[05:03] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos wake up sleepy head
[05:03] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:19] <nuvolari> hmm, happy new year?
[05:19] <nuvolari> hallo oom Kilos 
[05:19] <Kilos> morning superfly nuvolari 
[05:19] <nuvolari> lo superfly, charl_ 
[05:19] <Kilos> als van die beste seun
[05:21] <nuvolari> dankie oom Kilos :) Mag oom ook 'n goeie 2014 hê
[05:21] <bduk1> Morning everyone
[05:21] <Kilos> baie dankie. jy het nou goed begin hier , nou moenie weer begin verdwyn nie
[05:21] <Kilos> hi bduk1 
[05:22] <bduk1> Hoe gaan dit vanmore?
[05:22] <Kilos> heel goed en daar?
[05:23] <nuvolari> oh hi bduk1 
[05:24] <nuvolari> Kilos: ek kan niks belowe nie oom :-/ moet alreeds werk inhaal :(
[05:24] <Kilos> grrrr
[05:24] <nuvolari> en ek kry nie my stoel se sit reg nie :-/
[05:25] <Kilos> ai!
[05:25] <nuvolari> iemand het rondgevoeter
[05:25] <nuvolari> en my muis voel nie dieselfde nie
[05:25] <nuvolari> en die internet is stadig
[05:25] <nuvolari> :O
[05:25] <Kilos> lol
[05:41] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[05:42] <Squirm> morning
[05:47] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[05:47] <nuvolari> oh hi kbmonkey_ 
[05:47] <nuvolari> happy new year
[05:48] <nuvolari> oh hi Squirm 
[05:48] <Kilos> nuvolari, didnt he netsplit by you as well
[05:48] <Kilos> * kbmonkey has quit (*.net *.split)
[05:52] <nuvolari> yeah, but he's still present with a stertjie
[05:52] <Kilos> oh ya
[05:52] <Kilos> but shows afk here
[05:52] <Squirm> hey there nuvolari
[05:56] <Kilos> more ddos today methinks
[05:57] <Kilos> what these kids need is not to be blocked but traced and locked up for a while to make them realise everything is a two way street
[06:02] <Kilos> instead of using their knowlege for good they cause havoc for others
[06:02] <Kilos> grrrr
[06:32] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning :)
[06:51] <Kilos> :)
[06:52] <Kilos> hi inetpro werk jou mengsel vir die spinnekop?
[07:07] <inetpro> goeie more oom, het nog nie weer gaan kyk nie
[07:08]  * inetpro is terug in die saal en dinge gaan maar rof
[07:09] <Vince-0> AARG!
[07:18] <Vince-0> check Jono is looking to get App Dev schools in the Locos: http://www.jonobacon.org/2014/01/06/ubuntu-loco-team-app-dev-schools-volunteers-needed/
[07:18] <inetpro> hi Vince-0
[07:20] <inetpro> oh and good morning to everyone else as well
[07:20] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:21] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:28] <Vince-0> surp
[07:50] <Kilos> wbb wanna try and see if the 2 x 1g ram cards still clash now that things are stable here
[08:03] <Kilos> amazing the diffs an extra 512m ram makes in speed
[08:04] <Kilos> only the bios seems the same
[08:16] <charl_> good morning
[08:16] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[08:16]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:16] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[08:16] <charl_> hi Vince-0, inetpro 
[08:16] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[08:17] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:17] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[08:17] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[08:17] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[08:17] <charl_> lol
[08:17] <Vince-0> charl! 
[08:18] <Vince-0> don't have any gosh darned milk in this gosh darned office 
[08:19] <Kilos> that sucks Vince-0 
[08:19] <Kilos> Maaz, with cremora
[08:19] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[08:19] <charl> you want to make a caffe latte?
[08:19] <Kilos> Maaz, and milk
[08:19] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[08:19] <charl> i only drink my coffee black and bitter, unless i take a cappuccino on the occasion
[08:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[08:20] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:20] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[08:20] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[08:20] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:20] <charl> our maid did his work again, even though he doesn't wear a cute maid outfit
[08:21] <Kilos> lol
[08:21] <charl> have you heard about the mcdonalds in taiwan?
