[00:15] <MangaKaDenza> oh right
[00:15] <MangaKaDenza> anybody here who knows the maintainers of the kubuntu image?
[00:15] <MangaKaDenza> I have a broken file to report
[00:17] <valorie> MangaKaDenza: ask in #kubuntu-devel
[00:20] <MangaKaDenza> actually it isn't broken anymore .-.
[00:22] <valorie> cool
[01:25] <dougl> where do you talk about 14.04?
[02:16] <tertu> could anybody help me with my archaic USB ethernet box? It causes kernel panics when I try to use it.
[02:57] <just_bob> howdy
[04:32] <pnunn> Has anyone managed to get bluetooth tethering to work with 13.10? It seems to have vanished all together from the bluethooth setup.
[04:43] <Jeffro_> How do I get to the ubuntu room
[04:44] <pnunn> #ubuntu
[04:46] <Jeffro_> Is anybody here?
[04:47] <pnunn> Yess Jeffro_
[04:47] <Jeffro_> Thanks man
[04:48] <Jeffro_> I was trying to install Kubunto on my laptop, but Startup Disk creator Will not work.
[04:48] <pnunn> What "Startup Disk creator"? What's on there now?
[04:50] <Jeffro_> I am using ubuntu 10.04 LTS.  I am having alot of problems with it.  Trying to use a USB mem stick a startup disk/
[04:52] <pnunn> OK, 10.04 is pretty old? Any reason for that?
[04:53] <Jeffro_> The directions say "Creating a bootable Ubuntu USB flash drive from Ubuntu  Install and run usb-creator" but it is for Kubuntu 13.10 which is what I am trying to install on my laptop.  When I try to create a usb start drive I get an error message saying "Operation Failed"
[04:54] <Jeffro_> my first Linux experiance.  It has, up till recently, fairly stable.
[04:55] <Jeffro_> I am a Linux, Ubuntu neophyte, just an enduser.
[04:55] <pnunn> OK, so your running 10,04 Ubuntu and you want to go to 13.10 kubuntu? Do you have a DVD drive?
[04:56] <Jeffro_> yes, but I do not have any blanks here at the moment.
[04:57] <Jeffro_> But I do have a blank 16Gib USB drive.
[04:59] <pnunn> Not sure if that works or not.. but.. was going to say, get a DVD, burn it and it will just work. Never had a lot of success with usb devices myself I have to say.
[04:59] <Jeffro_> BTW, I cannot upgrade ubunto to a newer version.  That's why I and trying to install kubuntu. That
[05:00] <Jeffro_> s what several users here recommended I do.
[05:03] <pnunn> kubuntu is good, its what I'm running.
[05:06] <Jeffro_> I am wanting to, but cannot get it installed.
[05:07] <pnunn> As I said.. I'd be getting a DVD. That way pretty much always works.
[05:07] <soee_> pnunn: and ust stick wont work for you ?
[05:08] <soee_> Jeffro_: ^
[05:09] <Jeffro_> soee, I cannot get startup creator to configure the me stick bootable
[05:12] <Jeffro_> #ubuntu
[09:04] <Torch_> where do i get taskset for 12.04 i can't find a package in the repos
[09:06] <valorie> !info taskset
[09:06] <valorie> pfff
[09:07] <valorie> Torch_: what is taskset?
[09:07] <Torch_> valorie: binds a process to a ginen cpu core
[09:07] <Torch_> valorie: makes lazily coded programs run
[09:07] <valorie> AVAILABILITY
[09:07] <valorie>        The taskset command  is  part  of  the  util-linux-ng  package  and  is
[09:07] <valorie>        available from ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux-ng/.
[09:07] <FloodBotK1> valorie: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:07] <valorie> from the ubuntu manpage
[09:08] <valorie> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man1/taskset.1.html
[09:08] <Torch_> oh, thank you
[09:08] <Torch_> going to install this package
[09:08] <valorie> cool
[09:09] <Torch_> E: Unable to locate package util-linux-ng
[09:09] <Torch_> *sob*
[09:11] <Torch_> ahh, wrong package name
[09:11] <Torch_> util-linux is already the newest version.
