[01:38] <Darkwing> It's -14F right now with a wind chill of -34F. Thats -25C and -39C
[02:27] <valorie> yikes, Darkwing
[02:28] <valorie> coldest I've ever experienced here was 4 degrees F
[02:28] <valorie> in Wyoming I think when we were there, it was -10, which is pretty cold
[03:24] <apachelogger> jussi: can't reproduce
[04:20] <apachelogger> !find dnssd/publicservice.h
[04:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bug 1071787 might want an executive decision in addition to being moved around? :P
[04:37] <apachelogger> it simply takes half a day to get through bug mails of a weekend -.-
[05:00] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1204182] setlocale.sh can break user-chosen locales and encodings @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1204182 (by Graeme Hewson)
[05:25] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1265897] 14.04 Alpha-1 Plasma Netbook Interface has no Web Browser favorite @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1265897 (by Marco Parillo)
[07:34] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1263441] Typo in dependency of plasma-desktop package @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1263441 (by Sergey Basalaev)
[07:34] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1265897] 14.04 Alpha-1 Plasma Netbook Interface has no Web Browser favorite @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1265897 (by Marco Parillo)
[08:40] <soee> good morning
[10:30] <Peace-> Riddell: sometimes kubuntu just freeze using 100% of cpu 13.10
[10:30] <Peace-> after some upgrade 
[10:30] <Peace-> before worked fine 
[10:33] <Peace-> after 1 sec it work fine again 
[10:33] <Peace-> works
[11:04] <Riddell> Peace-: um, wibble
[11:04] <Riddell> hard to debug that sort of problem
[11:32] <Riddell> should I start a new kubuntu-ppa/frameworks PPA for kf5 packages?
[11:37] <jussi> Riddell: should it not go into experimental? 
[11:38] <Riddell> mm yeah I guess it could
[11:42] <Riddell> !newversion skanlite 1.1
[11:42] <Riddell> hmm
[11:42] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion skanlite 1.1
[11:42] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1266736
[11:42] <Riddell> good boy
[11:43] <Riddell> ScottK: hey look what's just appeared https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdebindings/python/pykde5/repository
[11:49] <mitya57> Mmm, I like that, though it looks quite empty for now
[11:50] <Riddell> ScottK: give him a chance, he's only been working on it for 2 days and the libraries that he's binding aren't even released :)
[11:50] <Riddell> mitya57: rather ↑
[11:51] <mitya57> :)
[11:51] <mitya57> And yes, please push KF5 to experimental if possible, we have a much less broken Qt5 there than in Trusty
[11:56] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[11:58] <Riddell> mitya57: which experimental are you talking about? I'm talking about kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[11:59] <mitya57> Oh, of course about different ones :)
[12:00] <Riddell> although it might well need the qt from the other experimental
[12:00] <mitya57> Right, I think some of frameworks need 5.2
[12:01] <mitya57> But you can depend on canonical-qt-edgers PPA
[12:02] <mitya57> Right, according to http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Building#Qt_5 it needs 5.2
[13:06] <ScottK> mitya57: Any idea when it's going to get updated?
[13:06] <Riddell> mitya57: lots of PPAs to chose from, which one do I want? https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers
[13:07] <mitya57> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta2/+packages
[13:07] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd have thought Trusty would be updated by now.  Possibly time to harass somebody.
[13:07] <mitya57> ScottK: not before all FTBFS in that PPA are fixed...
[13:09] <mitya57> List of packages that need to be built before Qt is updated is: http://pad.ubuntu.com/qt52-dependencies
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:23]  * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2014/01/07/frameworks-5-tech-preview-here
[16:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: how come you decided not to use camel case for phonon4qt5 ?
[16:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: libphonon wasn't camelcased
[16:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: mm, but why?
[16:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: because libphonon wasn't camelcased :P
[16:19] <apachelogger> libphonon.so vs. libPhonon.so vs. libphonon4qt5.so vs. libPhonon4Qt5.so
[16:19] <Riddell> aah, that explains it
[16:19] <Riddell> just wondering what to do with attica
[16:19] <apachelogger> what's the problem there?
[16:20] <Riddell> needs to be renamed for qt5 version
[16:20] <Riddell> wondering if I should camelcase it
[16:20] <apachelogger> ^ perhaps a sobump is more appropriate
[16:20] <Riddell> naturally I'm inspired by the work of phonon
[16:20] <Riddell> sobump still leaves it with overlapping -dev files
[16:20] <Riddell> which many packagers dislike
[16:20] <apachelogger> that's why gnome stuff usually installs to /usr/include/foo-1
[16:26] <Riddell> hi sgclark 
[16:27] <Riddell> ahoneybun_: I think sgclark needs some direction on how to get into helping, do you have a project in the docs to do?