[08:21] <charl> first they got their staff to wear maid outfits, then dress as schoolgirls, and the latest is nurses
[08:22] <Kilos> ai!
[08:23] <charl> one of my friends is in china right now, he sent me a picture of a bunch of maids somewhere in a shopping mall
[08:23] <charl> maids used to be a japanese thing but now it seems like it is getting popular all over asia
[09:00] <Kilos> we gotta make a plan and get more ubuntu women here
[09:01] <Kilos> they can come chat about recipes
[09:01] <Kilos> and geek things of course
[09:31] <Squirm> hey henkj_ 
[09:32] <henkj_> hey Squirm 
[09:34] <henkj> almost thought I'd lost my nickname
[09:35] <henkj> tried to identify and my password didn't work
[09:35] <henkj> many underscores in this channel actually
[09:36] <Kilos> ohi henkj 
[09:36] <henkj> hi Kilos 
[09:39] <henkj> are there still ubuntu things happening in cape town?
[09:40] <Kilos> well there might be a release party in april but i dunno if the guys down there have time anymore
[09:49] <Kilos> hi psyatw georgl 
[09:51] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[10:40] <charl> oh yes i see what i will be doing in february
[10:40] <charl> firstly: https://fosdem.org/2014/
[10:41] <charl> and then, perhaps secondly: http://cfgmgmtcamp.eu/
[10:41] <charl> hi psyatw 
[10:41] <charl> hi henkj 
[10:41] <psyatw> hi charl
[10:41] <henkj> hi charl
[10:41] <psyatw> hi henkj
[10:57] <charl> whow i can get to brussels cheaply over the weekend
[10:57] <charl> i pay about 20 euro to get to roosendaal en then another 30 euro to get to brussels and back
[10:58] <charl> so i can do the whole trip in under 50 euro
[10:58] <charl> although, if i take the earlier train, it will be a little more expensive, but probably worth it
[13:45] <charl> interesting, seems like they took the mandatory microsoft account registration out of windows 8.1
[14:29] <Kilos> hehe
[14:47] <nuvolari> :O amper huistoe-tyd
[15:41] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:44] <Kilos> Maaz, seen tumbleweed 
[15:44] <Maaz> Kilos: tumbleweed was last seen 14 days, 20 hours, 33 minutes and 40 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-12-23 21:11:01 SAST], and has been online on freenode since 2014-01-05 22:42:00 SAST
[15:45] <Kilos> goodness me
[17:55] <inetpro> Kilos: the wind probably swept him to some remote island
[17:55] <Kilos> lol
[17:55] <Kilos> ive already forgotten what i wanted to ask him
[17:56] <Kilos> ohi tumbleweed where are you?
[18:01] <Kilos> sigh late night again
[18:14] <tumbleweed> Kilos: home
[18:14] <tumbleweed> how are things?
[18:15] <Kilos> yay wb tumbleweed 
[18:15] <Kilos> we all good here ty
[18:15] <Kilos> happy new year
[18:15] <tumbleweed> you too
[18:15] <inetpro> wb tumbleweed
[18:15]  * tumbleweed scored food poisening for new year :/
[18:15] <Kilos> ouch
[18:15] <inetpro> eish!
[18:15] <tumbleweed> all over now
[18:15] <Kilos> what did you eat?
[18:16] <tumbleweed> a braai on new year's eve
[18:16] <Kilos> poisoning
[18:16] <tumbleweed> no idea what it was. could have been the wors
[18:16] <inetpro> chicken?
[18:16] <tumbleweed> nope, none
[18:16] <Kilos> wow food poisoning from a braai
[18:16] <inetpro> hmm
[18:16] <tumbleweed> I know :P
[18:17] <Kilos> maybe some of the pork fat in the wors was off
[18:17] <Kilos> dont buy wors from the same place again
[18:18] <tumbleweed> that was my local spar, but it had been in the fridge a couple of days
[18:19] <Kilos> well at least you over it now and learned a lesson
[18:19] <tumbleweed> :)
[18:20] <Kilos> was the trip a success?
[18:20] <Kilos> you were gone forever
[18:20] <tumbleweed> heh, just a month
[18:20] <tumbleweed> but I might move
[18:20] <Kilos> to where?