[09:11] <Torch_> *furhtersobs*
[09:12] <valorie> apt-cache search finds nothing either
[09:12] <lordievader> Torch_: What happens when you run "taskset --help"?
[09:12] <valorie> :(
[09:13] <Torch_> No command 'tasket' found, did you mean:
[09:13] <valorie> ha, that gets me output
[09:13] <Torch_>  Command 'basket' from package 'basket' (universe)
[09:13] <Torch_>  Command 'taskset' from package 'util-linux' (main)
[09:13] <lordievader> On this 14.04 install it is installed by default.
[09:13] <valorie> check your spelling
[09:13] <valorie> taskset
[09:14] <valorie> oh, basket, how do I miss thee
[09:14] <lordievader> Basket? What is that?
[09:15] <Torch_> wasn't that some stticky nots on desktop app for KDE3?
[09:15] <Torch_> s,nots,notes,
[09:16] <valorie> it was a note application, but not the stickies
[09:17] <valorie> I never found those useful
[09:17] <valorie> but basket WAS useful to me
[09:17] <valorie> until I lost all my notes, and was never able to recover 'em
[09:17] <Torch_> ouch
[09:18] <valorie> anyway, it never made it to kde4
[09:18] <valorie> the devel got a family instead of an application
[09:18] <valorie> and no one ever picked it up
[09:18] <valorie> sadness
[09:36] <pnunn> valorie: I agree with you. I used Basket for quite a number of years too.
[09:36] <valorie> we even had a GSoC student who wanted to work on finishing the porting
[09:37] <valorie> but there was no mentor to be found
[09:40] <foka> Hello!  Is Howard Chan (smartboyhw) around?  I saw that he would like to revive zh_HK in KDE http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-i18n-doc&m=137311277131368&w=1 and would like to get in touch with him.
[09:41] <foka> (But it appears that his account on Launchpad is deactivated?)
[09:41] <foka> Thanks for your help!
[09:43] <valorie> foka: he's focussing on his studies right now
[09:43] <lordievader> foka: Last I heard was that he wanted to spend more time on school/study.
[09:44] <valorie> but he might still have his g+ or blog?
[09:46] <foka> valorie and lordievader, thank you very much for your help.  That makes sense, supposing he is in Form 3 in secondary school in Hong Kong.
[09:47] <valorie> I think he's still interested
[09:47] <valorie> but just extremely busy
[09:47] <valorie> and focused
[09:51] <foka> Yes, Howard does seem like a very focused and dedicated person, seeing how he became a Kubuntu developer at such a young age, and how you speak highly of him.  I suppose competition in Hong Kong's education is really cut-throat these days, perhaps much more so than when I was in school in Hong Kong.
[09:51] <Spellanser> Hello everyone. I have some trouble with kubuntu install. I cant start installing system from livecd, only kubuntu logo on screen 30 min.
[09:52] <valorie> Spellanser: did you verify the iso after burning?
[09:54] <valorie> foka: we were his second desktop too!
[09:54] <valorie> he was already working on Ubuntu Studio before he came over to Kubuntu as well
[09:54] <valorie> what a great kid
[09:54] <lordievader> smartboy was the release manager for Ubu Studio, wasn't he?
[09:55] <valorie> not sure what his job was
[10:38] <opi99> Heyho
[10:48] <opi99> shadeslayer: Hi, I updated my Kubuntu 13.10 to the 'KDE Backports' PPA which have the newer KDevelop 4.6.0, which do you uploaded to the PPA, but it crashes on application start: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=329717 ... Do you have any help on this?
[10:52] <shadeslayer> opi99: I'll have a look in some time
[11:01] <opi99> shadeslayer: Ok thx ... as I understand documentationProviders seems to be null ... so something is missing ... but I'm PHP and no C++ developer ;)
[11:03] <shadeslayer> opi99: try running kbuildsycoca4
[11:03] <shadeslayer> and then running kdevelop
[11:10] <opi99> shadeslayer: This doesn't change anything
[11:10] <shadeslayer> ack, worth a try ...