[16:27] <sgclark> Riddell: hello
[16:33] <sgclark> sorry update needs a reboot, I will be back shortly
[16:36] <Riddell> sgclark: update go ok?
[16:37] <sgclark> Riddell: so far so good
[16:38] <Riddell> sgclark: have you scanned the trello todo list?
[16:39] <sgclark> Riddell: not in awhile, will go take a look
[16:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, about your mail to the list as well... either a distro should be able to specify a prefix (e.g. as we did with kdelibs ... includes to $prefix/include/kde4 rather than $prefix/include .. might not be too nice for frameworks) or the gnome way libfoo-1 again
[16:42] <apachelogger> I am reasonable certain expect for the prefix trick kdelibs5 also had include conflicts with kdelibs4
[16:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: is there anything in the neon packages I should be borrowing for the proper kf5 packages?
[16:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: dependency information in lp:~neon/project-neon5/recipes may help
[16:52] <apachelogger> otherwise there isn't much neon5 is doing in general
[17:01] <sgclark> Riddell: II am reviewing pages on userbase, unclear on how to pursue any of the other items sorry
[19:39] <apachelogger> and another new silly desktop entry from kdepim
[19:39] <apachelogger> lovely
[19:58] <sgclark> Anyone on the docs team availabe?
[20:01] <ahoneybun_> hello
[20:02] <sgclark> hello
[20:02] <ahoneybun_> I saw your trello posts
[20:02] <ahoneybun_> just about to reply
[20:02] <sgclark> oh ok no problem, is that the correct place to ask questions?
[20:02] <ahoneybun_> yea
[20:03] <ahoneybun_> I'm thankful for the feedback
[20:03] <ahoneybun_> we all are
[20:03] <sgclark> cool, I am fixing formatting links etc on the userbase
[20:03] <ahoneybun_> awesome
[20:03] <sgclark> I have done alot of wiki work for KDE itself so I am aware of the way they like it for translations etc
[20:04] <ahoneybun_> ok first the USC can be installed but by default in the 13.10 release we use Muon Software Center
[20:04] <ahoneybun_> and in 14.04 Muon Discover is going to the default GUI software installer
[20:04] <sgclark> ok, so I will rewrite to let them know they will need to install if they want
[20:04] <sgclark> ok
[20:04] <ahoneybun_> great that you have that exp with the translations
[20:05] <ahoneybun_> that will be the next main goal 
[20:05] <ahoneybun_> after everything is fixed up and checked in english
[20:05] <sgclark> yeah, it is a slow process so I am adding the tags now so they will start
[20:06] <ahoneybun_> your fixing the tag?
[20:06] <ahoneybun_> s
[20:06] <sgclark> I am adding as I review the pages, trust me , you want the translations to start ASAP
[20:06] <sgclark> yes
[20:07] <ahoneybun_> I'm going to work on the catorgies
[20:07] <sgclark> I fixed that
[20:08] <ahoneybun_> the KubuntuDoc13.10 catorgory is still there
[20:09] <sgclark> oh right, one of my questions, do you agree?
[20:09] <sgclark> Otherwise you will end up with a ton of duplicate info every release
[20:09] <ahoneybun_> yea maybe just KubuntuDoc, and Kubuntu catorgies?
[20:10] <sgclark> I think Kubuntu is sufficient
[20:10] <sgclark> Create a new page for release notes
[20:14] <ahoneybun_> subpage of Kubuntu?
[20:15] <ahoneybun_> btw did you post that screenshot on the welcome page
[20:15] <ahoneybun_> ?
[20:15] <sgclark> I did, feel free to replace it, did not know if you have official screenshots
[20:18] <ahoneybun_> yea I just think having a vanilla one would be better so a new user would not wonder why theirs do not look alike but we can move it to the theme section of that page/
[20:18] <sgclark> sounds good. I can make a vanilla VM for screenies
[20:20] <ahoneybun_> sgclark: http://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Basic#Desktop_Customization
[20:20] <sgclark> btw I am trying to download daily-live and I get a 404
[20:22] <ahoneybun_> I don't know about that
[20:23] <sgclark> looks good, I just centered the image 
[20:24] <ahoneybun_> cool
[20:37] <ahoneybun_> hey SonikkuAmerica
[20:37] <SonikkuAmerica> Hello, what's up?
[20:37] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm still building the page.
[20:38] <ahoneybun_> the page
[20:38] <ahoneybun_> ?
[20:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh! I didn't tell you about your new one-page landing.
[20:39] <SonikkuAmerica> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/KubuntuLinks <<< What I have so far...
[20:41] <ahoneybun_> oh yea that
[20:41] <ahoneybun_> I heard it from valorie
[20:41] <ahoneybun_> looks great
[20:44] <Sput> apachelogger: transferring the db since 21:00, which means that all backlog from then until the new core is up will be lost
[20:44] <manchicken> Ooh, SonikkuAmerica, that's cool.
