=== emma_ is now known as emma [01:38] It's -14F right now with a wind chill of -34F. Thats -25C and -39C [02:27] yikes, Darkwing [02:28] coldest I've ever experienced here was 4 degrees F [02:28] in Wyoming I think when we were there, it was -10, which is pretty cold === jono is now known as Guest91841 === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine [03:24] jussi: can't reproduce [04:20] !find dnssd/publicservice.h [04:20] File dnssd/publicservice.h found in kdelibs5-dev [04:22] shadeslayer: bug 1071787 might want an executive decision in addition to being moved around? :P [04:22] bug 1071787 in bluedevil (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu does not 'remember' that Bluetooth was switched off" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1071787 [04:37] it simply takes half a day to get through bug mails of a weekend -.- [05:00] ::runtime-bugs:: [1204182] setlocale.sh can break user-chosen locales and encodings @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1204182 (by Graeme Hewson) === SpeedRacer is now known as SonikkuAmerica [05:25] ::workspace-bugs:: [1265897] 14.04 Alpha-1 Plasma Netbook Interface has no Web Browser favorite @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1265897 (by Marco Parillo) === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger === OutOfControl is now known as benonsoftware === Tm_K is now known as Tm_T [07:34] ::workspace-bugs:: [1263441] Typo in dependency of plasma-desktop package @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1263441 (by Sergey Basalaev) [07:34] ::workspace-bugs:: [1265897] 14.04 Alpha-1 Plasma Netbook Interface has no Web Browser favorite @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1265897 (by Marco Parillo) === wgrant_ is now known as wgrant [08:40] good morning === greyback_ is now known as greyback [10:30] Riddell: sometimes kubuntu just freeze using 100% of cpu 13.10 [10:30] after some upgrade [10:30] before worked fine [10:33] after 1 sec it work fine again [10:33] works === vinay is now known as Guest70148 [11:04] Peace-: um, wibble [11:04] hard to debug that sort of problem [11:32] should I start a new kubuntu-ppa/frameworks PPA for kf5 packages? === vHanda_ is now known as vHanda [11:37] Riddell: should it not go into experimental? [11:38] mm yeah I guess it could [11:42] !newversion skanlite 1.1 [11:42] Riddell: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [11:42] hmm [11:42] kubotu: newversion skanlite 1.1 [11:42] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1266736 [11:42] good boy [11:43] ScottK: hey look what's just appeared https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdebindings/python/pykde5/repository [11:49] Mmm, I like that, though it looks quite empty for now [11:50] ScottK: give him a chance, he's only been working on it for 2 days and the libraries that he's binding aren't even released :) [11:50] mitya57: rather ↑ [11:51] :) [11:51] And yes, please push KF5 to experimental if possible, we have a much less broken Qt5 there than in Trusty [11:56] Good afternoon. [11:58] mitya57: which experimental are you talking about? I'm talking about kubuntu-ppa/experimental [11:59] Oh, of course about different ones :) [12:00] although it might well need the qt from the other experimental [12:00] Right, I think some of frameworks need 5.2 [12:01] But you can depend on canonical-qt-edgers PPA [12:02] Right, according to http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Building#Qt_5 it needs 5.2 [13:06] mitya57: Any idea when it's going to get updated? [13:06] mitya57: lots of PPAs to chose from, which one do I want? https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers [13:07] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta2/+packages [13:07] Riddell: I'd have thought Trusty would be updated by now. Possibly time to harass somebody. [13:07] ScottK: not before all FTBFS in that PPA are fixed... [13:09] List of packages that need to be built before Qt is updated is: http://pad.ubuntu.com/qt52-dependencies [13:20] Hiyas all [13:23] * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2014/01/07/frameworks-5-tech-preview-here [16:15] apachelogger: how come you decided not to use camel case for phonon4qt5 ? [16:16] Riddell: libphonon wasn't camelcased [16:17] apachelogger: mm, but why? [16:19] Riddell: because libphonon wasn't camelcased :P [16:19] libphonon.so vs. libPhonon.so vs. libphonon4qt5.so vs. libPhonon4Qt5.so [16:19] aah, that explains it [16:19] just wondering what to do with attica [16:19] what's the problem there? [16:20] needs to be renamed for qt5 version [16:20] wondering if I should camelcase it [16:20] ^ perhaps a sobump is more appropriate [16:20] naturally I'm inspired by the work of phonon [16:20] sobump still leaves it with overlapping -dev files [16:20] which many packagers dislike [16:20] that's why gnome stuff usually installs to /usr/include/foo-1 [16:26] hi sgclark [16:27] ahoneybun_: I think sgclark needs some direction on how to get into helping, do you have a project in the docs to do? [16:27] Riddell: hello [16:33] sorry update needs a reboot, I will be back shortly [16:36] sgclark: update go ok? [16:37] Riddell: so far so good [16:38] sgclark: have you scanned the trello todo list? [16:39] Riddell: not in awhile, will go take a look [16:42] Riddell: oh, about your mail to the list as well... either a distro should be able to specify a prefix (e.g. as we did with kdelibs ... includes to $prefix/include/kde4 rather than $prefix/include .. might not be too nice for frameworks) or the gnome way libfoo-1 again [16:42] I am reasonable certain expect for the prefix trick kdelibs5 also had include conflicts with kdelibs4 [16:51] apachelogger: is there anything in the neon packages I should be borrowing for the proper kf5 packages? === micahg_ is now known as micahg [16:52] Riddell: dependency information in lp:~neon/project-neon5/recipes may help [16:52] otherwise there isn't much neon5 is doing in general [17:01] Riddell: II am reviewing pages on userbase, unclear on how to pursue any of the other items sorry === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [19:39] and another new silly desktop entry from kdepim [19:39] lovely [19:58] Anyone on the docs team availabe? [20:01] hello [20:02] hello [20:02] I saw your trello posts [20:02] just about to reply [20:02] oh ok no problem, is that the correct place to ask questions? [20:02] yea [20:03] I'm thankful for the feedback [20:03] we all are [20:03] cool, I am fixing formatting links etc on the userbase [20:03] awesome [20:03] I have done alot of wiki work for KDE itself so I am aware of the way they like it for translations etc [20:04] ok first the USC can be installed but by default in the 13.10 release we use Muon Software Center [20:04] and in 14.04 Muon Discover is going to the default GUI software installer [20:04] ok, so I will rewrite to let them know they will need to install if they want [20:04] ok [20:04] great that you have that exp with the translations [20:05] that will be the next main goal [20:05] after everything is fixed up and checked in english [20:05] yeah, it is a slow process so I am adding the tags now so they will start [20:06] your fixing the tag? [20:06] s [20:06] I am adding as I review the pages, trust me , you want the translations to start ASAP [20:06] yes [20:07] I'm going to work on the catorgies [20:07] I fixed that [20:08] the KubuntuDoc13.10 catorgory is still there [20:09] oh right, one of my questions, do you agree? [20:09] Otherwise you will end up with a ton of duplicate info every release [20:09] yea maybe just KubuntuDoc, and Kubuntu catorgies? [20:10] I think Kubuntu is sufficient [20:10] Create a new page for release notes [20:14] subpage of Kubuntu? [20:15] btw did you post that screenshot on the welcome page [20:15] ? [20:15] I did, feel free to replace it, did not know if you have official screenshots [20:18] yea I just think having a vanilla one would be better so a new user would not wonder why theirs do not look alike but we can move it to the theme section of that page/ [20:18] sounds good. I can make a vanilla VM for screenies [20:20] sgclark: http://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Basic#Desktop_Customization [20:20] btw I am trying to download daily-live and I get a 404 [20:22] I don't know about that [20:23] looks good, I just centered the image [20:24] cool [20:37] hey SonikkuAmerica [20:37] Hello, what's up? [20:37] I'm still building the page. [20:38] the page [20:38] ? [20:39] Oh! I didn't tell you about your new one-page landing. [20:39] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/KubuntuLinks <<< What I have so far... [20:41] oh yea that [20:41] I heard it from valorie [20:41] looks great [20:44] apachelogger: transferring the db since 21:00, which means that all backlog from then until the new core is up will be lost [20:44] Ooh, SonikkuAmerica, that's cool. [20:44] SonikkuAmerica: Do you have the G+ link and all of that fun stuff? [20:44] I will have that stuff under Social [20:45] There's a @kubuntu twitter account, but there's nothing there. [20:48] I handle the Kubuntu Documentation page on G+ [20:48] I have a Kubuntu+ page on there as well [20:50] https://plus.google.com/b/112490706514003921722/ [20:55] Ummm... Kubuntu's Facebook page is in French? [20:55] https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kubuntu/534456569914164 [20:56] I'm sure agateau appreciates that [20:57] :) === Squt is now known as Sput === jalcine is now known as jacky [23:25] anyone available to point me to packaging help? As in a How-to? [23:26] hi sgclark [23:26] sgclark: This is an rather unfortunate hour I think since it's past midnight everywhere in Europe [23:26] well [23:26] and there comes shadeslayer [23:26] xD [23:26] no problem I can ask tomorrow [23:27] sgclark: First of all, you need tools [23:27] pbuilder is one of them [23:27] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment [23:27] I've had about ~80% of a bottle of wine [23:27] so don't trust me [23:27] but IIRC there's http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ [23:27] tools first [23:27] okie [23:27] Here is how to obtain a basic build environment for Kubuntu magic sgclark [23:28] * shadeslayer is going to head to bed in some time [23:28] sgclark: read that through and ask if you have any questions as for the set up [23:28] ok, will start there, thanks! [23:28] * shadeslayer goes back to fiddling with TURN ports [23:29] as for the tool itself, pbuilder is a tool that automates building packages in a clean environment using chroots [23:29] 100GB large enough? or do I need to increase the VM [23:29] sgclark: should be enough [23:29] whee, pbuilderrc is all blue [23:29] nah, 100GB should be fine [23:38] Quintasan: how goes uni [23:39] shadeslayer: fighting with scala [23:40] Quintasan: coming to FOSDEM? [23:40] when and where is it? [23:41] Brussels, 1-2nd Jan [23:41] http://fosdem.org/ [23:42] You mean February? [23:43] Yes, more like it [23:43] shadeslayer: Can we get monies from council or sth? [23:45] * shadeslayer rages [23:46] lol [23:47] stupid turn server )(*#&*^%#$ [23:50] k sleep [23:50] nini [23:50] laters shadeslayer [23:50] Quintasan: see you at FOSDEM [23:50] yofel: you're coming as well right [23:52] I didn't really intend to... [23:52] though maybe I should just go to take the LPIC1 exam for fun ^^ [23:52] ^^ [23:53] last I looked at the topics I knew like half of it.. [23:53] you could work in the kde booth with Riddell [23:53] tbh looks like it's outdated http://www.lpi.org/linux-certifications/programs/lpic-1/exam-101 [23:53] or the desktop dev room [23:54] * shadeslayer is going to oscillate between desktop dev and mozilla rooms [23:54] lots goes on at fosdem; I hope to go someday [23:54] and the KDE booth [23:54] shadeslayer: not as long as we're talking 'bout RHEL ;P [23:54] :D [23:55] * shadeslayer still has 2 gulps of wine left [23:55] did you see http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2014-January/020100.html ? [23:56] I have not [23:57] so... the RH based OS becomes more RH based or am I misunderstanding something...? [23:58] sounds like mostly they are moving infra [23:58] and some employees will work for redhat [23:58] ack [23:59] I wonder what that means for fedora [23:59] because I always viewed fedora as like a test ground for RH [23:59] *RHEL