[00:00] <diddledan> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-TV2-Untethered-Jailbroken-JUST-the-same-as-the-ones-being-sold-at-289-/111181670476?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Internet_TV_Media_Streamers&hash=item19e2f1a84c
[00:00] <diddledan> a new current gen is at most 99£
[00:00] <diddledan> some retailers have it at 79£
[00:03] <diddledan> ok, now we're getting stupid: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRAND-NEW-Apple-TV-2nd-Generation-XBMC-Tethered-/161174152942?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Internet_TV_Media_Streamers&hash=item2586ba66ee
[00:04] <directhex> diddledan, i think the old ones are more moddable than the new ones?
[00:04] <diddledan> does that really justify the price difference tho?
[00:04] <diddledan> 99 new or used for 299
[00:04] <directhex> one is an appletv. one is a box that can run xbmc
[00:05] <diddledan> my rpi can run xbmc, and I didn't pay 299 for it
[00:10] <daftykins> diddledan: yeah no jailbreak on the new
[00:10] <daftykins> rpi is actually pretty rubbish with XBMC
[00:11] <daftykins> can't handle high-end skins, local db = slow, hardware performance kinda demands use of a receiver (for bitstreamed audio) to keep up
[00:11] <daftykins> at least from what i hear from being in the channels for XBMC :)
[00:45] <BigRedS> yeah, it's like whenever else you preted the pi is a PC
[00:45] <BigRedS> *pretend
[07:00] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:34] <MooDoo> just us again MartijnVdS  ;)
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> "The morning shift"
[07:36] <MooDoo> hehe
[07:38] <mapps> im here
[07:39] <mapps> il be signing off soon though. :)
[07:39] <MooDoo> hello then :D
[07:39] <mapps> yello!
[07:40] <Myrtti> meh
[07:41] <ali1234> who else got that "Need help to get a job" email?
[07:42] <MooDoo> Can't say I did
[07:42] <MooDoo> then again, I could of but just so used to deleting spam by skimming subjects I could of deleted it
[07:42] <ali1234> looks like he sent it to everyone who's email appears in a git commit in linux
[07:42] <ali1234> at least he used bcc
[07:43] <MooDoo> yeah people would of gone nuts if he hadn't
[07:43] <ali1234> it evaded gmail's spam filter... looks like a genuine misguided person
[07:44] <MooDoo> Ah he'll learn when people reply with WTF dude! ;)
[07:44] <MartijnVdS> nah people don't reply to spam.. do they?
[07:44] <ali1234> well i don't
[07:45]  * MartijnVdS fires up his VMs
[07:45] <MooDoo> no i don't but you never know, people give out their password and click links in emails without thining
[07:49] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: sure but *kernel devs*
[07:49] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: oh they are the worst ;)
[08:02] <maps> hmm gonna read up on BASH scripting today i think..anyone recommend any videos/tutorials besides tldp
[08:05] <MooDoo> http://linuxconfig.org/bash-scripting-tutorial
[08:05] <MooDoo> or from ubuntu https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/BashScripting
[08:06] <dwatkins> maps: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/ and http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ are really useful, too
[08:06] <MooDoo> besides tldp
[08:06] <MooDoo> ;)
[08:06] <diplo> Morning all
[08:06] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[08:08] <diplo> How are we all this not so wet morning
[08:09] <dwatkins> glad it's not wet :)
[08:09] <dwatkins> also, glad it's not cold like it appears to be in the US
[08:10] <MooDoo> work collegue is in NYC at the moment, waiting to board the plane home....
[08:10] <diplo> Not cancelled ?
[08:10] <MooDoo> diplo: not at the moment.
[08:10] <mapps> gah got cutoff
[08:10] <mapps> dunno if my message sent -  hmm gonna read up on BASH scripting today i think..anyone recommend any videos/tutorials besides tldp
[08:11] <MooDoo> mapps: I think just a generic google search will give you loads, they'll all help :D
[08:12] <mapps> ya i know there's loads just wondered if any specific ones..but ok:)
[08:13] <mapps> you know much bash scripting?
[08:13] <MooDoo> enough to get me by but I'd have to read up again lol
[08:17] <Myrtti> mapps: I started with O'Reilly pocket books, and followed up on tldp
[08:18] <knightwise> morning everyone :)
[08:18] <Myrtti> sed, grep and bash are good to read up on
[08:18] <dwatkins> mapps: here's what we said: http://hastebin.com/kehafijasu.xml
[08:19] <mapps> many thanks :)
[08:44] <ali1234> they should have called this game "joe danger 2: the loading screen"
[08:47] <ali1234> joystick doesn't work in runner2
[09:17] <ali1234> anybody know why a joomla site would return 500 instead of 404?
[09:18] <MooDoo> ali1234: what's in the logs?  script headers error?
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> because the PHP config is b0rken
[09:18] <ali1234> nothing
[09:18] <foobarry> what's happened to slashdot? keep finding interesting stories on there now
[09:18] <ali1234> as far as i can tell there are no logs
[09:18] <ali1234> even the error goes to access.log instead of error.log
[09:18] <ali1234> i didn't set up this site
[09:19] <MooDoo> ali1234: i had this yesterday and it turned out to be a corrupt table joomla_session in the DB
[09:19] <ali1234> hmm, thanks, i'll check that
[09:19] <ali1234> it does only happen for 404 pages though
[09:20] <MooDoo> ah
[09:20] <MooDoo> maybe not then
[09:21] <ali1234> this is causing company's google mini to think hat moved pages still exist
[09:21] <ali1234> so their search is showing all bad old links
[09:24] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:25] <foobarry> anyone read the news about redhat helping centos now?
[09:25] <SuperMatt> yeah
[09:25] <SuperMatt> quite interesting
[09:25] <SuperMatt> I think basically they want to help the centos team releasae centos 7 before oracle get a chance
[09:27] <foobarry> also, 80/20 rule. organisations using centos will probably have 20% on RHEL
[09:27] <SuperMatt> indeed
[09:27] <foobarry> we are discussing linux desktops and some people say that because we use RPM on server, we should use fedora on desktop :(
[09:27] <SuperMatt> so it may also be a tactic to try to convince more people to buy support from rhel, rather than go to oracle
[09:28] <SuperMatt> foobarry: that's not a terrible thing to say... it is quite logical
[09:28] <foobarry> i dont know any self respecting linux admin who would willingly give business to oracle
[09:28] <SuperMatt> but I think it should mostly come down to choice
[09:28] <foobarry> except fedora sucks, and and they have no LTS
[09:28] <foobarry> so you have to upgrade user desktops every 6 month...thats unthnkable
[09:28] <SuperMatt> there has got to people some people giving business to oracle, otherwise there wouldn't be an oracle linux, right?