[18:21] <Kilos> then you gonna become like the crash kid and just look after a bot?
[18:21] <tumbleweed> san francisco
[18:22] <Kilos> well if thats where the money is then why not
[18:22] <Kilos> but dont start ignoring us hey.
[18:23] <Kilos> still working with ubuntu or not?
[18:23] <tumbleweed> the money is here two, but there are so many more thnigs there
[18:23] <tumbleweed> too
[18:23] <Kilos> like?
[18:25] <tumbleweed> so many more places to work
[18:25] <Kilos> aha well good luck with whatever you decide to do
[18:25] <tumbleweed> thanks
[18:26] <Kilos> and please dont forget us
[18:26] <charl> hmmm interesting
[18:26] <Kilos> just now there is only fly pro nuvo and i left
[18:26] <charl> i considered moving to silicon valley back in 2007
[18:26] <charl> but what kept me back is that silican valley is located in the US
[18:26] <charl> where you have no right to anything
[18:26] <charl> that's the only thing that stopped me
[18:27] <charl> hi nlsthzn 
[18:27] <nlsthzn> hello all
[18:27] <inetpro> good morning nlsthzn
[18:27] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn wb my man
[18:27]  * nlsthzn has the flu :'(
[18:27] <charl> hi inetpro 
[18:28] <nlsthzn> been in bed for most of the last three days
[18:28] <charl> morning ?!
[18:28] <inetpro> oh hi charl
[18:28] <Kilos> ouch
[18:28] <inetpro> charl: he just woke up from nowhere
[18:28] <charl> lol
[18:28] <nlsthzn> >.>
[18:28] <nlsthzn> so how has everyone been?
[18:29] <charl> i'm doing well
[18:29] <Kilos> we been good here ty
[18:29] <nlsthzn> awesome
[18:29] <tumbleweed> charl: yeah, I've resisted the US for a while
[18:29] <tumbleweed> but I think a change of scenery would suit me right now
[18:29] <charl> sometimes you need that
[18:29] <charl> just don't turn into a real american :P
[18:30] <charl> don't forget where you came from
[18:30] <tumbleweed> yeah, doubt I would
[18:31] <tumbleweed> it helps that america hates foreigners
[18:31] <nlsthzn> just when I was looking at other pastures I find that all of my certificates etc. have gone missing >.<
[18:31] <Kilos> oh my nlsthzn 
[18:31] <nlsthzn> was updating my CV and went looking for them and nothing...
[18:31] <charl> tumbleweed: ah that's good news
[18:31] <nlsthzn> not a single one left :/
[18:31] <Kilos> where were they nlsthzn ?
[18:32] <Kilos> how can they disappear
[18:32] <nlsthzn> in my PC room until a few months ago... I hope they didn't land in the wrong pile when spring cleaning some months ago
[18:32] <nlsthzn> that would sucl
[18:32] <nlsthzn> *suck
[18:32] <Kilos> ouch
[18:32] <Kilos> you must have records on the pc
[18:33] <inetpro> tumbleweed: did you notice our new meeting date?
[18:33] <inetpro> moved to Tuesdays
[18:34] <Kilos> oh ya you too nlsthzn 28th 
[18:34] <nlsthzn> I am sure I can re-apply for the most important ones... but that can take a long time to come 
[18:34] <nlsthzn> meeting the 28th?
[18:34] <Kilos> yes\
[18:34] <inetpro> every 4th Tuesday of the month
[18:36] <inetpro> and we have an interesting topic up for discussion 
[18:36] <Kilos> superfly, did you put your suggestion in the agenda?
[18:36] <inetpro>  The current state of Internet in South Africa by superfly
[18:36] <Kilos> oh sorry inetpro 
[18:36] <inetpro> Kilos: it's there
[18:36] <Kilos> ooyay
[18:37] <Kilos> also we gotta work a way to get more ubuntu women here
[18:37] <Kilos> i give up with the list peeps
[18:37] <nlsthzn> reading an interesting book where the author looks at the boom in africa going online via mobile at a rapid rate and how this is effecting africa ...
[18:37] <nlsthzn> awesome read
[18:38] <inetpro> nlsthzn: what book is that?