[11:11] <opi99> Yes :)
[11:12] <yossarianuk> is kubuntu compatible with a  l2tp/ipsec PSK VPN client
[11:13] <yossarianuk> I have tried opensuse/fedora20 none seem to work out the box
[11:13] <yossarianuk> i.e the gnome/kde clients do not work
[11:40] <opi99> shadeslayer: Ok, with kdebugdialog I got more information (and also got the missing backtrace line) ... it was an old self compiled plugin which crashed. :-(
[11:41] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:41] <shadeslayer> yossarianuk: try it from the livecd to check?
[11:42] <shadeslayer> usually if the KDE client doesn't work it'd mean that it's a bug in KDE
[11:42] <shadeslayer> and is not distro specific
[11:55] <shadeslayer> opi99: plz close the bug report as well
[11:59] <opi99> shadeslayer: I don't think the bug report should be closed, as the problem persists. KDevelop crashes couse of malfunction plugins.
[12:03] <shadeslayer> k
[12:03] <shadeslayer> but then if the plugin is doing evil things, then kdevelop will crash anyway right?
[12:04] <opi99> shadeslayer: If KDevelop doesn't handle it correctly ... yes
[12:39] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:19] <dougl> BluesKaj, good morning...
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Hi dougl
[13:24] <dougl> how are you today?
[13:24] <BluesKaj> ok , and you ?
[13:26] <dougl> well you knolw me... install 14.04 and messed up my grub and my plymouth on my 13.10 install... but the good news is they both boot...
[13:27] <dougl> no plymouth yet in  14.04 so I am a bit disappointed but it ships with firefox = about time.
[13:27] <BluesKaj> there's a big update on 14.04 today, that causes boot problem , but running the recovery mode fixes it
[13:28] <dougl> nice to know = thanks for the info... was it today or last night... last night's update was alot I thot... cant wait to see what comes down the pipe today
[13:29] <BluesKaj> ssh'd into the trusty partition on the htpc ,and it looks like I'll have to run it there as well
[13:30] <dougl> ssh all you got for the tv = no keyboard?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> wireless KB and mouse fro my easy chair
[13:30] <BluesKaj> from
[13:31] <BluesKaj> lazy
[13:32] <dougl> BluesKaj, ok... same here... just a little crappy one the size of a remote with a track pad - got it somewhere off the net for 50 bucks but saves alot of head ache when it comes to logging int netflix.
[13:33] <BluesKaj> the HTPC ued to be my main computer , til I got this laptop, ssh is easy to update and upgrade from here rather than hauling out the KB , mouse and turning on the TV and switching inputs
[13:35] <BluesKaj> netflix not my cuppa tea , didn't find anything there that I wanted to watch
[13:35] <dougl> So... err... um... what are the chances you'd be interested in explaining what I am missing with my grub config... and I think plymouth will fix itself once I figer out grub (plymouth's aspect ratio is messed but works - wrong resolution tho)
[13:36] <dougl> ssh is the way to go... and netflix and xbmc is good for us - apple tv for netflix and the raspberry pi for xbmc
[13:36] <BluesKaj> dougl, pastebin your /etc/default/grub file so we can have a look
[13:36] <jacky> http://paste.kde.org  :)
[13:37] <dougl> /etc/default/grub
[13:37] <dougl> lol
[13:37] <dougl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6714824/
[13:38] <BluesKaj> is that all ?
[13:39] <dougl> I have another link ... but that is all for that one... sec
[13:39] <BluesKaj> here's mine , http://pastebin.kde.org/pd93c096a
[13:40] <BluesKaj> BB in 5 mins
[13:40] <dougl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6711948/ is the one from the repaired 14.04 install
[13:49] <dougl> BluesKaj, if this ain't no fun now - lets chat about it another time?