[09:28] <bigcalm> What's the link to Oracle?
[09:29] <foobarry> so you then have to provide a lts type solution which is centos on desktop
[09:29] <SuperMatt> foobarry: a friend of mine is in that situation, so they only do every even numbered release
[09:29]  * bigcalm hasn't been paying attention :)
[09:29] <popey> oracle make a centos-like re-build of rhel
[09:29] <popey> and steal rhels lunch
[09:29] <foobarry> fedora support life is 9month
[09:29] <popey> i dont think this is anything to do with that though#
[09:29] <bashrc> nice
[09:29] <bigcalm> Oh Oracle owns centos?
[09:29] <popey> no
[09:30] <popey> oracle make a linux distro
[09:30] <popey> _like_ centos
[09:30] <bigcalm> Doh, sorry
[09:30] <popey> i.e. built from rhel
[09:30] <popey> it's more to do with rhel having their cloud lunch eaten by ubuntu
[09:30] <bigcalm> Hehe
[09:30] <popey> centos gives them the ability to "sell" a low/no cost distro to the cloud vendors
[09:30] <popey> and then upsell them to rhel
[09:31] <MooDoo> centos is built on rhel source which is built on fedora source :)
[09:31] <popey> no
[09:31] <foobarry> if anything is gonna make RHEL types consider ubuntu, its cloud lunch
[09:31] <popey> rhel is not built from fedora
[09:32] <MooDoo> i retract that as it was wrong
[09:32] <SuperMatt> but fedora is still, mostly, a testing ground for future rhel features
[09:32] <MooDoo> that's what I actually meant :)
[09:32] <popey> indeed
[09:32] <bashrc> isn't there supposed to be some relationship between fedora and rhel though?
[09:32] <foobarry> and fedora releases have "equivalence"
[09:32] <popey> there is a relationship, of course
[09:32] <foobarry> i.e. i equate fedora 13 with rhel 6.0
[09:32] <bashrc> have they diverged a lot?
[09:33] <JamesTai1> Good morning all! :-D
[09:33] <foobarry> bashrc: well, the bugs from drivers in fedora 13 make it into rhel6
[09:33] <SuperMatt> man, I think my rhcsa stops being valid this year :/
[09:33] <foobarry> SuperMatt: me too :(
[09:33] <SuperMatt> /o\
[09:33] <foobarry> with the release of RHEL7
[09:33] <foobarry> and i never took my vmware exam
[09:33] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: I was going to take it, but not going to now.
[09:34] <SuperMatt> I don't think it's that, I think the certification only lasts a certain period of time
[09:34] <foobarry> i still say i'm a RHCE
[09:34] <SuperMatt> I seem to remember it saying 2014 on my certificate
[09:34] <SuperMatt> I don't think you can when your certificate has run out
[09:35] <SuperMatt> though I guess I could say "I was certified rhcsa between 2011 and 2014"
[09:35] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: you'll be taking redcent exam next or centhat or something similar ;)
[09:37] <SuperMatt> well maybe
[09:37] <SuperMatt> I hope not :/
[09:37] <SuperMatt> I'm pretty certain I'm mostly going to be working on windows stuff
[09:37] <foobarry> you can say RHCSA for RHELv6
[09:37] <foobarry> or just say RHCSA cert number blah
[09:37] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: yeah me too, i'm doing my first mcp exam in feb
[09:38] <foobarry> anyone bought humble bundle yet?
[09:38] <foobarry> are there any good games in there?
[09:38] <SuperMatt> not bought it yet
[09:39] <foobarry> joe danger looks like it would be good fun on the wii
[09:42] <SuperMatt> oooh, I just checked my certificate
[09:42] <SuperMatt> it doesn't expire :D
[09:42] <bigcalm> Ever?
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> Bad CA ;)
[09:42] <SuperMatt> oh wait
[09:42] <SuperMatt> yes it does
[09:42] <SuperMatt> mine expires on the 4th Feb this year :(
[09:42] <SuperMatt> https://www.redhat.com/wapps/training/certification/verify.html?certNumber=110-003-845
[09:43] <SuperMatt> that just makes me sad :(
[09:48] <SuperMatt> You used to be able to "buy" a training course of shop.canonical.com. Why's that not happening any more?
[09:51] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: that ended years ago didn't it
[09:51] <SuperMatt> yeah, I think so
[09:51] <SuperMatt> I always thought it was a shame
[09:51] <SuperMatt> because I wanted to do it
[09:51] <foobarry> probably nobody else did
[09:52] <SuperMatt> that's probably true
[09:52] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: http://askubuntu.com/questions/166692/is-there-such-a-thing-as-a-ubuntu-certified-engineer
[09:54] <SuperMatt> so in other words, there's really no way to get a certificate
[09:56] <MooDoo> not on ubuntu specifically, might as well just to the LIPC
[09:56] <MooDoo> LPIC
[09:56] <SuperMatt> lpic?
[09:57] <MooDoo> http://www.lpi.org/linux-certifications/programs/lpic-1
[09:57] <popey> is that really worth doing?
[09:57] <MooDoo> linux professional institute SuperMatt
[09:57] <popey> experience > certificates IMO / IME
[09:57] <SuperMatt> ah cool
[09:57] <SuperMatt> sure, but certificates = cv booster
[09:57] <MooDoo> popey: depends if companies need to see a proficiancy in linux, it's nice to have it on paper
[09:58] <SuperMatt> especially because most recruitment places/hr departments don't know anything about linux, so they're just told to look out of things like rhcsa and lpic
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: the last few companies I've worked for just asked my frieds who already worked there, or trusted me when I said I knew my stuff
[09:58]  * awilkins is proud to have zero professional development certificates
[09:58] <popey> I am not convinced they do look for that.
[09:58] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: yeah most people aren't that bothered
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: if you're lying, they'll discover that soon enough
[09:58] <awilkins> I narrowly avoided getting some MCSEs and totally ruining my rep
[09:59] <SuperMatt> hahahaha
[09:59] <popey> i used to be a sap certified person
[09:59] <foobarry> rhce/rhcsa is an advantage for cndaditates when i'm hiring
[09:59] <MooDoo> awilkins: now you're just being silly :D
[09:59] <popey> many moons ago
[09:59] <MooDoo> lol
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: your 'geek cred'
[09:59] <awilkins> My old employer wanted me to get some so they could get cheapie MS software
[09:59] <MooDoo> I'm working on server 2012 exams now
[09:59] <awilkins> You had to employ at least one MCSE to qualify for it
[10:00]  * AlanBell will have to be OpenERP certified soon
[10:00] <MooDoo> AlanBell: I don't think you'd have a problem with that would you, seeing as you use it everyday?