[18:39] <nlsthzn> http://hintjens.com/books Culture and Empire
[18:39] <nlsthzn> free ebook
[18:40] <nlsthzn> that isn't the main focus of the book but it touches on the subject 
[18:41] <nlsthzn> something you guys might enjoy to look through - https://github.com/vhf/free-programming-books/blob/master/free-programming-books.md
[18:41] <inetpro> nice
[18:48] <nlsthzn> that was odd
[18:50] <Kilos> nlsthzn has quit (*.net *.split)
[18:51] <nlsthzn> yup, thought as much :p
[18:51] <Kilos> been probs again last few days
[19:13] <Symmetria> sup
[19:13] <Kilos> temps
[19:14] <Kilos> you use joomla Symmetria ?
[19:14] <Symmetria> lol why is it that in kenya I managed to get cable internet installed in my house on the same day I ordered it with 20megabit uncapped unshaped for R1k ZAR a month complete with 98 tv channels
[19:14] <Symmetria> but I can't get the same in south africa 
[19:14] <Symmetria> (I put it in a temp solution while I wait for my fiber)
[19:14] <Kilos> slack in za
[19:14] <Symmetria> nope dont use joomla
[19:15] <Symmetria> heh, waiting for my fiber at home, they must hurry up but could take 3 weeks to get wayleaves
[19:15] <Kilos> have you an idea on how to get in if the passwd has been changed?
[19:15] <Kilos> there is no rush in za
[19:15] <Kilos> just mail the local bossman
[19:16] <Symmetria> kilos no idea
[19:16] <Symmetria> heh, dude, even if you get it installed in za
[19:16] <Symmetria> you're gonna pay more than double
[19:16] <Symmetria> 10meg uncapped in za if you include the price of phone line, dsl connection and isp account is more than a grand
[19:16] <Kilos> like hod of the govt there then they mail down the list and last oke moves
[19:16] <Symmetria> and doesnt ahve any tv channels on it or anything
[19:16] <Kilos> ouch
[19:17] <Kilos> join our meet on the 28th and give us bright ideas
[19:18] <Kilos> gonna be a za internet discussion
[19:18] <Symmetria> heh tomorrow I need to fix our latencies from uganda to south africa across the continent and then our gaming server will be pretty much ready to go :)
[19:18] <Symmetria> that will fix gaming al over the continent
[19:18] <Symmetria> and Ive got meetings tomorrow about buying mirror servers
[19:18] <Symmetria> mirror servers that make the old mirror.ac.za look like a joke
[19:19] <Symmetria> 256gig of ram, quad 8 core cpu, 200 terabytes of high speed equilogix disk space 
[19:19] <Kilos> wow
[19:20] <charl> when i was in kenya back in 2011 i also was really impressed
[19:20] <charl> the kenyans want to move forward, not like the south africans that just want to milk the last drop of blood from the telecoms industry
[19:20] <charl> i was shocked about how good the internet was in kenya compared to south africa at the time
[19:20] <Symmetria> heh charl we're launching a 100mbit to the home product shortly
[19:20] <charl> i went to kenya just coming from south africa back in august 2011
[19:21] <Symmetria> we'll also be launching a 20meg uncapped service for like 700 bux a month 
[19:21] <Symmetria> thats fiber to the home based
[19:21] <charl> 700 kenyan shillings?
[19:21] <Symmetria> nah rand 
[19:21] <charl> kenya works in rand?