[13:54] <BluesKaj> dougl, the question is if your grub menu is readable then that's really all that counts , putting it ina high res like 1920x1080 makes the fon very small in my experience
[13:54] <BluesKaj> font
[13:55] <BluesKaj> i used 800x600 in the grub menu when the tv was the monitor
[13:56] <dougl> yeah - it never did do 1920x1080 it was 640x480 and that was fine but there was a background on the menu adn the plymouth animation was 1920x1080 and that is controlled by grub but I dont know how... did you check out my boot repair logs?
[13:57] <dougl> ...on the grub menu and plymouth andimation...
[13:57] <dougl> sheesh... my fingers are not doing what they are told.
[13:58] <dougl> I was trying high res so plymouth would behave
[13:59] <dougl> BluesKaj, did you see http://paste.ubuntu.com/6711948/ ?
[13:59] <dougl> that's a mess of info
[14:01] <dougl> out of ingnorance and desperation I want to delete that windows boot partition but I am afraid it will bugger configs that rely on linux being on sda2
[14:03] <BluesKaj> dougl, how's your login page res-wise, i don.t mean to be dismissive but the grub menu and the login page a re most important in my view, plymouth etc are just window dressing
[14:04] <BluesKaj> dougl, if it ain't broke, don't fix it :)
[14:05] <dougl> BluesKaj, auto login buit after plymouth splash everything goes back to good... you are right it is perfectly functional... just missing a bit of eyecandy but that is what I like - lol
[14:05] <BluesKaj> your windows boot is exactly correct , the mbr is fine
[14:06]  * dougl pitches a fit and gets sent to corner by BluesKaj  - "you cant have your eye candy and eat it too"
[14:07] <dougl> I don't run windows = not installed
[14:08] <BluesKaj> yes the mbr is used by grub, that's where it installs by default
[14:08] <dougl> that first grub config is not what is applied to my grub tho... can you humor me a bit and let me get to 14.04 err wait I have it mounted will show you 1404 grub
[14:09] <BluesKaj> if you had windows that's where the windows boot would install and wipe out grub , then another boot-repair run would be requiered
[14:11] <BluesKaj> have you run sudo update-grub since installing 14.04>
[14:13] <dougl> have you run sudo update-grub since installing 14.04> I am sure I did
[14:15] <dougl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6714983/ is what is applied to current grub
[14:16] <dougl> knew I shouldn't have let 14.04 mess with 13.10 drive
[14:17] <BluesKaj> i still have grub installed on the W7 HDD mbr (a totally separate hard drive from the main HDD with kubuntu installs) , since it has to be first in the boot sequence , and ait all works fine
[14:19] <BluesKaj> i always use manual partitioning with the <ubiquity installer , even after setting up the partitions with gparted ahead of time.
[14:20] <BluesKaj> does your grub menu show 14.04 ?
[14:28] <dougl> BluesKaj, oh yeah - everything works except the eye candy :)
[14:28] <dougl> eyecandy
[14:28] <dougl> Eyecandy
[14:29] <dougl> EYECANDY
[14:29] <dougl> EYECANDY!
[14:29] <dougl> lol
[14:29] <FloodBotK1> dougl: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:29] <dougl> lmao
[14:29] <BluesKaj> window dressing
[14:29] <dougl> yep
[14:29] <dougl> and no worries just thot I chat you up a bit and get another perspective
[14:30] <dougl> err... has nothing to do with enjoying your company and patience :)
[14:31] <dougl> gee FloodBotK1 has no sense of humor
[14:31] <BluesKaj> no , but i was concerned about your autologin choice, not good practice on a devel OS in case stuff breaks at boot, then you casn stuck in limbo
[14:31] <BluesKaj> can be
[14:31] <dougl> BluesKaj, good to know will change it up
[14:32] <BluesKaj> well it happened to me :)
[14:32] <dougl> and this is why we stick together
[14:32] <dougl> :)
[14:53] <binali> Hi People)
[14:56] <binali> Can you help me?
[15:02] <dougl> BluesKaj, you still here - I just bricked my box again I cant even get into the bios after deleteing an efi partition any suggestions?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> efi partition?
