[00:00] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-TV2-Untethered-Jailbroken-JUST-the-same-as-the-ones-being-sold-at-289-/111181670476?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Internet_TV_Media_Streamers&hash=item19e2f1a84c [00:00] a new current gen is at most 99£ [00:00] some retailers have it at 79£ [00:03] ok, now we're getting stupid: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRAND-NEW-Apple-TV-2nd-Generation-XBMC-Tethered-/161174152942?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Internet_TV_Media_Streamers&hash=item2586ba66ee [00:04] diddledan, i think the old ones are more moddable than the new ones? [00:04] does that really justify the price difference tho? [00:04] 99 new or used for 299 [00:04] one is an appletv. one is a box that can run xbmc [00:05] my rpi can run xbmc, and I didn't pay 299 for it [00:10] diddledan: yeah no jailbreak on the new [00:10] rpi is actually pretty rubbish with XBMC [00:11] can't handle high-end skins, local db = slow, hardware performance kinda demands use of a receiver (for bitstreamed audio) to keep up [00:11] at least from what i hear from being in the channels for XBMC :) [00:45] yeah, it's like whenever else you preted the pi is a PC [00:45] *pretend [07:00] morning all [07:34] \o [07:34] just us again MartijnVdS ;) [07:35] "The morning shift" [07:36] hehe [07:38] im here [07:39] il be signing off soon though. :) [07:39] hello then :D [07:39] yello! [07:40] meh [07:41] who else got that "Need help to get a job" email? [07:42] Can't say I did [07:42] then again, I could of but just so used to deleting spam by skimming subjects I could of deleted it [07:42] looks like he sent it to everyone who's email appears in a git commit in linux [07:42] at least he used bcc [07:43] yeah people would of gone nuts if he hadn't [07:43] it evaded gmail's spam filter... looks like a genuine misguided person [07:44] Ah he'll learn when people reply with WTF dude! ;) [07:44] nah people don't reply to spam.. do they? [07:44] well i don't [07:45] * MartijnVdS fires up his VMs [07:45] no i don't but you never know, people give out their password and click links in emails without thining [07:49] MooDoo: sure but *kernel devs* [07:49] MartijnVdS: oh they are the worst ;) === map is now known as Guest5712 [08:02] hmm gonna read up on BASH scripting today i think..anyone recommend any videos/tutorials besides tldp [08:05] http://linuxconfig.org/bash-scripting-tutorial [08:05] or from ubuntu https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/BashScripting [08:06] maps: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/ and http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ are really useful, too [08:06] besides tldp [08:06] ;) [08:06] Morning all [08:06] morning diplo [08:08] How are we all this not so wet morning [08:09] glad it's not wet :) [08:09] also, glad it's not cold like it appears to be in the US [08:10] work collegue is in NYC at the moment, waiting to board the plane home.... [08:10] Not cancelled ? === maps is now known as mapps [08:10] diplo: not at the moment. [08:10] gah got cutoff [08:10] dunno if my message sent - hmm gonna read up on BASH scripting today i think..anyone recommend any videos/tutorials besides tldp [08:11] mapps: I think just a generic google search will give you loads, they'll all help :D [08:12] ya i know there's loads just wondered if any specific ones..but ok:) [08:13] you know much bash scripting? [08:13] enough to get me by but I'd have to read up again lol [08:17] mapps: I started with O'Reilly pocket books, and followed up on tldp [08:18] morning everyone :) [08:18] sed, grep and bash are good to read up on [08:18] mapps: here's what we said: http://hastebin.com/kehafijasu.xml [08:19] many thanks :) [08:44] they should have called this game "joe danger 2: the loading screen" [08:47] joystick doesn't work in runner2 === Monotoko_ is now known as Monotoko [09:17] anybody know why a joomla site would return 500 instead of 404? [09:18] ali1234: what's in the logs? script headers error? [09:18] because the PHP config is b0rken [09:18] nothing [09:18] what's happened