[00:00] brainwash_, but the PPA does not contain lightdm-gtk-greeter [00:01] no? the PPA is called " [00:01] LightDM GTK+ Greeter Daily" [00:03] brainwash_, ok [00:07] brainwash_, works better :) [00:08] great that we got this sorted [00:10] http://packages.qa.debian.org/libx/libxfce4ui.html Well hey, we could actually try to get that from experimental. That's one we pretty clearly need. [00:10] ochosi, Everything in debian (except indicator 1.0) is already merged, some need sponsoring. All released xfce 4.11 packages are in the debian svn [00:11] Unit193: how do these things get synced anyway? [00:12] or Noskcaj ^ [00:12] ochosi: Automatic for anything in unstable where the Ubuntu version doesn't have ubuntu# [00:12] yeah, but if we need stuff from experimental [00:12] experimental or ubuntu changes need manual work. which i have done [00:13] The program 'requestsync' is in the ubuntu-dev-tools package. [00:16] Noskcaj: so what's in the sponsoring queue already and what still needs work? [00:16] ochosi, Just needs a sponsor [00:16] (sorry if i'm asking many questions now, but i really wanna get an overview over the situation now that the holidays are over) [00:17] it's fine. https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/libxfce4ui/4.11/+merge/200196 is the libxfce4ui merge [00:17] Plus the light-locker fix and the new xfce4-terminal are in the queue [00:19] And i'm currently packaging the embed plugin [00:19] what light-locker fix are you referring to exactly? [00:19] the xflock patch? [00:20] yeah [00:20] well light-locker also needs to replace xscreensaver in the seed.. [00:20] (in case you wanna do another MR) === jjfrv8_ is now known as jjfrv8 [00:21] ochosi: Already requested. [00:21] oh ok [00:22] so basically we have lots of stuff in the queue [00:22] sooooo much stuff [00:22] i asked for help in -motu yesterday [00:22] I have 50+ packages across debian and ubuntu waiting for sponsorship [00:22] xnox kindly offered some support for sponsorship of packages for xubuntu [00:23] * knome crosses fingers that isn't because the "quantity before quality" -method [00:23] so for the really important ones i think we can ping him [00:25] knome, That have build up over the last 6 months [00:25] I have some in debian from when i first started packaging [00:25] no doubt :) [00:27] Noskcaj, do you have a sec? [00:27] slickymaster, Sure [00:27] Bug #1262492, do you really see it as a bug? [00:27] bug 1262492 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "An empty launcher is created instead of a complete launcher in xfce panel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1262492 [00:29] slickymaster, I'm not sure. It would be nice to have the edit popup appear when you make a new launcher, but i can see that annoying people [00:29] Noskcaj, what I mean is that I see the reporter reasoning but it strikes me more as a wishlist that a bug [00:29] than ^^ [00:30] yeah, this should be a wishlist item imo [00:30] and it should be forwarded to upstream anyway [00:30] Priority should be wishlist, should be forwarded upstream with "feature request" in the title [00:30] it'll just rot in lp [00:31] ochosi, yes, that's what I was thinking also [00:31] since you marked as Confirmed, do you want to change it Noskcaj ? [00:32] I don't think i have triage rights [00:32] i might [00:32] night everyone [00:33] bye ochosi [00:33] cy tomorrow ochosi [00:34] knome, good [00:34] (but i don't know what you are talking about, so you might want to point me to the right direction) [00:34] bug 1262492 [00:34] bug 1262492 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "An empty launcher is created instead of a complete launcher in xfce panel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1262492 [00:35] knome, ^^^ [00:35] it strikes me more as a wishlist than a bug [00:35] set as "opinion" [00:35] LP doesn't have "wishlist" [00:35] knome, sure? It's still something people want fixed [00:35] And yes it does [00:36] In the "priority" section [00:36] Noskcaj, exactly [00:36] aha, right [00:36] yeah, me and my sloppy hands [00:36] it's fixed now [00:36] status: Confirmed → Won't Fix [00:36] status: Won't Fix → Opinion [00:36] importance: Undecided → Critical [00:36] importance: Critical → Wishlist [00:36] status: Opinion → Confirmed [00:36] i only need 5 times! [00:36] thing is that I think that someone in the bugsquad team [00:36] /tries [00:37] never mind [00:37] lol [00:38] We probably need more people with triage rights in xubuntu [00:38] +1 on that Noskcaj [00:38] * Noskcaj nominates slickymaster [00:39] * slickymaster hides [00:39] ) [00:39] * knome nominates Noskcaj as the head of all bugs and bees of xubuntu [00:40] but I think you're right, Noskcaj. Do you know how many members of the team hold those rights [00:40] ? [00:40] knome, If you want, but slickymaster does more triage than i do [00:40] Noskcaj, i was only half serious :P [00:40] And i'm guessing 0 [00:40] well, being in -qa kind of leads me to it [00:40] basically anybody who's interested should get that access, it isn't something that you need to do via xubuntu [00:41] Although elfy and pleia can give themselves themselves access because CC [00:41] some access is leaking to me too via various teams [00:41] don't they already have them? [00:41] Pasi Lallinaho → Ubuntu Documentation Committers → Ubuntu Bug Control [00:41] I mean elfy and pleia2? [00:41] maybe [00:42] i'm not sure [00:42] if they were wise, the CC was only the owner of certain teams, not a member [00:42] but that's something that could be looked into [00:43] i guess they could grant themselves the access, but the whole point of the community stuff is that people do not do that, but actually earn the access [00:44] does that requires an active roll in the bug squad? [00:44] or there are other ways/teams? [00:44] i guess you first have to prove you are a worthy triager [00:44] slickymaster, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl [00:45] once you do that, you should get the membership and be in the team eternally [00:45] Noskcaj, yeah, I'aware of that [00:45] just checking [00:46] knome, not exactly. I'm a member of the BugSquad team but I don't have those rights [00:46] slickymaster, you need to be part of the bug control team to have *that* [00:46] but basically it's just more of the same [00:47] i should go to bed [00:48] me, too. I'l be up in about 4 hours to work [00:48] heh [00:48] night, and good luck ;) [00:48] tks. cy all tomorrow [00:48] hace a good night [00:48] have [00:49] g'night slickymaster, knome [00:49] night Noskcaj [00:49] (or day) [00:49] -> [00:49] midday [00:49] Noskcaj, cy [02:23] Dang, and right when I need the P a s i and master of all slickiness. [02:27] :) [02:36] Does LP automatically pull the pot file in and update the po files with it or something? [02:38] Depends on how you've set it up for a project [02:45] Well, I updated the pot and po files... [02:58] slickymaster: If you're crazy enough to read logs, not the intro is translated now: http://unit193.net/xubuntu/pt/ [03:05] PT is in the best of shape, of course. [03:10] And now i'm in the bug control team, a whole 15 min after applying [03:10] :) [05:29] Guys, where's the upstream bugs/commits for the light-locker xflock4 fix? [05:29] logan wants the in #ubuntu-devel [06:40] Noskcaj: do you have any idea how much havoc could be wreaked by an elfy having anything to do with triage ... I am positive that you will find that pleia2 and I only appear to have them because CC owns the teams below it [06:41] ok [06:51] !team |did knome fix it yet :) [06:51] did knome fix it yet :): bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, micahg, mr_pouit, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, Unit193 [06:51] nope [06:52] * Unit193 knows someone likes that trigger... [06:53] I shall abuse the bot until the factoid is correct :p [06:53] Fix what? [06:54] ochosi: knome: Noskcaj: i'm a DD so can sponsor things into debian as well. And well, when sponsoring packages i do review them and ask for things to be fixed up, i don't just blindly dput stuff. [06:54] * Unit193 notes that he should bother xnox about a QA upload. :P [06:54] (Kidding.) [06:55] bad bad Unit193 [06:55] xnox, Well i've got at least 50 [06:55] I'd guess xnox is facepalming now ... :) [06:57] Noskcaj: if it's not on mentors.debian.net or not in http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ they don't count. And I did do a few of yours not so long ago. [06:58] etm-qt in the PAPT, audicious* in pkg-multimedia, 10 in pkg gnome, 13 in mentors (a few aren't actually needing sponsoring there, but gambc really does), 24 in the sponsor queue [06:58] that enough ;) [06:58] Please do a few [06:59] elfy, Why am i not in !team ? or the other two new guys [07:00] because XPL hasn't done it yet I guess - I'm on the hassling detail for that :) [07:00] it'll get done I'm sure :) [07:00] elfy: At least I was kidding, though I need to find it nevertheless. :P [07:00] Unit193: find what? [07:51] ochosi: not got time to look further atm but - suspend seems to just locking - not going down - just cycling to login screen [08:53] Hi, where are Xubuntu 12.04 Alternate Images to test? [08:54] Sorry, of course 14.04!!! [08:57] Noskcaj: when talking about uploads that others could do for us, please focus on those that we urgently need in 14.04 [08:57] TESTER, Sorry, only lubuntu, ubuntu-server, and netboot have alternate installs [08:58] i.e. the three packages for indicators, etc [08:58] ochosi, yeah. will do. I've got logan looking at xflock, he just wants an upstream bug(fix) or gt commit first [08:59] Noskcaj: yeah, well that means it might take ages [08:59] xnox, If you're still around, https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/libxfce4ui/4.11/+merge/200196 is the highest priority merge [08:59] but really, panel and indicators should be the first thing to go in imo [08:59] yup, let's start with that [09:01] 14.04 will be based on XFCE 4.11 ??? [09:01] TESTER, Parts of it [09:01] xnox: thanks, i really appreciate that you don't just blindly dput stuff :) we'll try to only ask you for help where certain quality standards are met [09:02] k, g2g, have a fun day everyone [09:02] Yeah, i need sleep now. bye ochosi [09:02] Noskcaj - so I have to use Lubuntu Iso and then install xfce-desktop (if there is such a thing) when I want to encrypt whole harddisk? [09:02] elfy: i guess looking at the logs would be a good step here [09:03] I have 4.12 runnig fine on 12.04 - is needed for multi monitor support, should be in 14.04 [09:33] morning all [12:39] the !team factoid is updated. [12:52] !team [12:52] bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, mr_pouit, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 [12:52] knome: thanks :) [12:52] rowboatnick, well there was no reason to test it and poke everybody :P [12:53] knome: i had to know :( [12:53] bad rowboatnick :) [12:55] rowboatnick, /msg ubottu !team-#xubuntu-devel [13:27] \o/ [13:49] ochosi, as for light-locker, isn't the lightdm-gtk-greeter going to be too old in Trusty for it? [13:59] ochosi, it might be good to have a mature xscreensaver bundled with Xubuntu; Lubuntu 13.10 uses the greeter in lxlock that is LXDE equivalent of xflock4, and it introduced a critical security bug that has still not been fixed in updates. [14:00] brainwash, hi, isn't the lightdm-gtk-greeter going to be too old for light-locker in Trusty? [14:01] jarnos: no, trusty will ship with version 1.8 I think [14:02] brainwash, so you can't trust http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=%20lightdm-gtk-greeter&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all [14:02] well, it will be version 1.7.0 at least [14:03] jarnos: trusty is still in development, many packages will be updated in the next months [14:04] and version 1.7.0 has been released like 1(?) week ago [14:07] ochosi, this is the bug with lxlock: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxsession/+bug/1205384 [14:07] Ubuntu bug 1205384 in lxsession (Ubuntu) "Lock can be circumvented by switching to console" [High,In progress] [14:08] still not fixed in the official repo? [14:09] wow, a critical bug should be fixed asap [14:11] brainwash, right [14:14] brainwash, and the bug report was made more thant two months before release of Lubuntu 13.10! [14:17] brainwash, I don't know what they are thinking. It would be easy to modify lxlock as a