[15:14] <yossarianuk> dougl: deleting a efi partition will make no difference to your bios
[15:14] <yossarianuk> you can take you HDD out and still get to your bios...
[15:17] <BluesKaj> efi isn't a partition , it's the replacement fot thr bios on machines since 2010
[15:17] <BluesKaj> for the bios
[15:18] <BluesKaj> partitions are still ext or ntfs etc
[15:18] <Guest68168> hello all can you please help me with equalizer on kde? pulse. i've tried pulseaudio-eq but he have some troubles
[15:18] <Guest68168> want try another packet
[15:20] <Guest68168> or maybe i can setting up pulse? but i don't know where in pulse eq...
[15:20] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: you do get efi partitions also...
[15:20] <yossarianuk> (they are really fat32...)
[15:22] <yossarianuk> i.e - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_System_partition
[15:23] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, he doesn't have any windows OSs installed
[15:23] <yossarianuk> i know - nor do I - but a have an EFI partition....
[15:24] <yossarianuk> gdisk shows it as code : EF00
[15:24] <yossarianuk> parted shows as fat32...
[15:25] <yossarianuk> you need to mount that as /boot/efi in order to boot ...
[15:26] <yossarianuk> the debian/ubuntu, etc installer sets it up for you nowadays...
[15:26] <yossarianuk> (I set mine up manually via arch linux install disk.)
[15:27] <BluesKaj> that's boot partition which should be removed in a lot of cases if you want to install linux without any hassles, so i used legacy mode
[15:27] <yossarianuk> ie - MBR?
[15:28] <yossarianuk> (and bios boot partition)
[15:30] <yossarianuk> When I first tried UEFI it was a nightmare - its now pretty usable with modern distros/nvidia drivers, etc
[15:30] <yossarianuk> (nvidia drivers did have issues a while ago with some UEFI setups..)
[15:30] <yossarianuk> The main bonus though is protection against cold boot attacks...
[15:31] <yossarianuk> SteamOS also requires UEFI (the 'offical' beta does)
[15:31] <BluesKaj> well. legacy mode works here , without ant efi boot
[15:31] <BluesKaj> any
[15:32] <yossarianuk> yes - I originally went back - then I thought that UEFI is the future so may as well get used to it...
[15:32]  * BluesKaj shrugs , not a gamer :)
[15:33] <yossarianuk> Kubuntu 13.10 .iso is still broken for UEFI installs unless you have networking during install....
[15:33] <yossarianuk> (i,e  you need to run updates whilst installing or you will have an unbootable system...)
[15:33] <yossarianuk> Should have re-mastered the iso IMO)...
[15:34] <yossarianuk> i.e - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1242417
[15:34] <BluesKaj> managed to install 14.04 and W7 using the uefi legacy mode
[15:35] <yossarianuk> its fixed in 14.04...
[15:35] <yossarianuk> Also if your using legacy it means you not using UEFI..
[15:35] <yossarianuk> your using GPT.
[15:35] <BluesKaj> right
[15:35] <yossarianuk> GPT is the main bonus...
[15:36] <yossarianuk> UEFI does seem to be an enormous amount of hassle...
[15:36] <BluesKaj> but i had to make the distinction since it's not really the bios any more
[15:36] <BluesKaj> pita
[15:37] <yossarianuk> that's true ... Can you use something similar in Winblows - i.e  GPT without EFI?
[15:37] <yossarianuk> (not that I care about windows...)
[15:40] <yossarianuk> I was in the verge or re-setting back to legacy+bios boot (system has never been quite as stable with UEFI..) but then SteamOS happened...
[15:41] <yossarianuk> Also rEFInd is a really lovely boot loader.....
[15:41] <yossarianuk> sorry - boot manager.
[15:43] <BluesKaj> in my case i had 6 bloody partitions withW8.1 when i bought this laptop , so I had to repartition the drive anyway and the legacy mode was the only method that worked
[15:44] <BluesKaj> to install any OS
[15:47] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: Ah were you ptentially trying to install a 32bit os?
