[00:14] has anybody been succesfull on porting ubuntu touch to cm-11.0 based devices?? rsalveti [00:15] annerajb: working on it [00:16] annerajb: ping me back next week :-) [00:16] rsalveti, any pointers to which branches is it being worked on and for what devices so i can help or learn? [00:16] annerajb: the core porting is still local, want to get at least one image working before getting that somewhere [00:16] but basically doing a rebase of our current patchset and doing some additional changes [00:17] hmm ok ill stop what i am doing them so i don't spend a week going crazy :P [00:17] rsalveti, thx [00:17] haha, no worries [00:17] * rsalveti dinner === duflu_ is now known as duflu [02:11] beuno: starts early Feb [02:19] https://i.imgur.com/RzyPiV3.png , yet afterwards my nexus 4 (mako) boots fine into cwm-ubuntu recovery. any way to get it to either ignore that, or to (myself/get-it-to) do the stuff that it does afterward? [02:35] Oh. It's just python. I can probably pluck out what I need. [02:36] beuno: starts early Feb [02:36] Or can I... [02:36] Bah. I'm too lazy. === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [03:00] I think I might know the problem... [03:20] GAAH. [03:30] apparently this is a hardware problem -.- === vying is now known as Guest97625 [03:40] I hope this script that's I found works... [03:44] ...It's working... [03:49] Riiiight. Seems to work... except for the touch screen. [03:49] Or any buttons at all. [03:50] In fact, it seems frozen. [03:50] Well, it's better than Vista. [03:52] IT WORKED! [03:52] Your silence was awesome! THANKS! [03:56] Right... there's only QWERTY? [03:59] egrep_: I don't know; possibly at the moment. [03:59] :( [04:00] At least I have Ubuntu! [04:00] Hurrah! [04:01] I wonder if it's possible to create my own keyboard... [04:01] ...but I'll figure out later. [04:01] Probably is. [04:02] Shouldn't be too hard; it probably requires nothing more difficult than editing a text file somewhere. [04:05] Yeah. [04:05] So far, it's pretty awesome. [04:06] Do you know if the recent apps are still running when I go to the home screen, or if they close? [04:07] Neither; they get stopped, then (possibly) killed in such a way as they restart at their previous point. [04:07] Except for baked-in apps; we don't yet have the lifecycle + multitasking APIs fleshed out. [04:09] Huh. === ricardodrosales is now known as ricdros [04:45] chriscoulson not online anymore :( [05:34] is ubuntu sdk installable in ubuntu 12.04? [05:39] hello [05:40] not able to install ubuntu sdk in Ubuntu 12.04.. I would like to develop applications for Ubuntu moblie. please help with installation [06:48] robru: FYI, I manually uploaded https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autopilot-gtk/1.4+14.04.20140107-0ubuntu2 [06:49] second time I had to do it, it seems the daily-release PPA has an xpathselect stuck in it which never gets released [06:49] robru: thanks for landing ap-gtk === Guest93739 is now known as Kyle [07:42] pitti, hummm, maybe there should be a landing ask for xpathselect? not familiar with that component. [07:43] it's a library for autopilot (and not much else) [07:43] I suppose trunk finds its way automatically into the PPA, but then it never gets released [07:43] but packages get build against PPA libs and then binary-copied into ubuntu [07:44] pitti, yes, the current scenario of 'manual publishing mode' results in everything built in the PPA frequently, but only released to distro when asked for. makes the PPA a real mess. [07:44] right, and apparently we don't have an installability/dependency check there [07:44] supposedly it doesn't happen too often [07:44] pitti, well apparently it got held up in -proposed, so I guess there was some kind of check. [07:45] right, in britney (and after failing its and shotwell's autopkgtest) [07:45] the no-change upload fixed it, so no actual harm done [07:45] I was just wondering why xpathselect isn't being released [07:45] pitti, well, nobody told me to release it ;-) [07:47] now, I'm not really familiar with the release bureaucracy behind it, but if it helps I can add something to the landing spreadsheet [07:47] * pitti does [07:48] pitti, well do you know who develops xpathselect? make sure upstream is ready for a release. would be bad if trunk was not releasable and we made a release... [07:49] done [07:49] robru: it's thomi [07:49] pitti, ok [07:49] robru: and yes, as all our tests and builds run against the PPA version it's fine to release; we also have an autopilot PPA with daily releases [07:49] pitti, oh ok [07:50] pitti, so if I do a release of xpathselect, will it require another no-change rebuild in distro? [07:50] no, should be fine; it doesn't break ABI [07:50] pitti, ah ok. I'll just release it then... [07:51] but building against a newer version causes a binary dependency to the newer version, so it's uninstallable agianst the older ubuntu lib [07:51] robru: cheers [07:51] pitti, ahhhhhh [07:52] pitti, ok, i hit the publish button. should hit proposed within half an hour. [07:52] nice, that avoids running into the same trap again on the next ap-gtk upload; thanks! [07:52] pitti, you're welcome ;-) [08:00] how is it going everyone? [08:00] i wanted to get info about Ubuntu? [08:00] anyooonne? [08:01] whois? [08:04] good morning [09:00] Hello everybody. Is Canonical team porting UT to Nuxus 5? === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === JamesTai1 is now known as JamesTait [09:40] xnox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6713891 [09:40] following your emulator email to the letter (I didn't install any pre-requisites) [09:52] popey: interesing. What's the output of: dpkg-query -W android-emulator xvfb xinit phablet-tools [09:52] popey: (my script hides it unfortunately) [09:52] well, I have installed android-emulator now. [09:53] popey: basically one needs those packages installed, but it takes time to pointlessly do it each time, hence the basic check like that. I guess it fails if you had some RC removed packages =/ [09:53] its possible I had it installed and removed it, certainly [09:54] xnox: also, ran "run-tests" and now I have an empty emulator window and a login prompt. [09:55] ahhh! its failing (partly) because I have a phone attached too [09:55] popey: patience [09:55] "more than one device and emulator" [09:55] because my phone is charging [09:55] popey: oh, yeah, i'm expecting one thing and one thing only =) [09:56] popey: disable adb / usb debugging on the phone. [09:56] its ubuntu touch [09:56] popey: i guess i could filter for "emulator-*" [09:56] that would help [10:00] Mirv, hey, did you see chrisccoulson's question about qt5.2 landing yesterday? (I didn't see you replying) [10:01] popey: sorry about that =) Filed a bug #1267044 will try to fix. [10:01] bug 1267044 in Juju Charms Collection "jemjem charm fails with a phone attached" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1267044 [10:01] np [10:01] a bug in a different place, but i have no bugtracker yet. [10:05] seb128: yes he wasn't online in the morning. so chrisccoulson see ubuntu-phone before Christmas for steps, and links inside the red box at https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjuCdq68GSyVdFI4QzNQdWpfME5aMEV2VXo0cUpOMkE#gid=19 - a lot of build failures need to be fixed, and then the image built with the PPA validated [10:06] Mirv, k [10:06] Mirv, thanks [10:06] about 80 source packages in addition to Qt itself need a rebuild, for about 55 of which I've done a LP build recipe [10:06] you're welcome [10:10] seb128: what sets silent-mode in gsettings? [10:10] Laney, nothing, mpt never provided us an UI to do that (I think he said he was assuming that it wouldn't be an UI thing but an hardware button) [10:10] correct [10:11] hmm [10:12] Laney, why? [10:13] I'm doing the AS stuff for the sound panel [10:13] which hardware button would that be ? [10:14] ogra_, I guess volume down when hitting 0 ? [10:14] vol down -1 ? [10:14] so it's not a boolean flag [10:14] Laney, it should, why? [10:14] it's volume == 0 [10:14] you will still want to have a switch to en/disable vibration in that mode [10:14] ogra_, vibration != silent mode I guess [10:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound#Phone like that? [10:15] seb128, i probably dont want vibration if i turn my phone to silent [10:15] Laney, I'm not convinced that volume = 0 is a right assumption [10:15] then there needs to be a control for it [10:15] ogra_, see the drawing on the wikipage Laney pointed [10:16] Laney, well, volume down can do the toggle when it hits 0 [10:16] Laney, then later we can maybe add stuff like "keep the power button pressed for 3 seconds" (what android is doing) [10:16] or an