[19:21] <Symmetria> nah I converted :)
[19:21] <Symmetria> lol
[19:21] <charl> 700 kenyan shillings is practically nothing
[19:21] <Symmetria> hehehe nah I did the conversion
[19:21] <charl> if i remember correctly at the time it was 100 shillings to the euro
[19:21] <Symmetria> its about 6000 ksh 
[19:21] <Symmetria> to 700 rand 
[19:22] <charl> ah, yeah that sounds more logical
[19:22] <charl> well if i look at what i am paying right now - 60 euro per month for a 150 mbps connection
[19:22] <charl> then kenya is not far behind
[19:22] <charl> although, i should say, i have high quality bandwidth with a very low ping, and it never goes down
[19:23] <charl> i have not seen it go down in more than 2 years
[19:23] <Symmetria> heh Im cheating and pulling in a point of presence into my house so I can serve my neighbors ;p
[19:23] <Symmetria> which gives me 2 x 10G fibers into my study ;p
[19:23]  * Symmetria laughs
[19:23] <charl> nice, why not
[19:23] <charl> a lot of people used to host stuff in their basements in the early years of the internet everywhere
[19:24] <charl> i have even seen photos from some closets in japan back in the early 90s
[19:24] <charl> back in 2004 i started working for an isp in south africa where we had fibre running into my office, i had a PoP standing right behind my desk
[19:24] <charl> at the time that was a big deal
[19:25] <Symmetria> heh my damn tv is busy updating its firmware off the internet and it must hurry up so I can go to bed, but its a ridiculously huge download the tv is doing
[19:25] <Symmetria> like 1.2 gig in tv firmware wtf 
[19:25] <nlsthzn> night all
[19:25] <charl> how is that even possible
[19:25] <Symmetria> thats larger than a ubuntu linux server cd 
[19:25] <charl> nlsthzn: have a good one!
[19:25] <charl> nlsthzn: and get better !!! :)
[19:25] <Symmetria> charl lol, these samsung smart tvs are well... pretty smart :)
[19:25] <nlsthzn> thx
[19:25] <charl> apparently :)
[19:26] <charl> i use my computer as a smart tv, i just connect a nice large external lcd/led edge lit screen
[19:26] <Symmetria> charl lol yeah but there is something about a 60" display that can stream stuff directly off plex servers and other things that rocks
[19:26] <charl> all of the tv i watch is iptv in any case, just play it with html5/flash/vlc
[19:26] <Symmetria> charl heh, plex server is what I use, with plex client installed on tv
[19:26] <Symmetria> plex > * 
[19:27] <charl> was just googling it now
[19:27] <charl> looks very nice
[19:27] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/temp/screens.jpg
[19:27] <Symmetria> you can see the tv there running plex
[19:28] <charl> heh nice setup
[19:28] <charl> although my neck would get strain with so many screens
[19:28] <Symmetria> heh was upgraded since I took that photo, I replaced the 2 left hand screens with the same ones that are on the right hand side
[19:28] <charl> i use two at the moment at work but the person from arbo warned me about it
[19:29] <Symmetria> those screens on the right in that photo are... very very very sweet 
[19:29] <Symmetria> charl lol, you use a swivel chair in a setup like that, you have to 
[19:29] <charl> they look extremely wide
[19:29] <Symmetria> the screens on the right are 29" 2560x1080p ultra-wide 
[19:29] <charl> what aspect ratio are they
[19:29] <charl> ah i see
[19:29] <Symmetria> they U2913WM's
[19:29] <Symmetria> made by Dell
[19:29] <Symmetria> pricey fuckers though
[19:29] <charl> lol
[19:30] <charl> i bet
[19:30] <Symmetria> but they make for an awesome awesome work environment when you need a TON of terminal windows open
[19:30] <charl> for NOC type stuff i can understand
[19:30] <Symmetria> by biggest complaint with that setup is sadly, because linux and nvidia keep fighting with each other, it wont work properly in linux 
[19:31] <charl> i like looking at NOC pictures, displays everywhere
[19:31] <Symmetria> linux nerfed the nvidia drivers so you can't do more than 3 screens
[19:31] <Symmetria> and linux pukes when it drives to boot that machine anyway because it doesnt know how to deal with the hardware in it 
[19:31] <charl> yeah i am stuck with intel HD due to that reason
[19:31] <Symmetria> (that machine has 2 GTX 790 Ti Video Cards in it)
[19:31] <Symmetria> both on 16x PCI-E bus 
[19:31] <charl> what irritates me is that all the new AMD laptops come with radeon graphics cards
[19:31] <Symmetria> heh, the graphics power int hat machine and the video encoding / decoding power is just SICK
[19:31] <charl> and that means AMD is out for me now, too
[19:32] <Symmetria> heh there is no card in the world though that outrun that 790 Ti
[19:32] <Symmetria> its SICK fast 
[19:32] <Symmetria> and to have two of them in the same machine is just awesome sauce 
[19:32] <Symmetria> I was gonna SLI them but chose not to 
[19:32] <charl> i mostly use my machines for internet/development and watching tv/films so i don't need anything crazy fortunately
[19:32] <charl> otherwise i would also be stuck on windows
[19:33] <Symmetria> heh I use my machine for a ton of things but a lot of the video power is because I remux video etc 
[19:33] <Symmetria> the reality is though, that in terms of video stuff, windows still has teh better apps
[19:33] <charl> yeah then you need it
[19:33] <Symmetria> adobe premiere and adobe after effects > * 
[19:34] <charl> you guys do stuff with voip too?