[15:47] <yossarianuk> *potentially*
[15:47] <BluesKaj> nope, W7 and kubuntu 14.04 64bit
[15:48] <yossarianuk> w8 not too your liking then ?
[15:48] <yossarianuk> (that was a  joke....)
[15:48] <BluesKaj> 14.04 nvidia graphics are acting up with the latest kernel upgrade on my desktop pc
[15:49] <yossarianuk> not tried it yet...
[15:49] <yossarianuk> Although latest kernel + nvidia driver are fine in Arch linux...
[15:49] <yossarianuk> (now arch linux and UEFI - that is a head fuck to install...)
[15:50] <BluesKaj> can't get 1920x1080 reolution with the 331 or 304 drivers , haven't tried any others yet
[15:50] <yossarianuk> but after installing arch linux I now (semi) understand how the UEFI boot process works.
[15:51] <yossarianuk> running - 331.20 + kernel 3.12.something....
[15:51] <BluesKaj> 3.13 kernel here
[15:52] <yossarianuk> ah - that's likely to be the issue...
[15:53] <yossarianuk> i'm sure the next nvidia release wll sort it.
[15:53] <BluesKaj> yeah the kernel modules aren't up to it
[15:53] <yossarianuk> you mean the free nouveau one  - like a loss of 60% fps...
[15:54] <BluesKaj> haven't tried nouveau yet , dunnom if it's even available
[15:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> um, isn't nouveau always available? XD It is the xorg driver for nvidia.
[15:56] <BluesKaj> usually
[15:57] <BluesKaj> i haven't checked , running 13.10 atm ...i'll reboot into 14.04 when I'm finished upgrading
[15:58] <yossarianuk> if you install the binary nvidia driver is prevents nouveau running.
[15:58] <yossarianuk> (blacklists it)
[15:58] <BluesKaj> yeah I'm aware
[16:07] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:52] <BluesKaj> erikson43
[16:53] <BluesKaj> not here
[17:48] <apb1963> is it safe to remove pulse audio?
[17:51] <lordievader> apb1963: If you have faith Alsa will work for you. Yes. Personally I wouldn't do it.
[17:53] <apb1963> lordievader: right now pulseaudio is taking 15% of my cpu, and making my voip calls "warble".
[17:54] <lordievader> apb1963: If you let it resample, it will consume a lot more. Is 15% that big of a deal?
[17:55] <apb1963> lordievader: I don't know what you mean by 'resample' or why I'd want it to consume more, but yes 15% is huge.
[17:56] <apb1963> lordievader: ever used a cell phone that broke up sound every other second?  That's what "warbling" sort of sounds like.
[17:57] <apb1963> lordievader: it makes the call comletely useless
[17:57] <lordievader> apb1963: Resampling means converting something from 44kHz to 48Khz (or something). Anyhow this might help you: http://linux.die.net/man/5/pulse-daemon.conf
[17:57] <apb1963> lordievader: right now I'm looking at disabling it
[17:58] <lordievader> apb1963: It should be possible. Though I don't recommend it.
[18:00] <apb1963> lordievader: and what would you recommend?
[18:02] <lordievader> apb1963: Sticking with PA. Googleing for similair problems and seeing if they have fixed it.
[18:02] <apb1963> lordievader: The fix that seemed to work for most people was removing pulseaudio
[18:04] <lordievader> apb1963: Bypassing PA is not an option?
[18:04] <apb1963> lordievader: if by bypassing you mean disabling, that's what I'm attempting to do now
[18:06] <lordievader> apb1963: No, you are talking about removing. I'm talking about bypassing. Can your voip program talk to Alsa directly.
[18:09] <apb1963> lordievader: again, I'm talking about disabling... not removing.  There's a difference.  The softphone is in fact set to use ALSA.  I don't know why pulseaudio is interfering with it.
[18:09] <apb1963> lordievader: in fact, that's an interesting test I could try had I not already disabled pa while we were talking.
[18:11] <lordievader> apb1963: Configure PA not to respawn when killed. Kill PA. Use voip with Alsa and see if it still has the problem.