[20:44] <manchicken> SonikkuAmerica: Do you have the G+ link and all of that fun stuff?
[20:44] <SonikkuAmerica> I will have that stuff under Social
[20:45] <manchicken> There's a @kubuntu twitter account, but there's nothing there.
[20:48] <ahoneybun_> I handle the Kubuntu Documentation page on G+
[20:48] <ahoneybun_> I have a Kubuntu+ page on there as well
[20:50] <ahoneybun_> https://plus.google.com/b/112490706514003921722/
[20:55] <SonikkuAmerica> Ummm... Kubuntu's Facebook page is in French?
[20:55] <SonikkuAmerica> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kubuntu/534456569914164
[20:56] <shadeslayer> I'm sure agateau appreciates that
[20:57] <SonikkuAmerica> :)
[23:25] <sgclark> anyone available to point me to packaging help? As in a How-to?
[23:26] <shadeslayer> hi sgclark
[23:26] <Quintasan> sgclark: This is an rather unfortunate hour I think since it's past midnight everywhere in Europe
[23:26] <Quintasan> well
[23:26] <Quintasan> and there comes shadeslayer
[23:26] <Quintasan> xD
[23:26] <sgclark> no problem I can ask tomorrow
[23:27] <Quintasan> sgclark: First of all, you need tools
[23:27] <Quintasan> pbuilder is one of them
[23:27] <Quintasan> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[23:27] <shadeslayer> I've had about ~80% of a bottle of wine
[23:27] <shadeslayer> so don't trust me
[23:27] <shadeslayer> but IIRC there's http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/
[23:27] <Quintasan> tools first
[23:27] <shadeslayer> okie
[23:27] <Quintasan> Here is how to obtain a basic build environment for Kubuntu magic sgclark
[23:28]  * shadeslayer is going to head to bed in some time
[23:28] <Quintasan> sgclark: read that through and ask if you have any questions as for the set up
[23:28] <sgclark> ok, will start there, thanks!
[23:28]  * shadeslayer goes back to fiddling with TURN ports
[23:29] <Quintasan> as for the tool itself, pbuilder is a tool that automates building packages in a clean environment using chroots
[23:29] <sgclark> 100GB large enough? or do I need to increase the VM
[23:29] <shadeslayer> sgclark: should be enough
[23:29] <shadeslayer> whee, pbuilderrc is all blue
[23:29] <Quintasan> nah, 100GB should be fine
[23:38] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: how goes uni
[23:39] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: fighting with scala
[23:40] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: coming to FOSDEM?
[23:40] <Quintasan> when and where is it?
[23:41] <shadeslayer> Brussels, 1-2nd Jan
[23:41] <shadeslayer> http://fosdem.org/
[23:42] <Quintasan> You mean February?
[23:43] <Quintasan> Yes, more like it
[23:43] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Can we get monies from council or sth?
[23:45]  * shadeslayer rages
[23:46] <Quintasan> lol
[23:47] <shadeslayer> stupid turn server )(*#&*^%#$
[23:50] <shadeslayer> k sleep
[23:50] <yofel> nini
[23:50] <Quintasan> laters shadeslayer
[23:50] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: see you at FOSDEM
[23:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: you're coming as well right
[23:52] <yofel> I didn't really intend to...
[23:52] <yofel> though maybe I should just go to take the LPIC1 exam for fun ^^
[23:52] <shadeslayer> ^^
[23:53] <yofel> last I looked at the topics I knew like half of it..
[23:53] <valorie> you could work in the kde booth with Riddell
[23:53] <shadeslayer> tbh looks like it's outdated http://www.lpi.org/linux-certifications/programs/lpic-1/exam-101
[23:53] <valorie> or the desktop dev room
[23:54]  * shadeslayer is going to oscillate between desktop dev and mozilla rooms
[23:54] <valorie> lots goes on at fosdem; I hope to go someday
[23:54] <shadeslayer> and the KDE booth
[23:54] <yofel> shadeslayer: not as long as we're talking 'bout RHEL ;P
[23:54] <shadeslayer> :D
[23:55]  * shadeslayer still has 2 gulps of wine left
[23:55] <valorie> did you see http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2014-January/020100.html ?
[23:56] <shadeslayer> I have not
[23:57] <yofel> so... the RH based OS becomes more RH based or am I misunderstanding something...?
[23:58] <valorie> sounds like mostly they are moving infra
[23:58] <valorie> and some employees will work for redhat
[23:58] <yofel> ack
[23:59] <shadeslayer> I wonder what that means for fedora
[23:59] <shadeslayer> because I always viewed fedora as like a test ground for RH
[23:59] <shadeslayer> *RHEL