[19:34] <Symmetria> hell of a lot of sip stuff
[19:34] <charl> at work we are migrating to microsoft lync now (i would rather have had a fully standards-based asterisk setup)
[19:34] <Symmetria> both over ip networks and over dedicated sat links
[19:35] <Symmetria> heh yeah see, we dont generally play with the software stuff though, the stuff we're doing is carrier grade on hardware platforms
[19:35] <charl> i like how lync is integrated with microsoft exchange and the presence automatically updates according to your calendar
[19:35] <charl> but i'm not a big fan of proprietary lock-ins
[19:36] <charl> i am using instant messaging now with the pidgin sipe plugin but i still need to get a hardware network-phone this month
[19:36] <charl> there are no soft clients for lync that run on linux and works with voip
[19:36] <charl> so i have pidgin for instant messaging and a network phone for voip
[19:42] <Symmetria> wtf this stupid netgear cable modem at my house.... has french firmware
[19:42] <Symmetria> and no way that I can see to switch it to english
[19:42] <Symmetria> :( its gonna surrender and die 
[19:44] <charl> le revolution!
[19:44] <charl> i was in liege this past sunday, i just realise once again that i understand nothing of french
[19:48] <Symmetria> heh 
[19:48] <Symmetria> this is a speedtest.net server
[19:48] <Symmetria> from a box that is like, half a kilometer from my house 
[19:48] <Symmetria> connected to the same hub Im gonna be connected to
[19:49] <Symmetria> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3214916728
[19:49] <Symmetria> its being constrained though by the isp thats hosting that test server
[19:49] <charl> that's not bad, for kenya
[19:50] <charl> although, i find speedtest isn't very good at measuring high bandwidth links in any case
[19:50] <Symmetria> heh, well, it would go a shitload faster IF the server could handle it
[19:50] <Symmetria> and yeah speedtest.net sux for high bandwidth links
[19:50] <charl> i think flash might be part of the problem
[19:51] <charl> if i do a speed test from work (gigabit ethernet locally with a 40gbps connection to the rest of the world) i can get about 800mbps down and 600mbps up to amsio
[19:51] <charl> but that's using iperf
[19:52] <charl> against a VM with 10gbps virtual ethernet
[19:52] <Symmetria> speedtest.net also SUCKS testing high bandwidth over long latencies
[19:52] <Symmetria> I mean 
[19:52] <Symmetria> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3214925486
[19:52] <Symmetria> thats a neotel speed test from kenya
[19:53] <Symmetria> the upload speed figure is complete horseshit, I know how much bandwidth is there
[19:53] <charl> iperf is for real speed tests, gives a much more realistic indication
[19:53] <charl> speedtest is just for testing crappy consumer dsl connections
[19:53] <Symmetria> lol yeah
[19:54] <charl> it's ok for testing connections like this stupid home cable connection to ziggo
[19:54] <charl> but my city doesn't have ftth yet
[19:54] <charl> they are busy converting the region, i'm hoping for this year, then i'm off ziggo with their overpriced service
[19:55] <charl> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3214930293
[19:55] <charl> the worst thing about eurodocsis is that your upload speed is a tenth of your download
[19:57] <charl> this is what real internet looks like: http://www.breedbandarnhem.nl//thuis/snelheden
[19:57] <Symmetria> heh
[19:57] <Symmetria> anyway :) Im off to bed
[19:57] <Symmetria> gnight all
[19:57] <charl> have a good one
[19:57] <charl> i'm off too
[19:58] <Kilos> night
[20:13] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight