... so I seem to have hit the magic 301+ views on Youtube, for my SteamOS installation walkthrough video [08:49] directhex: awesome [08:49] directhex: my ratio is at 31 now [08:50] ali1234, awesome [08:50] I think it says 301+ when it's not actually sure yet how many views it's actually done, it should update it soon :D [08:50] what happens is that before 300 views, they don't bother to check for unique views, spam views etc [08:51] wow, I'm talking to someone who is running Windows XP and uses MS Outlook Express, it's like I just stepped through a time portal. [08:51] dwatkins: I know loads of people that are doing that :D [08:52] MooDoo: wow, ok - I still have it on a couple machines, but only as a dual boot option I rarely use [08:52] and then mostly for games [08:53] ali1234: I think you have to search for the tag highway=residential, most of the stuff I have been doing is postcode searches [08:53] AlanBell: postcode searches is exactly what i need [08:53] specifically i need street address from post code [08:54] i have the PostZon dataset but that only gives you lat/lon [08:55] i need this in order to verify address data, so just checking that the post code location is nearby a street with the given name is good enough [08:58] ah ok, so that is interesting to me too :) I have the PAF postcode locations and converted them from northings and eastings to lat/lng which is enough for me to put markers on the map [08:58] but address validation would be cool [08:58] it would need an xapi search http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Xapi [08:58] morning dudes [09:00] directhex: rate limited my torrent client overnight and it still hit [ R: 27.88] [09:00] (morning btw) [09:01] AlanBell: exactly. PostZon is the same thing you have [09:01] PAF is actually the full dataset that costs money [09:01] been researching all this for the past couple of hours :) [09:03] i calculated that if you have a class B network you can look up every post code on royal mail's website, 50 per day per IP, and steal the whole database in just one month :) [09:03] you can download the abbreviated PAF with the centrepoint of each postcode [09:03] which is probably postzon [09:04] yeah that's what i have [09:04] ali1234: https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html code point open [09:05] yeah [09:06] you shouldn't need to steal the database. That sort of information should be public to begin with. [09:06] yeah there was yet another consultation about opening it up just a couple of months ago [09:06] it only costs £300 anyway so i'm surprised it's not on pirate bay already [09:07] apparently it's 6GB [09:07] there was a leaked version on Wikileaks some years ago [09:07] no, that was the PostZon data, it was leaked in 2009 and in 2010 they released it for free properly [09:07] 6GB is nothing by modern standards [09:08] ah [09:09] the full paf is the polygon of each postcode and details of each door with a letterbox in it (each posting location) [09:09] yes [09:09] if i had that it would make what i am trying to do so much easier [09:09] oh. I didn't know it was that detailed [09:10] you know when you go to a website and put in your address and it just asks for post code and street number? means they pay royal mail something like 10p for every look up [09:10] or just buy the whole database [09:11] http://www.poweredbypaf.com/end-user/products/data-products/paf-raw-data/ tells all about it [09:11] considering that royal mail used taxpayers money to create that database, charging extra for it seems like a scam [09:12] they can't make more than 10% profit from it y law [09:12] the database does have to be maintained [09:12] £300 for the whole thing isn't really that bad if you have a business need for it [09:13] hey everyone [09:13] they could do it for free and put up the price of a stamp to compensate, but then lots of people would scream about that, the people screaming about PAF costs are not significant numbers of voters [09:14] but yeah, I would like it to be open data [09:15] well, now that royal mail is public, chances are the price will go up from £300 [09:15] I wouldn't be surprised if there's a 10 fold increase [09:15] if you think the PAF is expensive, look at how much it costs to buy the electoral register [09:15] disappointingly that's not on pirate bay either [09:19] Good morning all! :) === Guest84209 is now known as JamesTait [09:19] And again, good morning all! [09:19] JamesTait: happy Pathet Lao Day [09:19] popey, thank you! :) [09:20] I need a new gimmick [09:20] hah [09:44] ali1234: I'm not sure I'd trust the data if I got it off TPB. [10:26] http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/06/seiki-u-vision-hdmi-cable/ - 4K upscaling hdmi... cable [10:28] I don't "get" upscaling [10:28] surely it's the same source, no additional data magically appears to fill in the extra lines/columns? [10:28] Neither do I [10:28] it's simple, it's a buzzword to get people to buy stuff they don't need at an inflated price [10:29] ALOHA :) How are we all doing? [10:29] very well thank you [10:29] popey, indeed [10:30] apart from the fact that I'm *still* mega snotty [10:30] SuperMatt: excellent [10:30] popey, typically sharpening & denoising algorithms applied after resolution change [10:30] yourself? [10:30] popey, plus using a fancy scaling algorithm too [10:31] but a cable doesn't need to do that when the tv can [10:31] i keep everything on SD and it all looks good [10:31] so long as the telly is a good SD one [10:33] foobarry, the difference with cel animation between an SD source and HD source is night & day [10:33] only if you compare [10:33] SuperMatt, the company making that cable doesn't have good scaling in their TVs [10:33] when we didn't have HD , people were generally happy [10:34] when people got HD telly, they thought SD sources looked awful [10:35] finished my hurricane: http://i.imgur.com/cpsob1y.jpg [10:35] on a "moonlit snowy airfield" because i haven't painted my airfield dio yet [10:37] yes, we should all go back to 11" black and white mono tellys [10:38] with wired "remotes" [10:39] but we all knew the wired remotes and bw were annoying. unless i am willing to purchase HD sources (freeview tuner, pvr, blueray, games console), at the same time i should stay with my sd telly [10:39] heh, my wife tells the story of the one time her dad got mad. he wanted to watch World of Sport, she wanted to watch Dukes of Hazard. He had the (wired) remote, she was sat in front of the telly. [10:39] They fought for control, then he threw her upstairs, fixing the issue. [10:39] i only ever saw a wired remote on a hitachi vhs [10:41] SuperMatt: not bad now first day back in nearly 2.5 weeks [10:41] games which are essentially unplayable in SD (font size issues) started happening in 2006 [10:41] i have a wii [10:42] i have a wii u. wind waker hd looks amaaaaaaazing in 1080p [10:42] but i appreciate there must be a problem with new consoles [10:42] i did enjoy that wii u hacking thing at ccc [10:42] and you don't get to enjoy the good grx [10:43] http://www.1up.com/news/capcom-responds-dead-rising-sdtv [10:50] that's quite funny [10:51] i was watching some show on BBC HD the other day and the credits were really small. it was simulcast on BBC SD. i dunno if they make different versions of the shows, or just leave it unreadable [10:53] i can't get cbeebies hd :( [10:53] Morning all [10:53] i can't get all the new channels [10:54] i think i get cbeebies but not bbc 4 [10:54] the biggest barrier to me getting an hd telly is getting rid of the old one...its flippin heavy [10:55] freecycle [10:56] get-iplayer ♥ [10:56] do people still want big crts? most poor people seem to have the biggest screens :D [10:56] I honestly don't get the point of massive tv's [10:56] define "massive" [10:57] foobarry: Local recycling places take them [10:57] about ... ye big ... shows with arms [10:57] Just dumped my sisters down the local council recycling place [10:57] there's some niche appeal to specific models of CRT, but other than those, no resale value [10:57] diplo: yeah, have to get it to the car first...same problem withthe old boiler in my back garden [10:58] popey: I mean, we've got a rectangle shaped lounge and pretty much the only way tv and sofas can be is right opposite each other on the long walls - distance between is about 2m if even that [10:58] how big a tv do you need for that? [10:58] * popey shrugs [10:58] interesting that my local freecycle , the wanteds outnumber offers by 7 to 1 [10:58] ours is 42" [10:58] but the next one I get will likely be 32" [10:59] http://www.tested.com/tech/gaming/456719-best-crt-retro-games/ === nsh_ is now known as nsh [10:59] Myrtti, ALL THE INCHES [10:59] ridonkulous [11:00] Myrtti, IMAX experience at home! [11:00] although do agree that we do need a bigger tv for the bedroom than what we've got right now - and could just move the one we have in the lounge there and get a new one downstairs, but D has opinions on the set up he wants so it's a bit difficult [11:01] I'd be happy with a Youview box but he's flown for years with Miglia EyeTV on Mac Mini [11:01] Morning all [11:02] AlanBell: https://gist.github.com/ali1234/8281203 [11:02] does youview run on linux? [11:02] or some prorietary OS [11:03] allagedly linux (wikipedia) [11:04] it;s humax so almost certainly linux [11:04] I just bought a Humax stb, it's ace. [11:06] It's only got one tuner, but you can watch a recording and record something else at the same time, which also has the advantage you can mostly skip the adverts by fast forwarding. [11:08] technically single-tuner boxes can record 2 things at once [11:09] but only from the same transponder/frequency [11:09] but not all pairs of channels are possible, and most STBs don't implement it [11:09] if on the same mux [11:09] my topfield has 2 tuners and often can record 3 things [11:10] ali1234: That looks good, may have a tinker myself [11:12] what i'm doing is writing some software that takes contacts (name, address, telephone number) and cleans them up, deduplicates etc [11:13] the fun part is that it doesn't care about the input format. you can just feed it a bunch of csv files from different sources and it figures out which parts are phone numbers, addresses etc [11:14] Nice, I've seen proprietary stuff to do that ( we had it at my last place ) but could do with it with our current software but not even in scope yet [11:18] hmm... i need a list of common first names [11:19] bz2ing 9.2GB db dump appears to take a rather long time [11:19] jim. jim is a common first name [11:19] * bigcalm twiddles his thumbs [11:19] * popey stabs headphones [11:19] they disconnect every 5 mins [11:19] can't tell if it's a headphone issue or linux bluetooth one [11:19] Boot to windows? [11:20] directhex: I wondered about that, I'll see if I can force it to record two things from the same transpoder [11:20] directhex: yeah got a couple of jims in here [11:20] transponder, even [11:20] well, yes, but that changes too much [11:20] ali1234: you'll have great fun with my name, it can be spelled in about four different ways ;) [11:20] Dominic, Dominick, Dominik or Dominique [11:20] popey: probably not a bluetooth issue, it tends to degrade before disconnecting [11:21] dymynyc [11:21] and then there's the list of salutation, from Mr, Mrs, Ms etc. to Wing Commander, Brigadeer, Judge etc. [11:21] my dataset isn't that big [11:21] transponder for DVB-S, multiplex for DVB-T [11:35] * dwatkins bucks the trend by starting e-mails with "Hi $NAME" and ending them with "Sincerely" [11:35] I have no idea what "Regards" means, so I don't use it any more. [11:37] it means "best wishes" [11:37] dwatkins: http://www.englishforums.com/English/BestRegardsRegardsYoursSincerely-Answer/bpbgv/post.htm [11:37] foobarry: I put that in my christmas cards, not e-mails [11:37] i don't put anything [11:38] sometimes "cheers" [11:38] MooDoo: yeah, it varies from country to country in interesting ways, too - in Sweden, you always use first names, in Germany, you rarely use first names. [11:38] then again, i've pretty much given up capital letters too [11:38] I probably over-capitalise, as every noun has a capital letter in German, and I write a lot of German. [11:39] you could use a forward slash: /dwatkins [11:39] I don't even know if a language needs to be capitalised in English, come to think of it. [11:39] foobarry: interesting, but that would make me think it was an IRC command. [11:39] 11:39 -%- Irssi: Unknown command: dwatkins [11:39] /emailquit [11:40] /eof [11:40] would be great [11:40] \0 [11:40] I've seen e-mails with the important information in the subject, where the body contains just: EOM [11:40] or NM [11:41] End of message, I assume, but I doubt that's an official TLA. [11:41] Never Mind, foobarry? [11:41] no message [11:41] See Subject [11:41] i'm fasting until lunch, and i'm starvin like marvin [11:42] keep finding sweets and stuff, and i have half opened pringles on my desk [11:42] I always think of the Stargate episode Zero Hour when I see the phrase "Never mind": http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080107220726/stargate/images/f/f6/Zero_Hour_(Stargate_SG-1).jpg - Jack writes a long letter saying how he doesn't want to do the job, ending with this [11:43] never fails to amuse me how you pc is unusable when windows decides to update [11:43] in fairness, my Ubuntu virtual machine was rather slow whilst I was apt-get updating [11:43] at least it is "in session" [11:43] rather than "no user mode" [11:43] oh wow, yeah - I forgot about that [11:44] Windows 8 updates itself when I shut it down [11:44] i accidentally rebooted and lost a whole afternoon [11:44] then i turned it on and its still going , and 2 more reboots [11:45] dwatkins: you can just shutdown, normally the option for installing updates is on the install and reboot options [11:45] I wonder if you can install the updates silently in an enterprise environment, or whether that also requires a reboot of Windows [11:45] i only use it for vmware until i've rolled out 5.5 properly [11:46] I tried running XP in virtualbox at home, but the network throughput was terrible. [11:46] I use vmware fusion quite a lot for OS X and Windows stuff. [11:46] vmware tools enabled? [11:47] yeah, I think virtualbox has its own tools and they were installed, foobarry [11:48] I ended up rebooting into Windows 8, as I had 2 TB of data to upload to Bitcasa. [12:26] they are selling christmas puds in sainsburys for 10p [12:27] yummy [12:27] they look really nice [12:27] but i cant really eat them. bit too "good" for you [12:27] *for me [12:32] because of the fruit? :) [12:40] yeah [12:40] dried fruit especially... [12:42] on a related note, anybody bought unbranded drugs from assetchemist before? [12:42] this is interesting http://falkvinge.net/2014/01/06/censorship-causes-liability-uk-isps-need-to-be-sued-way-out-into-atlantic/ [12:44] \o/ foldio [12:46] popey: A or B? [12:46] I can't decide [12:46] B [12:47] mm [12:47] figured I would mostly photograph on black or white [12:47] and the extra light is handy [12:47] this is true [12:49] popey: that's the lighting studio thingy that was crowdfunded right? [12:49] yes [12:49] the one I couldn't find in Thursday or Friday :) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:03] Hi all, looking for suggestions for gfx cards, as my current card refuses to play with my new machine (can't boot to live cd with it). Any suggestions ? [13:03] (hoping for 4 monitors) [13:03] bigcalm: ^ [13:04] Mez: you've tried with 'nomodeset' i take it? [13:04] what's the current card? [13:04] Intel -> 2x HDMI, 1x DP + 1x "Chained" DP :) [13:05] daftykins: it plays fine with the command line stuff - just not once it gets to GUI (seems to hardlock) [13:05] current card is nVidia Quadro NVS 450 [13:05] ooh-err [13:05] ? That should work. [13:05] MartijnVdS: does ubuntu support chained DP yet ? [13:05] that's both with nouveau and the nvidia proprietary driver? [13:06] i didn't think Linux was playing ball with daisy-chain DP [13:06] daftykins: I can't get to a point to install the proprietary driver. [13:06] how come? can't you do it via command line? [13:06] daftykins: once it gets past ~7seconds on the boot, it seems to hardlock [13:08] is that during trying to start X though? [13:08] daftykins: quite possibly... it doesnt mention it in the log [13:09] Ctral-Alt-F1; see if you get a TTY. If so, log in and try sudo apt-get install nvidia.... (I forget the exact package name; sorry) [13:09] nvidia-current perhaps [13:09] that wont work on a live cd [13:09] ctrl+alt+f1 doesnt give me a tty [13:09] Mez: did you try the nomodeset option? [13:09] live cd will be nouveau [13:09] oh yeah we were talking about the livecd - doh. [13:10] I can get it to a point where the machine is installed, and I get the nvidia stuff installed. [13:10] That's using internal. [13:10] Then once I've done that, switching to the external just hardlocks [13:10] Wait...is this Optimus? [13:11] no [13:11] you don't get optimus with quadro [13:11] at least i think 0o [13:11] plus it sounds like a desktop [13:11] it's definitely a desktop (I'm re-installing using the on-board GFX atm) [13:11] Err....I'm on an Optimus unit just now. With a Qudaro. [13:11] Doesn't work, right enough [13:12] Under optimus, never tried it with just the discrete card (no need) [13:12] TwistedLucidity: is that a more business end laptop then? [13:12] hmmm... brb [13:12] Indeed it is; but it should be the same. Or very similar to anyway; shouldn't it? [13:13] same as what? [13:13] Mez's desktop set-up [13:13] Two GPUs [13:13] no optimus works in a completely different way [13:13] in the desktop case, he's changing display outputs between the card and the on-die graphics [13:14] For using both at once; yes. But swicthing should be the same. [13:14] and/or pulling the card [13:14] IAye [13:14] but in optimus' case the outputs typically are shared between the graphics 'chips' and only get used by one copying frame buffer data to the other [13:14] I would imagine it's a UEFI/BIOS setting to state which GPU should be used. [13:15] Not if you say to only use one. Where the outputs go really depends on what is wired to what; which tends to muddy the waters. [13:15] yeah, not sure what modern systems offer. perhaps they have that old style perameter of "init display first: PEG/PCI" [13:16] that's what i mean yep, in my asus' laptops case, the VGA comes from the nvidia chip direct, whilst HDMI and the internal display are off the on-die intel [13:16] i really doubt it's done by framebuffer copying [13:17] maybe not then, i thought i'd vaguely read that once [13:17] i suppose it's possible [13:17] ali1234 It is, sometimes. Varies from OEM to OEM though depending on how they wired their stuff. [13:17] that would really suck very badly though [13:17] Well....kinda [13:18] for like 10p they could put an analogue switch into the laptop [13:18] It works fine on Windows. But on GNU/Linux..... [13:18] ok, I'm back on the desktop. I've now got 3 screens running, 2 on the onboard, 1 on the Quadro. The screen is detected by nouveau, and works properly (though, it has some issues where if I move my mouse round the screen , it'll show multiple mouse cursors for a moment, then clear them) [13:18] So you are running both GPUs at once? [13:19] at the moment, yes. [13:19] If I try to use just the Quadro, it fails to boot. [13:19] Mez, how are your monitors plugged in? [13:19] And if you wanted to just run on the Quadro, how do you do that? [13:19] directhex: in what sense? [13:19] TwistedLucidity: that's my problem. :) [13:19] displayport? hdmi? [13:19] i think he means are they DVI, HDMI, display port [13:19] directhex: all DP [13:20] ok. can't believe i'm going to say this, but you want a radeon. "eyefinity" cards should have 6 mini-dp ports [13:20] (well, DP on the cards, DVI from monitor through adapters) [13:20] oh, wait [13:20] NO [13:20] that is NOT DP [13:20] Mez: You said earlier you were getting a "hardlock" on tjust the Qudaro. How did you tell the PC to just use the Quadro? [13:20] radeon = badeon [13:21] TwistedLucidity: plugged the monitors into it, turned on the option that bitches if you use the onboard GFX [13:21] What option, where? [13:21] UEFI, BIOS.....? [13:21] (the only video option in bios is "multi monitor" - if disabled, and something is plugged into the onboard, it displays a message saying that I should plug into the add-on) [13:22] the limit to the number of monitors is based on the number of independent pixel clocks the GPU needs to support. all "real" DP monitors can share a pixel clock, non-DP (including DP->anythingelse adapters) come from a total usually of 3 [13:23] TwistedLucidity: lemme reboot into that mode, and see if I can get it working [13:35] what do people use on Ubuntu for drawing trees of ideas, graphs etc.? [13:35] graphviz? [13:35] i have heard of people using some kde/qt thing i always forget the name of [13:36] thanks folks, graphviz looks like it should do what I need [13:36] Oh bollocks....there's a few min-chart things. Err.......names...names... [13:36] don't wanna pay £70 for omnigraffle [13:36] braindump is one [13:37] mind something [13:37] freemind? [13:37] ok, so - now I booted - using nomodeset, or failsafeX from recovery option, I get a beep when it should start X, and then it locks (only responding to alt+sysrq+b) [13:37] cue the bongos [13:37] and it's leet o'clock [13:37] dwatkins: freemind or pencil [13:38] Sounds like lunch time for me [13:38] thanks [13:38] http://imgur.com/a/I05aF [13:38] or use a google chrome app [13:38] Mez: does your display dispense money? [13:38] looks like you hit the jackpot [13:38] lol [13:38] I wish [13:39] I just dump loose change there [13:39] thats ubuntu? [13:39] Ubuntu Gnome [13:39] hmm i have the same monitor but mine doesn't have that handy change tray what's that about? [13:40] Mez: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging [13:40] ali1234: there are two versions of the stand... one has a static base, with the tray, the other has the rotational stuff [13:40] and the thing that lets you lower/heighten the display [13:40] that'll be it then [13:41] popey: I'vw looked through that - but not come across anything like this in there [13:42] lol i put my various gonks there on my monitor base [13:42] my desk is permanently covered in junk so i would probably get some use out of the tray thing [13:46] I cleared mine the other day. So nice to be able to see the keyboard! [13:46] TwistedLucidity / directhex: any suggestions for what to do from here? [13:48] I'm sorry, I don't. My only other thought is that the monitors are plugged into the wrong output OR things are getting thrown by the DP/DVI conversion. [13:48] Is there a LUG near you? [13:49] 2. [13:49] Mez: are you able to switch consoles at-all? [13:49] dwatkins: nope [13:49] seems to be freezing up before the init of the vts [13:49] Mez: ok, does the OS actually come up, e.g. can you ssh into the machine? [13:49] serial port debugging [13:49] this is what you must do... [13:49] dwatkins: just trying to find that out [13:50] i hope your motherboard actually has a serial port [13:50] * Mez goes and checks arp [13:50] cd [13:50] Mez: If you can make one of the LUGs, it might be easier to sort in person. Every LUGer I know can be bribed with beer. :-) [13:50] ali1234: unlikely. [13:50] TwistedLucidity: to an outsider, some of the LUGs, thats all they do..bribe each other with beer to drink more beer [13:51] TwistedLucidity: It's a works machine, and I'm not lugging 4 monitors + PC + gubbins :) [13:51] XD [13:51] (and I'm actually still technically lugmaster for sb) === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:52] ssh wouldn't be installed anyway :( [13:53] Mez: Ah. Well that's a bit of a bugger, innit? [13:53] nope, cause I can get to a console via recovery :) [13:56] I meant the LUG thing. If you do get it fixed....write it up! [13:59] Have you seen this? http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2296633 No reply from OP though. [14:00] password [14:01] ok, so, now I'm on the system where X has crashed... the system is working, I'm ssh'd in... what now? [14:02] Mez: thats why i posted that wiki page [14:02] it details how to debug x issues via ssh [14:04] check all the usual places - dmesg, syslog, /var/log/Xorg.0.log [14:06] lspci [14:06] the logs all seem like things are actually working :( [14:08] http://liliputing.com/2014/01/lenovo-beacon-199-home-media-server-xbmc-pre-loaded-6tb-storage.html [14:09] Try the BusID thing? [14:10] I have an error now :) [14:11] (EE) NOUVEAU(G1): failed to set mode: No space left on device [14:11] so.. not enough display memory? [14:12] surely disk full [14:12] Looks good popey [14:12] hmm, bluetooth range on nexus 7 is far greater than my x220 [14:12] I think it's the pixmap it's trying to write to - doesn't like 4 screens. [14:12] foobarry: nah, it's just ENOSPC [14:13] weirdly though, the intel driver is trying to set the framebuffer? [14:13] possibly worth blacklisting that ? [14:13] Mez: no, it's NOUVEAU right? [14:13] bug 1242478 [14:13] bug 1242478 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "Multiple graphics problems, regression" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1242478 [14:13] not limited to nouveau [14:14]