to slashdot? keep finding interesting stories on there now [09:18] as far as i can tell there are no logs [09:18] even the error goes to access.log instead of error.log [09:18] i didn't set up this site [09:19] ali1234: i had this yesterday and it turned out to be a corrupt table joomla_session in the DB [09:19] hmm, thanks, i'll check that [09:19] it does only happen for 404 pages though [09:20] ah [09:20] maybe not then [09:21] this is causing company's google mini to think hat moved pages still exist [09:21] so their search is showing all bad old links [09:24] Good morning peeps :) [09:25] anyone read the news about redhat helping centos now? [09:25] yeah [09:25] quite interesting [09:25] I think basically they want to help the centos team releasae centos 7 before oracle get a chance [09:27] also, 80/20 rule. organisations using centos will probably have 20% on RHEL [09:27] indeed [09:27] we are discussing linux desktops and some people say that because we use RPM on server, we should use fedora on desktop :( [09:27] so it may also be a tactic to try to convince more people to buy support from rhel, rather than go to oracle [09:28] foobarry: that's not a terrible thing to say... it is quite logical [09:28] i dont know any self respecting linux admin who would willingly give business to oracle [09:28] but I think it should mostly come down to choice [09:28] except fedora sucks, and and they have no LTS [09:28] so you have to upgrade user desktops every 6 month...thats unthnkable [09:28] there has got to people some people giving business to oracle, otherwise there wouldn't be an oracle linux, right? [09:28] What's the link to Oracle? [09:29] so you then have to provide a lts type solution which is centos on desktop [09:29] foobarry: a friend of mine is in that situation, so they only do every even numbered release [09:29] * bigcalm hasn't been paying attention :) [09:29] oracle make a centos-like re-build of rhel [09:29] and steal rhels lunch [09:29] fedora support life is 9month [09:29] i dont think this is anything to do with that though# [09:29] nice [09:29] Oh Oracle owns centos? [09:29] no [09:30] oracle make a linux distro [09:30] _like_ centos [09:30] Doh, sorry [09:30] i.e. built from rhel [09:30] it's more to do with rhel having their cloud lunch eaten by ubuntu [09:30] Hehe [09:30] centos gives them the ability to "sell" a low/no cost distro to the cloud vendors [09:30] and then upsell them to rhel [09:31] centos is built on rhel source which is built on fedora source :) [09:31] no [09:31] if anything is gonna make RHEL types consider ubuntu, its cloud lunch [09:31] rhel is not built from fedora [09:32] i retract that as it was wrong [09:32] but fedora is still, mostly, a testing ground for future rhel features [09:32] that's what I actually meant :) [09:32] indeed [09:32] isn't there supposed to be some relationship between fedora and rhel though? [09:32] and fedora releases have "equivalence" [09:32] there is a relationship, of course [09:32] i.e. i equate fedora 13 with rhel 6.0 [09:32] have they diverged a lot? [09:33] Good morning all! :-D [09:33] bashrc: well, the bugs from drivers in fedora 13 make it into rhel6 [09:33] man, I think my rhcsa stops being valid this year :/ [09:33] SuperMatt: me too :( [09:33] /o\ [09:33] with the release of RHEL7 === JamesTai1 is now known as JamesTait [09:33] and i never took my vmware exam [09:33] SuperMatt: I was going to take it, but not going to now. [09:34] I don't think it's that, I think the certification only lasts a certain period of time [09:34] i still say i'm a RHCE [09:34] I seem to remember it saying 2014 on my certificate [09:34] I don't think you can when your certificate has run out [09:35] though I guess I could say "I was certified rhcsa between 2011 and 2014" [09:35] SuperMatt: you'll be taking redcent exam next or centhat or something similar ;) [09:37] well maybe [09:37] I hope not :/ [09:37] I'm pretty certain I'm mostly going to be working on windows stuff [09:37] you can say RHCSA for RHELv6 [09:37] or just say RHCSA cert number blah [09:37] SuperMatt: yeah me too, i'm doing my first mcp exam in feb [09:38] anyone bought humble bundle yet? [09:38] are there any good games in there? [09:38] not bought it yet [09:39] joe danger looks like it would be good fun on the wii [09:42] oooh, I just checked my certificate [09:42] it doesn't expire :D [09:42] Ever? [09:42] Bad CA ;) [09:42] oh wait [09:42] yes it does [09:42] mine expires on the 4th Feb this year :( [09:42] https://www.redhat.com/wapps/training/certification/verify.html?certNumber=110-003-845 [09:43] that just makes me sad :( [09:48] You used to be able to "buy" a training course of shop.canonical.com. Why's that not happening any more? [09:51] SuperMatt: that ended years ago didn't it [09:51] yeah, I think so [09:51] I always thought it was a shame [09:51] because I wanted to do it [09:51] probably nobody else did [09:52] that's probably true [09:52] SuperMatt: http://askubuntu.com/questions/166692/is-there-such-a-thing-as-a-ubuntu-certified-engineer [09:54] so in other words, there's really no way to get a certificate [09:56] not on ubuntu specifically, might as well just to the LIPC [09:56] LPIC [09:56] lpic? [09:57] http://www.lpi.org/linux-certifications/programs/lpic-1 [09:57] is that really worth doing? [09:57] linux professional institute SuperMatt [09:57] experience > certificates IMO / IME [09:57] ah cool [09:57] sure, but certificates = cv booster [09:57] popey: depends if companies need to see a proficiancy in linux, it's nice to have it on paper [09:58] especially because most recruitment places/hr departments don't know anything about linux, so they're just told to look out of things like rhcsa and lpic [09:58] MooDoo: the last few companies I've worked for just asked my frieds who already worked there, or trusted me when I said I knew my stuff [09:58] * awilkins is proud to have zero professional development certificates [09:58] I am not convinced they do look for that. [09:58] MartijnVdS: yeah most people aren't that bothered [09:58] MooDoo: if you're lying, they'll discover that soon enough [09:58] I narrowly avoided getting some MCSEs and totally ruining my rep [09:59] hahahaha [09:59] i used to be a sap certified person [09:59] rhce/rhcsa is an advantage for cndaditates when i'm hiring [09:59] awilkins: now you're just being silly :D [09:59] many moons ago [09:59] lol [09:59] awilkins: your 'geek cred' [09:59] My old employer wanted me to get some so they could get cheapie MS software [09:59] I'm working on server 2012 exams now [09:59] You had to employ at least one MCSE to qualify for it [10:00] * AlanBell will have to be OpenERP certified soon [10:00] AlanBell: I don't think you'd have a problem with that would you, seeing as you use it everyday? [10:01] is there a freenode admin anywhere someone seems to be spamming #lubuntu [10:01] dunno, it is a huge product MooDoo and a new exam [10:01] zleap: I can sort that [10:02] hes gone but he was just putting how to move mouse pointer with keyboard endlessly [10:02] AlanBell, if he comes back in i will let you know [10:02] sounds more like someone with a problem than spam exactly :) [10:03] where does virtualmin store vhost configurations? [10:03] this webserver is a mess [10:03] I *love* it when I do a complicated sed find and replace, and it works first time :D [10:04] zleap: there's a command to type to find out the channel oips [10:04] ok [10:04] ali1234: no /var/www/vhosts is it? [10:04] i don't remember it though [10:06] ok [10:06] MooDoo: no [10:07] that is where it stores the httpdocs for the default vhost, by default [10:07] but this server is not using default settings [10:07] ali1234: no not into the actual /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf then? [10:07] ali1234: clutching at straws :D [10:08] hahaha [10:08] yes it is just appending them to that file :/ [10:08] that's super bad [10:10] hmm okay so there's nothing wrong with the php config or the vhost config. if php emitted any errors or warnings they would be logged. but it isn't. [10:10] it just cheerfully returns 500 for no reason [10:10] yay :D [10:17] SuperMatt: did you send that form to canonical? [10:17] not yet, I've been busy [10:19] SuperMatt: to follow up my Rackspace question from yesterday - what section have they put you in? [10:19] Wondering if you'll be answering my support tickets ;) [10:20] I'm just listed at the moment as Linux Administrator Level 1 [10:20] bigcalm: he may be, and fanatically :D [10:21] Hehe [10:22] I'd be worried about somebody who really is fanatical about everything they do [10:22] fanatical about commuting [10:23] bigcalm: I just hope SuperMatt gets to use the slide between floors a lot :D [10:24] I don't remember seeing a slide there [10:24] Just checking some of the details, I get to hang a flag above my desk [10:24] SuperMatt: ah must be the americans then [10:24] I'm thinking of picking a Gotham City flag [10:25] i don't think i'm forbidden from hanging a flag above my desk [10:25] SuperMatt: don't you also have to be doing or have done RHCE to work there? [10:25] uhm... they hired me without one [10:25] SuperMatt: ignore that [10:26] someone somewhere typoed a link to this site, but the typo doesn't just 404 - it crashes the blob software [10:27] oof [10:28] Where are nautilus shares kept? Not in /media that's for sure [10:28] .gvfs ? [10:28] That doesn't exist [10:29] ~/.gvfs ? [10:29] it should, on a desktop [10:29] That doesn't exist [10:29] what do you actually mean by the question? [10:29] :P [10:29] /run/user//gvfs [10:30] You can mount a network share without setting it up in /etc/fstab [10:30] I would like to access that location from the CLI [10:30] type mount to see whats mounted? [10:31] foobarry: I see it, ta [10:31] MooDoo: that was close, it's the user id not the username, which confused me [10:31] Thanks all :) [10:31] :) [10:32] where was in mounted btw [10:32] *it [10:32] Means I can now run: /run/user/1000/gvfs/smb-share\:server\=proliant\,share\=torrents/PapoYo_linux_1389070953.sh [10:32] gvfsd-fuse on /run/user/1000/gvfs type fuse.gvfsd-fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=alan) [10:32] is that a new thing in later version? [10:33] alan@deep-thought:/run/user/1000/gvfs$ ls [10:33] mtp:host=%5Busb%3A001%2C021%5D [10:33] smb-share:server=192.168.1.2,share=media,user=alan [10:33] eww [10:33] :D [10:33] "That's better" [10:33] Said no-one, ever. [10:34] is there a bug in launchpad for the broken drm in 4od etc? [10:35] what broken drm? [10:35] 4od used to work on ubuntu, now it doesn't [10:36] foobarry: I saw that, it looks more like a flash bug [10:37] you used to have to install hal [10:37] wonder if google play is broken too [10:37] i have 12.04 with hal [10:37] no worky [10:37] popey: google play music works fine for me [10:37] yup, broken too [10:37] no, movies [10:37] ah they don't do those here [10:38] * popey tries on 12.04 [10:38] forever spinny thing [10:39] yay drm :( [10:39] hal 0.5.14-8 [10:39] and link that takes you to http://www.channel4.com/4viewers/faq/name/digital-rights-3322/id/502974174 which takes you to http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager08.html which doesn't help [10:41] kinda sucks if it doesn't work anymore [10:41] welcome to the wonderful world of DRM [10:42] does this help? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/10/fixing-amazon-prime-streaming-drm-protected-flash-13-10 [10:42] or same probs [10:42] http://askubuntu.com/a/333805/612 [10:42] try that [10:43] on 12.04 too? [10:43] I'm still wondering why they would use *hal* for DRM stuff [10:43] ah, hal missing [10:44] bug 1048446 [10:44] bug 1048446 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "Flash requires hal for video DRM" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1048446 [10:44] WOW [10:44] it works \. [10:44] \i/ [10:44] well the ad does... [10:44] i tell you for sure in 1 min [10:46] yes. it works on1204. thanks. this needs to be publicised a bit more widely [10:46] possibly removing .adobe was the cirtical bit [10:47] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=786656#c3 is interesting [10:47] bugzilla.redhat.com bug 786656 in hal "HAL needed for Adobe Flash Protected Content" [Unspecified,Closed: wontfix] [10:47] (what they use hal for) [10:47] Not being Adobe, I am not going to speculate on why the plugin is [10:47] collecting this data (system serial numbers, drive serial numbers, drive [10:47] sizes, potentially processor identification strings), or what it's doing [10:48] with this data once it is collected. But that is what it's using HAL for [10:48] :-| [10:48] Big OD4 is Watching You? [10:48] seems like the kind of thing you might want for DRM [10:48] Laney: .. if you want DRM like that in the first place. [10:49] where "you" is "they" [10:49] especially if channel4 put their stuff on youtube anyway :SD [10:49] they dont put it all on youtube [10:49] don't put it all on 4od either :( [10:52] Papo & Yo works nicely on my workstation. Should try it on my SteamOS machine someday [10:52] blimey, not even adverts on 4od play smoothly [10:53] surprising, usually the adverts are perfect, programmes stream badly [10:53] yeah, programme works on 12.04 here too [10:53] "This programme contains product placement" [10:55] which one? [10:55] popey: what kind of player does 4od use? [10:55] flash [10:55] i ~which progr? [10:56] 2 mins into the programme and the content hasn't started [10:56] all intro so far [10:56] what flash version do you have, popey? [10:56] taste [10:56] i try not to watch product placement programmes [10:56] whatever 12.04 comes with [10:56] hah [10:56] except i did watch james bond film [10:56] so the latest one downloaded by the flash-player-installer package or whatever it's called? [10:57] popey: I assume you're using Firefox [10:57] chromium [10:57] ah yes, chromium is in the repos [10:58] adamantium [10:58] sorry were we not not shouting out random metals [10:58] 11.2 r 202 [10:58] knocked a full cup of water over my desk [10:58] fortunately the keyboard got in the way of the laptop [10:58] and all my gonks [10:58] unobtanium [10:58] foobarry: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/washable-keyboard-k310 [10:59] foobarry: D'oh [10:59] Morning all [10:59] \o davmor2 [11:01] How do [11:01] Bah @autocorrect [11:01] morning davmor2 [11:01] Morning davmor2 [11:04] bah, 4od doesn't even start playing for me [11:04] perhaps because it thinks I'm in Ireland [11:04] What you doing in Ireland? [11:05] proxy? [11:06] big network [11:10] our traffic routes through a different office [11:11] Shouldn't you be working instead of watching 4od? :P [11:11] Oh Yes. Work. :-p [11:14] Says he who was "testing" Papo & Yo earlier [11:15] touche [11:16] popey, are all your updates up to date on 12.04? [11:17] i noticed flashpugininstaller wants to update [11:17] i should have tired a full dist-upgrade before the fix [11:19] 4OD is borked for me [11:19] it just spins forever [11:21] ali1234: did you read the scrollback? [11:21] the askubuntu link fixed it [11:21] yeah? [11:26] worked for me too, I now have lots of adverts playing [11:27] and now I have Nigella eating food [11:27] foobarry: i updated it yesterday [11:28] nigella is everywhere :S [11:29] phwoar [11:29] if only [11:29] :-| [11:29] Really?! [11:29] her marriage her that saatchi bloke seems utterly bizarre [11:29] I don't think phwoar is warranted [11:30] i'm married so i only have phwoar for my wife [11:31] ... [11:31] Is she reading your screen? [11:31] nope [11:31] but keeping the phwoar for my wife helps me have a healthy marriage [11:52] £30 kobo? [11:52] * AlanBell has one [11:52] kobo mini, it is rather good [11:54] touch is out of stock at £30 but the mini is £30 [11:55] * popey hugs his nook [11:55] http://www.troyhunt.com/2014/01/scammer-identifies-viruses-in-brand-new.html [11:55] :) [11:56] he said cheap nook, not cheap nookie [11:57] heh [11:57] Was following that guy on twitter, was tweeting stuff as it happened :) [12:04] where's the 30 quid kobo? [12:06] popey: smiths [12:06] Is it possible to do this with a hosts file? Say I have a server setup running a bunch of virtualhost sites and one is x.com. I want to be able to access x2.com and it actually load x.com on the server IP I specify. [12:07] I can't simply do x.com x.x.x.x because then I won't be able to access the live x.com [12:07] it has touchscreen e-ink display and wifi and has a web browser that works fairly well considering [12:08]