[18:11] <apb1963> lordievader: exactly what I did
[18:12] <apb1963> lordievader: and now i get no sound at all
[18:14] <lordievader> apb1963: Does alsa function properly? You can check with aplay (supports only wav, for as far as I know).
[18:14] <BluesKaj> apb1963, after removing -purging pulseaudio, reboot and then in the terminal run, alsactl init
[18:15] <apb1963> lordievader: aplay works
[18:15] <apb1963> BluesKaj: have not removed it, only disabled it
[18:16] <apb1963> lordievader: i'll try restarting the softphone
[18:16] <BluesKaj> alsactl init restarts alsa , if you only disabled pulse you won't have any audio , you need to purge it
[18:18] <apb1963> lordievader: restarting softphone did the trick.  Sound is back, no more warble.
[18:19] <apb1963> thank you :)
[18:19] <BluesKaj> apb1963, I'm running with out pulse due to the intel driver working with alsa and flash audio on websites, some versions of the hda driver need pulse for some reason , <i haven't figured that one out yet
[18:19] <lordievader> apb1963: So now it is using alsa? Still you got PA installed right, or did you purge it?
[18:20] <apb1963> lordievader: still installed... but killed.. no respawn
[18:20] <lordievader> apb1963: Ok, well this is a workaround. Not very clean. But hey, if it works...
[18:22] <apb1963> lordievader: I can remove it at any time....  and may do so since I'm not sure why I need it....  I've had nothing but problems with it.
[18:22] <apb1963> BluesKaj: no idea
[18:23] <BluesKaj> pulse isn't really required in some cases, and in others one can play mostly any audio files without it, website audio that uses flash sometimes will require pulse for reasons that ares till a mystery to me
[18:24] <apb1963> BluesKaj: I guess i'll cross that bridge when I come to it.  If hulu and youtube work, that's 90% of what I need.
[18:24] <BluesKaj> on our 2 amd pcs we need pulse for webaudio, this laptop intel cpu and intel audio driver don't
[18:25] <apb1963> BluesKaj: this is a Dell... it uses Intel
[18:26] <BluesKaj> apb1963, then experiment without pulse , if it won't play flash audio like youtube, then you can always enable or reinstall
[18:27] <apb1963> BluesKaj: exactly.  However up until now I thought I was in fact using only alsa... not sure how or why pulse got into the picture.
[18:27] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio is installed by default , apb1963
[18:27] <apb1963> oh ok
[18:28] <apb1963> but again... softphone is configured to use alsa... so I don't know why pulse would stick it's nose in the middle.
[18:28] <apb1963> quite possibly the reason for the warbling... the two may have been fighting with each other.
[18:29] <BluesKaj> no apb1963 , pulse runs as a sound server layer on top of alsa
[18:29] <BluesKaj> most users don't even know it's there
[18:30] <apb1963> BluesKaj: well, I don't know... all I know is that my sound sucked until I removed it... and 99% of the posts I've seen on google say the same.
[18:30] <BluesKaj> what's your audio chip , apb1963?
[18:31] <BluesKaj> alsamixer shows it in the top left
[18:31] <apb1963> Analog Devices AD1980
[18:33] <BluesKaj> ok and the card?
[18:34] <apb1963> Intel ICH6
[18:36] <BluesKaj> ok , for safety's sake run , sudo modprobe snd-ad1980 , if there's no output the driver will have loaded correctly
[18:37] <ctin> hello! help please
[18:37] <ctin> can not launch any application
[18:37] <ctin> example:
[18:38] <ctin> ctin@ctin-kubuntu-PC:~/Qt/Tools/QtCreator/bin$ ./qtcreator.sh
[18:38] <ctin> QOpenGLShader: could not create shader
[18:38] <ctin> yesterday all works fine
[18:38] <apb1963> BluesKaj: considering that things actually work now, I'm kind of nervous about running that command
[18:38] <BluesKaj> don't be apb1963 , it just loads the driver
[18:39] <apb1963> BluesKaj: exactly.  And that's what has me nervous
[18:39] <BluesKaj> ctin, try a different app
[18:39] <ctin> BluesKaj: .wine/drive_c/Games/Diablo 2$ err:winediag:X11DRV_WineGL_InitOpenglInfo Direct rendering is disabled, most likely your OpenGL drivers haven't been installed correctly (using GL renderer "AMD Radeon HD 6700 Series ", version "1.4 (2.1 (4.2.12217 Compatibility Profile Context 12.104))").