UI somewhere [10:17] Laney, I think it needs to be a bool flag, the fact that we don't have UIs atm to toggle the value doesn't change that [10:17] we might get some later [10:17] currently it does nothing [10:17] that needs to change or having the flag is useless [10:17] it displays the warning in the UI [10:17] nothing ever sets it [10:17] so you will never see the warning [10:17] right [10:18] but that's orthogonal [10:18] you are arguing that we should throw the backend away because we don't have an UI yet? [10:18] that seems backward, we are just ready for when we get the frontend part [10:19] we don't have kinectic/vibration support in the toolkit yet either [10:19] though that should land this week from what I read [10:19] (or maybe next) [10:19] there is no design for any explicit way of enabling silent mode [10:19] indeed mpt just said it was 'hardware' controlled [10:19] well, that's a design issue [10:20] it still makes sense to have the backend side and UI ready [10:20] it means you can enable silent mode from a command line atm [10:20] which is better than not at all [10:20] (omitting that it's not actually implement because the kinectic stuff didn't land yet) [10:21] so maybe indicator-sound could set this [10:21] (or something else) [10:22] are volumes and the silent state a global property? [10:23] mpt, do you envision silent-mode to be equivalent to "volume=0" or to me a bool state which is orthogonal to that? [10:24] seb128, orthogonal. Some sounds aren’t muted by Silent Mode (alarms, for example), and the volume setting would continue to control those. [10:24] Laney, ^ [10:24] so how do you enable silent mode then? [10:24] mpt, so you think we are going to get a physical "silent mode" button on the hardware then? [10:25] mpt, wouldn't it make sense to have an UI on the software side as well? (e.g android let you enable flight mode or silent mode when you press the power button for some seconds) [10:25] seb128, that’s my working assumption. Unfortunately Silent Mode is one of the things that was forgotten in the PRD, so there are no definite requirements for it. If it turns out that there isn’t a hardware button, I’ll add it to the menu. [10:30] mpt, just curious, is there any phone out there with a such button? [10:30] iphone [10:30] ^ [10:31] apple will probably have patented it :) [10:31] because a hardware button is a revolutionary new invention :P [10:32] oh, ok [10:32] my android phone only has power/up/down [10:33] yeah [10:33] an we dont plan for other hw buttons at all on the lower system level [10:39] I like silent mode when you put your phone face-down on a surface [10:40] still it would be handy if there is a way to make it silent in your pocket [10:59] Mirv, thanks. i'm waiting on the qt5.2 stack to properly test oxide on touch [10:59] is there any chance of me using the qt5.2 PPA for building oxide? :) [10:59] Morning all [11:00] davmor2, hey ... [11:00] davmor2, disabling swap is sadly not that easy since it happens from the initrd ... you would have to hack up the script to disable the swapon in there and re-build the initrd [11:01] ogra_: I'm not talking to you, fancy not being online hours after your EOD ;) [11:01] ogra_: ah [11:02] ogra_: so is this a case of making a separate build for testing before rolling it out to the general public then? [11:02] (and additionally remove the swap line from fstab) [11:02] no, i think we can test that manually [11:03] let me try to disable it here, then i can give instructions ... [11:03] need to upgrade to 118 first though [11:03] hmpf [11:03] no wifi on my maguro [11:04] ah, was just slow [11:11] chrisccoulson: sure, you can use it to build oxide most probably. because of the ABI breakage and resulting forced unity removal, I'd just suggest you do it inside chroot. apt-add-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta2 [11:14] davmor2, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6714261/ [11:14] hi all === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [11:15] ogra_: just slow hpfff welcome to my world @P [11:15] :P even [11:15] can anybody tell me, where can I see, what is the last QA passed 14.04 Touch? [11:15] ogra_: I'll give it go for the day then and let you know what dies :) [11:15] what is the build number and date, I mean [11:16] atya, http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/ [11:17] ogra_, tnx [11:17] ogra_: I'm there trying to touch /userdata/.... and wondering why it wasn't working I hadn't done adb shell first, it's going to be a long day isn't it :D [11:18] asac, so testing maguro with swap disabled here ... opening 4 webapps works but after a few times switching between them two of them are dead [11:18] davmor2, ^ [11:18] try what you get (once you are there) [11:19] ogra_: yeah will do [11:20] Hi all. Am i the only one getting a crash with unity8 when scrolling through the music section? [11:21] works fine here [11:21] Laney, rvr: hey [11:21] pong! [11:21] self.assertThat(background, Equals(None)) [11:21] Laney, did you have issues with only one test for u-s-s autopilot on the device? [11:21] umm [11:21] Laney, or anything using the pointer? [11:21] that test fails because is not None === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [11:22] I think it was basically all of the storage tests at least === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [11:22] because it couldn't click on the item [11:22] Laney: Aha [11:23] Laney: Maybe the objects were renamed? [11:23] rvr, no, those works on desktop fine, the issue is only on the device [11:24] ogra_: I think I'm done is there a way to confirm there is no swap now, just run mount or something? [11:24] davmor2, free [11:24] the bottom lline should only show zeros [11:24] ogra_: yeap [11:24] perfick [11:24] :) [11:24] Yeah, indeed, it's on the device only [11:24] probably best if someone tries to run it so that they can see themselves [11:25] ogra_: osk seems slower [11:26] oh, havent tried osk [11:26] i definitelly have two of four screenshots blank though [11:26] and swiping trough the apps doesnt seem to work properly [11:27] (first one comes up, cant flick to others though) [11:27] ogra_: hmm what happens if I open the camera that used to slow the system to halt as it was :D [11:27] * ogra_ tries [11:28] works for me [11:28] i can even take pics [11:28] Laney: Ok, will try to check it as soon as my device comes from the death and get updated [11:28] nod, thanks [11:28] heh, but swiping it away to get back to the home screen is so delayed that i thought it hangs [11:29] ogra_: haha [11:29] and i definitely cant swipe through the running apps anymore [11:29] hangs on the first on [11:29] e [11:29] ogra_: yeap I got that [11:34] sforshee: ping [11:37] ogra_: I get a load of flashing from the camera app [11:38] yeah, i got that too, but only after taking the first pic [11:38] ogra_: not for me it was flashing like crazy before that [11:43] Mirv, oh, that's not really what I meant :) === _salem is now known as salem_ [11:43] i was actually asking if i could build it in that PPA ;) (i need an arm build, which already takes nearly a whole day on these builders) [11:44] i have another shared PPA for building on arm, but I'm not sure whether people would like me adding other random PPA's as a dependency [11:44] ogra_: I thought knocking swap on the head was meant to make the system faster or am I dreaming that is what was said === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [11:45] davmor2, i dont see how it would ... [11:45] ogra_: because it isn't off loading to swap all the time? [11:45] it has a very low swappiness, it will only offload stuff you dont read/write a lot anyway [11:46] so you shouldnt even notice [11:46] chrisccoulson: is that lp:oxide? [11:47] chrisccoulson, use canonical-arm-dev, it is native and will be 10x faster [11:47] iirc you are a member there [11:48] chrisccoulson: I now created a recipe to building into that PPA from lp:oxide [11:48] I don't mind having the PPA even not-yet-in-use sources that need to eventually build against Qt 5.2 [11:49] chrisccoulson: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+recipe/daily-qt52-oxide - accessible whenever Launchpad feels like not giving a timeout [11:50] pitti, https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/qtubuntu-sensors/cmake-setup-take-2 [11:50] chrisccoulson: right, a debian/ directory would help in getting it built, so please use another PPA until you have packaging [11:50] but it'll auto-build when it's there [11:52] ogra_, i need to build it against the qt5.2 stack [11:52] Mirv, ah, the recipe won't work, as it's missing the chromium checkout ;) [11:53] cant you set up the qt5.2 ppa as a dependency ? i thought LP had an option for that [11:53] ogra_, i can, if people don't mind me doing that [11:53] well, disable it later again :) [11:53] i doubt anyone minds if thats a temporary thing [11:53] heh, i guess i could do that. as long as other users of it are happy for me to do that, then i'll do it :) [11:54] tell them to complain to me if they feel like complaining ;) [11:55] tvoss: \o/ did you get your cleanups branch merged? (that was a prerequisite, right?) [11:56] pitti, one of it, yes [11:56] pitti, other one is proposed, too === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [12:00] ogra_: hmm. not sure who would really understand why disabling swap has bad impact [12:00] i am sure we still have free mem when you see those issues? [12:00] * ogra_ checks [12:01] yep [12:01] ogra_: maybe kernel team might understand what exact effects disabling swap has? [12:01] let me install htop, thats easier to read [12:01] right [12:01] * asac steps out for lunch [12:02] asac, well, i thought tvoss evaluated that when designing the whole system [12:02] apps also dont save their state, they just die and start afresh ... i thought the platform api was supposed to make sure they start where they stopped [12:02] ogra_, its up to the app to save their state [12:03] tvoss, ugh [12:03] they receive a signal from the platform api [12:03] ogra_, we obviously don't store complete memory snapshots [12:03] tvoss, so that means when flicking through my apps with more than two open i always end up on their start page [12:03] i thought that was the design (saving whole mem snapshots) [12:03] ogra_: yeah, but since you said we see issues even though we are not out of memory makes me think [12:04] that there is some side effect of disabling swap [12:04] ogra_, of course not, we always argued against saving memory snapshots [12:04] i think the kernel frees up stuff (or tries to) [12:04] ogra_, we keep the apps in memory as long as possible [12:04] well, seems like sonething kills them randomly [12:04] ogra_, so we usually resurrect only a stopped process, not a killed one [12:04] ogra_, are we talking usual apps or webapps? [12:05] tvoss, both [12:05] ogra_, how can I easily reproduce the behavior you are seeing? [12:05] i currently have four webapps open though ... two of them (totally random which ones) die after i flicked through them via the right edge [12:06] ogra_ can you try with non-webapps, please? [12:06] tvoss, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6714261/ disable swap like this ... then just start apps and use the system for a while [12:06] (this is on maguro atm, since the low mem will most likely expose the issues earlier) [12:07] tvoss, why would it make a difference ? the webapps are just standalone qml apps too (just using a webview inside) [12:09] ogra_, @random killing: at some point, the OOM kicks in, the android one that is [12:09] ogra_, @webapps: we have seen "interesting" behavior with the web runtime before and I'm not sure all known issues have been fixed [12:09] dbarth, ^, can you shed some light here? [12:10] tvoss, well, i dont get any such issues with 6 webapps open when i use swap on the same device [12:10] without swap and only four of them two of them die reliably [12:12] ogra_, well, I would suspect the apps run out of memory ... and that an allocation just fails [12:12] ogra_, but that's only a wild guess [12:12] ogra_, how does it behave on the n4? [12:16] tvoss, no idea, its my main phone and i wont do hackery on it [12:17] i would test on grouper but Mir misbehaves there [12:17] and i guess running SF will get me different behavior [12:18] tvoss, htp shows me 170M free btw (which means really free memory) [12:18] *htop [12:19] and dmesg has no trace of OOM [12:19] logcat neither [12:20] hmm [12:20] stopping all open apps frees up 200M though [12:20] (4 webapps) [12:22] ogra_, tvoss: I have 5 non webapps open, (dialer, contacts, gallery, friends, messaging) the system is running so slow it is unreal but all 5 apps are still currently live [12:23] ogra_, webapps are quite resource intensive as they have a web runtime each [12:24] ogra_, and I wouldn't assume that they are very "no more memory" robust [12:24] davmor2, ack, slowness is "fine" [12:24] davmor2, 6 apps here, flicking through them five times or so now two thumbnails are empty .... and the swiping is stuck [12:25] i can go back to the shell but cant flick through them [12:25] ram is at the edge now [12:25] (about 50M free) [12:25] ogra_, is that with webapps? [12:25] no [12:26] thast with 6 native apps [12:26] same behavior [12:26] just later since they seem to eat lless ram [12:26] no OOM traces anywhere [12:27] there was a time, not so long ago, my desktop computer didn't even have 50M of ram :) [12:27] ogra_: yay killed top [12:27] tvoss, and that behavior didnt change for me since we talked about the same 6 months ago [12:27] ogra_, might be, do we have a bug open to log the issue? [12:27] nope [12:28] oh, wait ! [12:28] ogra_, would you mind filing one against unity-mir? [12:28] ogra_: don't forget that maguro has the bug with mir that means it randomly locks up if the frame buffer dies at any point [12:28] androids oom doesnt have "oom" in the log message anywhere [12:28] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6714553/ [12:31] oSoMoN: did we ever get to tweak our webkit settings for low memory profiles? [12:31] ogra_, this is not good, right? [ 165.347108] SysRq : Emergency Remount R/O [12:31] ogra_, yup, was just about to say that [12:31] oSoMoN: i remember this being discussed, just not sure if we did it [12:31] sergiusens, argh ... [12:31] sergiusens, sounds like a filesystem error [12:31] ogra_, finally joined the bandwagon and bought a Nexus 4... [12:31] oSoMoN: see discussion about no-swap above [12:32] sergiusens, heh and already hit issues ? [12:32] ogra_, I tried bootstrapping over the OS it had; I think it would be fine if I factory over it instead of the stock OS it came with [12:32] ogra_, yeah, today I saw on the back of it: Made in Argentina `:-P [12:32] that could be it [12:32] :-D [12:34] asac, no, we never did [12:34] reading the backlog now [12:34] oSoMoN: but we know what to do, right? [12:35] tvoss, bug 1267092 [12:35] bug 1267092 in unity-mir (Ubuntu) "apps die randomly when the system hits 100% RAM usage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1267092 [12:35] asac, tvoss no swap? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6714588/ [12:35] sergiusens, lol [12:36] we do have a swap file created it seems [12:36] sergiusens, we do [12:36] sergiusens: right. thats the point [12:36] we want to kill that [12:36] sergiusens, but we want to disable it asap [12:36] but first need ot make sure it still works fine ... which it doesnt [12:36] ah; then nvm! [12:36] its fine if it doesnt work perfect as long as we have ideas and hopes that we can fix it :) [12:37] it didn't 12 months ago either [12:37] yeah [12:37] as i mentioned in the bug [12:38] asac, not specifically, we know where to look for stuff to tweak, but I don’t think we ever tested those options [12:38] in fact the bug desxcription is wrong ... i dont actually hit 100% [12:38] oSoMoN: right. what are those tweaks? [12:38] * ogra_ wonders if those tweaks have to happen on webkit level ... [12:38] oSoMoN: does webkit even implement memorypressurehandlerlinux.cpp? [12:38] that might cause issues for deskrtop [12:38] in a reasonable manner? [12:39] https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123532 [12:39] bugs.webkit.org bug 123532 in WebKit Gtk "Implement MemoryPressureHandler for Linux system" [Normal,New] [12:39] seems its not implemented [12:39] probably could be ripped out of androids webkit? [12:39] though i think we have a general problam with the "keep apps alive even if they dont run" setup [12:39] well. we dont see thos issues [12:39] until we kill swap [12:39] right [12:39] ogra_, I think we are not aggressive enough in killing apps [12:40] just want to check if webkit work is possible in reasonable time [12:40] seems there are some patches for memory pressure available [12:40] tvoss, i think apps that are really dead should not have a thumbnail as a first step :) [12:40] without that it clearly makes sense that webkit isnt good at low memory [12:40] asac, I don’t know, I’d need to investigate [12:40] ogra_, well, talk to design ... [12:40] oSoMoN: i feel we would need at least something liek this: https://bug-123532-attachments.webkit.org/attachment.cgi?id=217871 [12:40] ogra_, and on top: why would a user have to care [12:40] and then we should start trying to fix the reason they die and put the thumbnail back [12:41] ogra_, they die because we run out of memory [12:41]