workaround. [14:22] jarnos: sad story, hopefully there will be a happy ending [14:22] most users are not aware of this security issue :/ [14:26] brainwash, at least information about it was added (long after release) to release notes of Lubuntu 13.10, after I requested it. [14:27] brainwash, but that does not help people that installed Lubuntu 13.10 before that. [15:12] jarnos: this is exactly what light-locker fixes [15:12] i told the lubuntu guys long ago [15:12] bbl [15:26] ochosi: so bug 1264563 won't be fixed in lightdm [15:26] bug 1264563 in LightDM GTK+ Greeter "switch-to-greeter does not set lock hint" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1264563 [15:28] does the patch for lightdm-gtk-greeter break any functionality of the greeter? is it bad if the greeter checks for logged in users even on a fresh boot? [15:28] brainwash: yes, i read, it's fine i'll take care of the greeter soon [15:28] ok :) [16:29] bbl [16:58] ochosi, in some cases I have ended up with situation where all displays remain blanked even if I move mouse, when I use light-locker from daily PPA. [17:06] jarnos: did you try to switch to vt7 and back? [17:09] brainwash, yes, but it didn't help. I had to reboot. [17:10] so typing the password blindly did not work either? [17:11] light-locker does not blank the screen, lightdm-gtk-greeter tells the X server to do so [17:13] there might be error messages in your Xorg or lightdm log files [17:13] /var/log/lightdm [17:17] oi/ [17:17] brainwash, you mean ERROR? [17:26] brainwash, anyway, was using a laptop with (only) an external display enabled. [17:28] brainwash, I did not notice any ERROR messages in recent logs at /var/log/lightdm [17:36] jarnos: don't know what might cause this faulty behavior [17:38] at least create a bug report and attach the greeter log files and so on [17:39] the screen does not unblank after manual locking, right? [17:39] try to reproduce it by running "dm-tool lock" [18:04] brainwash, when I use it, it also blanks screen, doesn't respond to mouse, but Ctrl-Alt-F7 unlocks. [18:11] jarnos: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+filebug [18:11] :P [18:16] brainwash, maybe later, I am busy. [18:27] hi [18:28] is anybody here aware of anything special with regard to scrollbar theming on xubuntu? [18:28] I have an application of which scrollbars a differently themed on xubuntu than on ubuntu [18:28] and the application explicitly loads it's own clearlooks based theme [18:28] (special purpose app) [18:29] ubuntu/unity uses overlay scrollbars [18:30] special purpose app? sounds mysterious [18:31] hey pmjdebru2jn [18:31] there's nothing special happening really [18:31] our themes use murrine's gtk-scrollbar theming in gtk2 and the default engine in gtk3 [18:32] I know about the overlay stuff, but that's not what I meant [18:32] even with overlay scrollbars disabled, it looks like I'd expect on ubuntu [18:32] in xubuntu the scrollbars are recessed [18:32] if you need help and it should remain secret feel free to PM me with more specifics [18:33] app = darktable (for photography, so it has a dark neutral theme) [18:33] I guess I should upload some screenshots [18:34] yeah, that'd be helpful [18:35] but i can also install it and see what's going on [18:35] i suspect it's a problem of the combination of your rc-files in darktable and options we set in out themes [18:38] what version of darktable are we talking about and what would be the most straightforward way to get it in 13.10? [18:38] oh [18:38] sudo apt-add-repository ppa:pmjdebruijn/darktable-unstable :D [18:39] my ppas are the official project ppas :) [18:40] thought so :) [18:40] i presume we're talking gtk2? [18:41] yes [18:41] indeed [18:41] we mostly use clearlooks [18:41] gtk2-engines [18:41] the basic theme is a modified version from something from art.gnome.org, which someone else modified [18:41] and now I'm fiddling with it [18:41] :) [18:42] practically it's fine, but cosmetically it's a bit ugly on xubuntu now [18:45] yeah, but xubuntu doesn't have clearlooks installed by default [18:45] initially I though it was the shadow-type thing, but that's set to GTK_SHADOW_NONE [18:45] just for starters [18:45] ochosi: the package pulls in gtk2-engines [18:45] oh, you install it [18:45] yeah, just saw it [18:46] why not just modify the colors? [18:46] is it really necessary to modify the whole theme looks? [18:46] not per-se [18:46] well [18:46] then again [18:46] would make the looks of darktable more integrated [18:46] (is my first thought) [18:46] the more we leave to chance, the more can go wrong [18:46] ochosi: we don't want to look integrated [18:47] we have lots of custom widgets too [18:47] so by itself looking "integrated" really isn't a concern [18:47] it's basically just another vector for unexpected issues [18:47] right, i understand [18:48] so, i see the scrollbars now [18:48] what seems to be the issue? [18:48] or: how should they look? [18:50] there's an extra sunk in bevel around the scrollbars at the sides [18:51] when I do export LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 [18:51] they are not there on ubuntu [18:52] you do see what I mean right? [19:08] pmjdebru2jn: extra sunk bevel? you mean the scrollbar trough? [19:09] i guess i should load some pics in... [19:10] ochosi: the scrollbars are forced on at the sides [19:10] yeah, i see them there [19:11] they're a bit bulky [19:11] and there's no visible trough [19:11] do you have a screener of what it should look like? [19:12] let me make one [19:12] thanks [19:12] that'd be helpful [19:15] https://encrypted.pcode.nl/files/temp/dt-ubuntu.png [19:15] ok, the reason is simple [19:15] now that i see it :) [19:16] where is your rc file, then i can try to quickly patch it [19:17] /usr/share/darktable/darktable.gtkrc [19:22] pmjdebru2jn: this should fix your issue mostly: http://dpaste.com/1539527/ [19:22] there could be more to fix, but try that first and lemme know whether that's what you expected [19:23] ah cool, let me look [19:28] ochosi: I don't think that makes a difference over here [19:28] are you sure? [19:28] that's weird [19:29] insert at line 28 right? [19:29] well the line number doesn't matter really [19:29] those property are button related? [19:29] aren't they? [19:29] this is about overruling the theme deactivating the scrollbar steppers [19:29] cause that's all that really happens [19:30] if you use bluebird for example, that problem shouldn't occur [19:30] (just to quickly test) [19:30] or use albatross [19:30] those themes don't deactivate the steppers, so things should look normal [19:31] ah it's fine with albatross indeed [20:14] How about that, gtk2 indicator lands. [20:17] so now we only need the patched power manager and saucy will be ready for release :P [20:19] Unit193: do you plan to keep your Xfce PPA up-to-date? [20:19] xfwm4 + xfdesktop [20:19] brainwash: I don't see why not, but note that it's the tabwin branch, not xfwm/master. [20:21] yeah, your PPA is great for testing recent fixes and the seamless background transition [20:21] tabwin won't be ready for trusty, or? [20:23] It'd be ready, but perhaps not merged. [21:19] Just wondering, can't forestpiskie sponsor stuff for us because Community Council gives access to core-dev? [21:23] Not without major abuse of power. [21:24] He also won't because he doesn't touch voodoo. [21:25] night all [21:26] hey slickymaster [21:26] hey Noskcaj [21:27] So i'l in bug control now. [21:27] *i'm [21:27] great [21:27] but do you mean bug sqaud? [21:27] Now i just need one of the admins to actually put me in the team [21:28] bugcontrol = can set priority and target release [21:28] Noskcaj, isn't bug control a restricted team? [21:29] slickymaster, yeah [21:29] I applied yesterday and got the required number of +1s [21:29] that's great, we sure need some more members with those rights [21:32] Noskcaj, you can ping bdmurray on that [21:32] I don't have time now, but i will [21:32] great [22:15] can anyone verify that the proposed xfce4-terminal package works in saucy? bug 1206739 [22:15] bug 1206739 in xfce4-terminal (Ubuntu Saucy) "xfce4-terminal crashed with SIGSEGV in magazine_chain_pop_head()" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206739 [22:16] looks like the package is stuck in proposed since 2013-11-12