[18:39] <ctin> err:dbghelp_msc:pe_load_debug_directory Got a page fault while loading symbols
[18:40] <ctin> any app crashes instantly
[18:41] <BluesKaj> ctin, just i wine or ?
[18:41] <BluesKaj> in
[18:41] <ctin> BluesKaj: about a half of my applications
[18:41] <apb1963> thanks for the help guys, I'm going to leave well enough alone for now.
[18:42] <BluesKaj> apb1963, why would loading the correct driver make you nervous
[18:42] <apb1963> BluesKaj: because if it ain't broke, don't fix it :)
[18:43]  * BluesKaj shrugs ..okaaaay
[18:44] <apb1963> BluesKaj: I have sound.  I can make calls.  I'm happy.  When I have time to test hulu and friends I'll worry about alsa if I don't get sound at that point.  Right now I have to deal with other stuff.  I appreciate your efforts.
[18:44] <apb1963> s/alsa/pa
[18:44] <BluesKaj> apb1963, ok , have fun
[18:44] <apb1963> thanks :)
[18:47] <BluesKaj> ctin, have you updated upgraded lately ?
[18:48] <ctin> BluesKaj: yes, i have
[18:48] <BluesKaj> dist-upgrade?
[18:48] <ctin> yap!
[18:49] <apb1963> dammit
[18:49] <apb1963> I just tried a call and they're hearing a delay.
[18:49] <ctin> BluesKaj: does kubuntu contain app like "fixit"
[18:49] <ctin> ?
[18:51] <BluesKaj> ctin, there's the recovery kernel in grub, that brings up repair broken packages dialog, which can work sometimes
[18:52] <BluesKaj> ctin, also look in /var/log/syslog for erors that can give clues to wahat's going wrong
[18:53] <ctin> grub says: Error 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting
[18:54] <ctin> oh
[18:55] <ctin> BluesKaj: thank you, i think i will reinstall kubuntu. Too much creepy shit i did last month :)
[18:55] <lordievader> apb1963: If you want to have multiple programs play sounds you need PA.
[18:55] <apb1963> lordievader: you mean simultaneously?
[18:57] <lordievader> apb1963: Yes, that. Say have a music player playing and a browser running some flash video or something.
[19:10] <apb1963> lordievader: right now I need to eliminate possible causes of this audio delay
[19:10] <lordievader> apb1963: I'm just mentioning it.
[19:11] <apb1963> lordievader: 'k.  thank you
[19:35] <apb1963> BluesKaj: so I'm more ready than I was before now.
[19:35] <apb1963> BluesKaj: FATAL: Module snd_ad1980 not found.
[19:37] <BluesKaj> apb1963, cat /proc/asound/cards
[19:38] <apb1963> and ya... hulu isn't working... nor is youtube.   hulu freezes after a little bit... youtube doesn't bring up the video
[19:38] <apb1963>  0 [ICH6           ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH6
[19:38] <apb1963>                       Intel ICH6 with AD1980 at irq 23
[19:39] <apb1963> dont' forget... I disabled pa
[19:39] <BluesKaj> have you rebooted ?
[19:39] <apb1963> no
[19:40] <BluesKaj> then do so
[19:41] <apb1963> ok
[19:57] <apb1963> BluesKaj: that seemed to do the trick... stuff is working again.  ty
[20:01] <BluesKaj> yeah, when pulse is disabled it sometimes unloads the the audio driver, ap
[20:01] <BluesKaj> apb1963,
[20:04] <apb1963> k
[20:04] <apb1963> though I haven't done the modprobe
[20:05] <BluesKaj> no need , it obviously loaded at startup
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