[10:01] <zleap> is there a freenode admin anywhere someone seems to be spamming #lubuntu
[10:01] <AlanBell> dunno, it is a huge product MooDoo and a new exam
[10:01] <AlanBell> zleap: I can sort that
[10:02] <zleap> hes gone but he was just putting how to move mouse pointer with keyboard endlessly
[10:02] <zleap> AlanBell, if he comes back in i will let you know
[10:02] <AlanBell> sounds more like someone with a problem than spam exactly :)
[10:03] <ali1234> where does virtualmin store vhost configurations?
[10:03] <ali1234> this webserver is a mess
[10:03] <SuperMatt> I *love* it when I do a complicated sed find and replace, and it works first time :D
[10:04] <foobarry> zleap: there's a command to type to find out the channel oips
[10:04] <zleap> ok
[10:04] <MooDoo> ali1234: no /var/www/vhosts is it?
[10:04] <foobarry> i don't remember it though
[10:06] <zleap> ok
[10:06] <ali1234> MooDoo: no
[10:07] <ali1234> that is where it stores the httpdocs for the default vhost, by default
[10:07] <ali1234> but this server is not using default settings
[10:07] <MooDoo> ali1234: no not into the actual /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf then?
[10:07] <MooDoo> ali1234: clutching at straws :D
[10:08] <ali1234> hahaha
[10:08] <ali1234> yes it is just appending them to that file :/
[10:08] <ali1234> that's super bad
[10:10] <ali1234> hmm okay so there's nothing wrong with the php config or the vhost config. if php emitted any errors or warnings they would be logged. but it isn't.
[10:10] <ali1234> it just cheerfully returns 500 for no reason
[10:10] <MooDoo> yay :D
[10:17] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: did you send that form to canonical?
[10:17] <SuperMatt> not yet, I've been busy
[10:19] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: to follow up my Rackspace question from yesterday - what section have they put you in?
[10:19] <bigcalm> Wondering if you'll be answering my support tickets ;)
[10:20] <SuperMatt> I'm just listed at the moment as Linux Administrator Level 1
[10:20] <MooDoo> bigcalm: he may be, and fanatically :D
[10:21] <bigcalm> Hehe
[10:22] <bigcalm> I'd be worried about somebody who really is fanatical about everything they do
[10:22] <foobarry> fanatical about commuting
[10:23] <MooDoo> bigcalm: I just hope SuperMatt gets to use the slide between floors a lot :D
[10:24] <SuperMatt> I don't remember seeing a slide there
[10:24] <SuperMatt> Just checking some of the details, I get to hang a flag above my desk
[10:24] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: ah must be the americans then
[10:24] <SuperMatt> I'm thinking of picking a Gotham City flag
[10:25] <foobarry> i don't think i'm forbidden from hanging a flag above my desk
[10:25] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: don't you also have to be doing or have done RHCE to work there?
[10:25] <SuperMatt> uhm... they hired me without one
[10:25] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: ignore that
[10:26] <ali1234> someone somewhere typoed a link to this site, but the typo doesn't just 404 - it crashes the blob software
[10:27] <SuperMatt> oof
[10:28] <bigcalm> Where are nautilus shares kept? Not in /media that's for sure
[10:28] <foobarry> .gvfs ?
[10:28] <bigcalm> That doesn't exist
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> ~/.gvfs ?
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> it should, on a desktop
[10:29] <bigcalm> That doesn't exist
[10:29] <foobarry> what do you actually mean by the question?
[10:29] <foobarry> :P
[10:29] <MooDoo> /run/user/<username>/gvfs
[10:30] <bigcalm> You can mount a network share without setting it up in /etc/fstab
[10:30] <bigcalm> I would like to access that location from the CLI
[10:30] <foobarry> type mount to see whats mounted?
[10:31] <bigcalm> foobarry: I see it, ta
[10:31] <bigcalm> MooDoo: that was close, it's the user id not the username, which confused me
[10:31] <bigcalm> Thanks all :)
[10:31] <MooDoo> :)
[10:32] <foobarry> where was in mounted btw
[10:32] <foobarry> *it
[10:32] <bigcalm> Means I can now run: /run/user/1000/gvfs/smb-share\:server\=proliant\,share\=torrents/PapoYo_linux_1389070953.sh
[10:32] <popey> gvfsd-fuse on /run/user/1000/gvfs type fuse.gvfsd-fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=alan)
[10:32] <foobarry> is that a new thing in later version?
[10:33] <popey> alan@deep-thought:/run/user/1000/gvfs$ ls
[10:33] <popey> mtp:host=%5Busb%3A001%2C021%5D
[10:33] <popey> smb-share:server=192.168.1.2,share=media,user=alan
[10:33] <popey> eww
[10:33] <bigcalm> :D
[10:33] <popey> "That's better"
[10:33] <popey> Said no-one, ever.
[10:34] <foobarry> is there a bug in launchpad for the broken drm in 4od etc?
[10:35] <popey> what broken drm?
[10:35] <foobarry> 4od used to work on ubuntu, now it doesn't
[10:36] <AlanBell> foobarry: I saw that, it looks more like a flash bug
[10:37] <popey> you used to have to install hal
[10:37] <popey> wonder if google play is broken too
[10:37] <foobarry> i have 12.04 with hal
[10:37] <foobarry> no worky
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> popey: google play music works fine for me
[10:37] <popey> yup, broken too
[10:37] <popey> no, movies
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> ah they don't do those here
[10:38]  * popey tries on 12.04
[10:38] <foobarry> forever spinny thing
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> yay drm :(
[10:39] <foobarry> hal                                       0.5.14-8
[10:39] <AlanBell> and link that takes you to http://www.channel4.com/4viewers/faq/name/digital-rights-3322/id/502974174 which takes you to http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager08.html which doesn't help
[10:41] <foobarry> kinda sucks if it doesn't work anymore
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> welcome to the wonderful world of DRM
[10:42] <foobarry> does this help? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/10/fixing-amazon-prime-streaming-drm-protected-flash-13-10
[10:42] <foobarry> or same probs
[10:42] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/a/333805/612
[10:42] <popey> try that
[10:43] <foobarry> on 12.04 too?
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> I'm still wondering why they would use *hal* for DRM stuff
[10:43] <popey> ah, hal missing
[10:44] <popey> bug 1048446
[10:44] <foobarry> WOW
[10:44] <foobarry> it works \.
[10:44] <foobarry> \i/
[10:44] <foobarry> well the ad does...
[10:44] <foobarry> i tell you for sure in 1 min
[10:46] <foobarry> yes. it works on1204. thanks. this needs to be publicised a bit more widely
[10:46] <foobarry> possibly removing .adobe was the cirtical bit
[10:47] <popey> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=786656#c3 is interesting
[10:47] <popey> (what they use hal for)
[10:47] <foobarry> Not being Adobe, I am not going to speculate on why the plugin is
[10:47] <foobarry> collecting this data (system serial numbers, drive serial numbers, drive
[10:47] <foobarry> sizes, potentially processor identification strings), or what it's doing
[10:48] <foobarry> with this data once it is collected. But that is what it's using HAL for
[10:48] <foobarry> :-|
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> Big OD4 is Watching You?
[10:48] <Laney> seems like the kind of thing you might want for DRM
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> Laney: .. if you want DRM like that in the first place.
[10:49] <popey> where "you" is "they"
[10:49] <foobarry> especially if channel4 put their stuff on youtube anyway :SD
[10:49] <popey> they dont put it all on youtube
[10:49] <foobarry> don't put it all on 4od either :(
[10:52] <bigcalm> Papo & Yo works nicely on my workstation. Should try it on my SteamOS machine someday
[10:52] <popey> blimey, not even adverts on 4od play smoothly
[10:53] <popey> surprising, usually the adverts are perfect, programmes stream badly
[10:53] <popey> yeah, programme works on 12.04 here too
[10:53] <popey> "This programme contains product placement"
[10:55] <foobarry> which one?
[10:55] <dwatkins> popey: what kind of player does 4od use?
[10:55] <popey> flash
[10:55] <foobarry> i ~which progr?
[10:56] <popey> 2 mins into the programme and the content hasn't started
[10:56] <popey> all intro so far
[10:56] <dwatkins> what flash version do you have, popey?
[10:56] <popey> taste
[10:56] <foobarry> i try not to watch product placement programmes
[10:56] <popey> whatever 12.04 comes with
[10:56] <popey> hah
[10:56] <foobarry> except i did watch james bond film
[10:56] <dwatkins> so the latest one downloaded by the flash-player-installer package or whatever it's called?
[10:57] <dwatkins> popey: I assume you're using Firefox
[10:57] <popey> chromium
[10:57] <dwatkins> ah yes, chromium is in the repos
[10:58] <davmor2> adamantium
[10:58] <davmor2> sorry were we not not shouting out random metals
[10:58] <popey> 11.2 r 202
[10:58] <foobarry> knocked a full cup of water over my desk
[10:58] <foobarry> fortunately the keyboard got in the way of the laptop
[10:58] <foobarry> and all my gonks
[10:58] <dwatkins> unobtanium
[10:58] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/washable-keyboard-k310
[10:59] <davmor2> foobarry: D'oh
[10:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> \o davmor2
[11:01] <diddledan> How do
[11:01] <diddledan> Bah @autocorrect
[11:01] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[11:01] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[11:04] <dwatkins> bah, 4od doesn't even start playing for me
[11:04] <dwatkins> perhaps because it thinks I'm in Ireland
[11:04] <diddledan> What you doing in Ireland?
[11:05] <bigcalm> proxy?
[11:06] <dwatkins> big network
[11:10] <dwatkins> our traffic routes through a different office
[11:11] <bigcalm> Shouldn't you be working instead of watching 4od? :P
[11:11] <diddledan> Oh Yes. Work. :-p
[11:14] <bigcalm> Says he who was "testing" Papo & Yo earlier
[11:15] <foobarry> touche
[11:16] <foobarry> popey, are all your updates up to date on 12.04?
[11:17] <foobarry> i noticed flashpugininstaller wants to update
[11:17] <foobarry> i should have tired a full dist-upgrade before the fix
[11:19] <ali1234> 4OD is borked for me
[11:19] <ali1234> it just spins forever
[11:21] <foobarry> ali1234: did you read the scrollback?
[11:21] <foobarry> the askubuntu link fixed it
[11:21] <ali1234> yeah?
[11:26] <AlanBell> worked for me too, I now have lots of adverts playing
[11:27] <AlanBell> and now I have Nigella eating food
[11:27] <popey> foobarry: i updated it yesterday
[11:28] <foobarry> nigella is everywhere :S
[11:29] <Laney> phwoar
[11:29] <Laney> if only
[11:29] <foobarry> :-|
[11:29] <diddledan> Really?!
[11:29] <foobarry> her marriage her that saatchi bloke seems utterly bizarre
[11:29] <diddledan> I don't think phwoar is warranted
[11:30] <foobarry> i'm married so i only have phwoar for my wife
[11:31] <bigcalm> ...
[11:31] <bigcalm> Is she reading your screen?
[11:31] <foobarry> nope
[11:31] <foobarry> but keeping the phwoar for my wife helps me have a healthy marriage
[11:52] <foobarry> £30 kobo?
[11:52]  * AlanBell has one
[11:52] <AlanBell> kobo mini, it is rather good
[11:54] <foobarry> touch is out of stock at £30 but the mini is £30
[11:55]  * popey hugs his nook
[11:55] <diplo> http://www.troyhunt.com/2014/01/scammer-identifies-viruses-in-brand-new.html
[11:55] <diplo> :)
[11:56] <foobarry> he said cheap nook, not cheap nookie
[11:57] <diplo> heh
[11:57] <diplo> Was following that guy on twitter, was tweeting stuff as it happened :)
[12:04] <popey> where's the 30 quid kobo?
[12:06] <AlanBell> popey: smiths
[12:06] <kvarley> Is it possible to do this with a hosts file? Say I have a server setup running a bunch of virtualhost sites and one is x.com. I want to be able to access x2.com and it actually load x.com on the server IP I specify.
[12:07] <kvarley> I can't simply do x.com x.x.x.x because then I won't be able to access the live x.com
[12:07] <AlanBell> it has touchscreen e-ink display and wifi and has a web browser that works fairly well considering
[12:08] <BigRedS> kvarley: you need the server to be in cahoots with you
[12:08] <BigRedS> since your browser will ask it for x2.com and it might not know what to do with that request
[12:08] <DJones> I've had a kobo touch since they came out, they do work well, the web browser isn't that good to be honest, its more of a alpha release browser rather than something meant to be used
[12:09] <BigRedS> you *could* set x2.com to resolve to localhost and have a webserver there configured to do the appropriate redirect; what's the actual problem you're trying to solve? Testing a dev site?
[12:09] <kvarley> BigRedS: I have access to the server. My problem is the client has a live site running on x.com and my own server is running the same url as a virtualhost. I need to be able to access both the original site and the new one
[12:09] <popey> http://www.whsmith.co.uk/products/kobo-mini-white-ereader/product/36144563
[12:09] <popey> that?
[12:09] <AlanBell> DJones: depends on what you want to do with it, if you want to write your own mini application specifically for it then it is great
[12:10] <kvarley> BigRedS: Granted  I could change my virtualhost to a different URL but I was trying to keep it realistic so I can just switch to live whenever via DNS. I think I'm probably best changing it to x.fakedomain ?
[12:10] <AlanBell> popey: yup
[12:10] <BigRedS> kvarley: yeah, that's tricky. The least inelegant solution I've found is to use dev.whatever.com for dev/staging. It's something that I'd expected there to be a browser plugin for by now
[12:10] <kvarley> BigRedS: Ok thanks just checking I wasn't missing an obvious solution haha :)
[12:10] <AlanBell> popey: mass storage device and you can drop epub files on it and other stuff if you want to read on it
[12:11] <DJones> popey: http://www.whsmith.co.uk/dept/kobo-ereaders/home#kobo-ereaders Normal Kobo Touch is £30 (same as the kobo mini), but out of stock, not really a surprise as its old/obsolete stock that was replaced about 4-5 months ago
[12:11] <popey> sounds very similar to my nook
[12:13] <AlanBell> probably is
[12:17] <daftykins> http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/12/absurd-creature-of-the-week-2/
[12:17] <daftykins> that thing is nasty
[12:19] <foobarry> the nook was £29 too wasn't it?
[12:20] <foobarry> my tablet takes too long to boot up and doesn't hold charge v well, so a cheapy cheap eink ereader would be good
[12:23] <foobarry> i appear to have pulled a whole rosemary bush out of my "rustic" foccacia roll
[12:24] <diddledan> \o/
[12:25] <diddledan> Well done foobarry
[12:25] <foobarry> why do i have to "mod" my sandwiches :(
[12:26] <diddledan> Because you're a geek?
[12:26] <foobarry> nah, just like things with less excess
[12:26] <foobarry> mr moderation
[12:31] <BigRedS> Is there some way to force a CD on login in openssh? chrooted sftp dumps the user in the chroot dir, to which they cannot write
[12:31] <BigRedS> so I'm hoping to automate their arriving in a subdir to which they can write
[12:32] <foobarry> what does /etc/passwd say?
[12:32] <BigRedS> ah yeah, I guess I just make their homedir be that subdir
[12:36] <foobarry> either that or put something in .bash_profile to change dir, but that makes it more difficult for the next admin to discover whats happened
[12:36] <nigelb> all those nigella pings.
[12:37] <nigelb> :P
[12:37] <daftykins> XD
[12:38] <jussi> oooh, that nigella cook person does some fantastic food :D
[12:40] <nigelb> jussi: thank you :P
[12:40] <jussi> nigelb: hehe, sorry :P
[12:40] <jussi> she does do a nice show though :P?
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> nigelb: you're nigel B, he was talking about nigel A
[12:40] <nigelb> hahahaha
[13:11]  * neuro glares at schwuk ...
[13:13] <schwuk> neuro?
[13:14] <neuro> thou hast unfollowed me on the twitters
[13:14] <schwuk> schwuk: I have?
[13:14] <neuro> apparently
[13:14] <neuro> :)
[13:15] <daftykins> that devil!
[13:15] <neuro> I NO RITE
[13:15] <neuro> schwuk: lol
[13:15] <foobarry> i gave up facebook and twitter this week
[13:15] <foobarry> to see how i'd do without it
[13:15] <neuro> schwuk: wasn't sure if it was deliberate or accidental
[13:16] <foobarry> so far it's been q difficult tbh
[13:16] <schwuk> neuro: it appears I had. You were clearly no longer relevant to my interests.
[13:16] <neuro> schwuk: and wasn't upset either way, just curious, especially if it was something i had said
[13:16] <neuro> schwuk: yeah, that happens
[13:16] <neuro> maybe i should just tweet "ubuntu" every so often
[13:17] <foobarry> can evince do markup in PDFs yet?
[13:17] <foobarry> highlights etc
[13:17] <neuro> foobarry: i look at friendface every day or so, but i go on chitter in fits and bursts every few days or every couple of weeks
[13:28] <jussi> anyone here into home automation/sensors?
[13:28] <jussi> found this, was really cool I thought: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ninja/ninja-sphere-next-generation-control-of-your-envir
[13:28] <jussi> also been looking at https://sen.se
[13:29] <daftykins> hmm i may be forced to get a new boiler soon and was hoping to tie that into some form of control
[13:30] <jussi> daftykins: 259 AUD isnt all that much in sterling
[13:30] <jussi> 140 pounds
[13:30] <jussi> and there was free shipping iirc...
[13:31] <dwatkins> daftykins: you might find this site interesting: http://www.briandorey.com/category/Raspberry-Pi-.aspx
[13:32] <daftykins> ty sir!
[13:33] <daftykins> i don't think the Vailant condensing boilers my local supplier does are controllable mind :/
[13:34] <SuperMatt> I thought you said mind controllable
[13:34] <SuperMatt> which would be a damn awesome boiler
[13:35] <daftykins> haha
[13:35] <daftykins> could probably have done with a comma that, yeah
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: most of those smart controllers just use the cables you normally use to attach the temperature dial thingy
[13:36] <SuperMatt> oh that's cool
[13:36] <daftykins> yeah, they sell a wireless control module with the one i might get though
[13:36] <daftykins> so it's all-change again i think
[13:37] <Azelphur> My internet is nice and functional this morning, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Jan/2014-01-08-133628_1043x659_scrot.png
[13:37] <Azelphur> gave up trying to complete that speed test, dialup yeeeeaaaaaa
[13:38] <SuperMatt> good lord
[13:38] <SuperMatt> you must really be suffering
[13:38] <daftykins> Azelphur: you just can't catch a break can you? D:
[13:38] <Azelphur> indeed xD
[13:38] <Azelphur> they say they are gonna fix it next week
[13:38] <SuperMatt> are you sure there isn't a box in your house somewhere seeding a lot of torrents?
[13:39] <daftykins> that wouldn't do that much damage!
[13:39] <daftykins> a week!?
[13:39] <jussi> daftykins: the nice thing about that kickstarter thing is it is planned to be open source software
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: maybe they put you on the children's internet? ;)
[13:39] <Azelphur> SuperMatt: yea, ISP has already confirmed they are getting a lot of complaints and it's caused by an overloaded node
[13:39] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: haha, maybe ;)
[13:40] <dwatkins> Azelphur: can you spend your days in a local coffee shop and bill them for the coffee?
[13:41] <Azelphur> I asked if they'd refund me for the month so I can get a 3g dongle, they said no
[13:41] <Azelphur> :<
[13:41] <dwatkins> "service not fit for use" is the phrase which springs to mind
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> that's not coffee though :)
[13:42] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: for you, I imagine that suggestion would have a whole different connotation ;)
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: nah, we have Starbucks here. And they don't sell weed 8-)
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: also something called "Coffee Company"
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> which seems similar
[13:43] <dwatkins> we don't even have a coffee shop near our office, just some dodgy looking trailers which sell burgers and pies
[13:44] <dwatkins> There's a Tesco, which has a little café, but it's a mile or two away.
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: do you work in the middle of a field?
[13:44] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: nearly
[13:45] <dwatkins> we're right next to the bypass, so there's cheap housing on one side, and a chicken farm on the other
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: "What's this incredible smell?"
[13:45] <dwatkins> yep, we get that when the wind's blowing the wrong way
[13:45] <dwatkins> there's also the recycling centre / rubbish tip...
[13:45]  * MartijnVdS is in the middle of Amsterdam
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> well, slightly to the west of the middle
[13:45] <dwatkins> we're about 5 miles from the centre
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> of Amsterdam?!
[13:46] <dwatkins> lol no
[13:55] <foobarry> kobo touch are back in stock
[13:55] <foobarry> tempted.
[13:55] <jussi> dwatkins: so you could say you are "a little off centre" ? :P
[13:55] <SuperMatt> I've got a nook, which has a touch screen
[13:55] <SuperMatt> it's very good
[13:56] <dwatkins> jussi: aye, I'm a tad off-kilter
[13:58]  * dwatkins imagines SuperMatt sitting in a nook like this http://www.jimandellen.org/ellen/74Pallisers23Alicereadingwindowseat.jpg
[13:58] <jussi> dwatkins: :D
[13:58] <SuperMatt> how did you know about my dresses?
[13:58] <MooDoo> dwatkins: yes in that dress too ;)
[13:58] <dwatkins> sorry, I couldn't find a better picture of what I imagined
[13:59] <SuperMatt> well now my cross dressing is out there, I guess I don't need to hide my true self any more
[13:59] <dwatkins> I could tell you all about the night I wore a little black dress, but it was only once.
[13:59] <MooDoo> what about - http://content.artofmanliness.com/uploads/2009/10/manchairpipe.png SuperMary
[14:00] <SuperMary> look, I've outed myself now
[14:01] <SuperMary> there's no going back in
[14:01] <dwatkins> once you pop, you can't stop
[14:01] <SuperMary> I wish I had small, girly hands, so I could reach the bottom of a pringle can without having to tip it up
[14:02] <SuperMary> there's always detritus at the bottom which gets all over your best peticoat
[14:02] <MooDoo> SuperMary: you go sista!
[14:03] <SuperMary> Where am I going?
[14:03] <jussi> in other news, Thomas Hitzlsberger came out.... only the 4th professional footballer to do so
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> SuperMary: Up?
[14:04] <SuperMary> good answer
[14:04] <SuperMatt> jussi: that's some good news
[14:04] <foobarry> came out of the dressing room?
[14:05] <jussi> http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25628806
[14:05] <SuperMatt> I don't know if lack of out football players is low because of fear, or low because I don't know any gay guys that like football
[14:05] <foobarry> or maybe they prefer to talk about football
[14:05] <MooDoo> I really don't think that's news, does any one really care?  he's a footy player, will it make a difference to his playing...no
[14:05] <SuperMatt> I think it's important for it to be mentioned
[14:06] <MooDoo> I don't think so...but that's just me
[14:06] <SuperMatt> there will be a time when everyone considers it normal, but that time isn't yet
[14:06] <foobarry> anyone had experience stripping drm from kobo books? and what formats does it support?
[14:06] <SuperMatt> so we have to make it news so that the bigots can finally get the picture
[14:06] <Seeker`> Someones sexual preference doesn't make any difference to anything ever
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: well there's the fictional team with the 2 married (to each other) strikers: http://www.youtube.com/hankgames
[14:06] <MooDoo> Seeker`: +1
[14:07]  * directhex smells privilege
[14:07] <directhex> it's easy to say it doesn't matter if the issue has never affected you personally
[14:07] <directhex> but for a closeted teenager, gay role models are important
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> directhex: you agree it *shouldn't* matter though right?
[14:07] <directhex> MartijnVdS, well, duh
[14:07] <foobarry> normal = the usual condition
[14:07] <Seeker`> directhex: it doesn't matter whether a footballer is gay or not.
[14:07] <foobarry> by definition, normal = heterosexual
[14:07] <foobarry> but i know what you are saying
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: uh?
[14:08] <directhex> Seeker`, it matters if you feel alienated by being different. "look at all these real men, none of them are gay" etc
[14:09] <foobarry> if i was gay i'd be more annoyed at the media overpromoting the camp gay guy over a more normal bloke
[14:09] <Myrtti> the point is you're not
[14:10] <Seeker`> directhex: I just don't think it should be news that someone is gay
[14:10] <Myrtti> and personally I wouldn't be able to say what I would or wouldn't think or do if I were
[14:10] <MooDoo> agreed
[14:10] <foobarry> Myrtti: i mean over a more normal gay guy
[14:11] <MooDoo> so any who, when you start your new job SuperMatt ?
[14:12] <SuperMatt> 20th
[14:12] <MooDoo> let me know how AWESOME it is :D
[14:12] <SuperMatt> I shall
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> AWE32some
[14:12] <MooDoo> woohoo
[14:12] <SuperMatt> I've been reading some docs today and it's seeming more awesome each time
[14:12] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: 32?  that all, shouldn't it be at least 64?
[14:12]  * Seeker` realised how little his family know about computers when they started saying he now works for "linux"
[14:13] <SuperMatt> I was gonna say I was looking forward to dressing down, but I already dress down
[14:13] <Seeker`> err, when they said my cousin now works for "linux"
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: I had an AWE64, it didn't even come with enough memory!
[14:13]  * Seeker` managed to miss out some words there
[14:13] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: ah understand now
[14:13] <foobarry> in answer to my qusetion, kobo supports Books: EPUB, PDF and MOBI
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: so that's all popular formats (mobi = kindle, I think)
[14:14] <foobarry> isn't amz kindle?
[14:14] <foobarry> drm removal req'd first
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: deep down inside it's mobi :)
[14:14] <foobarry> so..will i always be able to remove drm from kindle?
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> had the whole DRM discussion last night.. a family member had bought a kindle and wanted to move over her iBooks (apple) books
[14:15] <bashrc> I doubt it
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: as long as people hack kindles, they can figure out the DRM scheme and undo it.. it has to be decrypted for presentation anyway
[14:16] <foobarry> everytime i upgrade my OS i need to faff around trying to get calibre working with the drm removal etc
[14:16] <foobarry> its a pain
[14:16] <awilkins> ^^ this
[14:16] <awilkins> There are always periods where the DRM removal doesn't work
[14:16] <awilkins> Because it's catching up
[14:17] <awilkins> It's almost put me off buying books and having them delivered via the wifi because the OS upgrades come that way too
[14:17] <foobarry> next question...
[14:18] <foobarry> do they dispaly pdf natively or need to convert them? and does it suck?
[14:18] <awilkins> Kindle does show PDF and it does suck a bit
[14:18] <awilkins> Because PDF is designed to lay out for a page
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: from what I've seen, they do it natively but (a) slow and (b) most PDFs don't have the required hints for text reflowing
[14:18] <awilkins> And an ereader screen works best when you can reflow the text
[14:18] <directhex> don't try to read comic book pdfs on an e-reader
[14:20] <daftykins> i was trying to put an epub into a folder for the amazon kindle app to read under android last night, i could've sworn i'd done it before
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: the app might well support it. The devices don't.
[14:21] <daftykins> i can't tell now, i thought i had one or two on-device in a Kindle folder, but they're gone now
[14:21] <daftykins> can't even be sure if i really did use them or i'd bought them O_O
[14:24] <knightwise> evenin everyone
[14:24] <daftykins> heya
[14:24] <daftykins> although afternoon, i don't want it to be that late so soon D:
[14:25] <daftykins> 1hr to disassemble a Sony laptop, re-do the thermal paste, dust out the cooler and reassemble \o/
[14:26] <knightwise> daftykins: ! cool :)
[14:27] <knightwise> daftykins: try Aldiko
[14:27] <knightwise> its a good reader
[14:27] <knightwise> for reading books and stuff under Android.
[14:27] <daftykins> yeah i ended up having to grab that :)
[14:27] <knightwise> I use Aldiko and Calibre .. golden combp
[14:28] <daftykins> mmm i saw talk of conversion with Calibre
[14:28] <daftykins> this was a sort of 5 minute stab before sleep though :>
[14:28] <knightwise> daftykins: its a good app, I've been using it over the last couple of years
[14:29] <knightwise> if you use calibresync you can push rss epubs to your device and stuff
[14:29] <foobarry> kobo ordered
[14:30] <knightwise> cool
[14:32] <foobarry> measly 2% cashback via quido
[14:51] <AlanBell> time for my afternoon porridge
[15:01] <bigcalm> I wish it was time for my afternoon nap
[15:01] <bigcalm> I'd sneak one in if I wasn't going to the LUG tonight
[15:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: that's this evening over steak surely?
[15:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: steaks from there are behind me. I only have the pulled pork now :D
[15:02] <bigcalm> You equate to attending the LUG as having a nap?
[15:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: Noooooooo, but the look on your face after you've sccoffed says I want to be asleep now :)
[15:05] <bigcalm> Haha
[15:06] <bigcalm> I hope I have enough energy for badminton tomorrow evening
[15:06] <davmor2> bigcalm: why you been buying more pens?
[15:07] <bigcalm> o.O
[15:07] <bigcalm> No, but I did get around to buying proper footwear
[15:07] <davmor2> bigcalm: me somehow I missed the energy bit from your statement
[15:09] <ali1234> urgh someone is spamming this server with hack attempts and filling up the logs
[15:09] <ali1234> joomla!!!!!
[15:11] <diddledan__> ali1234: this is why real sysadmins don't watch logs :-p
[15:11] <ali1234> yeah i'm trying to track down a different problem and the logs are just this hack attempt over and over
[15:11] <diddledan__> unless it's filling up to such a degree that you're running out of space :-)
[15:11] <diddledan__> ergh
[15:11] <ali1234> it would be if not for log rotate
[15:11] <diddledan__> yeah I feel for you
[15:12] <diddledan__> my webserver logs are diagnosis-only
[15:12] <ali1234> basically we have 1 week of logs
[15:12] <diddledan__> I never look at them unless something goes wrong
[15:12] <ali1234> normally the log rotate would last like a year
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> but thanks to .xz those logs an be only 100kb ;)
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> only have to be*
[15:20] <foobarry> does logrotate support xz?
[15:21] <foobarry> if i rmember the config files say "compress"
[15:21] <foobarry> but i can't remember where the type is set
[15:24] <popey> i love that we use logrotate on the phone
[15:24] <popey> makes it feel like a proper geeky device
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> to rotate call logs? ;)
[15:27] <foobarry> i never know waht the heck android is doig, would be nice to have a phone i could troubleshoot properly
[15:28] <foobarry> and turn off logging etc to speed it up
[15:29] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: no there are a whole heap of upstart application logs etc
[16:25] <diplo> Anyone in here use replication software
[16:25] <SuperMatt> what kind of replication?
[16:25] <diplo> heh, was tring to get links before anyone replied
[16:25] <diplo> http://www.visionsolutions.com/Products/DT-Avail.aspx
[16:26] <SuperMatt> ah, I wouldn't know about windows stuff
[16:27] <diplo> http://www.quest.com/netvault/
[16:27] <diplo> Nah on linux machines
[16:27] <diplo> http://www.quest.com/netvault/
[16:27] <foobarry> eye strain from staring at vmware pages all day :(
[16:27] <diplo> Basically the customer is currently using the latter one, but my boss wants me to install the first one
[16:28] <diplo> And I was wondering ( can't find any answers via google ) whether there would be any conflicts on a linux box if they are both trying to replicate
[16:35] <SuperMatt> I have no idea
[16:36] <diplo> Me either :)
[16:37] <SuperMatt> As long as they're not replicating at the same time, I can't see it being much harm
[16:37] <SuperMatt> but then you're potentially doubling your downtime
[16:38] <diplo> Its replicated at block level, does it live
[16:38] <SuperMatt> hurm
[16:39] <SuperMatt> sounds like if you're running two at once, you're just adding extra overheard to your server
[16:39] <SuperMatt> *overhead
[16:39] <diplo> Yeah can't think of it causing an issue unless some sort of kernel issue running two of these types of applications at the same tiem
[16:40] <SuperMatt> Why not just drbd?
[16:40] <diplo> Or having two installed more to the point
[16:40] <diplo> Never tried it
[16:41] <diplo> I've barely ever touched this type of software before, basically we got a tes tlicense last year, I set it up on two vms, sync'd explained how to set it up and haven't seen it since
[16:41] <diplo> And now they want me to install it on a customers site and I'm not sure I want to break it :D
[16:42] <daftykins> diplo: ouch!
[16:42] <diplo> This is what my place is like unfortunately, no hardware/software really to test with
[16:42] <diplo> I like the looks of DRBD though
[16:44] <diplo> I'm supposed to be a software dev now ( supposedly! ) but anything more than config changes I get to do
[16:45] <daftykins> ...are?
[16:46] <diplo> ? Basically we're a software company but offer support on anything IT related, except that apart from basics all the guys in the offices know is basic setup or stuff they've done before
[16:46] <diplo> I'd rather be back as sysadmin full time than what I do now
[16:48] <popey> hehe http://www.gizchina.com/2014/01/08/meizu-mx3-shows-ubuntu-certified-labelling/
[16:49] <diplo> looks like a lavel removed from a laptop or similar and stuck on it :D
[16:49] <diplo> label*
[16:49] <popey> yeah ☻
[16:58] <daftykins> XD
[16:59] <diddledan__> especially as the top-right corner is creased where they used their fingernails to remove it from said laptop
[17:01] <daftykins> ugh driver woes in Windows, who'd have thought... D:
[17:01] <diddledan__> wait, windows has issues?
[17:02] <diddledan__> what planet are you from?!
[17:07] <daftykins> a little known one
[17:07] <diddledan__> ork?
[17:07] <diddledan__> you name isn't mork by any chance?
[17:07] <daftykins> wait let me check for rainbow braces
[17:07] <daftykins> just a lovely clean install on a Sony laptop (:
[17:08] <diddledan__> my old sony loplop was a workhorse - gotta be over 10 years old now tho
[17:08] <diddledan__> pentium M
[17:08] <daftykins> :D
[17:08] <daftykins> quirky to install in Windows they are, as everything must go on in the right order
[17:08] <diddledan__> complete with centrino tech
[17:09] <daftykins> that was just marketing meaning intel 1) wifi card 2) chipset 3) processor
[17:09] <diddledan__> yup
[17:09] <daftykins> but a nice combo at that :D
[17:09] <diddledan__> just meant that all three were present and made by intel
[17:12] <daftykins> yip
[17:50] <daftykins> Queenie doesn't look too youthful on my neighbouring isles' money
[17:51] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qq4ywvl05rxnj04/IMG_20140108_174741.jpg
[17:51] <MooDoo> evening all
[17:51] <directhex> daftykins, she's 87
[17:53] <daftykins> yes, historically our money is hilariously out of date though
[17:53] <daftykins> hi MooDoo
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> get a new monarch more often
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> that keeps the money fresh :)
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> (though the "Willem-Alexander" euros still haven't been released yeat)
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> yet
[17:57] <shauno> I'd vote for a new monarch
[17:58] <shauno> not that there's anything wrong with this one, she just got a bit boring
[18:14] <MooDoo> shauno: we need harry as king :)
[18:29] <jussi> MooDoo: then you have legalised canabis, drinking, dressing up as dictators,  and other fuin...
[18:30] <jussi> how old is the old bird anyway?
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> 18:51 < directhex> daftykins, she's 87
[18:30] <jussi> ahh, the value of reading back more than a few lines
[18:31] <daftykins> ;)
[18:31] <jussi> have any of you got pounds with the King on them still? I would actually really like to have one of those...
[18:37] <daftykins> i don't even know what Guernsey used prior to decimalisation
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> jussi: my grandmother used to collect coins with the queen Wilhelmina on them (and that was when we had Beatrix, after Juliana)
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> jussi: she then divided those coins among her grandchildren at the end of the year
[18:39] <daftykins> did the kids try to eat them thinking they were chocolate?
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: no, because the coins weren't larger or anything
[18:41] <daftykins> size doesn't affect chocolate potential!
[18:46] <popey> Evening all
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[18:47] <daftykins> gentlemen *tips hat*
[18:47] <daftykins> i am keen to try out this Chinese place tonight
[18:47] <daftykins> i've not bought a Chinese since moving into this place, as i didn't know where they were
[18:47] <popey> \o/ chinese
[18:47] <popey> we had chinese last weekend, was yum
[18:47] <popey> not had any for a while
[18:47] <daftykins> 8D
[18:47] <popey> crispy duck nom nom
[18:48] <daftykins> i've never branched out especially far with Chinese
[18:48] <daftykins> i always get Chicken in Black Bean sauce with egg fried rice
[18:48] <popey> also, shredded chilli beef
[18:48] <popey> nom nom nom
[18:48] <popey> we usually get the same tbh
[18:48] <popey> also, lemon chicken
[18:48] <popey> also, king prawn noodles..
[18:48] <popey> oh god I have just eaten and now want chinese
[18:54] <daftykins> :D
[18:54]  * daftykins hides
[18:54] <daftykins> what *did* you have?
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: get some chinese green tea instead ;)
[18:58] <daftykins> hahar
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> http://thecodinglove.com/post/72681300803/how-i-picture-our-apps-users
[19:07] <daftykins> :D
[19:16] <Myrtti> BABBY MEERKAT!
[19:17] <daftykins> WHERE!?
[19:17] <Myrtti> apparently at home in UK
[19:17] <Myrtti> but
[19:19] <mapps> time to watch lone survivor;)
[19:19] <Myrtti> http://www.ebay.com/itm/131088791212 <-- BABBY MEERKAT
[19:19] <daftykins> :O
[19:19] <daftykins> in a onesie!
[19:20] <Myrtti> it's so KYYYYUUUTTE
[19:21] <daftykins> bid Myrtti! quick!
[19:21] <Myrtti> why, I already have one ;-)
[19:22] <Myrtti> well, we have one
[19:22] <daftykins> they can be twins!
[19:26] <ali1234> how is babby meerkat formed?
[19:27] <daftykins> to yahoo answers!
[19:29] <Myrtti> oh dear
[19:31] <daftykins> from another channel: http://www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> that link is broken here
[19:32] <daftykins> oh yes
[19:35] <Myrtti> apparently the Babby has a nappy underneath the babygro :-D
[20:05] <lazarus_> anybody know of any company's within the UK that sell the ubuntu laptop/desktop
[20:07] <Azelphur> dell sell some, http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd
[20:08] <lazarus_> dell makes me cringe
[20:08] <lazarus_> but
[20:08] <Azelphur> lazarus_: http://linuxpreloaded.com/ is a handy page, do ctrl+f for UK
[20:09] <Azelphur> seems to have quite the list
[20:35] <foobarry> had ti turn off the news.. too much duggan stuff
[22:42]  * AlanBell has been rooting a kobo :)
[22:52] <celesteh> i am trying to install ubuntu on my gf's lenovo from a dvd and i can't get the damn thing to boot off a dvd. any suggestions on how to get into the bios thingee?
[23:06] <shauno> kobo?
[23:07] <shauno> celesteh: I don't know myself, but there's comprehensive-looking list at http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/detail.page?LegacyDocID=YAST-3JWKJX  (short answer, if it has a blue button, it's that one)
[23:32] <celesteh> cheers, it's function-F12.